That Phenom II uses 30W more than the Core i5, so it'll cost you about $30 a year more to run, and be less upgradable.
Haha! Interesting way of looking at things.
I bought an AM2+ board and Athlon X2 way way back. 2008, I think it was. I upgraded to a Phenom II X4 925 about a month ago when I saw the ridiculous $109.99 launch price on NCIX. (Yes, I'm Canadian) It's now overclocked to 3.5ghz. What do I use it for? H.264 encoding (x264) and games. (TF2, L4D2, anything I can buy on steam)
Looking at these benchmarks... I'm getting just under half the performance of this flagship CPU, for about 11% the price. It's an impressive chip - probably great for companies rendering or encoding stuff 24/7, since it'll shine on power efficiency - but really not worth it to me. Another important consideration for rendering is how many hours it takes before you have something to show your client, which also doesn't apply to me.
I find the game benchmarks to be a laugh. I want to see the performance difference at MAX settings, too, because that's what I play at. In reality, this new chip probably only gives a 20% fps boost. Since I'm already at 60fps, there's not much point blowing money.
I would consider the Core i5 750, but it's $218.99 on sale on NCIX, so that's literally twice the cost for an equal amount of performance. (But more overclocking room, I imagine) I'd also have to buy a more expensive board... really not worth it. Regarding power consumption - I measured with my Kill-A-Watt. This Phenom II X4 at 3.5ghz consumes 105 watts when idle, and 135 watts when x264 encoding. I have a GTS 250 in my system, two WD black HDDs, a DVD burner, etc.; PSU is an efficient Corsair HX620. Even when gaming, it spits cool air out the back. It's really not that bad. It could be significantly worse than the Core i5, but I don't have one to compare. At the current rates in BC, leaving my PC on should only cost ~$48, so I'm betting the savings are more like $8/yr.
In case you missed my point, I call shenanigans on your post. AMD is clearly more upgradeable and cheaper.
It is the price you pay for getting the bleeding edge, AMD also has some halo models, but because they cant beat intel in performance, they cant afford to charge $1000 for their high end chips.
That's not the reason.
Even when AMD had the fastest chips, they were cheaper. AMD seems to charge less because Intel is a marketing behemoth.
Back around the time Intel released their P4 Extreme Edition chips, they were charging over $1000/cpu. AMD was charging a meagre $600-700 for their FX-55 which slaughtered it. And I picked up an Athlon XP for $80 around that time, which let me play all the new games.:P
Hehe... always go to the source when in doubt. Cheers!;)
Keep in mind that Java can have compressed references on 64bit systems. That might help memory usage and performance slightly, depending on what you're doing.
I was reading a mailing list years ago, and it had example code showing how to measure heap memory usage.
The irony was it was criticizing the JVM for using so many bytes for storing bytes and other small primitives.
Of course, when I compiled and ran it with Java SE 1.6, it didn't have the same behaviour.
The same mailing list pointed out that every integer type gets converted to int before being processed. Indeed, when including byte or short in a calculation, it is measurably slower than when using an int.
And finally, I tested the code with a barrage of objects. Some interesting findings...
Integer myInt = Integer.valueOf(1);
This is 0 bytes on the heap. Apparently many integers are pre-allocated. I can't remember if it's 0-255, or -127-127.
I seem to remember experimenting further with ArrayLists - I'm pretty sure ArrayLists boost their capacity by just 6 elements every time they fill up. I got massive performance increases with busy Arraylist objects by making wrapper classes that boosted the capacity by larger amounts, prematurely.
I remember talking to a friend working with C#, and he said it had more sane allocation sizes. (though he presented no proof of it)
P.S. If you want proof, I'll hunt for the code and/or mailing list and/or articles. They're probably on my NAS somewhere.
Any language will teach you the basics of whatever you're interested in, within its own capabilities.
I learned that binary stuff with Javascript. I wanted to encrypt some data, so I figured out Base64 encoding. (which is technically 6 bit, but whatever)
as well as rather memory inefficient, since you now have an overhead of a full-fledged Object (what is it in Sun JVM - 3 words per instance?) for every primitive that you have.
I don't know how much actual memory is consumed, but on the heap in Java SE 1.6, a byte is 1 byte, an int is 4 bytes, and an Integer object is 8 bytes.
Keep in mind that the translation algo is most suited for regular grammar. Not the gobbledeegook it outputs. Grammar -> Chinese gobbledeegook -> English gobbledeegook is a pretty decent translation.
Serious professional or not - anyone should be able to keep a thousand lines in their head, and write relatively bug free code around that. Maybe even 15000 lines without making mistakes.
But projects that a "serious professional" will be working on could be far far larger than that. Many people on slashdot have worked on projects having hundreds of thousands to millions of lines of code. Visualization skills be damned, if looking up code (which will have to be done constantly) is a PITA.
This should actually work remarkably well. Several years ago I wrote something similar, although much more primitive. I called them boxes, and it was for working with multiple HTML/css/js files at once. No syntax highlighting, and none of this advanced stuff - it was just a notepad replacement, since Windows lacked grid alignment for windows. I did add the option to open files by clicking on (for example) a script or link tag, and the ability to move/resize boxes freely, but that was it.
This thing is impressive. I've got a huge monitor, too - I'd love to try it once it matures and is available. Plus, now I'm more into Java than Javascript. This kind of layout suits me far more than Eclipse.
Well, I'm Canadian, and I deal with NCIX primarily, but...
1) A free T-Shirt 2) A $10 gift card 3) 2500 points redeemable for free shipping on any order.
Pick three.
Newegg has acceptable customer service. There are companies with incredible customer service. I remember NCIX mispriced some Atom boards when they were first released - $70 rather than $170. It was fixed within 20 minutes, but there were still ~30 very happy customers.:)
I have a Toyota Corolla station wagon (hatchback from the 80's) that does that, I think. There's a lot of Metric <-> Imperial conversions, but...
I took a trip around BC a while ago. Most of it was uphill or downhill driving. The price of gas pre litre was a bit under a dollar, filling up from empty cost around $30. I figure it has a ~35 litre tank, but someone that knows more about tank sizes could chime in.
On the highways - which included lots of mountain passes and stuff - I was getting about 500-550km on a tank. That's about 340 miles. Google says a 35 litre tank is 9.25 gallons, and 40 litres is 10.5 gallons.
So that gives a mpg for highway driving(~100km/hr, or slightly over) of 32-37mpg.
I remember my Uncle telling me stories of the diesel "Rabbit". It seems to me that while MPG has generally increased, engineers aren't quite as "awesome" as you proclaim them to be. Either that or the improvements started earlier than you think.
They had a chance before. Just like the rest of us, there is nothing to stop them from downloading as many browsers as they want.
Except lack of knowledge.
I have a chance to cure all my own illnesses too, but I tend to depend on more educated healthcare professionals.
Why do you need a prompt before you are able to load another browser? If what other people say here is true, there is still a bit of IE left on your computer even if you select one of the other options. The prompt really doesn't change much from what we can already do now.
1) I don't need a prompt. I'd still love it to be there.
2) That can be fixed with a bit of nLiting, but it would be foolish to do so when so much is rendered by the trident engine.
All in all, I'm glad that people are being given the choice. But, really, those of us who care about it, already had the means to do it; it's the fact that we're fucking upset that other people don't get pulled into using them...
Reaction: "What the hell is a browser? Choose? I just want to 'surf' the 'internet'.
Not everyone has tech-savvy friends educating them on how to "surf the internet" safely. Now they have a x/5 chance of getting a secure browser, where X is between 0 and 4. Now rather than having a default homepage that goes to some crappy news site pulling in ads from adservers, they have a chance their default homepage will be google.
Wine gets leaps and bounds better every year. PlayOnLinux also helps you easily get the latest versions of Wine. Ubuntu seems to have versions years out of date in their repository, depending on what version of the OS you use. No idea how out of date other distro's repos are.
BC2, though - I have to find their BC2 account first, add that as a BC2 friend, and then to join a game (or even just see if they are playing), I have to start BC2 first. Annoying!
Very annoying indeed! That was one of the major criticisms of the PS3. Each game having its own online service and friends system.
Poor form on their part.
Take a tip from me - never use the same email address and password for a game's account and your master Steam account. I trust Valve to keep my info safe - but I wouldn't trust a game developer or publisher. They're cocky bastards that spend less money on their programmers than they should. It only takes one storing your info plain-text, for you to lose 200+ games.
I'm more inclined to believe it to be incompetence rather than malice.
When multi-core rendering was added to the nVidia drivers, it was unstable on most games. Crashes, etc. unless disabled.
I suspect a similar thing is going on here.
But I fully acknowledge that nVidia has marketing deals with game developers. I just can't say what they actually cover. I doubt there's an actual conspiracy, based on their past prowess (or lack thereof) when it mattered with multi-core rendering and SLI. (multi-GPU)
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So Turbo Boost is Phenom power management + automated overclocking?
That Phenom II uses 30W more than the Core i5, so it'll cost you about $30 a year more to run, and be less upgradable.
Haha! Interesting way of looking at things.
I bought an AM2+ board and Athlon X2 way way back. 2008, I think it was. I upgraded to a Phenom II X4 925 about a month ago when I saw the ridiculous $109.99 launch price on NCIX. (Yes, I'm Canadian) It's now overclocked to 3.5ghz. What do I use it for? H.264 encoding (x264) and games. (TF2, L4D2, anything I can buy on steam)
Looking at these benchmarks... I'm getting just under half the performance of this flagship CPU, for about 11% the price. It's an impressive chip - probably great for companies rendering or encoding stuff 24/7, since it'll shine on power efficiency - but really not worth it to me. Another important consideration for rendering is how many hours it takes before you have something to show your client, which also doesn't apply to me.
I find the game benchmarks to be a laugh. I want to see the performance difference at MAX settings, too, because that's what I play at. In reality, this new chip probably only gives a 20% fps boost. Since I'm already at 60fps, there's not much point blowing money.
I would consider the Core i5 750, but it's $218.99 on sale on NCIX, so that's literally twice the cost for an equal amount of performance. (But more overclocking room, I imagine) I'd also have to buy a more expensive board... really not worth it. Regarding power consumption - I measured with my Kill-A-Watt. This Phenom II X4 at 3.5ghz consumes 105 watts when idle, and 135 watts when x264 encoding. I have a GTS 250 in my system, two WD black HDDs, a DVD burner, etc.; PSU is an efficient Corsair HX620. Even when gaming, it spits cool air out the back. It's really not that bad. It could be significantly worse than the Core i5, but I don't have one to compare. At the current rates in BC, leaving my PC on should only cost ~$48, so I'm betting the savings are more like $8/yr.
In case you missed my point, I call shenanigans on your post. AMD is clearly more upgradeable and cheaper.
It is the price you pay for getting the bleeding edge, AMD also has some halo models, but because they cant beat intel in performance, they cant afford to charge $1000 for their high end chips.
That's not the reason.
Even when AMD had the fastest chips, they were cheaper. AMD seems to charge less because Intel is a marketing behemoth.
Back around the time Intel released their P4 Extreme Edition chips, they were charging over $1000/cpu. AMD was charging a meagre $600-700 for their FX-55 which slaughtered it. And I picked up an Athlon XP for $80 around that time, which let me play all the new games. :P
Hehe... always go to the source when in doubt. Cheers! ;)
Keep in mind that Java can have compressed references on 64bit systems. That might help memory usage and performance slightly, depending on what you're doing.
I was reading a mailing list years ago, and it had example code showing how to measure heap memory usage.
The irony was it was criticizing the JVM for using so many bytes for storing bytes and other small primitives.
Of course, when I compiled and ran it with Java SE 1.6, it didn't have the same behaviour.
The same mailing list pointed out that every integer type gets converted to int before being processed. Indeed, when including byte or short in a calculation, it is measurably slower than when using an int.
And finally, I tested the code with a barrage of objects. Some interesting findings...
Integer myInt = Integer.valueOf(1);
This is 0 bytes on the heap. Apparently many integers are pre-allocated. I can't remember if it's 0-255, or -127-127.
Also: // 80 bytes // 80 bytes // 104 bytes // 104 bytes // 136 bytes // 40 bytes
ArrayList<Boolean> myArr = new ArrayList<Boolean>();
myArr.ensureCapacity(10);
myArr.ensureCapacity(11);
myArr.ensureCapacity(16);
myArr.ensureCapacity(17);
myArr.trimToSize();
I seem to remember experimenting further with ArrayLists - I'm pretty sure ArrayLists boost their capacity by just 6 elements every time they fill up. I got massive performance increases with busy Arraylist objects by making wrapper classes that boosted the capacity by larger amounts, prematurely.
I remember talking to a friend working with C#, and he said it had more sane allocation sizes. (though he presented no proof of it)
P.S. If you want proof, I'll hunt for the code and/or mailing list and/or articles. They're probably on my NAS somewhere.
Any language will teach you the basics of whatever you're interested in, within its own capabilities.
I learned that binary stuff with Javascript. I wanted to encrypt some data, so I figured out Base64 encoding. (which is technically 6 bit, but whatever)
Have you looked into LUA? It might be a better option that Basic - and it's pretty respectable on your CV, if you're into game programming.
as well as rather memory inefficient, since you now have an overhead of a full-fledged Object (what is it in Sun JVM - 3 words per instance?) for every primitive that you have.
I don't know how much actual memory is consumed, but on the heap in Java SE 1.6, a byte is 1 byte, an int is 4 bytes, and an Integer object is 8 bytes.
Hey, that's fun!
http://translationparty.com/#6837832
http://translationparty.com/#6837848
http://translationparty.com/#6837853
http://translationparty.com/#6837858
First and last ones are best. ;)
Keep in mind that the translation algo is most suited for regular grammar. Not the gobbledeegook it outputs. Grammar -> Chinese gobbledeegook -> English gobbledeegook is a pretty decent translation.
Serious professional or not - anyone should be able to keep a thousand lines in their head, and write relatively bug free code around that. Maybe even 15000 lines without making mistakes.
But projects that a "serious professional" will be working on could be far far larger than that. Many people on slashdot have worked on projects having hundreds of thousands to millions of lines of code. Visualization skills be damned, if looking up code (which will have to be done constantly) is a PITA.
Good thing you can pick up monitors for $99 these days!
Or huge ones for a bit more. I got a 2048x1152 Samsung 2343BWX for $170 CAD.
This should actually work remarkably well. Several years ago I wrote something similar, although much more primitive. I called them boxes, and it was for working with multiple HTML/css/js files at once. No syntax highlighting, and none of this advanced stuff - it was just a notepad replacement, since Windows lacked grid alignment for windows. I did add the option to open files by clicking on (for example) a script or link tag, and the ability to move/resize boxes freely, but that was it.
This thing is impressive. I've got a huge monitor, too - I'd love to try it once it matures and is available. Plus, now I'm more into Java than Javascript. This kind of layout suits me far more than Eclipse.
what more do you expect?
Well, I'm Canadian, and I deal with NCIX primarily, but...
1) A free T-Shirt
2) A $10 gift card
3) 2500 points redeemable for free shipping on any order.
Pick three.
Newegg has acceptable customer service. There are companies with incredible customer service. I remember NCIX mispriced some Atom boards when they were first released - $70 rather than $170. It was fixed within 20 minutes, but there were still ~30 very happy customers. :)
Seems like they're justified. HardOCP's blunder probably just cost them millions - but there's no way to measure it exactly.
The media seems to wield its power haphazardly at times.
At least with sites like TheInquirer, the damage is small if the article is wrong. They have a reputation, after all.
At 50 mph I get 35 mpg, 28-30 at 68 mph
I have a Toyota Corolla station wagon (hatchback from the 80's) that does that, I think. There's a lot of Metric <-> Imperial conversions, but...
I took a trip around BC a while ago. Most of it was uphill or downhill driving. The price of gas pre litre was a bit under a dollar, filling up from empty cost around $30. I figure it has a ~35 litre tank, but someone that knows more about tank sizes could chime in.
On the highways - which included lots of mountain passes and stuff - I was getting about 500-550km on a tank. That's about 340 miles. Google says a 35 litre tank is 9.25 gallons, and 40 litres is 10.5 gallons.
So that gives a mpg for highway driving(~100km/hr, or slightly over) of 32-37mpg.
I remember my Uncle telling me stories of the diesel "Rabbit". It seems to me that while MPG has generally increased, engineers aren't quite as "awesome" as you proclaim them to be. Either that or the improvements started earlier than you think.
Note: My Toyota doesn't burn rubber. :P
But the clue there is ZDNet. I stopped using them for downloads a decade ago.
The only sites I somewhat trust are filehippo and betanews.
They had a chance before. Just like the rest of us, there is nothing to stop them from downloading as many browsers as they want.
Except lack of knowledge.
I have a chance to cure all my own illnesses too, but I tend to depend on more educated healthcare professionals.
Why do you need a prompt before you are able to load another browser? If what other people say here is true, there is still a bit of IE left on your computer even if you select one of the other options. The prompt really doesn't change much from what we can already do now.
1) I don't need a prompt. I'd still love it to be there.
2) That can be fixed with a bit of nLiting, but it would be foolish to do so when so much is rendered by the trident engine.
Didn't you hear? Commas went out with indenting paragraphs.
The new indent is a double line! Thanks HTML, for rewriting our grammar rules!
Maybe they're like Google?
Or maybe they won't, and will instead just try to hire some of the best developers, if the company does get broken up.
All in all, I'm glad that people are being given the choice. But, really, those of us who care about it, already had the means to do it; it's the fact that we're fucking upset that other people don't get pulled into using them...
Reaction: "What the hell is a browser? Choose? I just want to 'surf' the 'internet'.
Not everyone has tech-savvy friends educating them on how to "surf the internet" safely. Now they have a x/5 chance of getting a secure browser, where X is between 0 and 4. Now rather than having a default homepage that goes to some crappy news site pulling in ads from adservers, they have a chance their default homepage will be google.
It's an improvement, mate.
re-choose their software.
They aren't re-choosing anything.
The thing that everyone has forgotten here is what is best for the general public
What's best for the general public is using more exploit resistant browsers - and now they have a chance.
I'd love a prompt like that. How long until our government(s) get a clue and mandate it as well?
Wine gets leaps and bounds better every year. PlayOnLinux also helps you easily get the latest versions of Wine. Ubuntu seems to have versions years out of date in their repository, depending on what version of the OS you use. No idea how out of date other distro's repos are.
BC2, though - I have to find their BC2 account first, add that as a BC2 friend, and then to join a game (or even just see if they are playing), I have to start BC2 first. Annoying!
Very annoying indeed! That was one of the major criticisms of the PS3. Each game having its own online service and friends system.
Poor form on their part.
Take a tip from me - never use the same email address and password for a game's account and your master Steam account. I trust Valve to keep my info safe - but I wouldn't trust a game developer or publisher. They're cocky bastards that spend less money on their programmers than they should. It only takes one storing your info plain-text, for you to lose 200+ games.
I'm more inclined to believe it to be incompetence rather than malice.
When multi-core rendering was added to the nVidia drivers, it was unstable on most games. Crashes, etc. unless disabled.
I suspect a similar thing is going on here.
But I fully acknowledge that nVidia has marketing deals with game developers. I just can't say what they actually cover. I doubt there's an actual conspiracy, based on their past prowess (or lack thereof) when it mattered with multi-core rendering and SLI. (multi-GPU)