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>>>Win95 really share all that much with the Mac.
Trashcan added to Win95? Check. Finder-style interface on Win95 (instead of the mess of windows on 3.1)? Check. Mac-style restart/shutdown procedure added to Win95? Check.
They even copied the same, "It is now safe to switch off your computer" screen dialogue. The first time I used Windows95 I had to double check to make sure I had not accidentally sat in front of a Mac.
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>>>16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor
Why do you call MS-DOS an 8 bit operating system? Wasn't it developed from the 86-DOS for 8086s? Well that's a 16 bit processor, so MS-DOS is a 16 bit OS.
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>>>What was wrong with DOS as the bootloader?
Nothing in theory but Windows 95/98 were nowhere near as stable as the true 32-bit OS known as Windows NT 3.x/ 4.x. A single crashed program could freeze the whole OS (cooperative tasking rather than preemptive tasking).
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From wikipedia: "Hover! is a video game that was included on the Microsoft Windows 95 operating system CD.[1] It was a showcase for the advanced multimedia capabilities available on personal computers at the time."
Hahhahahahaha! Yeah right. I had similar games with equal visuals and sounds on my 1985 Commodore Amiga. I guess it is "advanced" for an IBM PC, but for owners of Ataris or Commodores it was ten years behind the curve.
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>>>OS/2 didn't get "very few users". It was a very mainstream operating system at its peak.
Ha. The Commodore Amiga OS in the early 90s sold more units than IBM OS/2 during the same period, and yet nobody here would call the AmigaOS "mainstream". Both were minority OSes.
As for ease of use, I copy this from a website as example: "Take the process required to install and configure a printer. Under Windows it was a simple two step process. Under OS/2 1.2 it required the user to perform unnatural acts:
1. Install the device drivers.
2. Set up a printer queue.
3. Create a printer object.
4. Associate the device driver with the printer object.
5. Associate the print queue with the printer object.
6. Set up the COM port configuration for a serial printer.
7. Use the SPOOL command to redirect printer output to the desired port.
8. Specify optional printer settings. "No wonder people thought OS/2 was difficult!" - http://www.databook.bz/?page_id=223
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>>>It's necessary to study what makes an OS popular to gather some more share from Microsoft.
Easy. The same thing that killed off the Atari ST, Commodore Amiga, and the Apple Macintosh (almost). Offices. They picked the IBM PC as their preferred platform in the early 80s, and it just continued steadily from there. And consumers of course bought what they had in the office, because it was familiar to them.
TRS-80 was the #1 selling computer in the late 70s. Atari 400/800 held the mantle in 1982, followed by the mass-produced Commodore 64 (30 million units sold). But by 1987 IBM PC was the #1 machine and nobody else could touch it. The competition was driven into bankruptcy by the mid-90s (or in the case of Apple - almost bankrupted).
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>>>>>Windows 95 finally gave me the ability to rub his arrogant face right in my ass.
Not really. Because when my friends said how great Win9 was, I just replied, "Well of course Windows 95 is good. They copied the Macintosh desktop. If you copy greatness, then you get greatness..... albeit still just a copy of the original." The truly sad thing about Win95 is it took them a decade to reach the level of usability Apple Mac, Atari ST, and Commodore Amiga had in 85. Pathetic. These other companies were the innovators while MS consistently lagged years-and-years behind. .
>>OS/2 was still way better than Win95. Win95 was 32-bit "OS" bolted on DOS
Actually Win95 was just a shell on top of the 32-bit MS-DOS. For example you could substitute DR-DOS instead. If you were looking for an OS better than either Win95 or OS/2, you could have chosen Microsoft NT3 or NT4 instead. .
Is it better that schools do to kids, what they did to me? Delude them into thinking the real engineering world is fun, with lots of girls in bikinis laying on the grass, studying textbooks or doing homework in the sun, and a new project to build every 4 months?
No. Better to have schools reflect reality. No girls (at least not where I work). No sun. No windows. And the same damn project for ten years (with just minor upgrades).
Really? My local school simply added new wings to the original school. First in 1987 (when I was there) and again in 2005. We never had to deal with those ugly trailers
I also don't understand the comment about 70s schools without windows. I went to schools that were built in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, and they all had at least one window per room. I know because I used to stare out of it rather than listen to the boring teacher. (Maybe that's an argument for why windows are bad.)
Plus isn't the purpose of school to adjust kids to their future lives as adults? I certainly don't have any windows on my cubicle.
I'm pretty sure there's a connection there. As for the expense, that's what happens when you have a monopoly on money - you don't need to cut costs. You are free to spend as much as you want, because there's no competitor to undercut you with lower cost goods. Color me unsurprised.
I'm tired of this meme. There was nothing wrong with Matrix 2 and 3, except for being overly long (like Star Wars Return of the Sominex). The story would have worked better as a single movie.
He had to blow text to gigantic size on his screen, and even then he still needed to put his face up to the monitor to read it. I was glad the FAA gave hi a job, but still felt sorry for him. Can't we invent a cloned eye yet, to make that kind of disability obsolete?
>>>Until, people start winding up at the hospital with food poisoning.
What part of "the government help the kid come up to code" did you not comprehend? There would have been no food poisoning then. Ya know, it amazes me how people like you wilingly bend-over and lick the boots of politicians, rather than admit the government is squashing us like ants. Why don't we all just live on plantations again, and call ourselves "serfs"?
>>>In Canada, ambulances for life-threatening emergencies are free
You mean Canadians don't pay healthcare taxes? Wow. That's amazing. Maybe I ought to send my resume to some Canadian headhunters, get a job, and move there for all those "free" services. Do they give-away cars too?
I was going to put something else here, but somewhere along the line people forgot the lesson of Eastern Europe. (Change comes from revolution.) So instead I censored myself before the mods could do it.
Solution: Don't give email to you employees (other than the old-fashioned internal type), and then you'll know they can't abuse it by signing on to "time wasters" mailing list.
Now:
Where do I send my resume in Germany to get a job? I'm tired of my employers spying on me. "You were listening to FOX News Radio." Yeah so? "You're not allowed. CNN or MSNBC or any other radio is okay, but not the propaganda channel FOX." Ooooo-kay. "And also we've heard complaints you're eating too much food at lunchtime. Limit yourself to just one sandwich." (Yes this was an actual conversation with my new boss who proudly announced she used to be a Walmart manager.)
>>>I was angry as hell. Consider this: If I hadn't called 9-1-1, I would have been a criminal [for letting baby die]. And by calling 9-1-1, I make myself liable for an emergency services bill.
You forgot the third option:
Don't have a baby if you are not willing to take-on the expenses of raising it/keeping it alive. Option 3 would have avoided the catch-22 you found yourself in.
>>>>>cost me $1700 for my wife. >> >>Yep. Kinda stinks.....
Yes. Those damn greedy ambulance drivers with their million-dollar glorified vans. They should work for free and charge nothing*. What's the world coming too? Laborers expecting to be paid? Bah. Humbug.
* * Even if your government does not bill you directly, they still charge * you for it by sucking the money out of your paycheck. You still pay.
Lockheed Martin only gave me and other engineers/programmers 8 hours notice in 2001.
Guess the WARN Act doesn't really work. As for looking for a new job, I've learned from experience that it's better to work until your last day. (And collect the 3-6 months of severance bonus.) If someone wants to hire you, they'll be willing to wait another 1 or 2 months.
I was going to put something else here, but somewhere along the line people forgot the lesson of Eastern Europe. (Change comes from revolution.) So instead I censored myself before the mods could do it.
>>>We collect and SELL over a THOUSAND tonnes of paper
It's possible new businesses have developed since 6 years ago, when P&T filmed that episode. At the time it was cheaper to grow new trees and make paper, than to deal with the expense of cleaning used paper and disposing of expensive, environmentally-hazardous chemicals. Maybe the equation has changed now?
Still I think it's worthwhile to watch the episode. Questioning your assumptions is a good thing. (ex: Most people assume Betamax died because it didn't have porn; it's false.)
>>>Military spending is about the only thing keeping GM, Boeing..... afloat.
Building an economy based upon military expenditures is as illogical as building cars and then (1) blowing them up or (2) letting them sit in storage and rust. It is a non-productive activity and should be ended as soon as possible.
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>>>Win95 really share all that much with the Mac.
Trashcan added to Win95? Check.
Finder-style interface on Win95 (instead of the mess of windows on 3.1)? Check.
Mac-style restart/shutdown procedure added to Win95? Check.
They even copied the same, "It is now safe to switch off your computer" screen dialogue. The first time I used Windows95 I had to double check to make sure I had not accidentally sat in front of a Mac.
>>>16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor
Why do you call MS-DOS an 8 bit operating system? Wasn't it developed from the 86-DOS for 8086s? Well that's a 16 bit processor, so MS-DOS is a 16 bit OS.
>>>What was wrong with DOS as the bootloader?
Nothing in theory but Windows 95/98 were nowhere near as stable as the true 32-bit OS known as Windows NT 3.x/ 4.x. A single crashed program could freeze the whole OS (cooperative tasking rather than preemptive tasking).
From wikipedia: "Hover! is a video game that was included on the Microsoft Windows 95 operating system CD.[1] It was a showcase for the advanced multimedia capabilities available on personal computers at the time."
Hahhahahahaha! Yeah right. I had similar games with equal visuals and sounds on my 1985 Commodore Amiga. I guess it is "advanced" for an IBM PC, but for owners of Ataris or Commodores it was ten years behind the curve.
>>>OS/2 didn't get "very few users". It was a very mainstream operating system at its peak.
Ha. The Commodore Amiga OS in the early 90s sold more units than IBM OS/2 during the same period, and yet nobody here would call the AmigaOS "mainstream". Both were minority OSes.
As for ease of use, I copy this from a website as example: "Take the process required to install and configure a printer. Under Windows it was a simple two step process. Under OS/2 1.2 it required the user to perform unnatural acts:
1. Install the device drivers.
2. Set up a printer queue.
3. Create a printer object.
4. Associate the device driver with the printer object.
5. Associate the print queue with the printer object.
6. Set up the COM port configuration for a serial printer.
7. Use the SPOOL command to redirect printer output to the desired port.
8. Specify optional printer settings.
"No wonder people thought OS/2 was difficult!" - http://www.databook.bz/?page_id=223
>>>It's necessary to study what makes an OS popular to gather some more share from Microsoft.
Easy. The same thing that killed off the Atari ST, Commodore Amiga, and the Apple Macintosh (almost). Offices. They picked the IBM PC as their preferred platform in the early 80s, and it just continued steadily from there. And consumers of course bought what they had in the office, because it was familiar to them.
TRS-80 was the #1 selling computer in the late 70s. Atari 400/800 held the mantle in 1982, followed by the mass-produced Commodore 64 (30 million units sold). But by 1987 IBM PC was the #1 machine and nobody else could touch it. The competition was driven into bankruptcy by the mid-90s (or in the case of Apple - almost bankrupted).
And because IBM PC was successful, so too were PCDOS, MS-DOS and MS-windows, by default. See the chart for yourself:
http://media.arstechnica.com/articles/culture/total-share.media/marketshare.jpg
>>>>>Windows 95 finally gave me the ability to rub his arrogant face right in my ass.
Not really. Because when my friends said how great Win9 was, I just replied, "Well of course Windows 95 is good. They copied the Macintosh desktop. If you copy greatness, then you get greatness..... albeit still just a copy of the original." The truly sad thing about Win95 is it took them a decade to reach the level of usability Apple Mac, Atari ST, and Commodore Amiga had in 85. Pathetic. These other companies were the innovators while MS consistently lagged years-and-years behind.
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>>OS/2 was still way better than Win95. Win95 was 32-bit "OS" bolted on DOS
Actually Win95 was just a shell on top of the 32-bit MS-DOS. For example you could substitute DR-DOS instead. If you were looking for an OS better than either Win95 or OS/2, you could have chosen Microsoft NT3 or NT4 instead.
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Is it better that schools do to kids, what they did to me? Delude them into thinking the real engineering world is fun, with lots of girls in bikinis laying on the grass, studying textbooks or doing homework in the sun, and a new project to build every 4 months?
No. Better to have schools reflect reality. No girls (at least not where I work). No sun. No windows. And the same damn project for ten years (with just minor upgrades).
Really? My local school simply added new wings to the original school. First in 1987 (when I was there) and again in 2005. We never had to deal with those ugly trailers
That was only for the rich. The average slobs went to a building just like we did - or no schooling at all.
I also don't understand the comment about 70s schools without windows. I went to schools that were built in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, and they all had at least one window per room. I know because I used to stare out of it rather than listen to the boring teacher. (Maybe that's an argument for why windows are bad.)
Plus isn't the purpose of school to adjust kids to their future lives as adults? I certainly don't have any windows on my cubicle.
Nerds. Schools.
Schools. Nerds.
I'm pretty sure there's a connection there. As for the expense, that's what happens when you have a monopoly on money - you don't need to cut costs. You are free to spend as much as you want, because there's no competitor to undercut you with lower cost goods. Color me unsurprised.
I'm tired of this meme. There was nothing wrong with Matrix 2 and 3, except for being overly long (like Star Wars Return of the Sominex). The story would have worked better as a single movie.
One of my FAA coworkers was like that.
He had to blow text to gigantic size on his screen, and even then he still needed to put his face up to the monitor to read it. I was glad the FAA gave hi a job, but still felt sorry for him. Can't we invent a cloned eye yet, to make that kind of disability obsolete?
>>>Until, people start winding up at the hospital with food poisoning.
What part of "the government help the kid come up to code" did you not comprehend? There would have been no food poisoning then. Ya know, it amazes me how people like you wilingly bend-over and lick the boots of politicians, rather than admit the government is squashing us like ants. Why don't we all just live on plantations again, and call ourselves "serfs"?
>>>In Canada, ambulances for life-threatening emergencies are free
You mean Canadians don't pay healthcare taxes? Wow. That's amazing. Maybe I ought to send my resume to some Canadian headhunters, get a job, and move there for all those "free" services. Do they give-away cars too?
hahahahahahahaha. I'm just ribbing you.
Here's your tax payment.....
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I was going to put something else here, but somewhere along the line people forgot the lesson of Eastern Europe. (Change comes from revolution.) So instead I censored myself before the mods could do it.
"And oh yeah your contract was terminated yesterday." But what about my four hours for today? "No I refuse to sign your timecard."
Rockwell Collins in Iowa.
Don't ever work there.
Solution: Don't give email to you employees (other than the old-fashioned internal type), and then you'll know they can't abuse it by signing on to "time wasters" mailing list.
Now:
Where do I send my resume in Germany to get a job? I'm tired of my employers spying on me. "You were listening to FOX News Radio." Yeah so? "You're not allowed. CNN or MSNBC or any other radio is okay, but not the propaganda channel FOX." Ooooo-kay. "And also we've heard complaints you're eating too much food at lunchtime. Limit yourself to just one sandwich." (Yes this was an actual conversation with my new boss who proudly announced she used to be a Walmart manager.)
>>>I was angry as hell. Consider this: If I hadn't called 9-1-1, I would have been a criminal [for letting baby die]. And by calling 9-1-1, I make myself liable for an emergency services bill.
You forgot the third option:
Don't have a baby if you are not willing to take-on the expenses of raising it/keeping it alive. Option 3 would have avoided the catch-22 you found yourself in.
>>>>>cost me $1700 for my wife.
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>>Yep. Kinda stinks.....
Yes. Those damn greedy ambulance drivers with their million-dollar glorified vans. They should work for free and charge nothing*. What's the world coming too? Laborers expecting to be paid? Bah. Humbug.
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* Even if your government does not bill you directly, they still charge
* you for it by sucking the money out of your paycheck. You still pay.
Lockheed Martin only gave me and other engineers/programmers 8 hours notice in 2001.
Guess the WARN Act doesn't really work. As for looking for a new job, I've learned from experience that it's better to work until your last day. (And collect the 3-6 months of severance bonus.) If someone wants to hire you, they'll be willing to wait another 1 or 2 months.
Here's your tax payment.....
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I was going to put something else here, but somewhere along the line people forgot the lesson of Eastern Europe. (Change comes from revolution.) So instead I censored myself before the mods could do it.
>>>We collect and SELL over a THOUSAND tonnes of paper
It's possible new businesses have developed since 6 years ago, when P&T filmed that episode. At the time it was cheaper to grow new trees and make paper, than to deal with the expense of cleaning used paper and disposing of expensive, environmentally-hazardous chemicals. Maybe the equation has changed now?
Still I think it's worthwhile to watch the episode. Questioning your assumptions is a good thing. (ex: Most people assume Betamax died because it didn't have porn; it's false.)
>>>Military spending is about the only thing keeping GM, Boeing..... afloat.
Building an economy based upon military expenditures is as illogical as building cars and then (1) blowing them up or (2) letting them sit in storage and rust. It is a non-productive activity and should be ended as soon as possible.