Yeah, my city uses the same strategy. When people leave because the taxes are twice as high as neighboring towns they raise the taxes to intice them back.
But at least they lower services at the same time, so we've got that going for us.
Bubba gets in trouble when you accuse him, just as you are in trouble (and thus in a holding cell with Bubba in the first place) because someone accused you of something?
You then play the tape at trial to convict him, where the judge may well protect you with an order that the jury alone can view it.
I can fully understand your wish to prosecute Bubba, but where do you get the idea that it's a choice between broadcast on the Superbowl and Bubba not getting in trouble?
As one of the respondents so graphically notes the issue is not the recording of jailhouse events, but the public broadcast of same.
Do you really want yourself, unjustly accused in the first place (and what social value is served by public humiliation of the unjustly accused?), publicly becoming Bubba's bitch? Recorded for all time?
The only possible real value of this to the public is actually to place the law officers on their best behavior.
To gain maximum value from this we would need to live in a society that does not equate accusation with guilt, but, unfortunately, we do not.
I'm beginning to decry standards. With standards you wouldn't get the giraffe or the duck-billed platypus. OS should evolve.
ASCII is evolving into unicode. SGML has spawned HTML and XML. Open standards do not imply stagnation of standards, they imply equal access to standards, whatever they may be.
Thus allowing software to freely evolve, because standards aren't equivilent to animals, they are equivilent to the basic rules of genetic coding. DNA.
Thus we have vi/emacs/pico/OpenOffice Writer/Kword/etc
Which, because they all share the genetic standard of ASCII may interbreed to create something new.
Try that with a giraffe and a duck billed platypus.
Where open standards have the appearance of being stagnant it is usually because they have reached the level of the cockroach. What we have works well enough that there's no reason to change it.
If you check out you state laws, you'll find that the local police, state highway patrol, etc. are exempt from the speed limit.
I checked out my state laws and found out that they aren't.
They are permited to exceed the limit when in hot pursuit or when calibrating their speedometers. At all other times they are as legally bound to the limit as you and I.
The same applies to right of way rules.
Running lights at 90 mph in order to be first in line at Dunkin Donuts is right out; and if they hurt anybody while doing so they are in deep, deep shit, because they have violated the law.
Ummmmmmmm, it isn't the royalties of the OSS software that must be payed, but the royalties on the patent that must be payed to the patent holder by the OSS writer/distributor.
Ya know, give away software, owe a few hundreds of millions of dollars? That would wipe out the Doritos fund of most OSS projects.
A fixed wing license and minimum number of hours flying same is a necessary prerequisite for a helicopter license. All helicopter pilots are damned fine fixed wing pilots.
Asking a helicopter pilot to fly an airplane is like asking a neurosurgeon to perform an appendectomy or deliver a baby. They have not only trained for it, but have years of practical experience in hospital internship and residency before they can be board certified as a neurosurgeon.
Mr. Goglia is no doubt a very fine computer engineer beyond his work on hard drives and a damned fine industrial process manager as well, or he wouldn't have been a Head of Operations at Seagate in the first place.
Flying a helicopter is not an issue of propriatary knowledge for which a noncompete clause would be enforcable. The issue is trade secrets, not the right to work. There are also other cities. The job of pilot carries the possible requirement for relocation as an innate part of the profession and having to relocate to work is not legally a stricture against working.
The case at hand is one in which you would be prohibited from flying for anybody, anywhere in the world. That's different.
A gentelman like Mr. Goglia is also not in the postition of having to drop down to a $6.75/hr. salary, he may fly an airplane as well as a helicopter, such advanced skills innately implying noncompeting skills as well. Mr. Goglia's primary skill is in industrial project management, not hard drives. He could likely find a similar position with similar salary at nVidia or General Motors. He is not being restricted from working with either hardware or software. Only hard drives, and even there only in those cases where his knowledge of Seagate's technology would be a competitive advantage to a commercial rival of Seagate.
To use your analogy he might be restricted from flying helicopters for another radio station, but not from flying helicopters for a land survey company.
If you have been working for 17 years at that salary level and are in debt to the hilt because of your mansion and luxury car you have mismanaged your money. The house and Beemer were never yours in the first place. You used somebody else's money to buy them and those somebodies thus have property rights in "your" property. If you do not return their money to them they will take their property. It's theirs.
Use your own money next time. Loans are not free money. They are tools of cashflow. Manage your cashflow well. Managing your cashflow well includes the assumption of reduction or cessation of income for periods of time, especially if you have signed a contract to that effect.
This may not apply entirely to your $6.75/hr. burger flipper who has to struggle just to get by , but then we aren't discussing jobs of that nature in the first place.
Just because some story involves the law doesn't mean it involves our rights online.
The fundamental precept of American law is the right. Thus all legal issues in American courts involve rights to some degree or other. All such questions of rights are inherently a question of your rights even if your are not a party to the action.
In this case the question is the right to develop and deploy certain methods of list sorting for use online. That would be your rights, as per above.
So what portion of this issue do you believe does not fit into the catagory of your rights online?
While I personally find these sorts of contract stipulations offensive I would note that it does not prevent someone from working and feeding his family. It prevents him from working in a directly related field.
Leaving every other job in the known universe open to him. Over specialization is extinction if your "ecological" niche dries up. A two year hiatus from one's prefered field might well even be an opportunity for studies that one might not otherwise have the time for, which could end up being an advantage in some situations. Go get your Masters or start working on that Ph.D., or take that trip the Serengeti you've always dreamed about. If you've managed your money well, instead of going further into hock than you can possibly ever pay, you can afford it.
All that said, the obvious solution to these sorts of clauses is to demand remumeration for the loss of salary due to the downtime as part of your severence package, a pay or play contract, although it could be argued that someone working at the level of Mr. Goglia ( he wasn't just your average code monkey) had that compensation built into his salary while he was working, and that he should have managed his professional/financial affairs taking a two year period of not working for a HD manufacturer into account.
Whoa! You mean they have it too? Far fuckin' out man. The fact that I have to deal with this while watching Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is just too much.
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Yeah, my city uses the same strategy. When people leave because the taxes are twice as high as neighboring towns they raise the taxes to intice them back.
But at least they lower services at the same time, so we've got that going for us.
KFG
Bubba gets in trouble when you accuse him, just as you are in trouble (and thus in a holding cell with Bubba in the first place) because someone accused you of something?
You then play the tape at trial to convict him, where the judge may well protect you with an order that the jury alone can view it.
I can fully understand your wish to prosecute Bubba, but where do you get the idea that it's a choice between broadcast on the Superbowl and Bubba not getting in trouble?
KFG
Inmates are unjustly convicted.
KFG
Let's try this again. We aren't discussing making a record. We're discussing publicly broadcasting same in real time.
I don't care even if a jury sees it. Vanity is not more important than justice.
Even? A jury seeing it is the primary requirement for justice. Your neighbor not seeing it may well also be a requirement for justice.
KFG
Not going to RTFA, why bother.
So you know WTF you're talking about?
KFG
That kinda depends on the audiance one is presenting too, since they're the ones that form a consensus on such things.
Exactly the reason for an independant review.
KFG
As one of the respondents so graphically notes the issue is not the recording of jailhouse events, but the public broadcast of same.
Do you really want yourself, unjustly accused in the first place (and what social value is served by public humiliation of the unjustly accused?), publicly becoming Bubba's bitch? Recorded for all time?
The only possible real value of this to the public is actually to place the law officers on their best behavior.
To gain maximum value from this we would need to live in a society that does not equate accusation with guilt, but, unfortunately, we do not.
KFG
I'm beginning to decry standards. With standards you wouldn't get the giraffe or the duck-billed platypus. OS should evolve.
ASCII is evolving into unicode. SGML has spawned HTML and XML. Open standards do not imply stagnation of standards, they imply equal access to standards, whatever they may be.
Thus allowing software to freely evolve, because standards aren't equivilent to animals, they are equivilent to the basic rules of genetic coding. DNA.
Thus we have vi/emacs/pico/OpenOffice Writer/Kword/etc
Which, because they all share the genetic standard of ASCII may interbreed to create something new.
Try that with a giraffe and a duck billed platypus.
Where open standards have the appearance of being stagnant it is usually because they have reached the level of the cockroach. What we have works well enough that there's no reason to change it.
KFG
When they put you on hold, they play music. Why not just connect all the people on hold together, and let them talk to each other ?
And charge them $4.95/minute.
KFG
Air is worth what you pay for it. Welcome to my oxygen bar.
KFG
If you check out you state laws, you'll find that the local police, state highway patrol, etc. are exempt from the speed limit.
I checked out my state laws and found out that they aren't.
They are permited to exceed the limit when in hot pursuit or when calibrating their speedometers. At all other times they are as legally bound to the limit as you and I.
The same applies to right of way rules.
Running lights at 90 mph in order to be first in line at Dunkin Donuts is right out; and if they hurt anybody while doing so they are in deep, deep shit, because they have violated the law.
KFG
And if the box says I went FTL does that mean the insurance company has to pay me?
KFG
One of the requirements for granting a patent is that it describe an invention or process that is nonobvious to one skilled in the art...
Like exercising your cats with a laser pointer.
KFG
There are no royalties with OSS.
Ummmmmmmm, it isn't the royalties of the OSS software that must be payed, but the royalties on the patent that must be payed to the patent holder by the OSS writer/distributor.
Ya know, give away software, owe a few hundreds of millions of dollars? That would wipe out the Doritos fund of most OSS projects.
KFG
Review the various SCO cases.
KFG
. . .you have to weigh your own concerns over privacy vs cost and make a decision that works for you.
Which is why I pay extra to send all of my snail mail first class in an envelope.
Your milage may well vary and you send everything on a post card because you don't plan to do anything illegal.
KFG
A fixed wing license and minimum number of hours flying same is a necessary prerequisite for a helicopter license. All helicopter pilots are damned fine fixed wing pilots.
Asking a helicopter pilot to fly an airplane is like asking a neurosurgeon to perform an appendectomy or deliver a baby. They have not only trained for it, but have years of practical experience in hospital internship and residency before they can be board certified as a neurosurgeon.
Mr. Goglia is no doubt a very fine computer engineer beyond his work on hard drives and a damned fine industrial process manager as well, or he wouldn't have been a Head of Operations at Seagate in the first place.
KFG
so why isn't IT called IT Online?
So that it might encompass IT.
KFG
Flying a helicopter is not an issue of propriatary knowledge for which a noncompete clause would be enforcable. The issue is trade secrets, not the right to work. There are also other cities. The job of pilot carries the possible requirement for relocation as an innate part of the profession and having to relocate to work is not legally a stricture against working.
The case at hand is one in which you would be prohibited from flying for anybody, anywhere in the world. That's different.
A gentelman like Mr. Goglia is also not in the postition of having to drop down to a $6.75/hr. salary, he may fly an airplane as well as a helicopter, such advanced skills innately implying noncompeting skills as well. Mr. Goglia's primary skill is in industrial project management, not hard drives. He could likely find a similar position with similar salary at nVidia or General Motors. He is not being restricted from working with either hardware or software. Only hard drives, and even there only in those cases where his knowledge of Seagate's technology would be a competitive advantage to a commercial rival of Seagate.
To use your analogy he might be restricted from flying helicopters for another radio station, but not from flying helicopters for a land survey company.
If you have been working for 17 years at that salary level and are in debt to the hilt because of your mansion and luxury car you have mismanaged your money. The house and Beemer were never yours in the first place. You used somebody else's money to buy them and those somebodies thus have property rights in "your" property. If you do not return their money to them they will take their property. It's theirs.
Use your own money next time. Loans are not free money. They are tools of cashflow. Manage your cashflow well. Managing your cashflow well includes the assumption of reduction or cessation of income for periods of time, especially if you have signed a contract to that effect.
This may not apply entirely to your $6.75/hr. burger flipper who has to struggle just to get by , but then we aren't discussing jobs of that nature in the first place.
KFG
Just because some story involves the law doesn't mean it involves our rights online.
The fundamental precept of American law is the right. Thus all legal issues in American courts involve rights to some degree or other. All such questions of rights are inherently a question of your rights even if your are not a party to the action.
In this case the question is the right to develop and deploy certain methods of list sorting for use online. That would be your rights, as per above.
So what portion of this issue do you believe does not fit into the catagory of your rights online?
KFG
While I personally find these sorts of contract stipulations offensive I would note that it does not prevent someone from working and feeding his family. It prevents him from working in a directly related field.
Leaving every other job in the known universe open to him. Over specialization is extinction if your "ecological" niche dries up. A two year hiatus from one's prefered field might well even be an opportunity for studies that one might not otherwise have the time for, which could end up being an advantage in some situations. Go get your Masters or start working on that Ph.D., or take that trip the Serengeti you've always dreamed about. If you've managed your money well, instead of going further into hock than you can possibly ever pay, you can afford it.
All that said, the obvious solution to these sorts of clauses is to demand remumeration for the loss of salary due to the downtime as part of your severence package, a pay or play contract, although it could be argued that someone working at the level of Mr. Goglia ( he wasn't just your average code monkey) had that compensation built into his salary while he was working, and that he should have managed his professional/financial affairs taking a two year period of not working for a HD manufacturer into account.
KFG
What do you suppose the energy costs of my pedal powered generator are?
What percentage of that do you suppose is the cost of fossil fuels?
KFG
Whoa! You mean they have it too? Far fuckin' out man. The fact that I have to deal with this while watching Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is just too much.
I need more adrinachrome.
KFG
Is that a `there's no such thing as a free lunch` reference
Yes.
KFG
The reason it isn't cheaper is because of the energy it requires to produce it.
Get it?
Lunch remains an expense.
KFG