>>>yes it is womens groups who are at fault for this
I know a woman who has changed her mind on child-related crimes. Her husband was "hit on" by a high schooler who later pressed charges, and now the guy is on a sex offender list for the rest of his life even though, legally, he did nothing wrong. Now she's saying the sex list should only be for violent offenders, where she used to demand "everyone" who touched a minor should be on the list.
It's funny how people change their tune when they become the victims of their previous paranoia.
In brief: Most of the items we separate don't get recycled because nobody buys the trash (i.e. there's no market for used paper or used milk jugs). Precious metal like aluminum and copper is the only thing they succeed in selling. But the rest? The city then has no choice but to dump the goods in the landfill anyway.
>>>Except they're using that SAME copper still, just with upgraded equipment along the lines, and they pocketed most of the money from the government.
Coax not copper.
And please provide proof Comcast, Cox, and other cable TV companies pocketed the money. And no opinion blogs that offer zero evidence are not sufficient.
>>>It would cause no particular chaos. You would be answerable......to a Foreign Legislature and a Law where you had no voice in its crafting (i.e. to representation). That is not democracy. It is Tyranny. It would be equivalent to the US starting to arrest Europeans for violating the Patriot Act..... and they have no voice in Congress to say, "I am against this law." That is the exact opposite of Democracy.
>>>>>No citizen should be held liable to a legislature where he/she has NO representation. If I sell ebay goods to a Chinese person, I am not liable to their law. If they don't like these goods for some reason, let them block the good at the border (and arrest the Chinese purchaser for breaking the law). But me? No jurisdiction without representation. >>>> >>>By that logic Osama bin Laden can not be held liable to US law for the 9/11 attack because he wasn't in the US.
You're right. He can't. Only the people that actually set foot on US soil can be held for trial. Obama is being dealt with through force, not law.
>>>If you have contacts with a forum state, you're subject to that state's jurisdiction in matters related to those contacts.
Only to a certain extent. They can block my ebay advertisement from being viewed in New York, or block my shipment from entering New York, or arrest my buyer for making an illegal purchase, but they have as much authority over my body as the government of China (i.e. zero). They have no authority to arrest non-citizens.
And if NY doubts that, then they can send the NY militia (or police) across PA and MD to collect me. I'm sure these states will consider it an act of invasion and respond in kind (i.e. fire back).
>>>Do you really want to have a gaming fee and a voip fee and a youtube fee and whatever "extra charges" tacked onto your bill for each service you want to work well?
Yes. Same as when you buy cable and get basic, extended basic, or digital plus (stuff above channel 100). Same as when you buy a car you pay extra for a Monsoon Sound System or powered mirrors or other luxuries. Same as when you eat at a restaurant you can get the $5 steak or the $15 steak. .
>>>pretty soon it's almost a requirement.
False. You always have the option to get the basic package. Many would say it's a "requirement" to have megabit internet, but I'm doing just fine with my 750k connection, because I decided I wanted the basic package not a luxury package. (i.e. I'm not spoiled.)
>>>1. Does prioritizing traffic compromise the spirit and principal behind NN if it does not degrade others service? >>>Not necessarily.
Yes. If the ISP gives its own video rental service higher priority than, say, hulu or netflix or itunes, it gives them an unfair advantage. And that leads to the ISP eventually gaining a monopoly. Which ultimately damages the consumer by limiting choice.
>>>I get that you're a Libertarian and it's all ZOMG gubment doin' stuff, but give me a break.
I'd rather give the power to the Citizen to make his own choices (ISP 1 sucks... I'll chose one of the other 10 ISPs), rather than simply hand-over to the Lords in government. It's also worth noting that the monopoly problem is one the government created itself, by locking-out competitors.
I hear rumors that the EU Parliament will soon be doing exactly that, and replacing the US Military with its own EU defence force. Of course, these are just rumors for now, but I suspect it will happen eventually.
>>>Obama just signs his name giving them permission
Interesting argument for why Obama is innocent. Does the same reasoning apply to Bush to forgive his actions from 2002 through 2009? I suspect not..... then neither does it apply to Obama.
>>>let me just accuse every/. commenter below me in this article of rape
Worse: Accuse them of child rape. Even if you are found "not guilty" you'll still be treated as a pariah. We need to stop assuming someone is guilty upon mere accusation, and instead assume they are innocent until the Lords have proved their case.
This prioritizing of gaming traffic would be illegal if Net Neutrality existed.
You see how seemingly "good" laws can cause unintended and harmful consequences? (Lord save me from do-gooders trying to save my soul, or impose their morals upon me.)
When the telephone was invented, the US Supreme Court already ruled that just because a person's voice carries into a foreign state does not mean he/she is subject to that other state's laws. The person is only subject when his body enters the other state.
>>>Can you still argue that It's just a site in the UK that is only subject to UK legislation?
No British citizen who lives on British soil should ever feel the cold steel of a French guillotine, especially if he's never left the British Isles. Furthermore, it is not logical for a Englishman to be answerable to a Fucking Legislature where he has no voice. Can you imagine that chaos that would cause?
"We the French assembly have determined that all web owners that displayed nudity, even prior to passage of this law, shall spend 10 years in jail." You'd end-up deporting British web owners to France where they would be jailed by a foreign government.
Yeah I know I exaggerated, but it seems with some people you have to hit them with a hammer to make them understand the implications of subjecting citizens to foreign Governments where they have Zero representation and Zero voice. Ya know, I don't feel like having my head chopped off just because an Iranian purchased an Ebay hard drive from me that showed women in bikinis.
Good grief. You didn't understand a single word I wrote. I wasn't talking about the good. I was talking about the company. The man who owns Vermont Teddy Bears is subject to VT and US regulation, but not California or any of the other states. Those governments haze zero jurisdiction over non-citizens.
As for other brilliant ideas, like New York State wanting me to collect taxes from my ebay buyers and file a tax return, they can rot in hell. I owe zero allegiance to that government, nor do I have any voice speaking for me in its legislature.
>>>>>How many people do you know that uses the other minority OS, Apple Macintosh >> >>'Apple Macintosh' is not an operating system.
True but I already said "OS" once, and didn't see a need to repeat it again: ".....other minority OS, Apple Macintosh OS." I didn't realize there were redundant--minded people reading my post. .
>>>The OS is called "Mac OS X"
Except when it isn't. Then it might be called Mac OS 9, or Mac OS 8, or System 7.
Flash runs slow on PowerPC Macs, so I'm not surprised by the negative perception over the last few years. .
>>>iTunes (on windows) crashes around ten times more than flash
My Windows iTunes doesn't even work anymore. It keeps saying, "Can't find the network connection." I suspect the problem is related to IE which also stopped working.
It's amazing how dumb people can be (at least in regards to the law and jurisdiction).
Let's say an owner is located in UK but his website is visible all across the EU. That means he's subject to the laws of UK, the EU, and nothing else. It does not matter that his site is visible in France, Germany, Poland, and so on..... he is not subject to their laws. LIKEWISE: An owner located in CA but visible all across the US is subject to the laws of CA, the US, and nothing else. It does not matter that his site is visible in Arizona, Missouri, Virginia, and so on..... he is not subject to their laws.
>>>If you don't want to be subject to Chinese laws then don't do business with Chinese customers.
No citizen should be held liable to a legislature where he/she has NO representation. If I sell ebay goods to a Chinese person, I am not liable to their law. If they don't like these goods for some reason, let them block the good at the border (and arrest the Chinese purchaser for breaking the law). But me? No jurisdiction without representation.
Under current laws internet companies are treated the same as mail-order companies -
They are subject to the laws of whatever state they reside (say: Vermont) plus the central, general government if their goods (say teddy bears) cross state lines. (If they don't cross lines, then only Maine has authority.) In my example the business would not be subject to foreign government outside of Vermont, just the same way a Polish business is not subject to the governments of Germany or France or other EU states.
And there's a good reason for that: No seller or citizen (like me) should be subject to a government where he has no representation.
>>>telcos' petitioning the FCC so they don't have to explain why their network is stuck in the 70s.
Nope. They discovered that modems operating at peak speed (7 bits and 56k) caused crosstalk on neighboring lines. So the FCC limited the *power output* of the modem to prevent that.
>>>And porn [over 14k modem] was like a 1920s strip show.
Now c'mon it wasn't that bad. I downloaded several SI Swimsuit Issues over a 2k modem to my Commodore Amiga (80s). Granted it was only 704x480x 4000 colors and DVD resolution, but that's still enough to enjoy the boobies.;-)
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>>>yes it is womens groups who are at fault for this
I know a woman who has changed her mind on child-related crimes. Her husband was "hit on" by a high schooler who later pressed charges, and now the guy is on a sex offender list for the rest of his life even though, legally, he did nothing wrong. Now she's saying the sex list should only be for violent offenders, where she used to demand "everyone" who touched a minor should be on the list.
It's funny how people change their tune when they become the victims of their previous paranoia.
Here's the episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzLebC0mjCQ
In brief: Most of the items we separate don't get recycled because nobody buys the trash (i.e. there's no market for used paper or used milk jugs). Precious metal like aluminum and copper is the only thing they succeed in selling. But the rest? The city then has no choice but to dump the goods in the landfill anyway.
>>>Except they're using that SAME copper still, just with upgraded equipment along the lines, and they pocketed most of the money from the government.
Coax not copper.
And please provide proof Comcast, Cox, and other cable TV companies pocketed the money. And no opinion blogs that offer zero evidence are not sufficient.
>>>It would cause no particular chaos. You would be answerable... ...to a Foreign Legislature and a Law where you had no voice in its crafting (i.e. to representation). That is not democracy. It is Tyranny.
It would be equivalent to the US starting to arrest Europeans for violating the Patriot Act..... and they have no voice in Congress to say, "I am against this law." That is the exact opposite of Democracy.
>>>>>No citizen should be held liable to a legislature where he/she has NO representation. If I sell ebay goods to a Chinese person, I am not liable to their law. If they don't like these goods for some reason, let them block the good at the border (and arrest the Chinese purchaser for breaking the law). But me? No jurisdiction without representation.
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>>>By that logic Osama bin Laden can not be held liable to US law for the 9/11 attack because he wasn't in the US.
You're right. He can't. Only the people that actually set foot on US soil can be held for trial. Obama is being dealt with through force, not law.
>>>If you have contacts with a forum state, you're subject to that state's jurisdiction in matters related to those contacts.
Only to a certain extent. They can block my ebay advertisement from being viewed in New York, or block my shipment from entering New York, or arrest my buyer for making an illegal purchase, but they have as much authority over my body as the government of China (i.e. zero). They have no authority to arrest non-citizens.
And if NY doubts that, then they can send the NY militia (or police) across PA and MD to collect me. I'm sure these states will consider it an act of invasion and respond in kind (i.e. fire back).
>>>Do you really want to have a gaming fee and a voip fee and a youtube fee and whatever "extra charges" tacked onto your bill for each service you want to work well?
Yes. Same as when you buy cable and get basic, extended basic, or digital plus (stuff above channel 100). Same as when you buy a car you pay extra for a Monsoon Sound System or powered mirrors or other luxuries. Same as when you eat at a restaurant you can get the $5 steak or the $15 steak.
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>>>pretty soon it's almost a requirement.
False. You always have the option to get the basic package. Many would say it's a "requirement" to have megabit internet, but I'm doing just fine with my 750k connection, because I decided I wanted the basic package not a luxury package. (i.e. I'm not spoiled.)
>>>they are slowing down everyone else.
Which is under illegal under current (but not yet passed) NN legislation.
>>>1. Does prioritizing traffic compromise the spirit and principal behind NN if it does not degrade others service?
>>>Not necessarily.
Yes. If the ISP gives its own video rental service higher priority than, say, hulu or netflix or itunes, it gives them an unfair advantage. And that leads to the ISP eventually gaining a monopoly. Which ultimately damages the consumer by limiting choice.
>>>I get that you're a Libertarian and it's all ZOMG gubment doin' stuff, but give me a break.
I'd rather give the power to the Citizen to make his own choices (ISP 1 sucks... I'll chose one of the other 10 ISPs), rather than simply hand-over to the Lords in government. It's also worth noting that the monopoly problem is one the government created itself, by locking-out competitors.
>>>why don't they kick us out?
I hear rumors that the EU Parliament will soon be doing exactly that, and replacing the US Military with its own EU defence force. Of course, these are just rumors for now, but I suspect it will happen eventually.
>>>Obama just signs his name giving them permission
Interesting argument for why Obama is innocent. Does the same reasoning apply to Bush to forgive his actions from 2002 through 2009? I suspect not..... then neither does it apply to Obama.
>>>let me just accuse every /. commenter below me in this article of rape
Worse: Accuse them of child rape. Even if you are found "not guilty" you'll still be treated as a pariah. We need to stop assuming someone is guilty upon mere accusation, and instead assume they are innocent until the Lords have proved their case.
... interfering with EU affairs, as if the EU was a protectorate of the US.
This prioritizing of gaming traffic would be illegal if Net Neutrality existed.
You see how seemingly "good" laws can cause unintended and harmful consequences? (Lord save me from do-gooders trying to save my soul, or impose their morals upon me.)
When the telephone was invented, the US Supreme Court already ruled that just because a person's voice carries into a foreign state does not mean he/she is subject to that other state's laws. The person is only subject when his body enters the other state.
>>>Can you still argue that It's just a site in the UK that is only subject to UK legislation?
No British citizen who lives on British soil should ever feel the cold steel of a French guillotine, especially if he's never left the British Isles. Furthermore, it is not logical for a Englishman to be answerable to a Fucking Legislature where he has no voice. Can you imagine that chaos that would cause?
"We the French assembly have determined that all web owners that displayed nudity, even prior to passage of this law, shall spend 10 years in jail." You'd end-up deporting British web owners to France where they would be jailed by a foreign government.
Yeah I know I exaggerated, but it seems with some people you have to hit them with a hammer to make them understand the implications of subjecting citizens to foreign Governments where they have Zero representation and Zero voice. Ya know, I don't feel like having my head chopped off just because an Iranian purchased an Ebay hard drive from me that showed women in bikinis.
>>>You've forgotten that goods
Good grief. You didn't understand a single word I wrote. I wasn't talking about the good. I was talking about the company. The man who owns Vermont Teddy Bears is subject to VT and US regulation, but not California or any of the other states. Those governments haze zero jurisdiction over non-citizens.
As for other brilliant ideas, like New York State wanting me to collect taxes from my ebay buyers and file a tax return, they can rot in hell. I owe zero allegiance to that government, nor do I have any voice speaking for me in its legislature.
>>>>>How many people do you know that uses the other minority OS, Apple Macintosh
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>>'Apple Macintosh' is not an operating system.
True but I already said "OS" once, and didn't see a need to repeat it again: ".....other minority OS, Apple Macintosh OS." I didn't realize there were redundant--minded people reading my post.
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>>>The OS is called "Mac OS X"
Except when it isn't. Then it might be called Mac OS 9, or Mac OS 8, or System 7.
Flash runs slow on PowerPC Macs, so I'm not surprised by the negative perception over the last few years.
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>>>iTunes (on windows) crashes around ten times more than flash
My Windows iTunes doesn't even work anymore. It keeps saying, "Can't find the network connection." I suspect the problem is related to IE which also stopped working.
It's amazing how dumb people can be (at least in regards to the law and jurisdiction).
Let's say an owner is located in UK but his website is visible all across the EU. That means he's subject to the laws of UK, the EU, and nothing else. It does not matter that his site is visible in France, Germany, Poland, and so on..... he is not subject to their laws. LIKEWISE: An owner located in CA but visible all across the US is subject to the laws of CA, the US, and nothing else. It does not matter that his site is visible in Arizona, Missouri, Virginia, and so on..... he is not subject to their laws.
No jurisdiction without representation.
>>>If you don't want to be subject to Chinese laws then don't do business with Chinese customers.
No citizen should be held liable to a legislature where he/she has NO representation. If I sell ebay goods to a Chinese person, I am not liable to their law. If they don't like these goods for some reason, let them block the good at the border (and arrest the Chinese purchaser for breaking the law). But me? No jurisdiction without representation.
Under current laws internet companies are treated the same as mail-order companies -
They are subject to the laws of whatever state they reside (say: Vermont) plus the central, general government if their goods (say teddy bears) cross state lines. (If they don't cross lines, then only Maine has authority.) In my example the business would not be subject to foreign government outside of Vermont, just the same way a Polish business is not subject to the governments of Germany or France or other EU states.
And there's a good reason for that: No seller or citizen (like me) should be subject to a government where he has no representation.
>>>telcos' petitioning the FCC so they don't have to explain why their network is stuck in the 70s.
Nope. They discovered that modems operating at peak speed (7 bits and 56k) caused crosstalk on neighboring lines. So the FCC limited the *power output* of the modem to prevent that.
>>>And porn [over 14k modem] was like a 1920s strip show.
Now c'mon it wasn't that bad. I downloaded several SI Swimsuit Issues over a 2k modem to my Commodore Amiga (80s). Granted it was only 704x480x 4000 colors and DVD resolution, but that's still enough to enjoy the boobies. ;-)