It is more than the new look and not having suggestions heard; there are serious regressions. Moving people to an alpha concept website and calling it Beta when only a tiny fraction of the existing functions have been coded is outrageous. I don't think the reaction is much different than the entire worlds reaction to Windows 8 and for the same reasons. "Oh Shiny" is not a reason to ditch useful features.
Was the plan not to have any moderation? Otherwise you weren't really listening to user feedback, you were just progressing from an alpha to well... a better alpha. I mean either the design team didn't think moderation and links and ranking were important, which is damning; or the design team has been planning on doing all of this anyhow and it isn't actually a reaction to user feedback at all.
You made the page width a bit wider because of user feedback. Can't say I'm impressed.
And then I'm stuck with top menus and I can't get alt-tab to do window switching. You'd think I'd get use to it but the muscle memory is solid. Also hate that the little green button (why is it so fricking small?) doesn't maximize and randomly changes the size of your window. Would love to have a separate launcher from taskbar, no reason to have those muddled on a "dock."
That reminds me, time to put Windows 7 and cygwin on the mac...
I disagree strongly. I hate the design. I miss kasbar. I'm not sure how to say that enough actually. Losing kasbar is like ripping out part of my soul. I dislike the model desktop editing. It isn't just the botched 4.0. It isn't just the claims made when 4.1 came out and everything was "done." I honestly and sincerely dislike the direction of the design of KDE 4. The fact that the implementation also sucks can be the final nail in the coffin.
I did get a life on Windows 7. Which sucks but makes me miss KDE 3.5 less than everything else.
To me it wasn't that they promised to fix everything else later, they claimed everything was good when 4.1 was released. Look at Sergio's comments on SVN's call to fork.
Wasn't classic from 4.0 through 4.4 (and I probably still wouldn't consider it classic - semantic desktop, what? - but I stopped looking). I still want kasbar back. And solid dual monitor support. Anyone know of the spiritual successor of KDE 3.5?
Do you think folate is the only thing in a prenatal vitamin? Quantities and other vitamins are also important. I would not take a prenatal vitamin because I probably already have an excess of iron; prenatals have a large dose. In other words, snarky but wrong.
I'm a fan of Willngham, but there is evidence that just _reading_, not reading instruction, but just _reading_ is incredibly productive. We actually carve out 20 minutes a day for students to read any book of their choice.
I don't think it will be the kids (students) claiming the PC will die. You try writing a persuasive essay on a tablet or even a netbook. The dynamic geometry software is ok on a tablet for smaller things, but I can't imagine doing a line of best fit or a regression using a tiny screen. Research papers? The more screen realestate, the better. I really struggle to see anything with a tiny screen being that useful in a typical office or in a school. Netbook or iPad computer labs? Not going to happen, as a supplement, sure. The actual computer lab? No way.
"In the 1920s, General Motors and others began offering cars in a variety of colors with added features, extending credit so that consumers could afford them. Ford insisted on keeping costs down by offering limited features and just one color (black). But after losing market to GM, the company shut down for several months to transition to the redesigned Model A. After this Ford came out with the "V-8". The vehicles were both successful, but the company remained outsold by General Motors."
-http://entrepreneurs.about.com/od/famousentrepreneurs/p/henryford.htm
"But everything changed with the onset of the innovations introduced by General Motors in the 1920s, which took the direct opposite of Henry Ford’s tack of “Any color so long as it is black” and is best summed up by Alfred Sloan’s consumer-research driven “A Car for Every Purse and Purpose,” which aimed to produce cars for distinct market segments aided by:
Installment selling
Used car trade-ins
Closed car models
Annual model changes
In light of these, Ford persevered stubbornly with his cycle (now no longer disruptive nor virtuous) and as such, Ford’s response to these new innovations can only be described as tepid at best. The Ford Motor Company did introduce a closed-body Model T, and did so without significantly altering its open-body design, which most observers at the time felt amounted to a reluctant afterthought."
--http://blogs.hbr.org/2011/08/henry-ford-never-said-the-fast/
Henry Ford lost over 50% of his market share by refusing to listen to his customers, his employees, and his family. Everyone told him that customers wanted different color cars. Ford said any color you want, as long as it's black. And GM ate his lunch. Be condescending to your users at your own risk. Shoot, GNOME seems to pride itself on doing the opposite of what users want and that is working out so well for them.
No love from me. I'm still looking for a replacement for KDE 3.5. Modal settings and the killing of Kasbar did me in. And as of KDE 4.5 or 4.6 (after two or three years I finally threw in the towel on following development and releases) there were seriously fewer options than KDE 2 or KDE 3.
I would agree with this except for Apple being functional. My favorite example has to be that stupid green + that does something different every time you click it but pretty much never maximizes.
Even more continued translation:
And this is why GNOME Classic came about. It had nothing to do with the two successful forks and listening to the lusers. Our bosses made us do it because they know the shell sucks too.
The mind reading thing would be cool. But until it does that, I'm with you, give me some options and tools and shortcuts. There is a reason I have a desktop rather than a laptop.
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It is more than the new look and not having suggestions heard; there are serious regressions. Moving people to an alpha concept website and calling it Beta when only a tiny fraction of the existing functions have been coded is outrageous. I don't think the reaction is much different than the entire worlds reaction to Windows 8 and for the same reasons. "Oh Shiny" is not a reason to ditch useful features.
Was the plan not to have any moderation? Otherwise you weren't really listening to user feedback, you were just progressing from an alpha to well... a better alpha. I mean either the design team didn't think moderation and links and ranking were important, which is damning; or the design team has been planning on doing all of this anyhow and it isn't actually a reaction to user feedback at all.
You made the page width a bit wider because of user feedback. Can't say I'm impressed.
Awesome, a post from the design team.
And after slashdot hires an actual trained UI/UX leader (ha!) they could let them mock GNOME an hour a day on the site too!
First the design team will need to sign up for accounts.
Does anyone on the design team actually use slashdot? For how long?
I mostly passive view. But I won't be passive viewing on the 10th through 17th...
Its a riff off of Babylon 5. Nerd pop culture and all.
Let me google that for you: http://technet.microsoft.com/e...
And then I'm stuck with top menus and I can't get alt-tab to do window switching. You'd think I'd get use to it but the muscle memory is solid. Also hate that the little green button (why is it so fricking small?) doesn't maximize and randomly changes the size of your window. Would love to have a separate launcher from taskbar, no reason to have those muddled on a "dock."
That reminds me, time to put Windows 7 and cygwin on the mac...
I disagree strongly. I hate the design. I miss kasbar. I'm not sure how to say that enough actually. Losing kasbar is like ripping out part of my soul. I dislike the model desktop editing. It isn't just the botched 4.0. It isn't just the claims made when 4.1 came out and everything was "done." I honestly and sincerely dislike the direction of the design of KDE 4. The fact that the implementation also sucks can be the final nail in the coffin.
I did get a life on Windows 7. Which sucks but makes me miss KDE 3.5 less than everything else.
To me it wasn't that they promised to fix everything else later, they claimed everything was good when 4.1 was released. Look at Sergio's comments on SVN's call to fork.
Wasn't classic from 4.0 through 4.4 (and I probably still wouldn't consider it classic - semantic desktop, what? - but I stopped looking). I still want kasbar back. And solid dual monitor support. Anyone know of the spiritual successor of KDE 3.5?
Do you think folate is the only thing in a prenatal vitamin? Quantities and other vitamins are also important. I would not take a prenatal vitamin because I probably already have an excess of iron; prenatals have a large dose. In other words, snarky but wrong.
I'm a fan of Willngham, but there is evidence that just _reading_, not reading instruction, but just _reading_ is incredibly productive. We actually carve out 20 minutes a day for students to read any book of their choice.
And students and office workers.
I don't think it will be the kids (students) claiming the PC will die. You try writing a persuasive essay on a tablet or even a netbook. The dynamic geometry software is ok on a tablet for smaller things, but I can't imagine doing a line of best fit or a regression using a tiny screen. Research papers? The more screen realestate, the better. I really struggle to see anything with a tiny screen being that useful in a typical office or in a school. Netbook or iPad computer labs? Not going to happen, as a supplement, sure. The actual computer lab? No way.
"In the 1920s, General Motors and others began offering cars in a variety of colors with added features, extending credit so that consumers could afford them. Ford insisted on keeping costs down by offering limited features and just one color (black). But after losing market to GM, the company shut down for several months to transition to the redesigned Model A. After this Ford came out with the "V-8". The vehicles were both successful, but the company remained outsold by General Motors." -http://entrepreneurs.about.com/od/famousentrepreneurs/p/henryford.htm "But everything changed with the onset of the innovations introduced by General Motors in the 1920s, which took the direct opposite of Henry Ford’s tack of “Any color so long as it is black” and is best summed up by Alfred Sloan’s consumer-research driven “A Car for Every Purse and Purpose,” which aimed to produce cars for distinct market segments aided by: Installment selling Used car trade-ins Closed car models Annual model changes In light of these, Ford persevered stubbornly with his cycle (now no longer disruptive nor virtuous) and as such, Ford’s response to these new innovations can only be described as tepid at best. The Ford Motor Company did introduce a closed-body Model T, and did so without significantly altering its open-body design, which most observers at the time felt amounted to a reluctant afterthought." --http://blogs.hbr.org/2011/08/henry-ford-never-said-the-fast/
Henry Ford lost over 50% of his market share by refusing to listen to his customers, his employees, and his family. Everyone told him that customers wanted different color cars. Ford said any color you want, as long as it's black. And GM ate his lunch. Be condescending to your users at your own risk. Shoot, GNOME seems to pride itself on doing the opposite of what users want and that is working out so well for them.
No love from me. I'm still looking for a replacement for KDE 3.5. Modal settings and the killing of Kasbar did me in. And as of KDE 4.5 or 4.6 (after two or three years I finally threw in the towel on following development and releases) there were seriously fewer options than KDE 2 or KDE 3.
I would agree with this except for Apple being functional. My favorite example has to be that stupid green + that does something different every time you click it but pretty much never maximizes.
Kasbar back?
Even more continued translation: And this is why GNOME Classic came about. It had nothing to do with the two successful forks and listening to the lusers. Our bosses made us do it because they know the shell sucks too.
That is amber monospace characters.
The mind reading thing would be cool. But until it does that, I'm with you, give me some options and tools and shortcuts. There is a reason I have a desktop rather than a laptop.