There IS a time and a place for AC posting - there IS a need for it. But I don't understand why a person needs to be Anonymous to post a valid, non-inflammatory question to Carmack.
Although, I DO believe that for these interview threads, moderation should be done differently. A much wider moderation base should be selected (many more moderators), and more points given, and the highest rated suggested questions should be selected. Then all AC-whining would be moot. Questions would be selected on the basis of merit, not identity.
I still don't see why it would kill ya to just log in for this.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
While, we gotta give OS X a break, it's v 1.0, I think a lot of folks at Apple should be listening to what Carmack is saying -
This guy is making a decision to standardize on a development platform. A leader of the game industry. This is BIG time here. And he's made some valid points about the future direction of OS X. Points I've heard made by many others. (esp. the Java vs. Obj-C argument).
One of the rumors currently circulating is that Apple is on the move, looking for a permanent CEO - Jobs will either go back to Pixar, or stay on as a consultant. Either way, I think Carmack's the man for the job, because as technical as he is, I think he's got his finger on the pulse of what's going to make or break the future of Mac OS.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
ooops - what I meant to say is, you portray my opinon about Apple and ATI as a minority one, but I hear this complaint all over the internet. I don't think anybody wants Apple to ditch ATI wholesale, but all I'm asking for is a choice.
Maybe when I buy my G4, there will be an AGP Rage128 for sale on eBay. ..
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
"There has to be a 10,000:1 ratio of Java programmers to Objective-C programmers."
If Apple would promote Objective-C instead of burying it - that ratio would be different. Everything I've heard about Objective-C is that there's literally no learning curve if you understand OOP, and know C well.
Other points about differences between OS X Consumer and Server are taken. ColorSync would be an issue - however that's a Moot point if Apple loses that lawsuit.:) I would argue that Apple could have/should have slapped that Adobe bitch around some regarding DPS. AppleScript could have been abandoned in favor of - gasp! Shell Scripting/Perl - since it would have BSD underpinnings - though this may be a naive opinion. All of your points are really valid, despite my arguments and protestations. I say again: I've been waiting for Copeland since 1994 dammit!
"Sounds like poor economics to me" Apple really could/should slap that ATI bitch around some, and get them to write decent drivers, or release technology that's up to par with the rest of the world. Rage128 was da shit when they announced it, and when it was first released to reviewers, but - HOW long did it take them to actually release that card? Then how long did folks have to wait until we could get one other than the B&W model? By that time, Rage128 was 5 minutes ago technology. Now it's not even that.
"Turns out that ATM 3.9 works fine" oh - thanks, I didn't know that. I guess my bitching about OS 9 is pretty much unfounded. Does this apply to ATM Deluxe? No, it's not really Apple's fault Adobe is sticking them with a strap-on. But like I said above, I wish Apple could slap these bitches around like they did to Power Computing, Newton Inc., Claris (oops, it's starting to sound like Microsoft's lineup of acquisitions, isn't it?).
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
I wonder who's going to make the better license plates, Cowpland or Gates?
Will Gates be bundling cigarettes with his license plates, or using muscle to force the trustees to only accept his license plates?
Cowpland better make an end run around Gates' plates by making his run on every type of car there is. y'know, do the cross-platform thing. (yeah, thanks buttmunch for cancelling WordPerfect Macintosh.)
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
I didn't know about the more open files with OS 9.
How many more? I've got a LOT of fonts.
- - Yes, Adobe has produced a LOT of suckage for the Mac market lately, (especially with their stubbornness on DPS, which was a big reason why OS X is delayed, because Apple had to roll their own display system, Quartz, which is arguably better, but still - is OS X going to ship in my lifetime? I've been waiting for Copeland since 1994 dammit!)
Symantec has also greatly SUCKED as far as keeping up to date. How long did it take for them to support HFS+? Even tho HFS+ was available as beta to developers for like a year before it shipped.
Um. Let me see, what other Mac software vendors SUCK. Intuit. Um, Hasbro. Um. NOvell, (not an accidental typo), Apple (can you say Cyberdog? OpenDoc? QD3D?). How about Palm - or whomever is responsible for that Palm Desktop attrocity, that we have to PAY EXTRA for, okay 2.x is much better, but why must we pay? I paid thru the NOSE for my meager Palm III hardware, software should NOT be extra. Ooops - the company I work for (which shall remain nameless).
Damn, I'm just in a shitty mood today. Everywhere I look. Heads up asses.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
"Why can't Apple just raise the liscencing costs. .." Well, at the time of the clone-killing, that was the story, that Apple was raising it's licensing fees for OS 8, because their previous contract only applied to OS 7.x, and this OS was originally going to be 7.7, IIRC, but Apple changed it to 8, thus loopholing the OS out of the old, less lucrative contract. The cloners rebelled (according to the public story), and pulled out of the cloning business to spite Apple, except for Power Computing, who were going on with shipping new machines with the old OS, building Wintel clones too, and so Apple just bought them to put them out of their misery. That put a big damper on any remaining cloning activity. Does it make a difference whether the cloners were eating Apples high-end hardware lunch? It shouldn't have if the cloners had accepted the new terms - which makes me believe that that's not what happened, because by all accounts, Apple wasn't asking for much more, Power Computing was rolling in cash, so they couldn't have been afraid to shave off a few more margin points to Apple, it could only have helped them, because it would have discouraged the small competitors.
Now, behind the scenes, the story may have been different, but Apple's story is, they played hardball with licensing fees, and the cloners chickened out.
". . . but giving Moto a stake in the platform would have given them much more incentive to make better PPC chips. .."
WTF is their incentive supposed to be? Selling more PPC chips! Make better chips, more people buy Apple machines - that's simple. What more stake should they need? Nowadays, tho, the story is different. There IS LinuxPPC, even tho Be and NT are totally out of the game, Moto could stand to win BIG with LinuxPPC, and only IBM apparently has the vision to pursue that. Now I can understand why Moto doesn't want to get burned again (but how could they? who's going to burn them, Linus?) - but what I can't understand is why the hell IBM doesn't just STOP making anything supporting Intel chips, including software, and start making kick ass PPC - Linux boxes, and release all of it's software for Linux, or even AIX -PPC, or even, why the hell won't they finish OS/2 PPC?
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
oddly enough, that's not the first time I've heard this story. And I have a touch of wrist-tendonitis as well, probably caused by mousing, possibly aggrivated by typing. Maybe I *should* try this iMac mouse - but when I've played with store demos, I just hated them.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
1 - I want Apple to FORGET Carbon, forget Java in yellowbox -er Cocoa. And ship the technology they HAVE, excuse me, HAD a year ago. They're delaying it to polish Carbon integration, and converting Cocoa over so you can code in Java instead of Objective-C, which, IMO, is complete excrement.
2 - Yes, but why can't they unbundle the ATI cards, and say, hey, if you want to BTO a box on our site, we'll ship you a box w/o this substandard peice of crap (well, my big gripe is with ATI's drivers), and you can order one from a third party, or hey, we'll ship you a Doodoo 3 with our outrageous markup (which would still be preferable to paying the outrageous markup for the ATI crap which would just get chucked anyway).
3 - only Steve Jobs would disagree with this one.
4 - I explained myself with another post. I only sound ignorant of the PPC advantages - but really, this is in support of broad market acceptance, not penis length comparisons with celery.
5 - I have not read one positive review of the UI for QT 4.0 and Sherlock 2. What are they thinking, anyway? They sometimes listen to their customers, but often they don't. 5b - OS 9 kills ATM. Same reason I'm not going to buy OS 9. If I'm going to have to pay Adobe several hundred to upgrade my ancient copy of ATM Deluxe which works FINE on 8.6, then I'll wait until OS X comes out and breaks it again, so I don't have to pay for two ATM upgrades in 1 year. Perhaps this was technically unavoidable. It's not really Apple's fault that ATM Deluxe costs way, way too much, but then again, it's Apples fault anyone should NEED ATM Deluxe, because of the crappy OS reliance on file handles for loaded fonts (what, I can't have more than 200 or so fonts in my Fonts folder? I have 2000 on my NT box at work!)
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
Okay, I can see how I came off as one of those "jerks who don't know PPC is twice as fast - because of RISC - etc."
Not the case- but here's why I still think it's necessary. G3 came out. Apple said "twice as fast". Used ByteMark. Inteliots said ByteMark sucks, use SPEC. G4 came out. Apple said "twice as fast". Used SPEC. Now "they" say that benchmarks don't mean anything, hardware's still closed (IBM's POP), overpriced (difficult price/performance comparison), OS sucks (X), etc. etc.
MHz is the language the computer market understands. You can't convince people with something as esoteric (even though they mean well) as benchmarks. As soon as intel gained dominance in the 80s, and they latched onto MHz as a metric, as bogus as it is for x-platform comparison, the game was intel's. Now intel has been able to totally sit on their ass, as long as they can stay ahead in the MHz game. And that's what really sucks. Now, not that I really care that my PPC runs at the same 700MHz as some intel "coppermine" (disclaimer - does *NOT* contain copper wiring!), nor do I care for bragging rights. A 700MHz G4 would be kick ass. And Moto SHOULD be able to deliver it (and I believe they are fully capable of doing it) if they didn't have their heads up their asses about what consumers want, and would pay TONS of money for, and what would put Motorola in Intel's current and enviable position in probably the space of 6 months.
Then I wouldn't have to worry about hiccups like this threatening the life of my favorite platform.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
until: 1. Ship Mac OS X already! 2. Unbundle ATI video 3. Ship Pro models with Pro keyboard and Pro mouse instead of crappy iMac kbd&mouse. 4. Reach MHz/price-parity with Intel. 5. Fix QT 4.0 and Sherlock UI.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
. . . and at that time, what would the BULK of PPC buyers have run as an OS on those kick-ass Moto G3 boxes? Certainly not Mac OS, because Moto would have driven their asses out of business.
yes, it's obvious to anyone watching Apple during the (wistful sigh) "cloning era", that Apple was totally incapable of keeping up, performance-wise with the cloners. As it is obvious today that Apple can't keep up with the accelerator vendors.
But LinuxPPC/MkLinux didn't really exist then, and NT PPC was obviously dead. It would definately have been the end of the PPC platform, period, if Apple had gone out of business. I don't think Apple is quite irrelevant yet, as far as the future of the PPC goes, but maybe in a year or two. . . Face it, Moto needs Apple for the PPC more than Apple needs Moto. I wish Moto could have done something to help Apple keep up - but maybe Apple pissed off Moto by going to that 3rd-party PPC manufacturer that had that 700MHz demo (two years ago!), I forgot their name.
Others suggested that Apple simply unload the hardware side of the business, and focus only on software. Well, with the state Mac OS was in at that time, that would also have probably been suicide. Because Apple hardware was still largely driving demand for clones, and if Apple had pulled out, I think we'd have seen further marketshare decline, and a lot of the cloners would probably have died, and Moto might have decided that 5000 chips per year wasn't enough reason to keep PPC development going.
What happened was ugly - but I think it was the only survival path Apple could have taken. But now both companies are acting like spoiled children, and I'm contemplating buying a Celeron-based PC now. (until my prozac kicks in, that is)
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
beep! - "Yeah, Chris, it's me again, Steve Jobs. I've calmed down a bit now. I've had my people call in a contractor to fix the wall, and the window, and they're bringing my chair back up from the parking-lot - they'll have to vacuum the broken glass off of it first, but it seems to have survived the fall. Anyway. I was thinking about this 7400 problem. . . excuse me. .." sounds of deep, slow, tantric breathing excercises. . . "okay-close one. I'm feeling better now. Now you're engineers said you'd have this fixed, obviously it's not. We've had to make some changes to the lineup to compensate. Our customers won't be too happy, it'll likely impact sales, which means less 750's AND 7400's out the door, probably for a while to come. Well, I think I've come up with a plan. I'm gonna COME DOWN TO YOUR OFFICE AND @#*@^&$*)))!**$&#^(%&^@#$@# @$#&&%!$$#*@#!!! $^&@ ! YOUR @#@$#^@*&! PIECE OF @#$@#)*!! HEAD OFF, AND RAM IT UP YOUR @#$*(*@^&(*&#@^! AND &*@#$^&* IT WITH YOUR !@#*&^@^ AND BEAT THE @(*#$&( OUT OF YOUR )@#&^$%@*& CARCASS WITH MY @(*$&@#&*@#&&!" (exited, worried voices in the background, sound of breaking glass, loud thuds, fabric tearing, "NO! NO! STEVE! DON-!! more glass breaking) -click
on Glenn Gienko's voice mail; 5 minutes later. . . "Glen? Steve Jobs. .." (female voice in background - "you're bleeding, can I -" unintelligible - Steve whispering, "no, no, just leave") ". . . yeah, Steve here, could you do me a favor and FIRE Chris Galvin for me!! Hell, just f^@$*ing fire EVERYONE dammit, fire them all and transfer them to Hell!" -click
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
No, they did proper testing, they knew there were going to be problems, that's what was up with the whole "Yikes!" project (G4 original 400, now 350, based on the Yosemite motherboard). The "bad" chip was never released (500MHz), smart move. Unfortunately, Apple was apparently counting on Moto to resolve both this 500MHz bug, and the production problems in time for the G4 box's debut.
Unfortunately, Moto's head will probably take a lot more wiggling and pulling to get it out of it's ass.
What a PR disaster for Apple if they end up having to sue Motorola for being the ameteurish fuckups that they are.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
no. More likely Moto is fucking Apple, because Moto, for some reason, doesn't seem to give a crap about the future of the PowerPC, and probably the only way they can get out of contractual obligations to Apple is by producing a crappy product.
G4 and AltiVec were certainly behind schedule, and Moto certainly doesn't sell it's chips with flashy TV ads like Intel does (they rely on Apple alone), and Motorola doesn't seem to like to evangelize the PPC platform - hell, they've dumped all their PPCs internally and went to DELL-NT systems. All in one fell swoop.
I think Apple should just tell Motorola to take a flying leap, and use IBM as a sole supplier (but they'll have to grease IBM's palm somewhat to get them to produce chips with AltiVec)
I'm just really, really, unhappy at Motorola, that's all. Apple has always been totally screwed over because of them. Sometimes, I swear Moto's run by a bunch of Intel double-agents.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
I can say that on and off, I've had problems with 8.6, but mostly, 8.6 has been rock solid for me.
Usually the problem turns out to be either a F#&!ed up ATI driver, or Epson driver. ATI and Epson really really really suck. I will not buy a new G4 Mac until they do 3 things: fix the G4 speed limit, release OS X consumer, offer a machine without an ATI card (so I can buy a decent accelerator from a manufacturer that gives a shit about driver quality).
The really goofy problem I get is, sometimes, my printer heads clog, and then things get unstable, hangs and not even printing related application crashes. I can clean the heads, and it doesn't fix the problem. Then I reinstall the Epson drivers, and everything is kosher-stable again.
I definately won't ever buy an Epson printer again. Take that to the bank.
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They laughed at me back at the institute. Called me mad. I'll show them. I'm not the one that's crazy. THEY'RE all crazy. ..
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
Actually, it was the AUDIO people who were really put off by the lack of expansion slots - the photo-video people didn't really give much of a rat's ass, 3 was pretty much sufficient for a pair of SCSI cards, and a high-end video card.
But with the FireWire and USB, this situation is near to being remedied (as soon as all those nifty mainstream FireWire devices come out!)
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
What has been truly disgusting about this whole thing is that companies that DON'T use GM foods (or livestock hormone treatments) in their products are LEGALLY FORBIDDEN from labelling their products "GM Free" or "rGBH Free" (or it might be the converse - that the US Government has forbidden the labelling of GM foods as such) - in either case - there's some legislative voodoo going on that, bottom line, FORBIDS consumers from making an informed choice, and thereby applying market forces to eliminate these technologies. The arguments against the labeling are such garbage as "the consumers have bought into this hysteria which has no sound scientific basis, so it would be economically harmful to allow labeling". This attitude generally came about through the use of expensive biotech industry lobbyists.
Folks, Intel's USB 2.0 FUD may be evil, Microsoft Passport may be evil - but this stuff is capital-E Evil. Evil of the worst sort. Nasty McEvil. Bad, bad, bad, bad, goes against everything I believe in Evil. If the biotech companies have an image problem, then they need to fix it, and fund some good compelling studies that support their position - apparently they haven't been able to do that, and possibly it's cheaper to hire lobbyists (ie- bribe politicians).
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
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I would also have liked him to say what he thinks is the best overall gaming platform - ie: what would he prefer his customers buy to play his games.
The ideal answer should be "whatever suits them - hopefully I'll hit all platforms".
I hate to see his selection of NT as a development platform become justification for placing NT as the best GAMING platform. 'cause it just ain't.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
There IS a time and a place for AC posting - there IS a need for it. But I don't understand why a person needs to be Anonymous to post a valid, non-inflammatory question to Carmack.
Although, I DO believe that for these interview threads, moderation should be done differently. A much wider moderation base should be selected (many more moderators), and more points given, and the highest rated suggested questions should be selected. Then all AC-whining would be moot. Questions would be selected on the basis of merit, not identity.
I still don't see why it would kill ya to just log in for this.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
While, we gotta give OS X a break, it's v 1.0, I think a lot of folks at Apple should be listening to what Carmack is saying -
This guy is making a decision to standardize on a development platform. A leader of the game industry. This is BIG time here. And he's made some valid points about the future direction of OS X. Points I've heard made by many others. (esp. the Java vs. Obj-C argument).
One of the rumors currently circulating is that Apple is on the move, looking for a permanent CEO - Jobs will either go back to Pixar, or stay on as a consultant. Either way, I think Carmack's the man for the job, because as technical as he is, I think he's got his finger on the pulse of what's going to make or break the future of Mac OS.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
$10,000?!
Phuck Phillips!
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
"sounds like poor economics to me"
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ooops - what I meant to say is, you portray my opinon about Apple and ATI as a minority one, but I hear this complaint all over the internet. I don't think anybody wants Apple to ditch ATI wholesale, but all I'm asking for is a choice.
Maybe when I buy my G4, there will be an AGP Rage128 for sale on eBay. .
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
"There has to be a 10,000:1 ratio of Java programmers to Objective-C
:) I would argue that Apple could have/should have slapped that Adobe bitch around some regarding DPS. AppleScript could have been abandoned in favor of - gasp! Shell Scripting/Perl - since it would have BSD underpinnings - though this may be a naive opinion.
programmers."
If Apple would promote Objective-C instead of burying it - that ratio would be different. Everything I've heard about Objective-C is that there's literally no learning curve if you understand OOP, and know C well.
Other points about differences between OS X Consumer and Server are taken. ColorSync would be an issue - however that's a Moot point if Apple loses that lawsuit.
All of your points are really valid, despite my arguments and protestations. I say again: I've been waiting for Copeland since 1994 dammit!
"Sounds like poor economics to me"
Apple really could/should slap that ATI bitch around some, and get them to write decent drivers, or release technology that's up to par with the rest of the world. Rage128 was da shit when they announced it, and when it was first released to reviewers, but - HOW long did it take them to actually release that card? Then how long did folks have to wait until we could get one other than the B&W model? By that time, Rage128 was 5 minutes ago technology. Now it's not even that.
"Turns out that ATM 3.9 works fine"
oh - thanks, I didn't know that. I guess my bitching about OS 9 is pretty much unfounded. Does this apply to ATM Deluxe? No, it's not really Apple's fault Adobe is sticking them with a strap-on. But like I said above, I wish Apple could slap these bitches around like they did to Power Computing, Newton Inc., Claris (oops, it's starting to sound like Microsoft's lineup of acquisitions, isn't it?).
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
I wonder who's going to make the better license plates, Cowpland or Gates?
Will Gates be bundling cigarettes with his license plates, or using muscle to force the trustees to only accept his license plates?
Cowpland better make an end run around Gates' plates by making his run on every type of car there is. y'know, do the cross-platform thing.
(yeah, thanks buttmunch for cancelling WordPerfect Macintosh.)
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
eh - I'd moderate you up "informative" for that.
I didn't know about the more open files with OS 9.
How many more? I've got a LOT of fonts.
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Yes, Adobe has produced a LOT of suckage for the Mac market lately, (especially with their stubbornness on DPS, which was a big reason why OS X is delayed, because Apple had to roll their own display system, Quartz, which is arguably better, but still - is OS X going to ship in my lifetime? I've been waiting for Copeland since 1994 dammit!)
Symantec has also greatly SUCKED as far as keeping up to date. How long did it take for them to support HFS+? Even tho HFS+ was available as beta to developers for like a year before it shipped.
Um. Let me see, what other Mac software vendors SUCK. Intuit. Um, Hasbro. Um. NOvell, (not an accidental typo), Apple (can you say Cyberdog? OpenDoc? QD3D?). How about Palm - or whomever is responsible for that Palm Desktop attrocity, that we have to PAY EXTRA for, okay 2.x is much better, but why must we pay? I paid thru the NOSE for my meager Palm III hardware, software should NOT be extra. Ooops - the company I work for (which shall remain nameless).
Damn, I'm just in a shitty mood today. Everywhere I look. Heads up asses.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
"Why can't Apple just raise the liscencing costs. . ."
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Well, at the time of the clone-killing, that was the story, that Apple was raising it's licensing fees for OS 8, because their previous contract only applied to OS 7.x, and this OS was originally going to be 7.7, IIRC, but Apple changed it to 8, thus loopholing the OS out of the old, less lucrative contract. The cloners rebelled (according to the public story), and pulled out of the cloning business to spite Apple, except for Power Computing, who were going on with shipping new machines with the old OS, building Wintel clones too, and so Apple just bought them to put them out of their misery. That put a big damper on any remaining cloning activity.
Does it make a difference whether the cloners were eating Apples high-end hardware lunch? It shouldn't have if the cloners had accepted the new terms - which makes me believe that that's not what happened, because by all accounts, Apple wasn't asking for much more, Power Computing was rolling in cash, so they couldn't have been afraid to shave off a few more margin points to Apple, it could only have helped them, because it would have discouraged the small competitors.
Now, behind the scenes, the story may have been different, but Apple's story is, they played hardball with licensing fees, and the cloners chickened out.
". . . but giving Moto a stake in the platform would have given them much more incentive
to make better PPC chips. .
WTF is their incentive supposed to be? Selling more PPC chips! Make better chips, more people buy Apple machines - that's simple. What more stake should they need?
Nowadays, tho, the story is different. There IS LinuxPPC, even tho Be and NT are totally out of the game, Moto could stand to win BIG with LinuxPPC, and only IBM apparently has the vision to pursue that. Now I can understand why Moto doesn't want to get burned again (but how could they? who's going to burn them, Linus?) - but what I can't understand is why the hell IBM doesn't just STOP making anything supporting Intel chips, including software, and start making kick ass PPC - Linux boxes, and release all of it's software for Linux, or even AIX -PPC, or even, why the hell won't they finish OS/2 PPC?
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
oddly enough, that's not the first time I've heard this story. And I have a touch of wrist-tendonitis as well, probably caused by mousing, possibly aggrivated by typing. Maybe I *should* try this iMac mouse - but when I've played with store demos, I just hated them.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
1 - I want Apple to FORGET Carbon, forget Java in yellowbox -er Cocoa. And ship the technology they HAVE, excuse me, HAD a year ago. They're delaying it to polish Carbon integration, and converting Cocoa over so you can code in Java instead of Objective-C, which, IMO, is complete excrement.
2 - Yes, but why can't they unbundle the ATI cards, and say, hey, if you want to BTO a box on our site, we'll ship you a box w/o this substandard peice of crap (well, my big gripe is with ATI's drivers), and you can order one from a third party, or hey, we'll ship you a Doodoo 3 with our outrageous markup (which would still be preferable to paying the outrageous markup for the ATI crap which would just get chucked anyway).
3 - only Steve Jobs would disagree with this one.
4 - I explained myself with another post. I only sound ignorant of the PPC advantages - but really, this is in support of broad market acceptance, not penis length comparisons with celery.
5 - I have not read one positive review of the UI for QT 4.0 and Sherlock 2. What are they thinking, anyway? They sometimes listen to their customers, but often they don't.
5b - OS 9 kills ATM. Same reason I'm not going to buy OS 9. If I'm going to have to pay Adobe several hundred to upgrade my ancient copy of ATM Deluxe which works FINE on 8.6, then I'll wait until OS X comes out and breaks it again, so I don't have to pay for two ATM upgrades in 1 year. Perhaps this was technically unavoidable. It's not really Apple's fault that ATM Deluxe costs way, way too much, but then again, it's Apples fault anyone should NEED ATM Deluxe, because of the crappy OS reliance on file handles for loaded fonts (what, I can't have more than 200 or so fonts in my Fonts folder? I have 2000 on my NT box at work!)
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
No, Steve used quarterly profits as a smokescreen to try to pull some shit. Didn't work. Then again, have you seen AAPL's stock price? Whoo!
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
Okay, I can see how I came off as one of those "jerks who don't know PPC is twice as fast - because of RISC - etc."
Not the case- but here's why I still think it's necessary.
G3 came out.
Apple said "twice as fast". Used ByteMark. Inteliots said ByteMark sucks, use SPEC.
G4 came out.
Apple said "twice as fast". Used SPEC.
Now "they" say that benchmarks don't mean anything, hardware's still closed (IBM's POP), overpriced (difficult price/performance comparison), OS sucks (X), etc. etc.
MHz is the language the computer market understands. You can't convince people with something as esoteric (even though they mean well) as benchmarks. As soon as intel gained dominance in the 80s, and they latched onto MHz as a metric, as bogus as it is for x-platform comparison, the game was intel's. Now intel has been able to totally sit on their ass, as long as they can stay ahead in the MHz game. And that's what really sucks.
Now, not that I really care that my PPC runs at the same 700MHz as some intel "coppermine" (disclaimer - does *NOT* contain copper wiring!), nor do I care for bragging rights. A 700MHz G4 would be kick ass. And Moto SHOULD be able to deliver it (and I believe they are fully capable of doing it) if they didn't have their heads up their asses about what consumers want, and would pay TONS of money for, and what would put Motorola in Intel's current and enviable position in probably the space of 6 months.
Then I wouldn't have to worry about hiccups like this threatening the life of my favorite platform.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
until:
1. Ship Mac OS X already!
2. Unbundle ATI video
3. Ship Pro models with Pro keyboard and Pro mouse instead of crappy iMac kbd&mouse.
4. Reach MHz/price-parity with Intel.
5. Fix QT 4.0 and Sherlock UI.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
. . . and at that time, what would the BULK of PPC buyers have run as an OS on those kick-ass Moto G3 boxes? Certainly not Mac OS, because Moto would have driven their asses out of business.
yes, it's obvious to anyone watching Apple during the (wistful sigh) "cloning era", that Apple was totally incapable of keeping up, performance-wise with the cloners. As it is obvious today that Apple can't keep up with the accelerator vendors.
But LinuxPPC/MkLinux didn't really exist then, and NT PPC was obviously dead. It would definately have been the end of the PPC platform, period, if Apple had gone out of business. I don't think Apple is quite irrelevant yet, as far as the future of the PPC goes, but maybe in a year or two. . .
Face it, Moto needs Apple for the PPC more than Apple needs Moto. I wish Moto could have done something to help Apple keep up - but maybe Apple pissed off Moto by going to that 3rd-party PPC manufacturer that had that 700MHz demo (two years ago!), I forgot their name.
Others suggested that Apple simply unload the hardware side of the business, and focus only on software. Well, with the state Mac OS was in at that time, that would also have probably been suicide. Because Apple hardware was still largely driving demand for clones, and if Apple had pulled out, I think we'd have seen further marketshare decline, and a lot of the cloners would probably have died, and Moto might have decided that 5000 chips per year wasn't enough reason to keep PPC development going.
What happened was ugly - but I think it was the only survival path Apple could have taken. But now both companies are acting like spoiled children, and I'm contemplating buying a Celeron-based PC now. (until my prozac kicks in, that is)
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
What were you people expecting from MTV?
/. seems like an intelligent bunch, why does anyone here even WATCH MTV anyway? It's a piece of poo on a plate. (unless Ricky Martin throbs your nads)
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
www.macnn.com just reported that Apple has REVERSED the cancellation policy. So if you had an order that was cancelled, don't give up hope!
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
beep! - ."
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"Yeah, Chris, it's me again, Steve Jobs. I've calmed down a bit now. I've had my people call in a contractor to fix the wall, and the window, and they're bringing my chair back up from the parking-lot - they'll have to vacuum the broken glass off of it first, but it seems to have survived the fall. Anyway. I was thinking about this 7400 problem. . . excuse me. .
sounds of deep, slow, tantric breathing excercises. . .
"okay-close one. I'm feeling better now. Now you're engineers said you'd have this fixed, obviously it's not. We've had to make some changes to the lineup to compensate. Our customers won't be too happy, it'll likely impact sales, which means less 750's AND 7400's out the door, probably for a while to come. Well, I think I've come up with a plan. I'm gonna COME DOWN TO YOUR OFFICE AND @#*@^&$*)))!**$&#^(%&^@#$@# @$#&&%!$$#*@#!!! $^&@ ! YOUR @#@$#^@*&! PIECE OF @#$@#)*!! HEAD OFF, AND RAM IT UP YOUR @#$*(*@^&(*&#@^! AND &*@#$^&* IT WITH YOUR !@#*&^@^ AND BEAT THE @(*#$&( OUT OF YOUR )@#&^$%@*& CARCASS WITH MY @(*$&@#&*@#&&!"
(exited, worried voices in the background, sound of breaking glass, loud thuds, fabric tearing, "NO! NO! STEVE! DON-!! more glass breaking)
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on Glenn Gienko's voice mail; 5 minutes later. . .
"Glen? Steve Jobs. .
(female voice in background - "you're bleeding, can I -" unintelligible - Steve whispering, "no, no, just leave")
". . . yeah, Steve here, could you do me a favor and FIRE Chris Galvin for me!! Hell, just f^@$*ing fire EVERYONE dammit, fire them all and transfer them to Hell!"
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"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
No, they did proper testing, they knew there were going to be problems, that's what was up with the whole "Yikes!" project (G4 original 400, now 350, based on the Yosemite motherboard). The "bad" chip was never released (500MHz), smart move. Unfortunately, Apple was apparently counting on Moto to resolve both this 500MHz bug, and the production problems in time for the G4 box's debut.
Unfortunately, Moto's head will probably take a lot more wiggling and pulling to get it out of it's ass.
What a PR disaster for Apple if they end up having to sue Motorola for being the ameteurish fuckups that they are.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
no. More likely Moto is fucking Apple, because Moto, for some reason, doesn't seem to give a crap about the future of the PowerPC, and probably the only way they can get out of contractual obligations to Apple is by producing a crappy product.
G4 and AltiVec were certainly behind schedule, and Moto certainly doesn't sell it's chips with flashy TV ads like Intel does (they rely on Apple alone), and Motorola doesn't seem to like to evangelize the PPC platform - hell, they've dumped all their PPCs internally and went to DELL-NT systems. All in one fell swoop.
I think Apple should just tell Motorola to take a flying leap, and use IBM as a sole supplier (but they'll have to grease IBM's palm somewhat to get them to produce chips with AltiVec)
I'm just really, really, unhappy at Motorola, that's all. Apple has always been totally screwed over because of them. Sometimes, I swear Moto's run by a bunch of Intel double-agents.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
I can say that on and off, I've had problems with 8.6, but mostly, 8.6 has been rock solid for me.
Usually the problem turns out to be either a F#&!ed up ATI driver, or Epson driver. ATI and Epson really really really suck. I will not buy a new G4 Mac until they do 3 things: fix the G4 speed limit, release OS X consumer, offer a machine without an ATI card (so I can buy a decent accelerator from a manufacturer that gives a shit about driver quality).
The really goofy problem I get is, sometimes, my printer heads clog, and then things get unstable, hangs and not even printing related application crashes. I can clean the heads, and it doesn't fix the problem. Then I reinstall the Epson drivers, and everything is kosher-stable again.
I definately won't ever buy an Epson printer again. Take that to the bank.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
They laughed at me back at the institute. Called me mad. I'll show them. I'm not the one that's crazy. THEY'RE all crazy. . .
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
Actually, it was the AUDIO people who were really put off by the lack of expansion slots - the photo-video people didn't really give much of a rat's ass, 3 was pretty much sufficient for a pair of SCSI cards, and a high-end video card.
But with the FireWire and USB, this situation is near to being remedied (as soon as all those nifty mainstream FireWire devices come out!)
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
right. And NT 4.0 running Exchange is all the Enterprise Messaging Platform anybody will ever need.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
What has been truly disgusting about this whole thing is that companies that DON'T use GM foods (or livestock hormone treatments) in their products are LEGALLY FORBIDDEN from labelling their products "GM Free" or "rGBH Free" (or it might be the converse - that the US Government has forbidden the labelling of GM foods as such) - in either case - there's some legislative voodoo going on that, bottom line, FORBIDS consumers from making an informed choice, and thereby applying market forces to eliminate these technologies. The arguments against the labeling are such garbage as "the consumers have bought into this hysteria which has no sound scientific basis, so it would be economically harmful to allow labeling". This attitude generally came about through the use of expensive biotech industry lobbyists.
Folks, Intel's USB 2.0 FUD may be evil, Microsoft Passport may be evil - but this stuff is capital-E Evil. Evil of the worst sort. Nasty McEvil. Bad, bad, bad, bad, goes against everything I believe in Evil. If the biotech companies have an image problem, then they need to fix it, and fund some good compelling studies that support their position - apparently they haven't been able to do that, and possibly it's cheaper to hire lobbyists (ie- bribe politicians).
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."