Since the ground is private ground, the owner of the cemetery should call the police (quietly), have the protesters surrounded, and then arrested for trespassing.
>>>Especially if they're in a required lecture rather then something extracurricular.
Very few lectures in college are required. The students could have left. Or stuffed Ipods in their ears. Or whatever.
And in the rare case where this might have been a "required" lecture, there's a reason for it - because they prof wants the students to listen to the speaker's words. Therefore the professor should have told the students to shut-up, stop acting like teeny-boppers, and try to act like the adults they are. Or else, earn an automatic 25% reduction off their next exam.
And if they complained "that's not fair", then I'd tell them straight up, "No it isn't fair. It isn't fair that my friend here drove 2 hours and spent 1 or 2 hours preparing a speech, only to be shouted down. He is a GUEST to this classroom, and you have shown him disrespect. A 25% reduction is your punishment for being an asshole that lacks basic human manners. I don't tolerate rude behavior in my classroom or towards my friends/guests."
>>>Does freedom of speech require that people not drown you out?
It does when you've been invited to a lecture, spent a lot of time preparing the speech and/or driving to the location, and then they shout you down. That's roughly-equivalent to inviting a person to a party and then when they show-up, you throw a bucket of paint on them (see Stephen King's "Carrie"). Another Example: I remember when I had a job interview, and I spent about an hour getting dressed, drove 2 hours (roundtrip) to get there, and it only lasted 5 minutes because the boss looked at the resume and said, "I don't think we can use you." That was just plain rude. He could have reviewed my resume before I showed up, or even phone-screened me first.
Anyway it was rude of the students to waste another person's time like that. He was invited, and he should have been shown the same respect as Al Gore would have received if he had been invited to discuss global warming. If they didn't like what he had to say, they could have left quietly instead of acting like junior high teeny-boppers.
>>>Try speaking out against abortion at a university some day.
I don't do protests anymore, but when I used to encounter that kind of resistance, I followed this script:
- "If you're so certain that you are right, why are you afraid???" - "I'm not afraid." - "Then prove it. Prove you are not afraid by letting me speak."
If they quiet down I finish expressing my thoughts. If they are not quiet then I tell them point blank, "You are no better than the Iran Shah. He too is a coward. He too is afraid of other people's ideas. That's why he kills people to silence them, and you are no better than he is," and then sit down and wait until they leave the area.
>>Repugs? Tell us what you really think of 33% of your fellow citizens.
Maybe he think we "Repugs" have been "teabagging" again? I'm not sure why that's supposed to be an insult? I love sucking women's teabags. (shrug). Well what more can you expect from "Demons"? Or Progs?
Speaking for myself I'd rather join the "Minarchies" aka Libertarians, but in a strange twist of fate my true political views are best-expressed by the Democratic Party's founder - Thomas Jefferson. Too bad none of the Democrats bother to read their founder's words, because he was against censorship of Seditious Speech, and he'd be against censorship of Hate Speech as well. It violates the tenth amendment of the U.S. Constitution (Congress has no power to regulate speech), and it violates most local State constitutions too.
>>>Hate speech, especially published hate speech, serves no purpose other than to degrade, criminalize or deter a particular person, race, or gender.
Oh really? During the 1790s several Americans who criticized the John Adam's presidency were called a "hate speakers". Well they didn't have that term then, preferring to call it "seditious speech", but it was the equivalent - they labeled those criticisms as having no purpose and therefore people were jailed for exercising their opinions, including Benjamin's Franklin's grandson.
If you give government power to stop hate speech (or seditious speech), then you give government the power to stop ANY speech that they don't like - such as saying Bush's War is bogus (hello jail) or Obama's Healthcare is monopoly (hello jail again). The Democratic Party was born when Jefferson and others decided to take power and reverse the Sedition Act.
I find it ironic that the same party is now trying to restore the Sedition Act - a different name but still the same effect.
I saw a video on youtube where a guy was invited to a university to talk about immigration issues, and his own group's belief that the Mexico/Canadian borders should be closed, except for those who obtain a legal Visa for entrance. After about 10 minutes the students started shouting at him so he could no longer finish his prepared remarks, and he asked, "Don't you believe in free speech?" and one of them yelled, "Not when it's hate speech." The professor then walked-over and apologized to the speaker.
Since when is saying, "We should enforce the Congressional laws," considered hate speech? Also speech is not free, if you're only allowed to say what is "approved" speech by whatever group is in power (the students). That sounds like pure censorship to me - if you don't like what you hear, chain the person's mouth and shut him up.
PS1 and PS2 can also be considered a "format" because you could not play the games without the player, each of which sold ~110 and ~150 million units... more than any other console. (The next best-selling console was Super Nintendo at 60 million.)
And then there's Umatic and Betacam, which were THE standards used by professionals. When you watch an old 70s, 80s, or 90s show you're probably watching Sony Umatic or Betacam. Although both these analog formats have been phased-out, Sony still produces DigiBetacam for capturing SD and HDTV.
>>>Spore, Crysis and Bioshock are all free, but got all kinds of bad press because some illegitimately-sold non-free copies included patented DRM software. >>>
This sentence confuses me. What are you talking about? Free? Non-free? DRM? Spore, Crysis, Bioshock? What do these things have to do with one another?
Corridors in ships serve the same purpose as hallways in homes - to move from one room to another.
The corridors in the original Star Trek were practical. In the Next Generation it was an example of how "soft" the Federation had become, and Q said as much during his forced encounter with the Borg. Enterprise-D was almost like a luxury liner (see season 1's final episode where a guy compares the ship to the QE2).
>>>Would you pay to see a story about a guy who went about his day in the future and didnt have any problems
No but that doesn't mean you have to go extreme either. I thought the best Science Stories were those that took ordinary genres, but set them in the future:
- Elijah Baley - a detective solving a murder in the year ~3,000
- Tekwar - a detective solving crimes in ~2020
- The Road Must Roll - a worker strike in the year ~2050
- I Robot - a collection of short stories where a household appliance (robot) goes haywire, and the engineer's attempt to find why the problem happened.
And so on. Science stories are best when they are tied to reality. It doesn't have to be some "nightmarish reality" to quote the grandparent..
A friend of mine who films his own movies has a corriodor in his basement. He says that corridor is one of his primary sets.
The same was true with Trek. If they weren't on the bridge, they were in some damn corridor. One of the things I liked about DS9 and Babylon 5 was that they had lots of "open" sets, and tried to avoid corridors as much as possible.
What kind of eyesight problems do you have which prevent you from seeing 3D? My father is missing an eye (accident as kid), so he obviously doesn't see three-d but still can enjoy the movie.
aside -
I still have the stereoscope glasses from when I saw Disney's Lost World 3D theatrical movie. Do these things have any monetary value, or should I just toss them?
Well if Gore can lay claim to "creating" the internet, then I'm going to make a bold public announcement. Reporters, please gather round:
- "During my service as a stockholding American, I took the initiative in creating the Microsoft corporation. I bought their stock in 1983. You can all send your letters of thanks to my office." (holds up V for victory symbol)
Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? Sounded ridiculous when Gore said it too.
>>>So the Internet...sprung fourth, wholly formed in 1969?
Yes. The basic protocols were born in 1969 and are still the foundation. Actually I (and others) would not have had a problem if Gore had said, "I took the initiative in funding and growing the Internet," like a grandma helps grows a child. ----- But that's not what he said. He said he CREATED the internet - like a god saying "Let there be man." He cannot make that claim of creation, anymore than I could make the claim I "created" Microsoft just because I happened to buy stock ten years after their genesis.
And appeals to authority don't work with me. He's a man just like any other man, and his opinions are still just opinion, and still colored by his political bias, just as the same as our views are colored by our biases.
>>>Bush
Non-relevant. We're not playing a Red vs. Blue game. Nobody's keeping score. We're discussing the factual claim made by a public figure about giving birth to the Internet, and whether it's accurate or not.
Good point. My DSL isn't really any faster than my dialup (in terms of loading webpages), but the DSL does have the advantage of always being on, rather than having to wait 30 seconds to dial a number, negotiate a speed, and then connect.
Technically Americans didn't have free local calls either (they cost 10 cents per call). However we had the option to pay a flatrate $10/month and get unlimited calling, so I took advantage of that. I'm surprised the UK, France and other European states did not have similar options.
The Vulcans and Romulans are the same species, only separated by 2000 years divergence on separate planets. The Asians that crossed the landbridge 15,000 years ago and became Native Americans were separated from Europeans all that time, but they were not considered a separate species. They still successfully mated and produced children.
>>>You have that exactly backwards. Broadband is speed, not a technology.
False. Broadband is shorthand for "broad bandwidth of frequencies" and narrowband is a "narrow bandwidth of frequencies". It's neither speed nor technology, but relates to how wide the frequency range is. The definition varies but in general:
Narrowband == 8 kilohertz (telephone) or 10 kilohertz (AM radio) or 20 kilohertz (wide AM)
Broadband == much greater than those numbers, usually 100 kilohertz or more, like FM or DSL. Cable uses 6000 kilohertz wide channels.
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Ooops. Replace "Shah" with "Ayatollah"
Since the ground is private ground, the owner of the cemetery should call the police (quietly), have the protesters surrounded, and then arrested for trespassing.
>>>Especially if they're in a required lecture rather then something extracurricular.
Very few lectures in college are required. The students could have left. Or stuffed Ipods in their ears. Or whatever.
And in the rare case where this might have been a "required" lecture, there's a reason for it - because they prof wants the students to listen to the speaker's words. Therefore the professor should have told the students to shut-up, stop acting like teeny-boppers, and try to act like the adults they are. Or else, earn an automatic 25% reduction off their next exam.
And if they complained "that's not fair", then I'd tell them straight up, "No it isn't fair. It isn't fair that my friend here drove 2 hours and spent 1 or 2 hours preparing a speech, only to be shouted down. He is a GUEST to this classroom, and you have shown him disrespect. A 25% reduction is your punishment for being an asshole that lacks basic human manners. I don't tolerate rude behavior in my classroom or towards my friends/guests."
>>>Does freedom of speech require that people not drown you out?
It does when you've been invited to a lecture, spent a lot of time preparing the speech and/or driving to the location, and then they shout you down. That's roughly-equivalent to inviting a person to a party and then when they show-up, you throw a bucket of paint on them (see Stephen King's "Carrie"). Another Example: I remember when I had a job interview, and I spent about an hour getting dressed, drove 2 hours (roundtrip) to get there, and it only lasted 5 minutes because the boss looked at the resume and said, "I don't think we can use you." That was just plain rude. He could have reviewed my resume before I showed up, or even phone-screened me first.
Anyway it was rude of the students to waste another person's time like that. He was invited, and he should have been shown the same respect as Al Gore would have received if he had been invited to discuss global warming. If they didn't like what he had to say, they could have left quietly instead of acting like junior high teeny-boppers.
>>>Try speaking out against abortion at a university some day.
I don't do protests anymore, but when I used to encounter that kind of resistance, I followed this script:
- "If you're so certain that you are right, why are you afraid???"
- "I'm not afraid."
- "Then prove it. Prove you are not afraid by letting me speak."
If they quiet down I finish expressing my thoughts. If they are not quiet then I tell them point blank, "You are no better than the Iran Shah. He too is a coward. He too is afraid of other people's ideas. That's why he kills people to silence them, and you are no better than he is," and then sit down and wait until they leave the area.
>>>>>Repugs
>>Repugs? Tell us what you really think of 33% of your fellow citizens.
Maybe he think we "Repugs" have been "teabagging" again? I'm not sure why that's supposed to be an insult? I love sucking women's teabags. (shrug). Well what more can you expect from "Demons"? Or Progs?
Speaking for myself I'd rather join the "Minarchies" aka Libertarians, but in a strange twist of fate my true political views are best-expressed by the Democratic Party's founder - Thomas Jefferson. Too bad none of the Democrats bother to read their founder's words, because he was against censorship of Seditious Speech, and he'd be against censorship of Hate Speech as well. It violates the tenth amendment of the U.S. Constitution (Congress has no power to regulate speech), and it violates most local State constitutions too.
>>>Hate speech, especially published hate speech, serves no purpose other than to degrade, criminalize or deter a particular person, race, or gender.
Oh really? During the 1790s several Americans who criticized the John Adam's presidency were called a "hate speakers". Well they didn't have that term then, preferring to call it "seditious speech", but it was the equivalent - they labeled those criticisms as having no purpose and therefore people were jailed for exercising their opinions, including Benjamin's Franklin's grandson.
If you give government power to stop hate speech (or seditious speech), then you give government the power to stop ANY speech that they don't like - such as saying Bush's War is bogus (hello jail) or Obama's Healthcare is monopoly (hello jail again). The Democratic Party was born when Jefferson and others decided to take power and reverse the Sedition Act.
I find it ironic that the same party is now trying to restore the Sedition Act - a different name but still the same effect.
I hope.
I saw a video on youtube where a guy was invited to a university to talk about immigration issues, and his own group's belief that the Mexico/Canadian borders should be closed, except for those who obtain a legal Visa for entrance. After about 10 minutes the students started shouting at him so he could no longer finish his prepared remarks, and he asked, "Don't you believe in free speech?" and one of them yelled, "Not when it's hate speech." The professor then walked-over and apologized to the speaker.
Since when is saying, "We should enforce the Congressional laws," considered hate speech? Also speech is not free, if you're only allowed to say what is "approved" speech by whatever group is in power (the students). That sounds like pure censorship to me - if you don't like what you hear, chain the person's mouth and shut him up.
>>>bluray: Sony started the spec but it was a collaboration between many companies.
By that logic, no company has successfully "won" with their spec... not even JVC (VHS).
PS1 and PS2 can also be considered a "format" because you could not play the games without the player, each of which sold ~110 and ~150 million units... more than any other console. (The next best-selling console was Super Nintendo at 60 million.)
And then there's Umatic and Betacam, which were THE standards used by professionals. When you watch an old 70s, 80s, or 90s show you're probably watching Sony Umatic or Betacam. Although both these analog formats have been phased-out, Sony still produces DigiBetacam for capturing SD and HDTV.
"This is patent leather."
"These are patent shoes."
"This is a polyester leisure suit."
"This is a disco where I score patent chicks."
>>>Spore, Crysis and Bioshock are all free, but got all kinds of bad press because some illegitimately-sold non-free copies included patented DRM software.
>>>
This sentence confuses me. What are you talking about? Free? Non-free? DRM? Spore, Crysis, Bioshock? What do these things have to do with one another?
(crawls back under rock)
Corridors in ships serve the same purpose as hallways in homes - to move from one room to another.
The corridors in the original Star Trek were practical. In the Next Generation it was an example of how "soft" the Federation had become, and Q said as much during his forced encounter with the Borg. Enterprise-D was almost like a luxury liner (see season 1's final episode where a guy compares the ship to the QE2).
No I'm not really into "siffy", whatever that's supposed to be. I prefer science stories.
>>>Would you pay to see a story about a guy who went about his day in the future and didnt have any problems
No but that doesn't mean you have to go extreme either. I thought the best Science Stories were those that took ordinary genres, but set them in the future:
- Elijah Baley - a detective solving a murder in the year ~3,000
- Tekwar - a detective solving crimes in ~2020
- The Road Must Roll - a worker strike in the year ~2050
- I Robot - a collection of short stories where a household appliance (robot) goes haywire, and the engineer's attempt to find why the problem happened.
And so on. Science stories are best when they are tied to reality. It doesn't have to be some "nightmarish reality" to quote the grandparent..
A friend of mine who films his own movies has a corriodor in his basement. He says that corridor is one of his primary sets.
The same was true with Trek. If they weren't on the bridge, they were in some damn corridor. One of the things I liked about DS9 and Babylon 5 was that they had lots of "open" sets, and tried to avoid corridors as much as possible.
What kind of eyesight problems do you have which prevent you from seeing 3D? My father is missing an eye (accident as kid), so he obviously doesn't see three-d but still can enjoy the movie.
aside -
I still have the stereoscope glasses from when I saw Disney's Lost World 3D theatrical movie. Do these things have any monetary value, or should I just toss them?
>>>>> It took me 4 days to drive from Boston to Seattle
>>I used to have a car like that. Took me 4 days to cross Belgium.
(blinks) Um. Okay. Boston to Seattle is over 3000 miles and takes 46 hours acccording to this mapquest search - http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Boston&1s=MA&2c=Seattle&2s=WA
Well if Gore can lay claim to "creating" the internet, then I'm going to make a bold public announcement. Reporters, please gather round:
- "During my service as a stockholding American, I took the initiative in creating the Microsoft corporation. I bought their stock in 1983. You can all send your letters of thanks to my office." (holds up V for victory symbol)
Sounds ridiculous doesn't it?
Sounded ridiculous when Gore said it too.
>>>So the Internet...sprung fourth, wholly formed in 1969?
Yes. The basic protocols were born in 1969 and are still the foundation. Actually I (and others) would not have had a problem if Gore had said, "I took the initiative in funding and growing the Internet," like a grandma helps grows a child. ----- But that's not what he said. He said he CREATED the internet - like a god saying "Let there be man." He cannot make that claim of creation, anymore than I could make the claim I "created" Microsoft just because I happened to buy stock ten years after their genesis.
And appeals to authority don't work with me. He's a man just like any other man, and his opinions are still just opinion, and still colored by his political bias, just as the same as our views are colored by our biases.
>>>Bush
Non-relevant. We're not playing a Red vs. Blue game. Nobody's keeping score. We're discussing the factual claim made by a public figure about giving birth to the Internet, and whether it's accurate or not.
Good point. My DSL isn't really any faster than my dialup (in terms of loading webpages), but the DSL does have the advantage of always being on, rather than having to wait 30 seconds to dial a number, negotiate a speed, and then connect.
Technically Americans didn't have free local calls either (they cost 10 cents per call). However we had the option to pay a flatrate $10/month and get unlimited calling, so I took advantage of that. I'm surprised the UK, France and other European states did not have similar options.
The Vulcans and Romulans are the same species, only separated by 2000 years divergence on separate planets. The Asians that crossed the landbridge 15,000 years ago and became Native Americans were separated from Europeans all that time, but they were not considered a separate species. They still successfully mated and produced children.
(looks). She's definitely not shaved. That's why there's that "gray triangle" between her legs.
>>>You have that exactly backwards. Broadband is speed, not a technology.
False. Broadband is shorthand for "broad bandwidth of frequencies" and narrowband is a "narrow bandwidth of frequencies". It's neither speed nor technology, but relates to how wide the frequency range is. The definition varies but in general:
Narrowband == 8 kilohertz (telephone) or 10 kilohertz (AM radio) or 20 kilohertz (wide AM)
Broadband == much greater than those numbers, usually 100 kilohertz or more, like FM or DSL. Cable uses 6000 kilohertz wide channels.