I liked that movie. A better example might be Uwe Boll's "Alone in the Dark" or "House of the Dead". You buy this crap from Walmart. Should you be forced to keep it? No.
I don't care if some future government law merely says Walmart has to give me store credit - it's still better than throwing-away $15 on shit. Hell even candy bar makers warranty their products ("if unsatisfied return the unused portion for a refund"). Why can't record and movie companies follow that example?
In nearly-all jurisdictions it is a crime for a company to sell an inferior product and then refuse to refund money. Even in "as is" cases the courts have ruled that the company must refund the customer, if the company claimed the product was working but in fact did not work. The legal system is designed to protect the customer and charge companies with crimes if they don't obey these laws. (See U.S. v. Warner Records, Sony, et al. from ten years ago.) .
>>>Was the product exactly as it was advertised when sold?
No. We all know that movies/music are advertised in a manner that makes them appear better than they are. How many times I've heard people say, "The only good parts of the movie were in the ad. The rest was crap."
There's a radio host named Alex Jones who gives his stuff away for free (via internet) or for purchase (physical copy), but he doesn't seem to be going bankrupt. He still rakes-in plenty of cash. There are probably other examples, but Jones is the first one that popped into my head.
POINT: Just because the net exists doesn't mean the company will disappear. There are enough people who prefer physical product (like me) that they will continue raking-in millions each year. For them to claim they "lose" is ridiculous. There was no cost to them when I downloaded that Britney song, and even if the net didn't exist, I wouldn't buy her crap anyway.
>>>the same corporations that are waging a campaign to bankrupt college students, instead of working to making college education more affordable.
College already is damn cheap. At state schools about half the tuition is covered by taxpayers. Plus your professors earn very little salary and would actually be better-off quitting & going to work in industry (about $30,000 per year more). And the room rental works out to just $11-12 per night.
I think college is actually quite cheap, and I wish we could have a similar privatized model at the K-12 level. (Gov't schools cost ~$10,000 each year - private is only $3500.)
If the government was acting in OUR interest, it would force places like Walmart to accept returns of CDs and DVDs. If I was able to buy stuff, discover it is shit, and then return it for refund, I would not need to follow my current practice of downloading-before-buying. It's a crime against the consumer to force them to keep a product they don't like.
Prior to the internet I wasted sooooo much money on crappy movies and music albums. Now I don't need to. I only buy it if I like it. ----- And don't give me shit about reading reviews. Most of those reviews are corporate-written and can not be trusted. I only trust my own eyes and ears.
>>>He has handle this as best as any president could be reasonably expected to.
Yes Bush handled the Katrina emergency as best as he could, but that doesn't stop Democrats from bashing him all these years later. It's a bit hypocritical for you (or anyone) to say it's wrong to criticize the current president, and then turn right round and criticize the previous president an hour later. It's also hypocritical to say it's wrong to portray Obama as a Nazi, when Bush was called a Nazi for most of the decade. "Do as we say, not as we acted during Bush's regime." Is that the motto?
If it was okay to treat Bush as shit and blame him for the Katrina destruction, then it's certainly okay to treat Obama similarly. That's consistency.
>>>If the federal government with it's unlimited resources repeatedly made threats like that to you, including threats of changing laws to retroactively (post facto) increase your penalties for something and threats of driving you into bankruptcy, and then asked you to do one thing to make it all stop, what the hell are you going to do? >>>
Well as a PERSON I would tell them to "bring it on" and use the Constitution as my shield, my friends in the patriot movement as my sword, and my faith in the American people & the jury of peers to block the government from smashing me underfoot and violating the Bill of Rights.
As a soulless corporation I'd just hand-over the money like BP did. It's cheaper to bribe a politician than fight him.
Perhaps he considers his Oath to the Constitution to be more important?
To allow a single man to extract money from a corporation, without due process, is to create a lawless society. That is treading dangerous ground. When the Roman Republic and Julius Caesar tread upon that ground, it eventually led to a dictatorship and the death of democracy (the elected Senate became powerless) for over 1500 years.
What about the Democrat Congressman who physically assaulted, plus grabbed by the neck and put in a chokehold, a student asking questions?
Perhaps your moral code is different from mine, but I think there's a HUGE difference between a guy who thinks it is wrong for a president to have power to extract money from a company (no due process of law), and a guy who commits a criminal act on a public DC street. (But of course the Democrats' actions were a-okay and the TV media doesn't discuss them at all - instead they just keep replaying the Republican over and over.)
Longer than that. The DOW Index did not return to 1928 levels until the 1950s. So we're really talking about a generation-long period of economic woes..... kinda similar to Japan's economy since 1990. (Keynesian spending sprees didn't help them either - it just drove them deeper into debt.)
>>>Consider this week the news is full of European countries enacting substantial budget cuts. We know that's the wrong thing to do.
"We" do? Not all of us agree. I'd estimate about 1/3rd of economists say cutting spending & taxes is the Correct thing to do, because it frees excess money to the private sector who can use it to invest in new factories and jobs and personal goods. In fact that's why the Depression of 1921 only lasted a year - the government cut spending/taxes and it freed-up money to be invested (at the corporate level) and spent (at the consumer level).
The EU states are doing precisely the right thing according to the Hayek, Friedman, and Austrian economic models.
The one question nobody has asked in this whole thread:
- Where did the U.S. Constitution give authority to suspend an industry like this?
It isn't the executive branch. It's the legislative branch. Obama exercised a power that he was never given. Perhaps in time of declared war the president could claim extra emergency powers, but not in a time of peace. A suspension on deep-water drilling can only be done by the U.S. Congress via passage of a law.
>>>Expiring the Patriot Act would have had severe political results (aka political suicide).
Don't care. Obama should have vetoed its renewal. Sometimes principal matters more than whether or not you get reelected in 2012. .
>>>As I recall, the Miranda Act issue was the removal of applying them to terror suspects (revoking their citizenship...))
Which means ANYBODY'S citizenship can be revoked, and YOU no longer have a Bill of Rights protecting you from government abuse. The whole idea of revoking citizenship is absurd, and sounds like what FDR did to asian-Americans in the 1940s (put them in concentration camps and took their homes without due process), or what Woodrow Wilson did to Suffragettes during the 1910s (took-away first amendment rights).
I don't see how you or anyone else can justify these actions
No. A lot of persons who claim to be conservatives (like George Bush) are actually liberals. The Reps and Dems are simply two halves of the same party - the Big Government Party.
A true conservative party would be the Libertarians. And possibly the Constitution Party. Certainly not the R's or D's.
>>>how does that relate to disconecting infected machines?
That's not what the article said. The article said the government (via the ISP) would disconnect any machine, even healthy ones, that were not running antivirus and firewall software. They are using force upon citizens, as if they were serfs.
In what way is a 2 or 2.5 gigahertz Dual PowerPC CPU an "aging system"? Good grief. I can buy brand-new machines that are equivalent to that in Staples. That's not aging - that's still current technology. Next I suppose you'll tell me I should throw-out my 2007 Civic.
No the real blame goes to Adobe because their Flash 10 was poorly programmed that it needs 3000 megahertz to run at full speed. Bloat.
>>>I really wish that people who are so into constitutional/bill of rights issues would at least do the rest of the world a favor and get a passing knowledge of the subject first.
Says the person who doesn't understand this is really a TENTH amendment issue from the Bill of Rights. Does Congress have the power to take public domain works like Tom Sawyer and move it back into copyright?
>>>Copyright... "you're not allowed to say that, because I said it first"
True. However per usual the Courts are blind and do not see the Ninth and Tenth Amendments. Congress was never granted the power to take public domain art or writings and convert them into copyrighted art/writing. They may not take the Venus de Milo and copyright it to MGM. Congress may not use power it was never given.
Such powers are reserved to the Member State governments, or the People.
Yeah, how terrible of Adobe to not support 10 year old obsolete PowerPC computer systems!
No comment. I just wanted to highlight this. I didn't realize it's been 10 years since PPC Macs stopped being sold? Wow. Amazing. It's too bad you didn't post with your real name, so I could mod you +1 informative.
What would be wiser is for Adobe to make decent software that can run on a PowerPC and play Youtube/Flash 10 video at proper speed, instead of in slow motion.
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They will subtract the nudity. NSFW. These were the best stills I could find. They look a lot better on the giant silver screen:
http://www.moviesnxs.com/web/thumbnails/tn-Jenny-Agutter_logans-run_25-02-06.jpg
http://rarevideos.bravepages.com/JennyAgutter@Walkabout.JPG
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PWR3w2VkSZs/SNAbQiLWStI/AAAAAAAAA7s/2mxn62WhWWY/s400/JennyAgutterLogansRun.jpg
So the Republicans have sold out to British Petroleum.
And the Democrats have sold out to Microsoft, MGM, and other copyright-loving megacorps.
I liked that movie. A better example might be Uwe Boll's "Alone in the Dark" or "House of the Dead". You buy this crap from Walmart. Should you be forced to keep it? No.
I don't care if some future government law merely says Walmart has to give me store credit - it's still better than throwing-away $15 on shit. Hell even candy bar makers warranty their products ("if unsatisfied return the unused portion for a refund"). Why can't record and movie companies follow that example?
>>>How is it a "crime"?
In nearly-all jurisdictions it is a crime for a company to sell an inferior product and then refuse to refund money. Even in "as is" cases the courts have ruled that the company must refund the customer, if the company claimed the product was working but in fact did not work. The legal system is designed to protect the customer and charge companies with crimes if they don't obey these laws. (See U.S. v. Warner Records, Sony, et al. from ten years ago.)
.
>>>Was the product exactly as it was advertised when sold?
No. We all know that movies/music are advertised in a manner that makes them appear better than they are. How many times I've heard people say, "The only good parts of the movie were in the ad. The rest was crap."
There's a radio host named Alex Jones who gives his stuff away for free (via internet) or for purchase (physical copy), but he doesn't seem to be going bankrupt. He still rakes-in plenty of cash. There are probably other examples, but Jones is the first one that popped into my head.
POINT: Just because the net exists doesn't mean the company will disappear. There are enough people who prefer physical product (like me) that they will continue raking-in millions each year. For them to claim they "lose" is ridiculous. There was no cost to them when I downloaded that Britney song, and even if the net didn't exist, I wouldn't buy her crap anyway.
>>>the same corporations that are waging a campaign to bankrupt college students, instead of working to making college education more affordable.
College already is damn cheap. At state schools about half the tuition is covered by taxpayers. Plus your professors earn very little salary and would actually be better-off quitting & going to work in industry (about $30,000 per year more). And the room rental works out to just $11-12 per night.
I think college is actually quite cheap, and I wish we could have a similar privatized model at the K-12 level. (Gov't schools cost ~$10,000 each year - private is only $3500.)
If the government was acting in OUR interest, it would force places like Walmart to accept returns of CDs and DVDs. If I was able to buy stuff, discover it is shit, and then return it for refund, I would not need to follow my current practice of downloading-before-buying. It's a crime against the consumer to force them to keep a product they don't like.
Prior to the internet I wasted sooooo much money on crappy movies and music albums. Now I don't need to. I only buy it if I like it. ----- And don't give me shit about reading reviews. Most of those reviews are corporate-written and can not be trusted. I only trust my own eyes and ears.
>>>He has handle this as best as any president could be reasonably expected to.
Yes Bush handled the Katrina emergency as best as he could, but that doesn't stop Democrats from bashing him all these years later. It's a bit hypocritical for you (or anyone) to say it's wrong to criticize the current president, and then turn right round and criticize the previous president an hour later. It's also hypocritical to say it's wrong to portray Obama as a Nazi, when Bush was called a Nazi for most of the decade. "Do as we say, not as we acted during Bush's regime." Is that the motto?
If it was okay to treat Bush as shit and blame him for the Katrina destruction, then it's certainly okay to treat Obama similarly. That's consistency.
>>>If the federal government with it's unlimited resources repeatedly made threats like that to you, including threats of changing laws to retroactively (post facto) increase your penalties for something and threats of driving you into bankruptcy, and then asked you to do one thing to make it all stop, what the hell are you going to do?
>>>
Well as a PERSON I would tell them to "bring it on" and use the Constitution as my shield, my friends in the patriot movement as my sword, and my faith in the American people & the jury of peers to block the government from smashing me underfoot and violating the Bill of Rights.
As a soulless corporation I'd just hand-over the money like BP did.
It's cheaper to bribe a politician than fight him.
>>>They can always go home and screw up their own if they don't like the way the game is played here.
"Some British citizens feel this hatred is being directed at them." - BBC World News
Perhaps he considers his Oath to the Constitution to be more important?
To allow a single man to extract money from a corporation, without due process, is to create a lawless society. That is treading dangerous ground. When the Roman Republic and Julius Caesar tread upon that ground, it eventually led to a dictatorship and the death of democracy (the elected Senate became powerless) for over 1500 years.
What about the Democrat Congressman who physically assaulted, plus grabbed by the neck and put in a chokehold, a student asking questions?
Perhaps your moral code is different from mine, but I think there's a HUGE difference between a guy who thinks it is wrong for a president to have power to extract money from a company (no due process of law), and a guy who commits a criminal act on a public DC street. (But of course the Democrats' actions were a-okay and the TV media doesn't discuss them at all - instead they just keep replaying the Republican over and over.)
>>>Great Depression to persist for 15 years
Longer than that. The DOW Index did not return to 1928 levels until the 1950s. So we're really talking about a generation-long period of economic woes..... kinda similar to Japan's economy since 1990. (Keynesian spending sprees didn't help them either - it just drove them deeper into debt.)
>>>Consider this week the news is full of European countries enacting substantial budget cuts. We know that's the wrong thing to do.
"We" do? Not all of us agree. I'd estimate about 1/3rd of economists say cutting spending & taxes is the Correct thing to do, because it frees excess money to the private sector who can use it to invest in new factories and jobs and personal goods. In fact that's why the Depression of 1921 only lasted a year - the government cut spending/taxes and it freed-up money to be invested (at the corporate level) and spent (at the consumer level).
The EU states are doing precisely the right thing according to the Hayek, Friedman, and Austrian economic models.
The one question nobody has asked in this whole thread:
- Where did the U.S. Constitution give authority to suspend an industry like this?
It isn't the executive branch. It's the legislative branch. Obama exercised a power that he was never given. Perhaps in time of declared war the president could claim extra emergency powers, but not in a time of peace. A suspension on deep-water drilling can only be done by the U.S. Congress via passage of a law.
>>>Expiring the Patriot Act would have had severe political results (aka political suicide).
Don't care. Obama should have vetoed its renewal. Sometimes principal matters more than whether or not you get reelected in 2012.
.
>>>As I recall, the Miranda Act issue was the removal of applying them to terror suspects (revoking their citizenship...))
Which means ANYBODY'S citizenship can be revoked, and YOU no longer have a Bill of Rights protecting you from government abuse. The whole idea of revoking citizenship is absurd, and sounds like what FDR did to asian-Americans in the 1940s (put them in concentration camps and took their homes without due process), or what Woodrow Wilson did to Suffragettes during the 1910s (took-away first amendment rights).
I don't see how you or anyone else can justify these actions
No. A lot of persons who claim to be conservatives (like George Bush) are actually liberals. The Reps and Dems are simply two halves of the same party - the Big Government Party.
A true conservative party would be the Libertarians. And possibly the Constitution Party. Certainly not the R's or D's.
>>>how does that relate to disconecting infected machines?
That's not what the article said. The article said the government (via the ISP) would disconnect any machine, even healthy ones, that were not running antivirus and firewall software. They are using force upon citizens, as if they were serfs.
LINK:
http://forums.macrumors.com/maintenance.html?t=587946
>>>aging system
In what way is a 2 or 2.5 gigahertz Dual PowerPC CPU an "aging system"? Good grief. I can buy brand-new machines that are equivalent to that in Staples. That's not aging - that's still current technology. Next I suppose you'll tell me I should throw-out my 2007 Civic.
No the real blame goes to Adobe because their Flash 10 was poorly programmed that it needs 3000 megahertz to run at full speed. Bloat.
By your (illogical) reasoning Congress could copyright the Venus de Milo and give it to a company like MGM.
>>>I really wish that people who are so into constitutional/bill of rights issues would at least do the rest of the world a favor and get a passing knowledge of the subject first.
Says the person who doesn't understand this is really a TENTH amendment issue from the Bill of Rights. Does Congress have the power to take public domain works like Tom Sawyer and move it back into copyright?
No.
>>>Copyright... "you're not allowed to say that, because I said it first"
True. However per usual the Courts are blind and do not see the Ninth and Tenth Amendments. Congress was never granted the power to take public domain art or writings and convert them into copyrighted art/writing. They may not take the Venus de Milo and copyright it to MGM. Congress may not use power it was never given.
Such powers are reserved to the Member State governments, or the People.
Anonymous Coward wrote:
Yeah, how terrible of Adobe to not support 10 year old obsolete PowerPC computer systems!
No comment. I just wanted to highlight this. I didn't realize it's been 10 years since PPC Macs stopped being sold? Wow. Amazing. It's too bad you didn't post with your real name, so I could mod you +1 informative.
P.S.
What would be wiser is for Adobe to make decent software that can run on a PowerPC and play Youtube/Flash 10 video at proper speed, instead of in slow motion.