Just wait until they DO return home. With an influx of very skilled workers in these other countries, the American companies will be happy to open up branch offices overseas, cheaper still, than bringing them to the US, or hiring US workers.
On the Skywalker Ranch where the Storm Trooper Posse says:
one good thing about driving labor costs down (not trying to be a troll - just a d/a), is if you look at the living conditions in the bay area, all driven by obscene escalation in compensation, due to a fiercely competitive job market in IT, it's sheer hell. Few people I know who live there actually like it there, and they're mostly looking to move elsewhere, even if it means a pay cut. In some cases, even a 50% pay cut can mean an increase in the standard of living, if it also means lower rent, cheaper food, gas, etc., and a reasonable commute time.
One person I know just bought a home for $750,000, to reduce his commute time to 90 minutes from 120.
I know that there are IT workers in some regions of the US that are really getting the shaft (some poor admin I met a few years back, in Atlanta, was getting $18,000, he knew his stuff, but he was too stupid to know that he could go anywhere else and make twice that, or more.
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He is a really pivotal member of the development team after 6 years, a really sharp guy. Chinese. Contrary to what I normally say on/. about H1B visas, he is very well compensated and valued by our company, and definately not an element in "downward wage pressure". When his visa expired, he had to leave the country. Fortunately, we have an office in Canada, and we moved him there. He still works with the same team, and we meet with him via teleconference three times a week (or more if necessary). It's a real pain in the ass, but technology has compensated somewhat. I wish we could have him back, because we rely on him so much.
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about Macrovision;
first off, I don't need to worry about that piece of shit - I have an Apex 600a - secret menu! nya nya! Otherwise it would have been impossible for me to set up my system the way it currently runs; my TV has only ONE input, so I had to route my DVD through my VCR. I had to disable Macrovision for my TV to get an uncorrupted signal - even if I wasn't recording with the VCR! This is complete bullshit -
but you know the other solution the video store suggested to me? For $60, I could buy a special filter to "fix" the signal. Isn't this a copy-protection circumvention device? Funny, the damn thing was made by Sony!
On the Skywalker Ranch where the Storm Trooper Posse says:
grow up, will you?
^popular ^= shit.
Or do you think that the Ford Escort was the best car of all time?
Or do you think that Miller Lite is the best beer in the world?
How about the dominant computer operating system in the world? Is Windows 95 REALLY better than Linux?
Do you honestly believe that Brittney Spears, #1 selling artist, is a better musician, produces better music than say, Robert Fripp? Sure, she produces a better "product", by the scale that products are measured on, which is sales, but by no means is it better music.
There is no huge corporate conspiracy, true, but record companies DO tend to favor promoting performers that are young, sexy, well packaged, and not necessarily artists. You see, people with real talent can walk across the street to the next record company, people with talent are often intelligent to demand better contracts, people with talent often espouse viewpoints in their art that are not, shall we say, appropriate for mass consumption? In short, they're harder to deal-with, on a business level, and harder to sell to the masses. (I'm talking about real iconoclasm here, not teenage rebellion crap) Why sell products that are hard to sell? Brittney Spears is easy to sell to millions of spoiled American teenage brats with mommy and daddy's credit card. Robert Frip only sells to a few wierdos with eclectic tastes, who may not have enough money to blow on a new CD every week.
The reason that the music I like is not popular, is because it is not a convenient product to sell, therefore the companies do not market it as enthusiastically, and not as many people are exposed to it.
Of course, as a consumer of music, I have to think about my priorities about what I consider "good" music, and "bad" music. Among those criteria are NOT how good looking the performer is, or how many CD's they sold last year, or how many weeks their single stayed at #1.
True, people LIKE to have "stars", because they've been force-fed the romance of this "star" phenomenon since Elvis. The record industry created this environment, and this market, but we don't all have to be mindless little sheep for them.
Therefore, my musical tastes run incompatible with the business model of the music industry. Therefore, I require a promotional and distributional model that exists OUTSIDE of the mainstream music industry.
Unfortunately, Napster suffers from the same pop-culture overflow that hit radio does, because Napster doesn't have a lot of good music. Mostly pop crap. Oh well, there's still the few underground record stores left out there.
On the Skywalker Ranch where the Storm Trooper Posse says:
Taking shared music on Napster is excercising your RIGHT to "fair use" - guaranteed by the 1992 American Home Recording Act.
It does not make one a theif. It makes one a human being with rights.
Fair use does not apply to software. Punish the script kiddies, punish the Hotline dorks who are sharing copyrighted works for commmercial gain. Don't punish the law-abiding citizens who take advantage of their right to "fair use" by sharing copyrighted works for non-commercial purposes.
On the Skywalker Ranch where the Storm Trooper Posse says:
Last time I was in Mountain View, all everyone was talking about was how expensive a house was.
I hear prices like a million for a run-down 900 sq-ft one bedroom house. With an hour's commute (fairly nearby, but we're talking about the most conjested freeways on the planet).
I heard one guy saying he was going to buy a house in Gilroy, because he couldn't afford a house in Mountain View. I drove home on hwy 101 that day, at 5pm, Gilroy was 3 hours.
People have to be fucking insane to live there.
Jedi Vacquero: We don't need to show you any steenkin' boches!
The other thing is, the "young kids" are MUCH more likely to stay until 9, or come in on Saturdays, to help a project stay on schedule (whose fault is the schedule, really?), while the balding guy has a family, other responsibilities, and NEEDS more money. Comes in at 9, leaves at 5. Never stays later. Never reads up on Java or C# on his own time in the evenings, he's working on his 69 Camaro in the garage, or reading to his kids.
What's more attractive to an employer?
Jedi Vacquero: We don't need to show you any steenkin' boches!
Yeah, but if you read slashdot at 2 like I do (who the hell has time to read all this crap at 1?) then you never see the "This is a TROLL" message, because they start at 1 or get modded down as offtopic, etc.
Besides, this whole topic is a troll.
In fact, if you think about it, the whole point of slashdot is trolling.
Jedi Vacquero: We don't need to show you any steenkin' boches!
Exactly; explain to the average Joe, why discovering the Higgs Boson is important, in a way that is more entertaining (=ad revenue generating) than a football game (to him), without being innacurate or blowing potential benefits out of proportion, or jumping the gun (to get the scoop) on the peer-review process.
And you begin to see the problem, and the fact that there's not really much anyone can do about it. (other than state-controlled press, and a scientist-controlled state).
Jedi Vacquero: We don't need to show you any steenkin' boches!
You overrate the US NEWS college rankings; If they get a bad rating there, the good schools will still be full, and the bottom half of the academic population will STILL go to the bad schools, because they get their degree, which is more necessary than air to most people, at least in the US's job market. I'm not talking about the geek kids who hack linux kernels at age 13 and can get an IT job without a degree, I'm talking about the other 99% of the population that majors in Liberal Arts so they can get a job selling insurance.
However, I do agree with you that the shortage of labor is a mirage. It is created by industry, but it is supported by the gummint, because if the companies were forced to pay IT people what the market demands, it would drive up inflation and really give Alan Greenspan a headache, not to mention, destroy the US economy as we know it today. (might not be a bad thing).
On the other hand, lead programmer on one product team in my company just retired. 42. Stock options made it possible. In other words, they paid him TOO MUCH. Where's that happy medium?
Jedi Vacquero: We don't need to show you any steenkin' boches!
I assure you, when I move to the United States, it will be with the goal (and responsibility) of Citizenship in mind; not
coming in, taking advantage of and culturally diluting the American way of life.
We just imported a bunch of Canadians where I work (company closed their office) - and we're all pronouncing "about" like "aboot" now! Damn Canadians! At least they're learning to surf now.
Jedi Vacquero: We don't need to show you any steenkin' boches!
Not only that, when they raise the price of the education, do the teachers get a raise? Do they buy more books for the Library? Better equipped labs? Shit no! Where does that money go?
Jedi Vacquero: We don't need to show you any steenkin' boches!
God DOES exist, and no matter what, you will NEVER prove me wrong. That, is a scientific and rational certainty. You will NEVER observe every part of the universe, at every time for all of existance, therefore, you can never prove that something does NOT exist. Someday, you might be proven wrong in your statement that god does not exist. It all depends on if someone sees God and gets a good photograph.
Bible? Who cares, we all know Pi is not 3, so that argument has been dead for some time now.
Jedi Vacquero: We don't need to show you any steenkin' boches!
SCSC in Texas was pure Bush-inspired pork. Make no mistake.
Spending MORE money to un-do it was pure Clinton "payback". The republicans were howling about all these "big science" projects that were costing so much, and wanted them all hacked. The democrats' revenge was to decide, if they had to kill something, they might as well kill Bush's pork project.
Jedi Vacquero: We don't need to show you any steenkin' boches!
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Just wait until they DO return home. With an influx of very skilled workers in these other countries, the American companies will be happy to open up branch offices overseas, cheaper still, than bringing them to the US, or hiring US workers.
On the Skywalker Ranch where the Storm Trooper Posse says:
one good thing about driving labor costs down (not trying to be a troll - just a d/a), is if you look at the living conditions in the bay area, all driven by obscene escalation in compensation, due to a fiercely competitive job market in IT, it's sheer hell. Few people I know who live there actually like it there, and they're mostly looking to move elsewhere, even if it means a pay cut. In some cases, even a 50% pay cut can mean an increase in the standard of living, if it also means lower rent, cheaper food, gas, etc., and a reasonable commute time.
One person I know just bought a home for $750,000, to reduce his commute time to 90 minutes from 120.
I know that there are IT workers in some regions of the US that are really getting the shaft (some poor admin I met a few years back, in Atlanta, was getting $18,000, he knew his stuff, but he was too stupid to know that he could go anywhere else and make twice that, or more.
On the Skywalker Ranch where the Storm Trooper Posse says:
He is a really pivotal member of the development team after 6 years, a really sharp guy. Chinese. Contrary to what I normally say on /. about H1B visas, he is very well compensated and valued by our company, and definately not an element in "downward wage pressure". When his visa expired, he had to leave the country. Fortunately, we have an office in Canada, and we moved him there. He still works with the same team, and we meet with him via teleconference three times a week (or more if necessary). It's a real pain in the ass, but technology has compensated somewhat. I wish we could have him back, because we rely on him so much.
On the Skywalker Ranch where the Storm Trooper Posse says:
Was the poll done with a 900-number?
Does that answer your question? In such polls, they don't give so much a rat's ass about the opinion as they do the revenue generated.
On the Skywalker Ranch where the Storm Trooper Posse says:
If this is usenet, where's my kiddie porn?
On the Skywalker Ranch where the Storm Trooper Posse says:
And you'd *keep* mercury a liquid HOW exactly, in the cold vacuum of space?
On the Skywalker Ranch where the Storm Trooper Posse says:
So that means that the Iraqis and Cubans are laughing their asses off right about now?
On the Skywalker Ranch where the Storm Trooper Posse says:
about Macrovision;
first off, I don't need to worry about that piece of shit - I have an Apex 600a - secret menu! nya nya! Otherwise it would have been impossible for me to set up my system the way it currently runs; my TV has only ONE input, so I had to route my DVD through my VCR. I had to disable Macrovision for my TV to get an uncorrupted signal - even if I wasn't recording with the VCR! This is complete bullshit -
but you know the other solution the video store suggested to me? For $60, I could buy a special filter to "fix" the signal. Isn't this a copy-protection circumvention device? Funny, the damn thing was made by Sony!
On the Skywalker Ranch where the Storm Trooper Posse says:
Personally, I don't believe it.
I think he rigged the stats as a publicity stunt.
On the Skywalker Ranch where the Storm Trooper Posse says:
How about; YOUR ARGUMENT IS SHIT?
grow up, will you?
^popular ^= shit.
Or do you think that the Ford Escort was the best car of all time?
Or do you think that Miller Lite is the best beer in the world?
How about the dominant computer operating system in the world? Is Windows 95 REALLY better than Linux?
Do you honestly believe that Brittney Spears, #1 selling artist, is a better musician, produces better music than say, Robert Fripp? Sure, she produces a better "product", by the scale that products are measured on, which is sales, but by no means is it better music.
There is no huge corporate conspiracy, true, but record companies DO tend to favor promoting performers that are young, sexy, well packaged, and not necessarily artists. You see, people with real talent can walk across the street to the next record company, people with talent are often intelligent to demand better contracts, people with talent often espouse viewpoints in their art that are not, shall we say, appropriate for mass consumption? In short, they're harder to deal-with, on a business level, and harder to sell to the masses. (I'm talking about real iconoclasm here, not teenage rebellion crap) Why sell products that are hard to sell? Brittney Spears is easy to sell to millions of spoiled American teenage brats with mommy and daddy's credit card. Robert Frip only sells to a few wierdos with eclectic tastes, who may not have enough money to blow on a new CD every week.
The reason that the music I like is not popular, is because it is not a convenient product to sell, therefore the companies do not market it as enthusiastically, and not as many people are exposed to it.
Of course, as a consumer of music, I have to think about my priorities about what I consider "good" music, and "bad" music. Among those criteria are NOT how good looking the performer is, or how many CD's they sold last year, or how many weeks their single stayed at #1.
True, people LIKE to have "stars", because they've been force-fed the romance of this "star" phenomenon since Elvis. The record industry created this environment, and this market, but we don't all have to be mindless little sheep for them.
Therefore, my musical tastes run incompatible with the business model of the music industry. Therefore, I require a promotional and distributional model that exists OUTSIDE of the mainstream music industry.
Unfortunately, Napster suffers from the same pop-culture overflow that hit radio does, because Napster doesn't have a lot of good music. Mostly pop crap. Oh well, there's still the few underground record stores left out there.
On the Skywalker Ranch where the Storm Trooper Posse says:
wrong wrong wrong wrong WRONG!
Taking shared music on Napster is excercising your RIGHT to "fair use" - guaranteed by the 1992 American Home Recording Act.
It does not make one a theif. It makes one a human being with rights.
Fair use does not apply to software. Punish the script kiddies, punish the Hotline dorks who are sharing copyrighted works for commmercial gain. Don't punish the law-abiding citizens who take advantage of their right to "fair use" by sharing copyrighted works for non-commercial purposes.
On the Skywalker Ranch where the Storm Trooper Posse says:
Last time I was in Mountain View, all everyone was talking about was how expensive a house was.
I hear prices like a million for a run-down 900 sq-ft one bedroom house. With an hour's commute (fairly nearby, but we're talking about the most conjested freeways on the planet).
I heard one guy saying he was going to buy a house in Gilroy, because he couldn't afford a house in Mountain View. I drove home on hwy 101 that day, at 5pm, Gilroy was 3 hours.
People have to be fucking insane to live there.
Jedi Vacquero: We don't need to show you any steenkin' boches!
you couldn't live in a shoebox eating shit in Silicon Valley for $50k/yr.
Jedi Vacquero: We don't need to show you any steenkin' boches!
The other thing is, the "young kids" are MUCH more likely to stay until 9, or come in on Saturdays, to help a project stay on schedule (whose fault is the schedule, really?), while the balding guy has a family, other responsibilities, and NEEDS more money. Comes in at 9, leaves at 5. Never stays later. Never reads up on Java or C# on his own time in the evenings, he's working on his 69 Camaro in the garage, or reading to his kids.
What's more attractive to an employer?
Jedi Vacquero: We don't need to show you any steenkin' boches!
If IT workers unionized, maybe we'd FINALLY have some pull with the Democratic party.
Government Subsidized MSCE training for everyone!
Jedi Vacquero: We don't need to show you any steenkin' boches!
Yeah, but if you read slashdot at 2 like I do (who the hell has time to read all this crap at 1?) then you never see the "This is a TROLL" message, because they start at 1 or get modded down as offtopic, etc.
Besides, this whole topic is a troll.
In fact, if you think about it, the whole point of slashdot is trolling.
Jedi Vacquero: We don't need to show you any steenkin' boches!
Damn straight! You tell 'im Percey!
Whose turn is it to be president this time?
Jedi Vacquero: We don't need to show you any steenkin' boches!
great points!
Exactly; explain to the average Joe, why discovering the Higgs Boson is important, in a way that is more entertaining (=ad revenue generating) than a football game (to him), without being innacurate or blowing potential benefits out of proportion, or jumping the gun (to get the scoop) on the peer-review process.
And you begin to see the problem, and the fact that there's not really much anyone can do about it. (other than state-controlled press, and a scientist-controlled state).
Jedi Vacquero: We don't need to show you any steenkin' boches!
You overrate the US NEWS college rankings; If they get a bad rating there, the good schools will still be full, and the bottom half of the academic population will STILL go to the bad schools, because they get their degree, which is more necessary than air to most people, at least in the US's job market. I'm not talking about the geek kids who hack linux kernels at age 13 and can get an IT job without a degree, I'm talking about the other 99% of the population that majors in Liberal Arts so they can get a job selling insurance.
However, I do agree with you that the shortage of labor is a mirage. It is created by industry, but it is supported by the gummint, because if the companies were forced to pay IT people what the market demands, it would drive up inflation and really give Alan Greenspan a headache, not to mention, destroy the US economy as we know it today. (might not be a bad thing).
On the other hand, lead programmer on one product team in my company just retired. 42. Stock options made it possible. In other words, they paid him TOO MUCH. Where's that happy medium?
Jedi Vacquero: We don't need to show you any steenkin' boches!
I assure you, when I move to the United States, it will be with the goal (and responsibility) of Citizenship in mind; not
coming in, taking advantage of and culturally diluting the American way of life.
We just imported a bunch of Canadians where I work (company closed their office) - and we're all pronouncing "about" like "aboot" now! Damn Canadians! At least they're learning to surf now.
Jedi Vacquero: We don't need to show you any steenkin' boches!
Not only that, when they raise the price of the education, do the teachers get a raise? Do they buy more books for the Library? Better equipped labs? Shit no! Where does that money go?
Jedi Vacquero: We don't need to show you any steenkin' boches!
God DOES exist, and no matter what, you will NEVER prove me wrong. That, is a scientific and rational certainty. You will NEVER observe every part of the universe, at every time for all of existance, therefore, you can never prove that something does NOT exist. Someday, you might be proven wrong in your statement that god does not exist. It all depends on if someone sees God and gets a good photograph.
Bible? Who cares, we all know Pi is not 3, so that argument has been dead for some time now.
Jedi Vacquero: We don't need to show you any steenkin' boches!
If one could manipulate the Higgs field, one could do all kinds of stuff.
All kinds.
Jedi Vacquero: We don't need to show you any steenkin' boches!
The Higgs field; the Ether of the 20th century.
Jedi Vacquero: We don't need to show you any steenkin' boches!
SCSC in Texas was pure Bush-inspired pork. Make no mistake.
Spending MORE money to un-do it was pure Clinton "payback". The republicans were howling about all these "big science" projects that were costing so much, and wanted them all hacked. The democrats' revenge was to decide, if they had to kill something, they might as well kill Bush's pork project.
Jedi Vacquero: We don't need to show you any steenkin' boches!