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You Are What Your Dad Ate
Freshly Exhumed writes "What a father eats before his child is conceived may influence the chance a baby will be born with a birth defect, a new study suggests. Much of the focus on how diet relates to birth has been done on moms. A father's diet before conception plays a crucial role in the health of his offspring, researchers in Canada suggest. Sarah Kimmins, a researcher at McGill University in Montreal, said the study focused on vitamin B9, also known as folate, which is found in green leafy vegetables, cereal, fruit and meat. The researchers found that the mouse offspring of folate-deficient fathers had a 30 percent increased risk of birth defects, compared to those offspring who had received a sufficient amount of folate."
which is found in green leafy vegetables, cereal, fruit and meat.
So, in pretty much EVERYTHING then?
The cow says "Moo." The dog says "Woof." The Timothy says "Thanks, valued customer. We appreciate your input."
Given the average North American diet, that doesn't sound like a good thing. ;-)
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Everything but Necco Wafers (so yeah, pretty much everything).
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It would have to be a pretty poor diet to not include meat, dairy, cereals, or vegetables.
It's even in beer.
The cow says "Moo." The dog says "Woof." The Timothy says "Thanks, valued customer. We appreciate your input."
Obvious response- his father didn't consume enough B9.
A witty saying proves you are wittier than the next guy.
What a father eats before his child is conceived
Does this imply that I should save the thinking for AFTER dinner?
Eat spinach before attempting to impregnate mice.
alternatively...
Popeye was right.
Nope, he always drank plenty of beer.
The cow says "Moo." The dog says "Woof." The Timothy says "Thanks, valued customer. We appreciate your input."
I am my mother?
I wouldn't panic.
If your dad was a hobo or only ate bratwurst, I might worry, but otherwise you're getting in a panic for no reason.
Diet for males is also code in health study for marital status and stability. Both of which highly affect birth outcomes.
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Well, most pregnant women and women trying to get pregnant are recommended to take folic acid daily; so the risk must be present even for the typical diet. I, for one, had never heard of a link between sperm quality (which is the root cause of the birth defects) and B9 deficiency. In fact, it's relatively rare that the father comes into picture at all when looking at birth defects so even if the deficiency hardly ever happened it would still be interesting news IMO.
It's even in beer.
No wonder my daughter turned out to be a genius. Guess I've got nothing to worry about.
The more likely reason is she isn't really your daughter.
I may be totally off base, but I worked extra hard to eat right before my wife and I had our son. For some reason, I thought about the "you are what you eat" stuff, and I figured maybe a shitty diet could make my sperm crappy, for lack of a better word. He's pretty healthy and robust, so either I was on to something and/or I'm fortunate.
Yes, it would. And there are plenty of people out there with poor diets.
So, in pretty much EVERYTHING then?
Yes, but the levels of B9 may be benign.
I deny that I have not avoided attaining the opposite of that which I do not want.
My dad's a cannibal
Table-ized A.I.
But when foods are highly processes, then those vitamins are greatly degraded or lost period.
With so many people eating highly processed, fast food for so many meals, it is easy to see why even educated, non-poor folks in the US have such health problems, are obese and often have accompanying vitamin/mineral deficiencies.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
How is this news? In Europe obstetricians advise women to start taking folic acid (AKA vitamin B9) at least two months before trying to get pregnant. Isn't the same advice given in America?
I have a special needs kid, so this topic has some interest for me, but I am not a doctor nor a scientist. That said, from an engineer's point of view, TFA doesn't seem to give context for the 30% figure. If the chances are nominally 100,000 to 1, a 30 percent increase makes it 76,923 to one, which is still, for an individual, highly unlikely. I've also heard that the incidence of people being hit by a falling piano is up 100% this year.
All I'm saying is that the 30% figure sounds good as a headline, but it doesn't tell us whether we should make this a priority or not. (I'm guessing, not.)
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As I've already heard that mouse's brain chemistry is close to ours, is there really much correlation in offspring genesis too?
I may be too skeptical, but I would remain calm even if I was trying to get my lady pregnant and eating junk-food.
Tell that to the millions of poor in the US. Haven't you've been paying attention? The world population is facing a crisis in poor nutrition.
Then I'm mostly composed of beer........
(and not necessarily a bad thing)
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My daughter must be made of curry, for that's what I ate the night she was conceived. Funny though, she hates curry herself.
They're probably not found in twinkies.
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One of the primary ingredients in pre-natal vitamins is folate, because it is so important for the fetus. I wonder if this research indicates that fathers trying to conceive should also take pre-natal vitamins.
The title is the exact opposite of the truth. We are not what we eat. We are what we do not poop. So our father's chemistry is also that which he did not poop. Given this insight we can make a correction to a common insult. He is not worth a ##### should be expressed as He is worth what he did not ####.
But when foods are highly processes, then those vitamins are greatly degraded or lost period.
Lost period also correlates with pregnancy, so yeah.
So, in pretty much EVERYTHING then?
Not everything contains much B9. The levels in "cereal" are not natural. It's fortified.
The brief is somewhat misleading. It's only found in large amounts in the liver. Most meat has little. Beans and leafy greens are the best sources, but with fortification it's probably not much of a concern for any American.
You say crisis, I say regulation to sustainable numbers.
I'd like to know if they controlled for the MOTHER's folate level. Afterall, if the mom and dad live together and eat a similar diet, and HE's deficient, it stands to reason that the mom is probably deficient also. None of TFA's seem to talk about it.
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So, this is why my kids like BlackJack and Hookers?
No brain, no pain.
That's all I ate as a kid and young adult before my first kid. Tons of cereal fruit and meat. Dumb study. Who paid for this? Probably the Vegetable Cereal Fruit and Meat Association!
I already told my wife that if she wants kids she will have to folate me.
In fact, it's relatively rare that the father's role in birth defects is even considered by scientists...
FTFY. A lack of knowledge in this area is hardly surprising. A woman produces her eggs during puberty. A man produces his sperm daily. Ergo, day-to-day differences in a man's habits are likely to have a significant impact on his offspring.
We know that heavy drinking during early pregnancy is bad... but what about the man's drinking before conception? What about other drugs?
and beer is a good source of B9...
The problem is that people simply don't think about the fathers input. Sperm health is very dependent on diet. We have known this for at least centuries, and have come up with diets to improve the health long before we could see the things in a microscope.
The difference is obviously that the man's diet plays very little role in the health of the baby after conception.
The same can be said to some degree with diets in general. Eating right leads to better health. Eating crap leads to illness, obesity, etc... Seems like somehow in the last few decades people forgot about how important eating right is and how much your daily health can be impacted by your diet.
You Are What Your Dad Ate
Well, that explaons why you're a dick!
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...what your mom didn't!
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Go back to health class, son. Or... I guess... if your wife is dumb enough to fall for that... keep on keeping on. The world could do without your children.
It was clearly a joke, and I found it quite funny. If that went over your head, then it is YOU who should not be reproducing.
Dad was a Rugged Man. Rugged, ate meat that was still mooing, Smoked Cuban Cigars and swilled the finest Whiskey.
Explains why I keep trying to refill myself with Johnny Walker Blue.
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See that guy wearing shorts on his motorcycle? His dad loved calamari.
That explains why I'm such a pussy...
Oh the irony if her last name had been Kummins. Okay, that was bad. :)
... but we won't worry about minor points like that.
More fraudulent 'research' from the usual scammers... vivisectionists...
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Is there someting wrong with your kid?
It's been pretty common knowledge (or at least published over and over) that both parents should be in their peak health condition including eating right for at least 2-3 months prior to conception. I learned of this at least 8 or 9 years ago, so I'm not entirely sure what's new here? Just be sure to knut a few times before any of that, you'll want your sperm to be in the best shape as they can be. But quite honestly, it's all a game of chance until genetic engineering can play a role in all of this.
A woman's eggs were produced when she was a fetus, that's why you have epigenetic effects straight from the grandmother (who's nutrition determines the environment in the womb.)
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Maybe it is a benign deficiency !
The diet a few years back (50, 60, let's say) was quite poor in winter in many parts of the world which has seasons - there was very little to eat in January except what could be stored easily in the basement, or which was not seasonal. So you had potatoes, cabbage, meat, onions, and so on, but nothing green, no fruits (maybe except apples), no salad, etc. Does this mean that children born in october were on average less healthy than the ones born in june ? I somehow doubt it.
Thanks for the fact-check.
i salute your superior response time. my thought, also.
(who's nutrition determines the environment in the womb.)
Who is nutrition? Dude, what grade did you drop out of? Christ, what an ignoramous. WHOSE, moron.
Sorry, I wasn't sure and selected the wrong option without looking it up. English is my third language.
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Not exactly.
Most people do not take enough leafy greens and whole cereals. And common supermarket meat can have a deficit in micronutrients because the cattle itself show this deficit (iron deficit in calves to give a "softer, whiter meat" ) or becomes deficient because of the processing.
B12 deficiency is for instance not uncommon among the average meat eating population.
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