> It was close. So close. Another month, maybe two at most, to fix the most glaring standards-compliance and stability bugs. That's all it would have taken.
This is true for every project. But there is a day where you have to ship. If they had waited a couple of month, then there would still have been a few remaining bugs. You would have whinned the same way.
See how linux 2.4 is slipping. More than a year late. Sure, it doesn't matter, it is free software. But for netscape6, it matters. The marketshare is almost 100% IE. In a few month, the web would be IE only. Be glad they released something. Be _very_ glad.
> If Netscape killed Mozilla funding, that would be a very serious blow which Mozilla might not survive.
Sure. It'll die overnight and get forgotten, like linux, freebsd, gnome, KDE or debian.
NO. If netscape stopped funding, it'll loose developers. It would be pretty hard, but I highly doubt it would be fatal. (And I am sure that there are half a dozen highly succesfull companies out there that have a vested interest into fighting against IE and would found the Mozilla project almost instantly...)
> Well, if you have 4 GB of RAM and 50 GB of disk space, you might be able to find out.:-)
The article said the hardware was a Quad-Xeaon with 1Gb of RAM. I beleive that ORACLE may be able to get past the fabulous 3 request per-second MySQL / PostgreSQL did...
> What I noticed was that as you increased the number of clients, the total number of requests served increased, while the number of requests per client was lower - which is exactly what should happen - the performance decreases as the number of clients increases.
What *I* noticed is that in one graph the number of request *per*second* increseased for PostgreSQL. And this does not look right, so the original poster is quite right.
> The problem is that you don't know how to read a graph.
Compare graphs on page 3 and page 4. Then come back explaining us how *you* read those graphs.
Interpreting profiling results is a very difficult task. In that case, I suspect that it is impossible without getting the hands on the test configuration to try various alternative loads. Results are (IMHO) too strange to be accepted without further investigation.
But, as always in the case of database server choices, nothing replace real world test. You should test the various servers on *your* data.
Frankly, I found the numbers quoted in the article ridiculously low. But as we don't know te volumetry of the data, the hardware used, the database cache size, etc, etc, this boils down to 'someone found PostgreSQL better than MySQL for its usage'.
It is not uncommon to have orders of magnitude performance differences between databases. I would love to know how what a tuned ORACLE would get.
> While you may not expect this, the law stated explicitly that in this case you have no legal expectation of privacy on a public street.
This is because we don't live in the same country. In france, AFAIK, this won't be admissible by a court (which is, I beleive, a good thing).
Btw, by saying "I don't expect", I wanted to imply that, while I know there are a lot of camera out there, the chances that I am recorded, that the videtapes are released, and that the information is used is rather slim.
More precisely, I don't fear the public camera because there are not much of them (relatively. I mean that I can resonably expect not beeing tracked every second), because the information is hard to extract, and because the information is hardly avalaible.
My english is f*cked, the keyword in the original sentence was 'a camera somewhere spying *everything* I do'. When surfing on the web, the logs contains *everything*. This is scary. If the real-world cameras were spying *everything* I do, then it would be a huge privacy issue...
> Just recently I have downloaded the latest milestone build M18 (Linux i586) and it is good
And nightly builds are (IMHO) better. Try them, if you have a broadband connection.
Anyone that did not download anything after M16, should give it another try. It is still visually ugly, have a slow interface (but a fast rendering), is not as nice as IE on macos, but can definitely be used for everyday browsing (I, for one, dropped IE for Mozilla).
> Hello? If you access the internet via a public resource such as a school or publid library, then you shouldn't expect much privacy. As stated, these are logged and as such, are public property subject to the FOI act. Seems like a no-brainer.
Uh ? TYhe question is why is the library keeping the logs ? If I walk on the street, for instance, I don't expect a camera somewhere spying everything I do, and then giving that information to anyone. So, yes, this is, IMHO, a privacy issue.
> You're being just stupid. A human's rights begin when he/she is born?
AFAIK, Yes.
> So that means it is OK to kill a baby the day before its due?
Every argument, when pushed to its extreme, is silly. This is the reason why an abortion is legal only during the first few weeks (and it would be really impracticable after).
But basically, yes.
Anyway the "murder-of-the-unborn" argument looks equally stupid. What if a pregnant women lost her baby naturally ? Say she did a long travel by train, and lost her baby a couple of weeks later (the baby may probably not have been lost if she stayed in her bed for the 9 month of pregnancy) ? She killed someone ? She should be put in jail ? Sentenced to death if it happened a few times ?
Note that loosing the foetus in the first weeks is a _extremely_ common thing. How the law should deal with that ?
> That's right, and you and most "pro-choicers" take the cowardly route of refusing to make an ethical or religious decision on this issue
First, he was arguing with biological facts. I was replying that it is an ethical issue. So *I* was the one that wanted to make the debate ethical.
Second, I don't see how a religious decision could affect me, as I am profoundly atheist. I mean that *if* the bottom of the issue is religious, then everyone should deal with it in conscience, in which case abortion have to be legal.
Third, I make an ethical decision on this issue, so I definitely don't understand you:
"Women have the right to decide wether they wan't an abortion or not because the baby is growing in their body"
This is a simple as that. Their body. Their baby. The father have its words to say, but the final decision is the one of the women.
> What doesn't make any sense at all is each woman determining the personhood of her unborn child on a case by case basis.
So let's say that an 'unborn' child is just that (not born). You are an undead man, and I don't consider you as dead. The baby don't exist, may never exist, and in fact is not even a baby. Woman have not to decide if the so-called 'unborn' child is a person, but only if they want an abortion.
> As with most liberals,
That's fun. Now I am a liberal. Thanks for the info.
Nothing blazingly new in the article, but having cnn coverage of that is nice.
Note that Carbon is not supposed to work on i386 now (while Darwin and the Cocoa environment does). Quartz (the window manager) either. So it may be a little more trouble than the ports that NeXT did.
Anyway, the real killer that apple have is the Yellow Box. It is the Cocoa environment on Windows, and this would be a very very smart move to make it avalaible again (in that case, people could write windows apps in Cocoa). Without that, the developer mindshare of apple is going to shrink more and more (because hard-core mac developers have little reasons to move to Cocoa: they would loose Mac OS 9 compatibility, and have to learn a new language. And the less Cocoa developers, means less Cocoa apps, means less possibilities to move to another processor/OS, which in turn means less appeal for the mac platform, which means less developers....)
> I'll bet the license fee will be pretty evil, seeing as Apple has a vested interest in selling you its hardware.
Apple have a vested interset in making money. For the moment, their cash-cow is the hardware. NeXT dropped the hardware and became more profitable. The same could happend to apple on a much larger scale. But time is flying, and the NeXT advantage is hardly as strong as it was in the early 90's...
So, if they do a x86 version, they'll have to make it expensive (the idea would probably be by making the OS only avalaible with a specific hardware) but may price it more and more correctly while transforming into a software company.
NeXT tried that and failed. Be tried that and failed. Apple could try too...
> There isnt a single OSS project, past or present, that isnt simply a reaction to existing commercial software.
This is a strange question as by definition OSS / Free Software is a reaction to commercial closed software.
Anyway, apt could be an example of a trully innovative way to do thing that was not driven by the 'do it like the other guys do'. Or BSD's cvsup way of syncing sources. Another example that come to mind is freenet. Or the various steganographic fs that exists out there. Or the debian concept as a whole.
From a broader point of view,there is very few software that is not 'playing catch up' another one.
IE played catch up with Netscape, so is a reaction. Windows played catch up with Mac OS. MS-DOS played catchup with CP/M. Excel played catch up with 1-2-3, Word with wordstar, etc, etc, ad nauseum. You could argue that emacs played catchup with other text editors, etc, etc.
Even trully innovative software can be considered as catching up in some way. NeXTstep played catch-up with about every other desktop system. ObjC played catch up with Smalltalk, which itself etc, etc, etc.
But there are ideas and concepts that have been succesfull in their public implementation, and not in their private ones (if any). For instance TCP/IP, or IRC, or HTTPds have about no closed-source competitors. IMHO, as usual.
Well, I said embedded markets. In those markets, the user have _no_ way to replace the mail/news program with something else. So, there, it make sense to have an integrated offer. Mail and news must use HTML (hey, AOL want people to be trackable. That what web-bugs are for...), so, in any case they are dependant on the underlying layout engine. I maintain that it make sense to have 3 programs (Browser/Mail/News) based on the same rendering technology (Gecko). Having them linked together or a 3 separates apps using a common shared library is a (big) implementation detail.
I consider a very bad move the idea to integrate everything. But the idea of having a extensible platform (XUL) have its advantages. We'll see how it sorts out...
Btw, every program grows until it can read mail...:-)
> But you're right that IE is a better browser: they made the (IMHO correct) decision to make a browser and a browser only: they left the mail client (for example) to the Outlook team, etc. Mozilla could learn from that.
Well, the mail client did not really add delay to Mozilla (because it was a separate issue). Galeon is, for instance, a mozilla-based browser that have no mail or news. OTOH, Netscape is a mozilla-based browser that will have this all-in-one approach.
Wihle I agree with you that it was a bad idea, it worth noting that the mail/news/browser/all-in-one is pretty much a requirement for AOL and for embedded markets.
Lastly, the XUL thingy will turn mozilla in an incrediblely powerfull platform (or a shitty mess, depending on how you look at it).
Anyway, I now use Mozilla more often than IE. Shift-Wheel to increase/decrease font size is quite nice...
> Personally, I'd recommend beta-testing IE 6, since IE not only has won the browser wars, it's clearly a better browser - and will remain so
I was going to ask michael to show me the source of IE6. I just realised that, due to the recent crack, it may be avalaible at various warez sites...:-)
More seriously, this is an incredibely lame article. HOW CAN IE6 HAVE WON THE BROWSER WAR ? WHERE IS IE6 FOR LINUX ? FOR FREEBSD ? WHY IS THE LINK TO 'problems' POINTING TO BUGZILLA.MOZILLA.ORG (where there is a bold "This is not the place to report bugs about commercial Netscape products" statment) ?
I was expecting better from slashdot. If slashdot is now supporting closed-source, mac/windows only software...
How can anyone say for sure that IE6 will remain a better browser when the free software alternative is here ? This is FUD at its best.
One year ago, it was "Mozilla will never be finished"
Now it is, "IE will stay the best browser"
I urge windows slashdot readers to download M18. It starts to be rather correct (It is faster than IE5). It crashes, but not that much. I urge them to go top all their preffered sites with Mozilla, so it will appear in the logs. I urge them to use mozilla to go to sites that can be viewed with it.
If they don't, they are going to have a Closed Microsoft Web.
Btw, on the core of the issue: Netscape is in a code freeze. A code freeze is something real, not a linux 2.4 thing. Non-blocking bugs are not corrected in a code freeze. Period. Blocing bugs are defined as bugs that pose visualisation problems to the top100 sites. Trying to get NS6.0 out of the door bug free is stupid. Most.0 versions don't hang around long. There will be a 6.0.1 that will have those the bugs fixed (and other introduced). Most people will download 6.0.1, anyway.
Asking NS to postpone its release is only a way to give more fule to IE6. Release early, release often. Does it reminds you something ?
Cheers,
--fred
PS: And I love the logic of 'Don't accept NS6, it is not perofect. Use IE6 *BETA* instead.
Probably. This was more a funny over-the-head overreaction. I didn't really want to trah it. Hey, I even read the MMIX (the assembly used in Art Of Computer programming vol4 and up) on-line chapter.
> [] 20 hours later it's a 1088 byte executable.
:-)
Don't get me wrong. I understand the intereest of a portable assembly langage less fucked (maybe that's not the word. It should be 'more langage neutral') than the java virtual machine runtime.
Slashdot Mirror
Mmm? Can't you read ? My post was sarcastic.
> Can you say Oracle? Can you say Sun?
I almost said their name. The 'half a dozen highly succesfull companies' were a cover for ORACLE/Sun/IBM/RedHat
Or maybe you wanted to reply to the parent post...
Cheers,
--fred
> And so far this does seem more stable than the last Mozilla I tried out (M18, not the latest nightly).
Try the nightlies. You might get pleasantly surprised (I have been).
Cheers,
--fred
> It was close. So close. Another month, maybe two at most, to fix the most glaring standards-compliance and stability bugs. That's all it would have taken.
This is true for every project. But there is a day where you have to ship. If they had waited a couple of month, then there would still have been a few remaining bugs. You would have whinned the same way.
See how linux 2.4 is slipping. More than a year late. Sure, it doesn't matter, it is free software. But for netscape6, it matters. The marketshare is almost 100% IE. In a few month, the web would be IE only. Be glad they released something. Be _very_ glad.
Cheers,
--fred
> If Netscape killed Mozilla funding, that would be a very serious blow which Mozilla might not survive.
Sure. It'll die overnight and get forgotten, like linux, freebsd, gnome, KDE or debian.
NO. If netscape stopped funding, it'll loose developers. It would be pretty hard, but I highly doubt it would be fatal. (And I am sure that there are half a dozen highly succesfull companies out there that have a vested interest into fighting against IE and would found the Mozilla project almost instantly...)
Cheers,
--fred
I vividly remember how people used to think that it won't ever be released. I wasn't far to beleive it too.
Sure, I'll stay with Mozilla, but I rejoice that the popularity of Netscape will boost Mozilla acceptance.
Maybe we are going to avoid a Web hard-coded for IE, after all.
So hoora for them. But they should get a bug-free 6.1
(How much time until the first security hole popus up ?)
Cheers,
--fred
... the idea of a PC in a PCI card is not that bad (but it seems stupid to limit it to firewall stuff), and maybe it already exist...
Could be used as a Windows box while running under linux (with a special VNC driver, for instance).
(And sure, it could be used as a seti@home box...)
Would have a great hack value. I'd love one of them. (But I would prefer it in a PCMCIA slot...).
Cheers,
--fred
> Well, if you have 4 GB of RAM and 50 GB of disk space, you might be able to find out. :-)
The article said the hardware was a Quad-Xeaon with 1Gb of RAM. I beleive that ORACLE may be able to get past the fabulous 3 request per-second MySQL / PostgreSQL did...
Cheers,
--fred
> What I noticed was that as you increased the number of clients, the total number of requests served increased, while the number of requests per client was lower - which is exactly what should happen - the performance decreases as the number of clients increases.
What *I* noticed is that in one graph the number of request *per*second* increseased for PostgreSQL. And this does not look right, so the original poster is quite right.
> The problem is that you don't know how to read a graph.
Compare graphs on page 3 and page 4. Then come back explaining us how *you* read those graphs.
Interpreting profiling results is a very difficult task. In that case, I suspect that it is impossible without getting the hands on the test configuration to try various alternative loads. Results are (IMHO) too strange to be accepted without further investigation.
Cheers,
--fred
PostgreSQL is faster the MySQL for this guy.
But, as always in the case of database server choices, nothing replace real world test. You should test the various servers on *your* data.
Frankly, I found the numbers quoted in the article ridiculously low. But as we don't know te volumetry of the data, the hardware used, the database cache size, etc, etc, this boils down to 'someone found PostgreSQL better than MySQL for its usage'.
It is not uncommon to have orders of magnitude performance differences between databases. I would love to know how what a tuned ORACLE would get.
Cheers,
--fred
lol
This one was pretty good. Happy you implemented random gibberish linking.
Keep on...
Cheers,
--fred
> While you may not expect this, the law stated explicitly that in this case you have no legal expectation of privacy on a public street.
This is because we don't live in the same country. In france, AFAIK, this won't be admissible by a court (which is, I beleive, a good thing).
Btw, by saying "I don't expect", I wanted to imply that, while I know there are a lot of camera out there, the chances that I am recorded, that the videtapes are released, and that the information is used is rather slim.
More precisely, I don't fear the public camera because there are not much of them (relatively. I mean that I can resonably expect not beeing tracked every second), because the information is hard to extract, and because the information is hardly avalaible.
My english is f*cked, the keyword in the original sentence was 'a camera somewhere spying *everything* I do'. When surfing on the web, the logs contains *everything*. This is scary. If the real-world cameras were spying *everything* I do, then it would be a huge privacy issue...
Cheers,
--fred
> Just recently I have downloaded the latest milestone build M18 (Linux i586) and it is good
And nightly builds are (IMHO) better. Try them, if you have a broadband connection.
Anyone that did not download anything after M16, should give it another try. It is still visually ugly, have a slow interface (but a fast rendering), is not as nice as IE on macos, but can definitely be used for everyday browsing (I, for one, dropped IE for Mozilla).
And it can only get better if people use it.
Cheers,
--fred
> Hello? If you access the internet via a public resource such as a school or publid library, then you shouldn't expect much privacy. As stated, these are logged and as such, are public property subject to the FOI act. Seems like a no-brainer.
Uh ? TYhe question is why is the library keeping the logs ? If I walk on the street, for instance, I don't expect a camera somewhere spying everything I do, and then giving that information to anyone. So, yes, this is, IMHO, a privacy issue.
Cheers,
--fred
> The link on the error page hints strongly at a TOS violation.
Here is the TOS < http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/geoterms.html>
What part did he violate ? hateful content ?
Cheers,
--fred
> "but first and foremost we're here for reproduction"
I beg to differ. We are here to live our lives.
If someone is sterile, is he here for nothing ? Beware of thos biological reasonings. Humans are not insects. (At least some of us...)
Cheers,
--fred
> You're being just stupid. A human's rights begin when he/she is born?
AFAIK, Yes.
> So that means it is OK to kill a baby the day before its due?
Every argument, when pushed to its extreme, is silly. This is the reason why an abortion is legal only during the first few weeks (and it would be really impracticable after).
But basically, yes.
Anyway the "murder-of-the-unborn" argument looks equally stupid. What if a pregnant women lost her baby naturally ? Say she did a long travel by train, and lost her baby a couple of weeks later (the baby may probably not have been lost if she stayed in her bed for the 9 month of pregnancy) ? She killed someone ? She should be put in jail ? Sentenced to death if it happened a few times ?
Note that loosing the foetus in the first weeks is a _extremely_ common thing. How the law should deal with that ?
Cheers,
--fred
> That's right, and you and most "pro-choicers" take the cowardly route of refusing to make an ethical or religious decision on this issue
First, he was arguing with biological facts. I was replying that it is an ethical issue. So *I* was the one that wanted to make the debate ethical.
Second, I don't see how a religious decision could affect me, as I am profoundly atheist. I mean that *if* the bottom of the issue is religious, then everyone should deal with it in conscience, in which case abortion have to be legal.
Third, I make an ethical decision on this issue, so I definitely don't understand you:
"Women have the right to decide wether they wan't an abortion or not because the baby is growing in their body"
This is a simple as that. Their body. Their baby. The father have its words to say, but the final decision is the one of the women.
> What doesn't make any sense at all is each woman determining the personhood of her unborn child on a case by case basis.
So let's say that an 'unborn' child is just that (not born). You are an undead man, and I don't consider you as dead. The baby don't exist, may never exist, and in fact is not even a baby. Woman have not to decide if the so-called 'unborn' child is a person, but only if they want an abortion.
> As with most liberals,
That's fun. Now I am a liberal. Thanks for the info.
Cheers,
--fred
Nothing blazingly new in the article, but having cnn coverage of that is nice.
Note that Carbon is not supposed to work on i386 now (while Darwin and the Cocoa environment does). Quartz (the window manager) either. So it may be a little more trouble than the ports that NeXT did.
Anyway, the real killer that apple have is the Yellow Box. It is the Cocoa environment on Windows, and this would be a very very smart move to make it avalaible again (in that case, people could write windows apps in Cocoa). Without that, the developer mindshare of apple is going to shrink more and more (because hard-core mac developers have little reasons to move to Cocoa: they would loose Mac OS 9 compatibility, and have to learn a new language. And the less Cocoa developers, means less Cocoa apps, means less possibilities to move to another processor/OS, which in turn means less appeal for the mac platform, which means less developers....)
Cheers,
--fred
> I'll bet the license fee will be pretty evil, seeing as Apple has a vested interest in selling you its hardware.
Apple have a vested interset in making money. For the moment, their cash-cow is the hardware. NeXT dropped the hardware and became more profitable. The same could happend to apple on a much larger scale. But time is flying, and the NeXT advantage is hardly as strong as it was in the early 90's...
So, if they do a x86 version, they'll have to make it expensive (the idea would probably be by making the OS only avalaible with a specific hardware) but may price it more and more correctly while transforming into a software company.
NeXT tried that and failed. Be tried that and failed. Apple could try too...
Cheers,
--fred
> There isnt a single OSS project, past or present, that isnt simply a reaction to existing commercial software.
This is a strange question as by definition OSS / Free Software is a reaction to commercial closed software.
Anyway, apt could be an example of a trully innovative way to do thing that was not driven by the 'do it like the other guys do'. Or BSD's cvsup way of syncing sources. Another example that come to mind is freenet. Or the various steganographic fs that exists out there. Or the debian concept as a whole.
From a broader point of view,there is very few software that is not 'playing catch up' another one.
IE played catch up with Netscape, so is a reaction. Windows played catch up with Mac OS. MS-DOS played catchup with CP/M. Excel played catch up with 1-2-3, Word with wordstar, etc, etc, ad nauseum. You could argue that emacs played catchup with other text editors, etc, etc.
Even trully innovative software can be considered as catching up in some way. NeXTstep played catch-up with about every other desktop system. ObjC played catch up with Smalltalk, which itself etc, etc, etc.
But there are ideas and concepts that have been succesfull in their public implementation, and not in their private ones (if any). For instance TCP/IP, or IRC, or HTTPds have about no closed-source competitors. IMHO, as usual.
Cheers,
--fred
Well, I said embedded markets. In those markets, the user have _no_ way to replace the mail/news program with something else. So, there, it make sense to have an integrated offer. Mail and news must use HTML (hey, AOL want people to be trackable. That what web-bugs are for...), so, in any case they are dependant on the underlying layout engine. I maintain that it make sense to have 3 programs (Browser/Mail/News) based on the same rendering technology (Gecko). Having them linked together or a 3 separates apps using a common shared library is a (big) implementation detail.
:-)
I consider a very bad move the idea to integrate everything. But the idea of having a extensible platform (XUL) have its advantages. We'll see how it sorts out...
Btw, every program grows until it can read mail...
Cheers,
--fred
> IE can do the same thing, except it's Ctrl-Wheel.
I didn't know that. I guess Mozilla copied, so this may be a Microsoft innovation...
> But you're right that IE is a better browser: they made the (IMHO correct) decision to make a browser and a browser only: they left the mail client (for example) to the Outlook team, etc. Mozilla could learn from that.
Well, the mail client did not really add delay to Mozilla (because it was a separate issue). Galeon is, for instance, a mozilla-based browser that have no mail or news. OTOH, Netscape is a mozilla-based browser that will have this all-in-one approach.
Wihle I agree with you that it was a bad idea, it worth noting that the mail/news/browser/all-in-one is pretty much a requirement for AOL and for embedded markets.
Lastly, the XUL thingy will turn mozilla in an incrediblely powerfull platform (or a shitty mess, depending on how you look at it).
Anyway, I now use Mozilla more often than IE. Shift-Wheel to increase/decrease font size is quite nice...
Cheers,
--fred
> Personally, I'd recommend beta-testing IE 6, since IE not only has won the browser wars, it's clearly a better browser - and will remain so
:-)
.0 versions don't hang around long. There will be a 6.0.1 that will have those the bugs fixed (and other introduced). Most people will download 6.0.1, anyway.
I was going to ask michael to show me the source of IE6. I just realised that, due to the recent crack, it may be avalaible at various warez sites...
More seriously, this is an incredibely lame article. HOW CAN IE6 HAVE WON THE BROWSER WAR ? WHERE IS IE6 FOR LINUX ? FOR FREEBSD ? WHY IS THE LINK TO 'problems' POINTING TO BUGZILLA.MOZILLA.ORG (where there is a bold "This is not the place to report bugs about commercial Netscape products" statment) ?
I was expecting better from slashdot. If slashdot is now supporting closed-source, mac/windows only software...
How can anyone say for sure that IE6 will remain a better browser when the free software alternative is here ? This is FUD at its best.
One year ago, it was "Mozilla will never be finished"
Now it is, "IE will stay the best browser"
I urge windows slashdot readers to download M18. It starts to be rather correct (It is faster than IE5). It crashes, but not that much. I urge them to go top all their preffered sites with Mozilla, so it will appear in the logs. I urge them to use mozilla to go to sites that can be viewed with it.
If they don't, they are going to have a Closed Microsoft Web.
Btw, on the core of the issue: Netscape is in a code freeze. A code freeze is something real, not a linux 2.4 thing. Non-blocking bugs are not corrected in a code freeze. Period. Blocing bugs are defined as bugs that pose visualisation problems to the top100 sites. Trying to get NS6.0 out of the door bug free is stupid. Most
Asking NS to postpone its release is only a way to give more fule to IE6. Release early, release often. Does it reminds you something ?
Cheers,
--fred
PS: And I love the logic of 'Don't accept NS6, it is not perofect. Use IE6 *BETA* instead.
> You seem to be missing the point
Probably. This was more a funny over-the-head overreaction. I didn't really want to trah it. Hey, I even read the MMIX (the assembly used in Art Of Computer programming vol4 and up) on-line chapter.
> [] 20 hours later it's a 1088 byte executable.
:-)
Don't get me wrong. I understand the intereest of a portable assembly langage less fucked (maybe that's not the word. It should be 'more langage neutral') than the java virtual machine runtime.
Cheers,
--fred