You're right those Teledyne forks were flexy. I've seen one of those collapse entirely under heavy braking on a downhill.
And I did most of my racing in Vermont and the Adirondacks. Smuggler's Notch was quite the "experience" on that thing. The biggest problem I had with it was that the spring rate could actually cause hobby horseing of the entire bike. The low weight was no advantage in climbs if you had to slow down to keep the bike stable. Nowadays I guess I'd just swap out the fork for a carbon.
I don't personally like ti frames
I don't like them for racing, but I love them for training and it might be the ideal touring bike material (except maybe for repairability at a welding shop in East Bumfuck). I'm still a man of steel (my own. There's something about using tools that you've made yourself), it's the 90% solution to everything, but Ben's Nove, a combination of carbon and Ti, looks promising.
Well, I have been relegated to join you in the "Shut the fuck up" corner. Looks like a decent enough place to bang your head against the wall; and if the damn thing does blow up or something I'll buy you a beer, or something.
In the sense that they didn't bother to research the phrase, yes. In sense that phrases get forshortened in speach (perhaps being turned into an acronym like radar), no. Or words get forshortened in typing, like ls.
misunderstanding of "couldn't care less"
Find me a native speaker who can actually misunderstand the phrase "couldn't care less." Even in East Bumfuck.
The "viola" case is an interesting one, since it's obvious not a misheard version of "voila" -- unlike the other common version "walla". I suspect "viola" arose from misreading the word, not mishearing.
Here I agree you are correct and I was sloppy. You might call it laziness. I would call it fucked up. An idiom. It doesn't really mean that I was having sexual intercourse in the positive direction of the normal axis to the tangent of the Earth's surface.
Well, that's cool then, 'cause that won't even get you in line for a used one.
Tell ya what, since you're interested in space, not boats, why don't you take the direct approach and get in touch with Burt and arrange to run his passenger flights for him, at your expense, your profit. A lease agreement, just like with . ..an airline.
Piece of cake and lots of money to be made. You're just one signed passenger away from being a millionaire.
But you might well find that the very first step you have to take after inking the deal is to hold a press conference and then go on a speaking tour to stump up your startup money and find your first passenger. If you don't simply have a godzillion dollars from somewhere, that's . ..how . ..it's . ..done.
It doesn't matter whether it's boats, or bikes, or cars, or space ships. That's a McGuffin. It's a business; and one reliant on continuing cutting edge R&D at that. Go read a history of Henry Ford. It's exactly the same deal.
And Henry had to quit designing cars to run his car company.
Do you really want Burt Frickin' Rutan to have to quit designing just to play footsie with some rich twits?
Establishing an airliner? WTF? Seriously dude, require your passenger to aquire a pilot's license, do the minimum required number of flight hours and designate them as a co-pilot.
With that strategy they should have people all ready to fly next week, eh?
Perhaps the people running the private space programs know something about the legalities and economics of running a private space program that you don't?
Here's something for you to try that might teach you about some of the problems involved:
Start an America's Cup racing team. Try financing it, after the race, by giving people rides on the boat. That will require you to have a commercial captain's license, but maybe you can get around that by requiring that all of your paying passengers have commericial mates licenses and, officially at least, sign them on as crew. When someone offers you five grand to give a talk and introduce you to some potential sponsors tell 'em to go to hell. You don't have time for that, you have a business to run.
Because the winner of the X-Prize just took the money and then went on speaking tours.
Because his program needs the money?
I've been trying to put together a RAAM team. This will require what for me is a lot of money. To form the team and compete successfully I need to be home training, forming and training my crew, putting together the gear, planning strategy and tactics, etc.
To get the money I need to be away from home, giving talks, courting sponsors, making public appearances for the benefit of my sponsors, etc.
If you know how I can get 14 day weeks while everyone else remains on the common 7 day system, I'm all ears.
Or you could just send me a really big check.
Let's say I pull all of this off, actually win the race (not really possible as a rookie) and collect the prize money. That will mean I've made. ..about negative $20k.
Collecting prize money typically offsets some of the losses. It doesn't actually return a profit. "Profit" comes from. . .
Going out on the speaking tours, courting sponsors, etc., to stump up more money for the next race.
Or you could just send me a really big check.
Post one to Burt while you're at it. He needs one.
No, it's an erroneous reproduction of the older idiom "I couldn't care less"
I couldn't care less is not an idiom. It is a phrase that means what it says.
. ..prior knowledge of the "meaning"
Exactly. That's what defines as an idiom and why:
Outside of the US, "I could care less" is seen as the nonsensical error it is. ..
Because outside the US the idiom has no meaning, not having shared the cultural derivation of the phrase.
Even *within* the US, people with a decent English education realise the former is a perversion . ..
The whole point of sarcastic/ironic usage.
The meaning of "I couldn't care less" is quickly and easily understood, whether the phrase is heard or read. The same cannot be said for "I could care less".
Because it requires the specialized knowledge that is required to understand any and all idioms, like "keep it on the black part," which actually means "take care of yourself."
This is because the latter is (supposedly) a shortening of a longer phrase that requires a suitably sarcastic intonation to communicate meaning, whereas the former is coherent on its own.
Well, we certainly won't allow any phrases to come into spoken use that can be misunderstood in print because of the lack of inflection. That would be wrong. Right.
Incidentally, the word you're after is "sarcastic", not "ironic".
ironic
adj 1: humorously sarcastic or mocking; "dry humor"; "an ironic remark often conveys an intended meaning obliquely"
That's not an example of laziness. That's an example of ignorance and substituting a familiar word.
Viola! is a fairly common example, which actually has one more syllable than the correct word. It's antilazy.
Ignorance changes can be identified because the word substituted sounds similar, but has an unrelated meaning, the root cause being that the speaker doesn't actually know what the word/phrase means, whereas opposites changes most often sound entirely different, the root cause being intentional irony.
You gotta be joking. Titanium has been used in bicycles for years, and in aerospace for decades.
Bought a titanium bike frame made by Teledyne in '74. They used the same facilities to build the bike that they had developed for making Space Shuttle bits. Nobody else has yet made a titanium bike quite like this one because Teledyne was able to make everything, such as tubing and fork crowns, custom in house, without relying on purchasing parts. I miss that bike. Traded it for a steel Cinelli. Took 28 seconds of my 10 mile TT PB the first time I rode it. Stiffness never was one of the virtues of the Teledyne, but it rode like a dream. The best long hauler I've ever ridden. Could have used some damping material injected into the fork or something. It could flex sympathetically on washboard roads.
Been thinking about getting a Spectrum, which is actually made by Merlin to Tom Kellog's specs, but I've known Ben Serotta since he was a 21 year old kid opening his first bike shop, and he started making titanium frames awhile ago and I figure I should give them look over.
I think it's a lazy version of "I couldn't care less".
Laziness does not tend merely to change a word. It shortens phrases into a code version of the original. When a single word changes it's usually intentional, like bad meaning good.
Personally, I like "I could care less, but it's not work the effort."
If you aren't shy about performing such acts in public, could you elucidate?
KFG
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Exactly! Although it's actually a Windstar I've been looking at. I seem to be going through a reverse midlife crisis, trading in a lifetime of hot two seater ownership to get a minivan.
What's happening to me? If I didn't also find myself recently drooling over a Pontiac (Ow!) Solstice I'd be getting worried about myself. I asked the salesman, "Assuming I have my girlfriend with me, where do I put this?" and waved my guitar case at him.
He replied, "Keep the guitar, get rid of the girl."
Maybe he's right.
Or maybe I'll just get a minivan. It seems to suit my needs at the moment.
Sure. It's been done before on every type of media you can name. The only thing that's "new" in this is the actual observation of the human behavior, people running things that they just found lying around, even when they knew they were in the middle of a security audit.
It's not exactly news that people are idiots either, but every now and then you have to hold up an example to remind them. ..until they forget. ..again.
Wouldn't that be "but frankly I couldn't care less"?
I knew that was the one that was going to draw fire.
It's an idiom, "an expression whose meanings cannot be inferred from the meanings of the words that make it up." It doesn't mean what it literally says, just as "eat their lunch" doesn't mean that VMware is raiding the Microsoft cafeteria.
It is a shortened version of the ironic phrase, "I suppose I could care less, but I don't know how."
An older, less crude version of "I give a fuck," (shortened from "Do I look like I give a fuck?")and related to "Yeah, right."
Or do you subscribe to the belief that "if everyone does something wrong, it's right"?
I subscribe to the idea that when constructing a post out of what everyone does it would be incorrect to "correct" it, because then it wouldn't be what everyone does, would it? The whole point of the post was to use a series of phrases that do not actually mean what they say. Or do you believe that issues really have color (or literal lack thereof)?
In any case it is hard to escape the fact that language really is just the historical accident of what everyone does, like the end results or not (and I not infrequently don't. You can get my goat by calling a Van Dyke a Goatee). If you go read the O.E.D. carefully you'll find that it does not define the English language, it records its literary history. It requires occasional revision not merely because the language grows, but because the meaning of the same words often changes.
Sure it does. Just because you aren't clued in to the idiomatic meaning doesn't mean it's ready to buy the farm. Not that it's a black and white issue, mind you, but frankly I could care less.
Welcome to Web 2.0, or "Information for the Attention Deficiant."
What we used to call the abstract is now being passed off as the actual article. This one happens to be a blog so it would be easy to pass it off as a blogosphere thing, but it isn't really. Even the "mainstream" online journals are guilty. And the print journals are beginning to follow suit. Magazines are hardly worth reading anymore, because few of them actually contain anything to read. It would be one thing if any of them reached the quality of the original Life, but Maxim seems to be the new model to emulate.
At least most of the blogs manage to put it all on one page of text. It'll take 'em a few more years to emulate smearing a single paragraph over 40 pages.
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3. is still quite unknown.
SCO is a ninja. They are not actually expected to survive. The only important thing is if they can successfully pull off the hit before they go down.
KFG
do they just put the kernel source on a dartboard, throw, and what gets hit - they own it!
Bullseye!
KFG
You're right those Teledyne forks were flexy. I've seen one of those collapse entirely under heavy braking on a downhill.
And I did most of my racing in Vermont and the Adirondacks. Smuggler's Notch was quite the "experience" on that thing. The biggest problem I had with it was that the spring rate could actually cause hobby horseing of the entire bike. The low weight was no advantage in climbs if you had to slow down to keep the bike stable. Nowadays I guess I'd just swap out the fork for a carbon.
I don't personally like ti frames
I don't like them for racing, but I love them for training and it might be the ideal touring bike material (except maybe for repairability at a welding shop in East Bumfuck). I'm still a man of steel (my own. There's something about using tools that you've made yourself), it's the 90% solution to everything, but Ben's Nove, a combination of carbon and Ti, looks promising.
And I have a soft spot for Ben.
KFG
putting my name and profile into a database at the NSA does nothing to aid security (I promise :).
You will not be the judge of that. Enjoy Cuba.
KFG
Maybe Cowboy Neal is smoking weed to stay . . . awake?
I don't know, maybe that Dutch shit is different, or the truckers have got it all wrong.
KFG
irregardless.
Laziness.
KFG
Well, I have been relegated to join you in the "Shut the fuck up" corner. Looks like a decent enough place to bang your head against the wall; and if the damn thing does blow up or something I'll buy you a beer, or something.
KFG
You call it ignorance, I called it laziness
In the sense that they didn't bother to research the phrase, yes. In sense that phrases get forshortened in speach (perhaps being turned into an acronym like radar), no. Or words get forshortened in typing, like ls.
misunderstanding of "couldn't care less"
Find me a native speaker who can actually misunderstand the phrase "couldn't care less." Even in East Bumfuck.
The "viola" case is an interesting one, since it's obvious not a misheard version of "voila" -- unlike the other common version "walla". I suspect "viola" arose from misreading the word, not mishearing.
Here I agree you are correct and I was sloppy. You might call it laziness. I would call it fucked up. An idiom. It doesn't really mean that I was having sexual intercourse in the positive direction of the normal axis to the tangent of the Earth's surface.
KFG
I wouldn't blow that on a boat
.an airline.
.how . . .it's . . .done.
Well, that's cool then, 'cause that won't even get you in line for a used one.
Tell ya what, since you're interested in space, not boats, why don't you take the direct approach and get in touch with Burt and arrange to run his passenger flights for him, at your expense, your profit. A lease agreement, just like with . .
Piece of cake and lots of money to be made. You're just one signed passenger away from being a millionaire.
But you might well find that the very first step you have to take after inking the deal is to hold a press conference and then go on a speaking tour to stump up your startup money and find your first passenger. If you don't simply have a godzillion dollars from somewhere, that's . .
It doesn't matter whether it's boats, or bikes, or cars, or space ships. That's a McGuffin. It's a business; and one reliant on continuing cutting edge R&D at that. Go read a history of Henry Ford. It's exactly the same deal.
And Henry had to quit designing cars to run his car company.
Do you really want Burt Frickin' Rutan to have to quit designing just to play footsie with some rich twits?
I thought that was the initial complaint.
KFG
Establishing an airliner? WTF? Seriously dude, require your passenger to aquire a pilot's license, do the minimum required number of flight hours and designate them as a co-pilot.
With that strategy they should have people all ready to fly next week, eh?
Perhaps the people running the private space programs know something about the legalities and economics of running a private space program that you don't?
Here's something for you to try that might teach you about some of the problems involved:
Start an America's Cup racing team. Try financing it, after the race, by giving people rides on the boat. That will require you to have a commercial captain's license, but maybe you can get around that by requiring that all of your paying passengers have commericial mates licenses and, officially at least, sign them on as crew. When someone offers you five grand to give a talk and introduce you to some potential sponsors tell 'em to go to hell. You don't have time for that, you have a business to run.
Good luck.
KFG
* Yes, I was probably the only person in the entire world who actually had a taste for Tang.
I did. In about 1960.
KFG
Because the winner of the X-Prize just took the money and then went on speaking tours.
.about negative $20k.
Because his program needs the money?
I've been trying to put together a RAAM team. This will require what for me is a lot of money. To form the team and compete successfully I need to be home training, forming and training my crew, putting together the gear, planning strategy and tactics, etc.
To get the money I need to be away from home, giving talks, courting sponsors, making public appearances for the benefit of my sponsors, etc.
If you know how I can get 14 day weeks while everyone else remains on the common 7 day system, I'm all ears.
Or you could just send me a really big check.
Let's say I pull all of this off, actually win the race (not really possible as a rookie) and collect the prize money. That will mean I've made. .
Collecting prize money typically offsets some of the losses. It doesn't actually return a profit. "Profit" comes from. . .
Going out on the speaking tours, courting sponsors, etc., to stump up more money for the next race.
Or you could just send me a really big check.
Post one to Burt while you're at it. He needs one.
KFG
Why hasn't the private industry boomed?
Because it loses money?
KFG
Ah well, you've been modded troll right off the bat, but my very first reaction to the blurb was:
Yeah, now it's "more functional," but if it blows up that will turn into "pressured into reducing safeguards to appear more functional."
Only time will tell.
KFG
No, it's an erroneous reproduction of the older idiom "I couldn't care less"
.prior knowledge of the "meaning"
.
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I couldn't care less is not an idiom. It is a phrase that means what it says.
. .
Exactly. That's what defines as an idiom and why:
Outside of the US, "I could care less" is seen as the nonsensical error it is. .
Because outside the US the idiom has no meaning, not having shared the cultural derivation of the phrase.
Even *within* the US, people with a decent English education realise the former is a perversion . .
The whole point of sarcastic/ironic usage.
The meaning of "I couldn't care less" is quickly and easily understood, whether the phrase is heard or read. The same cannot be said for "I could care less".
Because it requires the specialized knowledge that is required to understand any and all idioms, like "keep it on the black part," which actually means "take care of yourself."
This is because the latter is (supposedly) a shortening of a longer phrase that requires a suitably sarcastic intonation to communicate meaning, whereas the former is coherent on its own.
Well, we certainly won't allow any phrases to come into spoken use that can be misunderstood in print because of the lack of inflection. That would be wrong. Right.
Incidentally, the word you're after is "sarcastic", not "ironic".
ironic
adj 1: humorously sarcastic or mocking; "dry humor"; "an ironic remark often conveys an intended meaning obliquely"
KFG
Joe Q. Public likes Jessica R. Abbit. . .He's more likely to respond to that ad. . .
She's not ad, she's just dawn that way.
KFG
That's an old wise tale.
That's not an example of laziness. That's an example of ignorance and substituting a familiar word.
Viola! is a fairly common example, which actually has one more syllable than the correct word. It's antilazy.
Ignorance changes can be identified because the word substituted sounds similar, but has an unrelated meaning, the root cause being that the speaker doesn't actually know what the word/phrase means, whereas opposites changes most often sound entirely different, the root cause being intentional irony.
KFG
You gotta be joking. Titanium has been used in bicycles for years, and in aerospace for decades.
Bought a titanium bike frame made by Teledyne in '74. They used the same facilities to build the bike that they had developed for making Space Shuttle bits. Nobody else has yet made a titanium bike quite like this one because Teledyne was able to make everything, such as tubing and fork crowns, custom in house, without relying on purchasing parts. I miss that bike. Traded it for a steel Cinelli. Took 28 seconds of my 10 mile TT PB the first time I rode it. Stiffness never was one of the virtues of the Teledyne, but it rode like a dream. The best long hauler I've ever ridden. Could have used some damping material injected into the fork or something. It could flex sympathetically on washboard roads.
Been thinking about getting a Spectrum, which is actually made by Merlin to Tom Kellog's specs, but I've known Ben Serotta since he was a 21 year old kid opening his first bike shop, and he started making titanium frames awhile ago and I figure I should give them look over.
Shit's old hat.
KFG
You think?
Yes. That's why I said it.
I think it's a lazy version of "I couldn't care less".
Laziness does not tend merely to change a word. It shortens phrases into a code version of the original. When a single word changes it's usually intentional, like bad meaning good.
Personally, I like "I could care less, but it's not work the effort."
I could care less.
KFG
If you aren't shy about performing such acts in public, could you elucidate?
KFG
Exactly! Although it's actually a Windstar I've been looking at. I seem to be going through a reverse midlife crisis, trading in a lifetime of hot two seater ownership to get a minivan.
What's happening to me? If I didn't also find myself recently drooling over a Pontiac (Ow!) Solstice I'd be getting worried about myself. I asked the salesman, "Assuming I have my girlfriend with me, where do I put this?" and waved my guitar case at him.
He replied, "Keep the guitar, get rid of the girl."
Maybe he's right.
Or maybe I'll just get a minivan. It seems to suit my needs at the moment.
KFG
Sure. It's been done before on every type of media you can name. The only thing that's "new" in this is the actual observation of the human behavior, people running things that they just found lying around, even when they knew they were in the middle of a security audit.
.until they forget. . .again.
It's not exactly news that people are idiots either, but every now and then you have to hold up an example to remind them. .
KFG
Wouldn't that be "but frankly I couldn't care less"?
I knew that was the one that was going to draw fire.
It's an idiom, "an expression whose meanings cannot be inferred from the meanings of the words that make it up." It doesn't mean what it literally says, just as "eat their lunch" doesn't mean that VMware is raiding the Microsoft cafeteria.
It is a shortened version of the ironic phrase, "I suppose I could care less, but I don't know how."
An older, less crude version of "I give a fuck," (shortened from "Do I look like I give a fuck?")and related to "Yeah, right."
Or do you subscribe to the belief that "if everyone does something wrong, it's right"?
I subscribe to the idea that when constructing a post out of what everyone does it would be incorrect to "correct" it, because then it wouldn't be what everyone does, would it? The whole point of the post was to use a series of phrases that do not actually mean what they say. Or do you believe that issues really have color (or literal lack thereof)?
In any case it is hard to escape the fact that language really is just the historical accident of what everyone does, like the end results or not (and I not infrequently don't. You can get my goat by calling a Van Dyke a Goatee). If you go read the O.E.D. carefully you'll find that it does not define the English language, it records its literary history. It requires occasional revision not merely because the language grows, but because the meaning of the same words often changes.
Because enough people do something wrong.
KFG
Is this phrase really in common usage?
Yes.
It doesn't make any sense.
Sure it does. Just because you aren't clued in to the idiomatic meaning doesn't mean it's ready to buy the farm. Not that it's a black and white issue, mind you, but frankly I could care less.
Keep it on the black part, dude.
KFG
Welcome to Web 2.0, or "Information for the Attention Deficiant."
What we used to call the abstract is now being passed off as the actual article. This one happens to be a blog so it would be easy to pass it off as a blogosphere thing, but it isn't really. Even the "mainstream" online journals are guilty. And the print journals are beginning to follow suit. Magazines are hardly worth reading anymore, because few of them actually contain anything to read. It would be one thing if any of them reached the quality of the original Life, but Maxim seems to be the new model to emulate.
At least most of the blogs manage to put it all on one page of text. It'll take 'em a few more years to emulate smearing a single paragraph over 40 pages.
KFG