Re:Did this violate copyright?
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No, because the two works share absolutely no similarity. In the case of the John Cage piece the pianist makes *no* noise for four minutes and thirtythree seconds, focusing the attention of the audience on the noises they themselves are making. ( And as an aside the piece isn't properly performed unless the pianist enters the hall, sits, opens the keyboard, THEN remains silent, and finishes the piece by closing the keyboard and taking a bow. That is how it is explicitly written)
In *this* case a piano is playing with a really low bass note underneath. Even deleting the piano a note is still being played, whether you can hear it or not.
KFG
Re:Sonny Bono strikes again
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They did not win a lawsuit. The parties reached agreement without litigation, both sides, in fact ( as is often the case in such matters), claiming victory.
If Mr. Bat had not explicitly given partial author's credit to Mr. Cage on the album the whole thing would likely never have come up in the first place.
What seems to have ticked off Cage's heirs is the implication that Mr. Bat and Mr. Cage had collaborated on the piece and was thus trading on his reputation without authority.
That seems to be the case. I found some listings for competitions and compulsories now seems to mean demonstrating certain elements, such as a hockey stop and a Lutz, but the actual school figures are out.
I guess I was just about the only one who actually enjoyed watching them trace figure eights. It had a certain "Zen" quality to it.
KFG
This could just as easily been called. . .
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How people are effected by the sound of tectonic plates moving, or how people are effected by the sound made by giant crickets from Mars ( which might well be good to know come the invasion)
Are you ready to Ruuuuuuuuummmmmmmble?
It's certainly no secret that people are effected by really, really low bass notes. As the article itself notes church organs have been using this trick to spice up the "Glory Hallelujahs" for centuries.
The part that's interesting is that seems to be a mood *enhancer*, rather producing any specific effect, so if the power of the Lord is already moving you that organ is going to move you more.
Let's hear it for the Church and gut level empiricism.
Don't install one of these "sub-sub-woofers" if you have pissy neighbors though. It reminds of the Bill Cosby joke about cocaine:
If your TV and your Monitor are the same size ( which is the only way to even vaguely make a comparison) I guess it's because you bought the zippiest, hottest, badest TV you could find, and bought your basic, "Well, it's a monitor, gimme a cheap one."
If your monitor and your TV are NOT the same size it's because your TV is *a lot bigger.* I'm not sure whether you've noticed this or not, but size matters.
MP3 does not mean "copied from someone else who holds the rights."
It's just a format for storing music. I have hours of mp3's on my desktop that *I* am the copyright holder to, as well as some that were perfectly legally distributed freely by the actual copyright holder.
MP3 players can be purchased because it's perfectly legal to play recorded music.
Also, the idea that, even without fair use law, you must have *written* permission to legally have rights to play an mp3 is wrong. It's perfectly legal to do it with a handshake, or a blanket permission statement on a web site.
Requiring it to be written is just to a)make life easier for them, and b) cover their own asses as tightly as possible, see a.
I've been getting old all of my life. I'm actually used to it. Since what I've always wanted to be when I grew up is a grumpy old man I'm certainly not afraid, and can't wait until I get there.
I'm afraid, sir, that it's quite impossible to keep your hands in the car at ANY time if you're driving a Lotus 7, if you wish to maintain anything vaguely resembling control.
I'm often wrong. It's a habit I've developed over decades. I've even gotten pretty good at it.
What's interesting is that in this case I pre considered the fact that the compulsories had been dropped while I wasn't looking and went to google before I posted.
There I found many recent references to the compulsories, including how boring the five hours of ice dancing compulsories were at the last Olympics.
If that were true then Battlestar Gallactica wouldn't make any sense at all.
KFG
Re:I thought that space had the space.
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I hate to appear snide ( when I don't mean to that is), but go out on some dark night. Look up.
You'll see stuff.
Ok, let's make it a little more interesting. Go out on a night that isn't so dark, because there's a half moon out. Bring a pair of binoculars with you.
Look at the moon. Notice that it's all coverd with holes. Those holes were caused by things in "empty" space hitting the moon. Amazingly big holes can be made by surprisingly small bits of stuff if they hit with enough energy.
The weight of the earth actually increases by tons every day from all the stuff in "empty" space falling on it. That's not counting the manmade stuff that's out there circling around waiting for its time to return to earth.
we used to buy the magazines, go to the stores and log on to the net to be eagerly greeted with hot new tech that made us want to immediately scrap the $10k worth of goodies we'd just bought the week before.
Now it seems that every day brings "innovations" that seem designed to further my intent to hang on to what I've got forever if I can manage it.
In my choice of The Patriot was a poor one. It was simply the one came first to mind. It was on the tube last night and I lasted about two minutes before I turned it off in disgust, and then went to read Roger's review.
It was simply formost in my mind, and only an example. The particular choice of movie does not effect my basic point, about movies.
Given that I'll still take something of an opposing side to you. Attrocities happened. Cherry Vally might have been a better subject for a movie but "The Butcher vs. The Swamp Fox" is all so much more. . . well, commercial don't you know.
If I have an objection in regards to the attrocities depicted in the movie it's that in real life *both sides* would have to share in that blame, but depicting that wouldn't have suited the flag waving purposes of the producers.
Civil wars are always the nastiest of business.
( As an aside I live in the Mohawk Vally, a few houses down from LaFeyette's old local headquarters, on the site of a French and Indian War massacre and grew up in Ethan Allen's old capital, just a few miles from the actual tree that served as a model for the Vermont flag. I've always been fascinated by the way some of these events are treated nearly as current events by people living today)
No, it means you can sue "the bastards that make it possible."
I'm afraid it doesn't necessarily do a thing to prevent anything from happening to your little sister.
This is simply "Security through feeling good about what you can do after the fact and thinking through some sort of sympathetic magic that that prevents the occurance in the first place."
It doesn't work, it never has, because it's all about profit margins. Which is why they sell the information in the first place.
Dealing crack is a risky business. You could even get killed. People do it because of the profit potential. If you can make enough money selling information to cover the potential loses through the off chance of a law suit there are people who will be glad to do it. Hell, they can probably even arrange insurance to cover them for this, not to mention most the profits mysteriously ending up somewhere untouchable by the courts.
Everyone forgets about that one. Although the focus was primarily on the charecter as a writer, he was *was* a full time writer of educational computer games.
for the most part, by putting simple charecters in complicated *times.* These are often the best and most compelling stories.
Gone With the Wind was a story like this. They certainly don't come much simpler than that whiney little Scarlett bitch. If she were *your* neighbor you'd probably like nothing more than to slap the hell out of her. But place that simple person in the path of the War of Northern Agression and you get a story.
I don't see any reason why this couldn't be done well with programers.
the screen always reflects nicely off the coating of their glasses lenses. That's the important part of hacking a computer, making sure your glasses are clean and polished.
I really like Roger Ebert. No, I really do, but I wish someone would email him your post. He, and a number of other reviewers, like to harp on movies like, oh, say The Patriot, for depicting events that *may* have been plausable, but were out of the ordinary. Oh sure, "The Butcher" really did exist, and he really did do some of the things fictionallized in the picture, but he was the *exception.*
Hey, Roger, Buy a clue. That's the whole point. You want to watch some guy wash colonial dishes for two hours? I sure don't.
It's the exceptions, even when we're talking "based on a true story", that are interesting.
Which would you rather watch, a movie about a kinda nice, sorta wacky drunk hanging out with sorta nice friends, or a movie where one of those friends he's hanging out with is a mystical 6 foot tall invisible white rabbit?
This is true of *some* musical works. Many *are* quite legally works for hire, if the artist agreed to such a contract. In that case (which is the majority) the labels are the legitimate owners in perpetuity. The big stink was over trying to make all such works "for hire" without the individually agreed upon contractual basis for such.
In any case, even in those instances where the terms of the right to copy are restricted ( which generally only happens with the "big" names with enough power to demand such contracts, not folk musicians or garage bands) such rights are still transferable.
So, you could make your profit for 10 years, and then donate the 20 remaining under the contract. Basically a sublease.
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No, because the two works share absolutely no similarity. In the case of the John Cage piece the pianist makes *no* noise for four minutes and thirtythree seconds, focusing the attention of the audience on the noises they themselves are making. ( And as an aside the piece isn't properly performed unless the pianist enters the hall, sits, opens the keyboard, THEN remains silent, and finishes the piece by closing the keyboard and taking a bow. That is how it is explicitly written)
In *this* case a piano is playing with a really low bass note underneath. Even deleting the piano a note is still being played, whether you can hear it or not.
KFG
They did not win a lawsuit. The parties reached agreement without litigation, both sides, in fact ( as is often the case in such matters), claiming victory.
If Mr. Bat had not explicitly given partial author's credit to Mr. Cage on the album the whole thing would likely never have come up in the first place.
What seems to have ticked off Cage's heirs is the implication that Mr. Bat and Mr. Cage had collaborated on the piece and was thus trading on his reputation without authority.
*Not* that he had simply recorded a silent piece.
KFG
That seems to be the case. I found some listings for competitions and compulsories now seems to mean demonstrating certain elements, such as a hockey stop and a Lutz, but the actual school figures are out.
I guess I was just about the only one who actually enjoyed watching them trace figure eights. It had a certain "Zen" quality to it.
KFG
How people are effected by the sound of tectonic plates moving, or how people are effected by the sound made by giant crickets from Mars ( which might well be good to know come the invasion)
Are you ready to Ruuuuuuuuummmmmmmble?
It's certainly no secret that people are effected by really, really low bass notes. As the article itself notes church organs have been using this trick to spice up the "Glory Hallelujahs" for centuries.
The part that's interesting is that seems to be a mood *enhancer*, rather producing any specific effect, so if the power of the Lord is already moving you that organ is going to move you more.
Let's hear it for the Church and gut level empiricism.
Don't install one of these "sub-sub-woofers" if you have pissy neighbors though. It reminds of the Bill Cosby joke about cocaine:
"It enhances my personality"
"Yeah, but what if you're an asshole?"
KFG
and no one has to be there at all.
KFG
If your TV and your Monitor are the same size ( which is the only way to even vaguely make a comparison) I guess it's because you bought the zippiest, hottest, badest TV you could find, and bought your basic, "Well, it's a monitor, gimme a cheap one."
If your monitor and your TV are NOT the same size it's because your TV is *a lot bigger.* I'm not sure whether you've noticed this or not, but size matters.
KFG
MP3 does not mean "copied from someone else who holds the rights."
It's just a format for storing music. I have hours of mp3's on my desktop that *I* am the copyright holder to, as well as some that were perfectly legally distributed freely by the actual copyright holder.
MP3 players can be purchased because it's perfectly legal to play recorded music.
Also, the idea that, even without fair use law, you must have *written* permission to legally have rights to play an mp3 is wrong. It's perfectly legal to do it with a handshake, or a blanket permission statement on a web site.
Requiring it to be written is just to a)make life easier for them, and b) cover their own asses as tightly as possible, see a.
KFG
I've been getting old all of my life. I'm actually used to it. Since what I've always wanted to be when I grew up is a grumpy old man I'm certainly not afraid, and can't wait until I get there.
I'm afraid, sir, that it's quite impossible to keep your hands in the car at ANY time if you're driving a Lotus 7, if you wish to maintain anything vaguely resembling control.
The ride, however, is quite enjoyable.
KFG
I'm often wrong. It's a habit I've developed over decades. I've even gotten pretty good at it.
What's interesting is that in this case I pre considered the fact that the compulsories had been dropped while I wasn't looking and went to google before I posted.
There I found many recent references to the compulsories, including how boring the five hours of ice dancing compulsories were at the last Olympics.
Go figure.
KFG
That would probably account for my not counting it, yes.
KFG
If that were true then Battlestar Gallactica wouldn't make any sense at all.
KFG
I hate to appear snide ( when I don't mean to that is), but go out on some dark night. Look up.
You'll see stuff.
Ok, let's make it a little more interesting. Go out on a night that isn't so dark, because there's a half moon out. Bring a pair of binoculars with you.
Look at the moon. Notice that it's all coverd with holes. Those holes were caused by things in "empty" space hitting the moon. Amazingly big holes can be made by surprisingly small bits of stuff if they hit with enough energy.
The weight of the earth actually increases by tons every day from all the stuff in "empty" space falling on it. That's not counting the manmade stuff that's out there circling around waiting for its time to return to earth.
Space isn't empty, it's just drawn that way.
KFG
What happens is relatively unspectacular. They vaporize. Quietly. They don't blow up or nothin'.
/kg.
The spectacular part is the approximate cost of $25k
Do you know how much a landfill weighs?
So we don't even have to go into the fact that the overall enviromental impact of doing this is greater than a properly managed landfill.
KFG
we used to buy the magazines, go to the stores and log on to the net to be eagerly greeted with hot new tech that made us want to immediately scrap the $10k worth of goodies we'd just bought the week before.
Now it seems that every day brings "innovations" that seem designed to further my intent to hang on to what I've got forever if I can manage it.
What's wrong with this picture?
KFG
Ah, but they fooled you this time. It isn't on your disk, it's on your motherboard.
Surprise!
KFG
Sure they do, they just don't televise them because they're "boring." That's what the "compulsories" are.
As for your question the only answer I can come up with is, an oxymoron.
KFG
In my choice of The Patriot was a poor one. It was simply the one came first to mind. It was on the tube last night and I lasted about two minutes before I turned it off in disgust, and then went to read Roger's review.
It was simply formost in my mind, and only an example. The particular choice of movie does not effect my basic point, about movies.
Given that I'll still take something of an opposing side to you. Attrocities happened. Cherry Vally might have been a better subject for a movie but "The Butcher vs. The Swamp Fox" is all so much more. . . well, commercial don't you know.
If I have an objection in regards to the attrocities depicted in the movie it's that in real life *both sides* would have to share in that blame, but depicting that wouldn't have suited the flag waving purposes of the producers.
Civil wars are always the nastiest of business.
( As an aside I live in the Mohawk Vally, a few houses down from LaFeyette's old local headquarters, on the site of a French and Indian War massacre and grew up in Ethan Allen's old capital, just a few miles from the actual tree that served as a model for the Vermont flag. I've always been fascinated by the way some of these events are treated nearly as current events by people living today)
Remember Cherry Vally!
KFG
No, it means you can sue "the bastards that make it possible."
I'm afraid it doesn't necessarily do a thing to prevent anything from happening to your little sister.
This is simply "Security through feeling good about what you can do after the fact and thinking through some sort of sympathetic magic that that prevents the occurance in the first place."
It doesn't work, it never has, because it's all about profit margins. Which is why they sell the information in the first place.
Dealing crack is a risky business. You could even get killed. People do it because of the profit potential. If you can make enough money selling information to cover the potential loses through the off chance of a law suit there are people who will be glad to do it. Hell, they can probably even arrange insurance to cover them for this, not to mention most the profits mysteriously ending up somewhere untouchable by the courts.
Shit is still going to happen.
KFG
How about Terrance Mann in Field of Dreams?
Everyone forgets about that one. Although the focus was primarily on the charecter as a writer, he was *was* a full time writer of educational computer games.
I thought it was done rather well.
KFG
for the most part, by putting simple charecters in complicated *times.* These are often the best and most compelling stories.
Gone With the Wind was a story like this. They certainly don't come much simpler than that whiney little Scarlett bitch. If she were *your* neighbor you'd probably like nothing more than to slap the hell out of her. But place that simple person in the path of the War of Northern Agression and you get a story.
I don't see any reason why this couldn't be done well with programers.
KFG
You're right of course. Most don't. The fact of the matter remains that *some* do.
.ummmm, nevermind.
So which ones?
Barney Miller ( believe it or not) was actually given an award by the NYC police dept. for their accurate portrayal of life in a small precinct.
The Electric Horseman ( although a bit doofey at times) gave a good, grity and accurate portrayal of the life of a modern rodeo cowboy.
I've seen vets cry after seeing We Were Soldiers, saying "Someone finally did it right."
I've seen pr0n with fat, ugly. .
We've got Office Space. Not perfect, but not bad really.
It's the exception that makes the rule, and the question was begging the exceptions.
KFG
the screen always reflects nicely off the coating of their glasses lenses. That's the important part of hacking a computer, making sure your glasses are clean and polished.
KFG
I really like Roger Ebert. No, I really do, but I wish someone would email him your post. He, and a number of other reviewers, like to harp on movies like, oh, say The Patriot, for depicting events that *may* have been plausable, but were out of the ordinary. Oh sure, "The Butcher" really did exist, and he really did do some of the things fictionallized in the picture, but he was the *exception.*
Hey, Roger, Buy a clue. That's the whole point. You want to watch some guy wash colonial dishes for two hours? I sure don't.
It's the exceptions, even when we're talking "based on a true story", that are interesting.
Which would you rather watch, a movie about a kinda nice, sorta wacky drunk hanging out with sorta nice friends, or a movie where one of those friends he's hanging out with is a mystical 6 foot tall invisible white rabbit?
I thought so. Me too.
It's all about telling a good story.
KFG
This is true of *some* musical works. Many *are* quite legally works for hire, if the artist agreed to such a contract. In that case (which is the majority) the labels are the legitimate owners in perpetuity. The big stink was over trying to make all such works "for hire" without the individually agreed upon contractual basis for such.
In any case, even in those instances where the terms of the right to copy are restricted ( which generally only happens with the "big" names with enough power to demand such contracts, not folk musicians or garage bands) such rights are still transferable.
So, you could make your profit for 10 years, and then donate the 20 remaining under the contract. Basically a sublease.
KFG
I have a 75 year old fridge that works fine. I have a 7 year old fridge that is 99% dead.
Why don't fridges last longer now, with our advanced technology that they did 75 years ago?
Think about it.
Just as I explained above, it's about *money*, not quality.
KFG