On my dual 19" screens of 22" screen this isn't a problem. Having options and toolbars available is nice and it drives me nuts that I keep losing access to them (and my overall productivity and enjoyment) because of the desire to look pretty on a 10" screen.
I am getting sick of this quote. Probably because I keep seeing it when Gnome developers blow off their users, but that is beside the point.
Henry Ford lost half his market share by refusing to listen to his customers. They wanted colors other than black and they wanted to be able to getting financing from the Auto company rather than a bank. Ford refused to listen. He didn't listen to his staff, he didn't listen to his customers, he didn't listen to his family. And then GM was larger than Ford and he finally caved to the inevitable.
Ford paid a more than livable wage. Ford brought the slaughter house methods to the industrial plants with the assembly line. Ford wisely took on the horse with his automobile and didn't listen to his customers for that major paradigm shift. However, he continued to ignore his customers at great cost. Moreover, I would hypothesize that most of us are not Henry Ford and that most of us are not trying to bring a major change. Listen to the customer. You don't always have to agree, but you better have a damn good reason for going a different direction.
I loved KDE. KDE 3. KDE 4 I tried for years but the loss of features and the difficulty configuring it made me give up. I don't want the Windows 7 Taskbar, I want the KDE 3 Kasbar, but the Windows 7 makes me only mourn for it once a week as opposed to every second that I use a DE on Linux.
A well done poll of a 1000 people is actually pretty acurte. The Law of Large Numbers kicks in well shy of that. Apparently a stats class is not necessary to be a Slashdot editor.
Nothing is wrong with TWM. I just don't feel like spending the time on the learning curve. Comfort is more important than speed to me right now. To each there own, but I'm not seeing a traditional, full featured desktop on Linux anymore.
There are plenty of distributions I would use. The kernel and the tools are great. Software is good enough. Now if there was a window manager or desktop I was comfortable with I would be all set. But there no longer is and I am shunning Linux.
And as much as it galls me, Microsoft has a point. How do you use your judgement without spending the time installing and using the software? I do it by reading reviews. I could have saved myself years of frustration with KDE 4 just by reading this one: http://practical-tech.com/operating-system/kde-its-time-for-a-fork/. Now I listen to what sjvn says. Hell, read the gnome developer mailing list. Half of them are unhappy.
And yes, Win XP makes me more productive than that stupid *#S dock on OS X. A green plus button the size of pixel that does something different every time I click it and alt/cmd - tab that doesn't cycle through your windows. Now GET OFF MY LAWN!
So extensions now appear to be a poor implementation of preferences. Rather than have preferences, you now get to jump through multiple hoops (including being online) to do the same exact thing as a check box. One of these days I intend to write a blog post on the six / seven reasons that extension just don't work but I doubt anyone would read it.
Have you looked at Windows XP market share? By the time I have to abandon Windows 7, Windows 9 or 10 will be here and at some point Microsoft will listen to their customers (especially businesses). If they don't listen they lose revenue, etc. and bad stuff happens. When Gnome developers don't listen you get Gnome 3 and the "self congratulating echo chamber." They don't know how many users they have, they don't have forums, they don't have voting on bugzilla. They are scratching their personal software itch and f-you if you don't like it.
I really want to be back on Linux but in at least once sense I'm guessing Microsoft will be more responsive to my needs than Jon McCann and other Gnome developers. They just tell me I'm using my computer incorrectly. Huzzah.
I'm glad your time is free. Personally I avoid movies, music and software with crap reviews. Have I given Windows 8 a fair shot? Nope, but there are opportunity costs in installing it and trying it for a while. Opportunity costs that simply does not make sense to me given the reviews. Gnome3, even more so as I have tried Mac X and hate it and clearly that is where many of the ideas for Gnome are "borrowed" from.
Gnome Shell statistically doesn't have market share. Windows XP and Windows 7 own the market currently and neither of those was brought up. And as I'll happily use either of those over the choices you gave I think it has relevance.
I'm not saying that. I'm saying we should use that data until we get data on specific things like google glass. Grandparent was lets approve all drugs until they are shown to kill people, etc.
Then why don't we do the FDA approach to new meds. Get data that proves a benefit without the risk and then we'll approve it. You're doing it backwards.
Some laws should be based on history and common sense. You want to require that their be statistical significance first, at which point hundreds or thousands of people are already dead. We have data on distracted driving and, not shockingly, the results are terrible. This isn't crazy talk, it is a common sense extension. We can loosen the rules later without having caused fatalities.
Some idiot was watching TV in his car this morning, swerving all over the place. Think he'll be using Google Glass for HUD? Yeah, I don't think so either.
XFCE isn't bad. If Windows 7 went away it would be what I would switch to. But it isn't as feature rich as I would like. I don't love the taskbar. And I can't imagine trying to sell it to the wife right now. KDE 3.5 I would have at least tried to sell to the wife. It was markedly better than Windows XP. Kasbar rocked. The settings rocked.
At some point this summer I'll take another look at XFCE and peek at Cinnamon and Mate. I never much cared for Gnome 2.x so I'm not exactly holding my breath but I really would like to renter the Linux fold, at least on a part time basis.
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On my dual 19" screens of 22" screen this isn't a problem. Having options and toolbars available is nice and it drives me nuts that I keep losing access to them (and my overall productivity and enjoyment) because of the desire to look pretty on a 10" screen.
I am getting sick of this quote. Probably because I keep seeing it when Gnome developers blow off their users, but that is beside the point. Henry Ford lost half his market share by refusing to listen to his customers. They wanted colors other than black and they wanted to be able to getting financing from the Auto company rather than a bank. Ford refused to listen. He didn't listen to his staff, he didn't listen to his customers, he didn't listen to his family. And then GM was larger than Ford and he finally caved to the inevitable. Ford paid a more than livable wage. Ford brought the slaughter house methods to the industrial plants with the assembly line. Ford wisely took on the horse with his automobile and didn't listen to his customers for that major paradigm shift. However, he continued to ignore his customers at great cost. Moreover, I would hypothesize that most of us are not Henry Ford and that most of us are not trying to bring a major change. Listen to the customer. You don't always have to agree, but you better have a damn good reason for going a different direction.
I loved KDE. KDE 3. KDE 4 I tried for years but the loss of features and the difficulty configuring it made me give up. I don't want the Windows 7 Taskbar, I want the KDE 3 Kasbar, but the Windows 7 makes me only mourn for it once a week as opposed to every second that I use a DE on Linux.
A well done poll of a 1000 people is actually pretty acurte. The Law of Large Numbers kicks in well shy of that. Apparently a stats class is not necessary to be a Slashdot editor.
Quite a bit different than GNOME and KDE.
You don't have to watch it. I certainly plan on not spending my time or money on it.
And here I was spending time trying to decide if you were talking about "Tim's Window Manager" or a "Tiling Window Manager."
Nothing is wrong with TWM. I just don't feel like spending the time on the learning curve. Comfort is more important than speed to me right now. To each there own, but I'm not seeing a traditional, full featured desktop on Linux anymore.
I loved KDE 3. Windows 7 isn't nearly as good (for me) but I can usually go an entire week without mourning KDE 3. Not true on Linux (again, for me).
There are plenty of distributions I would use. The kernel and the tools are great. Software is good enough. Now if there was a window manager or desktop I was comfortable with I would be all set. But there no longer is and I am shunning Linux.
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And as much as it galls me, Microsoft has a point. How do you use your judgement without spending the time installing and using the software? I do it by reading reviews. I could have saved myself years of frustration with KDE 4 just by reading this one: http://practical-tech.com/operating-system/kde-its-time-for-a-fork/. Now I listen to what sjvn says. Hell, read the gnome developer mailing list. Half of them are unhappy.
Lets look at some numbers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems
XP: 39%
OS X: 7%
Linux: 1%
Gnome: Some fraction of 1%.
So I'd say that XP is very much current and not in the past (as I type this on an XP machine).
And yes, Win XP makes me more productive than that stupid *#S dock on OS X. A green plus button the size of pixel that does something different every time I click it and alt/cmd - tab that doesn't cycle through your windows. Now GET OFF MY LAWN!
So extensions now appear to be a poor implementation of preferences. Rather than have preferences, you now get to jump through multiple hoops (including being online) to do the same exact thing as a check box. One of these days I intend to write a blog post on the six / seven reasons that extension just don't work but I doubt anyone would read it.
Have you looked at Windows XP market share? By the time I have to abandon Windows 7, Windows 9 or 10 will be here and at some point Microsoft will listen to their customers (especially businesses). If they don't listen they lose revenue, etc. and bad stuff happens. When Gnome developers don't listen you get Gnome 3 and the "self congratulating echo chamber." They don't know how many users they have, they don't have forums, they don't have voting on bugzilla. They are scratching their personal software itch and f-you if you don't like it.
I really want to be back on Linux but in at least once sense I'm guessing Microsoft will be more responsive to my needs than Jon McCann and other Gnome developers. They just tell me I'm using my computer incorrectly. Huzzah.
I'm glad your time is free. Personally I avoid movies, music and software with crap reviews. Have I given Windows 8 a fair shot? Nope, but there are opportunity costs in installing it and trying it for a while. Opportunity costs that simply does not make sense to me given the reviews. Gnome3, even more so as I have tried Mac X and hate it and clearly that is where many of the ideas for Gnome are "borrowed" from.
Gnome Shell statistically doesn't have market share. Windows XP and Windows 7 own the market currently and neither of those was brought up. And as I'll happily use either of those over the choices you gave I think it has relevance.
And it is called Unity, not Unity running on Gnome3.
What difference does it make? I use Windows since KDE4 and all my GTK programs run fine.
If you install Gnome3 you get Gnome Shell. Gnome Shell is the Gnome experience.
I'm not saying that. I'm saying we should use that data until we get data on specific things like google glass. Grandparent was lets approve all drugs until they are shown to kill people, etc.
Then why don't we do the FDA approach to new meds. Get data that proves a benefit without the risk and then we'll approve it. You're doing it backwards.
Some laws should be based on history and common sense. You want to require that their be statistical significance first, at which point hundreds or thousands of people are already dead. We have data on distracted driving and, not shockingly, the results are terrible. This isn't crazy talk, it is a common sense extension. We can loosen the rules later without having caused fatalities.
Some idiot was watching TV in his car this morning, swerving all over the place. Think he'll be using Google Glass for HUD? Yeah, I don't think so either.
XFCE isn't bad. If Windows 7 went away it would be what I would switch to. But it isn't as feature rich as I would like. I don't love the taskbar. And I can't imagine trying to sell it to the wife right now. KDE 3.5 I would have at least tried to sell to the wife. It was markedly better than Windows XP. Kasbar rocked. The settings rocked.
At some point this summer I'll take another look at XFCE and peek at Cinnamon and Mate. I never much cared for Gnome 2.x so I'm not exactly holding my breath but I really would like to renter the Linux fold, at least on a part time basis.