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Julez writes "Hi, Found this on icLiverpool's site, thought you might find this interesting.... A bizarre experiment in soundless music has revealed how people's emotions are affected by noises they cannot hear..."
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Well, if our emotions are affected by what we cannot hear, maybe it's a blessing in disguise that my new car stereo got ripped off on Sunday (from the church parking lot during service, nonetheless, bastards.....)
The effects of powerful but inaudible vibrations on the human body and nervous system...
Hell, I bet you could even make their ears bleed if you juice it up enough.
.. sounds we block out ourselves?
It would go a long way to explaining why talking to my mother still pains me, even after I drone her out..
Gotta remember to get one of those cannon thingies for next valentines day. Turn it on at just the right time and whammo. ;)
Some physical affects were also experienced, including tingling in the back of the neck and a strange feeling in the stomach.
Is it just me, or do you get the feeling that the pre-concert banquet might've been contaminated with something?
"This food is problematic."
I nominate them for an ig-nobel prize
The Sound of Silence, indeed.
Maybe she wouldn't get so mad if you spelled fiance correctly.
Spencer Ogden
I wonder if the individual experiences were determined by the location in which the listener sat. It would seem that standing waves could form, with some people getting blasted, while others feel nothing.
Not a very technical article, but interesting nonetheless.
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I hope you weren't refering to this part of the article: "Those feeling uncomfortable when the concert began, found their mood turning to anger."
Because then the whammo might be a door slamming, or a back-hand slamming ;)
... their emotions (mainly anger) are caused by not being ABLE to hear the sounds.
Maybe I can get a research grant for taking people and changing their emotions via wavelengths of light that nobody can see.
Yeah - this probably explains why my girlfriend's mood changes the same way whether I fart silently or not...
In Robert Heinlein's Sixth Column the good guys (defending America against Pan-Asian invaders) use "subsonics" to make people uneasy. That's what this study says "infrasound" (same thing, different name) would do: make people who were already nervous more nervous, without their knowing why.
I assumed this was already well known science; the other possibility is that Heinlein was uncannily prescient (even for him.)
Anyone have more background on this?
Now infrasound messages. Only... would a tinfoil hat work against these sounds, or just amplify them?
It would be an interesting experiment if they had a control group. The end of the story mentions some things they want to try, but if there was any type of control group, I didn't see it mentioned in the story.
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so terrorists couldn't use the information against us.
I'd rather see a crazy person running at me with a grenade than blasting me with music I can't hear that makes me mad.
Surely this has been known about for over a half century. One of Robert Heinlein's earliest novels, Sixth Column/The day after tomorrow contains examples of using subliminal music to frighten the occupying forces.
...when I feel the walls shake to the beat of some faraway b-boy with boom boom speakers filling up the back seat of their lame import I feel nothing but anger.
The meme police, They live inside of my head
Mr O'Keefe added: "When places affect people physically and they aren't able to explain it, they often attribute their feelings to being near a ghost."
And I would've gotten away with it, if it wasn't for you meddling kids!
Inanimate objects were also strangely affected by jumping off countertops, showing their incredible, pitiful anguish for the music's deep feelings. Buildings showed their emotion by creating cracks in their foundations, no doubt in sympathy for the bifircated feelings expressed in song.
An arbitrary experiment in contentless websites has revealed how people's emotions are unaffected by websites they cannot see...
Wait for it.... ah... slashdotted.
Jesus Christ. She's a girl, so it's fiancée.
"Hell, I bet you could even make their ears bleed if you juice it up enough."
Most modern music will do that.
Seriously I wonder if this can be used in psychological warfare? Bombard Saddam with this on a regular basis.
This is reminiscent of some of John Cage's avante-garde work. Here is the AMG write-up.
While his creations did not use inaudible sound explicitly, he is famous for his 4'33", a piece of this length completely silent. I have a friend who saw it "performed" live, and he was apparently quite moved. The pianist sits down at the piano, lifts the key-gaurd, and prepares to play. The performer remains attentive at the keys for 4 minutes and 33 seconds, then finishes and closes the key-guard.
My friend said he was struck by how open he became to the sounds around him, to the concertgoers. These were things he'd never heard before. And there was an order to it, that was somehow created from all of the audience members intensely focused on eachother.
Scientists have begun analysing the responses of 250 people who took part in the study into the effects of infrasound, carried out at Liverpool's Metropolitan Cathedral last September. They showed the audience's emotions intensified as the inaudible sound vibrations, too low for the human ear to perceive, were blasted out during a 50-minute piano recital.
This sounds an awful lot like depression, the intensified emotions that is. I know this is a little early to tell, but could these experiments help us understand depression a bit more?
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And right in the middle of a Clarinet solo.... "Ppbpbpbppbpbt! ppt. pbbbpbt!" Piles and piles.... Everywhere....
changes your mood poll.
1) The Silent Fart
2) The Wife/Girlfirend
3) That sound you *know* Uncle Sam makes as he dips into your pocket
4) The sound of your carrer flushing down the bowl post bubble.
5) The sound of my Karma flushing down the bowl after this post.
6)Cowbow Neal's Silent Farts
People would pay good money to see this guy sit down at a piano and NOT play it!
(Anyone remember his name?)
if you are looking to get rid of the silent treatment, try the following:
"Oh, the silent treatment? Good. Now I finally have some peace and quiet."
Guaranteed to put a loud and immediate stop to the silent treatment.
I wonder if they had to pay royalties to those who have copyrighted silence.
Those are the same responses one would expect with any audience coming to attend an experimental performance. Some would slowly get angry as they began to feel that their time had been wasted. Some would feel amused at watching the rest of the audience. Some would feel conspiritorial as they thought they realized the intent of what was happening - most Music 101 courses have a lecture mentioning experiments where a minute of silence is considered a work of art, where the "music" is the audiences reaction itself.
Don't expect any radical advancements into generalized knowledge about human emotional reaction based on this evidence.
Ryan Fenton
quite some time now. How many times have you actually read an OS-specific article and feel a strong urge to either back up comments promoting the stability or other "good" criteria of your OS of choice or lambast arguments mentioned by supporters of other OSs?
Almost every time? Heh, poor mortals... I bet you never view the source for the particular article now, didn't you? How else can you miss the <EMBED FILE="/sounds/brainwash/BSD_is_dead.wav" TYPE="sound/propaganda-OS_activism">.
Don't bother checking the pages now... I'm sure the Slashdot gods have now detected my blasphemous post and deleted such references accordingly.
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Those feeling uncomfortable when the concert began, found their mood turning to anger.
;- )
[...]
During the concert, guests were asked to fill in questionnaires
I know I tend to get a lil' angry when I'm asked to fill in questionnaires while I'm trying to enjoy a concert...
You can't take the sky from me...
according to this , these guys were'nt the first to address the issue.
"look ma! no hands!!!" - random amputee
This is nothing new to listeners of avante garde noise rock.
John Zorn experimented with high pitched frequencies outside of listeners' auditory range on Krystallnacht. Track 2 has high pitched frequencies that coexist with the sound of breaking glass that cause feelings of anger, pain and nausea. The liner notes discourage repeated listening (I kid you not).
The Flaming Lips Did this on Zaireeka, their 4-CD (played simultaneously) experiment--wherein they used frequencies lower than the normal auditory range to create feelings of disorientation (funny since the Flaming Lips most pop-oriented songs can do this too).
I'm sure more examples can be found within the annals of experimental noise rock.
I'm a friend of a friend of the working class.
How people are effected by the sound of tectonic plates moving, or how people are effected by the sound made by giant crickets from Mars ( which might well be good to know come the invasion)
Are you ready to Ruuuuuuuuummmmmmmble?
It's certainly no secret that people are effected by really, really low bass notes. As the article itself notes church organs have been using this trick to spice up the "Glory Hallelujahs" for centuries.
The part that's interesting is that seems to be a mood *enhancer*, rather producing any specific effect, so if the power of the Lord is already moving you that organ is going to move you more.
Let's hear it for the Church and gut level empiricism.
Don't install one of these "sub-sub-woofers" if you have pissy neighbors though. It reminds of the Bill Cosby joke about cocaine:
"It enhances my personality"
"Yeah, but what if you're an asshole?"
KFG
Cage's estate actually won a lawsuit over the copyright on this work. Apparently, the estate now has a legal precedent on owning all musical works composed entirely of rests.
Sonny Bono is the personification of counter-productive copyright law.
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A bizarre experiment in soundless music has revealed how people's emotions are affected by noises they cannot hear...
No big deal.
My girlfriend's emotions are affected by things I never said.
John Cage had this already in his piece 4'33"...
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Standing waves are created by parallel reflecting surfaces.
/.ed, and I didn't note the site of the experiment, but I can't imagine you'd test this in a place likely to be effected by standing waves.
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"There's an exception to every rule. Except for some rules"
I just bought an HDTV set that doesn't show an HDTV picture.
It makes me feel pissed...
But oddly, this (for whatever friggin' reason) reminded me of a deaf couple I once saw fighting. The guy got really angry and closed his eyes. The lady was SO FURIOUS that he wasn't "listening" to her that she tried to PRY the other guy's eyes open with her fingers! What I wouldn't have given to know what they were talking about!
(Am I a bastard for laughing HARDER b/c I knew that they couldn't hear me?)
Perhaps this response is similar to the primitive "fight or flight" response. Natural sources of these "infrasounds" include "earthquakes, severe weather, volcanic activity, geomagnetic activity, ocean waves, avalanches, turbulence aloft, and meteors and by some man-made sources such as aircraft and explosions" according to this site: http://www.etl.noaa.gov/et1/infrasound/
"True story: 7 Hz is the resonant frequency of a chicken's skull cavity. This was determined empirically in Australia, where a new factory generating 7-Hz tones was located too close to a chicken ranch: When the factory started up, all the chickens died.
From Borland's Turbo C Reference Guide..."
The internet says it's true, and that's good enough for me.
I just love the nice bass beats when I'm trippin'
If cows "moo" and ducks "quack" what do monkeys do? Why don't we have a word for their sound? If we do what is it? It has been driving me nuts all night.
...And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me." - Martin Niemoeller (1892-1984)
Why bombard him with soundless music when we can bombard him with tasteless music. 24/7 of N-Sync should pound him into submission.
"She's a West Texas girl, just like me" - G.W Bush Iraqis
Simon and Garfunkle tried it before, but it took Pootie Tang to make it work...
Fnord.
This just proves my belief that whenever you think
you need to be within certain limits, you need to
design about an order of magnitude beyond them.
So is there some music recording equipment that
goes from tens of millihertz to a megahertz?
How difficult would it be to make one?
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A decade ago, when I was into speaker design as a hobbiest, I remember reading about subsonic sounds having an effect on people in an audio book or journal. IIRC, they talked about at least one experiment. Basically, it found that people felt uneasy when exposed to low frequency sound and suggested that some old drafty castle halls and rooms that had a reputation for being haunted could designs that caused inaudible low frequency standing waves. My memory's a bit hazy (hey, it's been 10 years), but I'm pretty sure that some researches found a couple of places where that was the case.
Anyone remember that urban legend about chickens heads exploding because of a near by factory that generated an inaudible 7khz tone which resonated perfectly on a chicken's skull?
:)
Wonder if that's what these scientists originally set out to debunk
is if the people would've reacted the same way if absolutely nothing was played at all, just sitting there. I'm sure some of them might've still gotten angry after figuring out they just wasted an hour listening to genuine silence. :)
Because it's about grace. It really is about grace.
I mean, I don't hear my bank account growing, I don't hear any nice young women calling me, and I don't hear anybody respecting my opinions.
And strangely enough, that makes me feel down.
then all music is soundless...
Opinionated Law Student Strikes Again!
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emotions are affected by noises they cannot hear...
My emotions are affected by cars and beowolf clusters I cannot own.Never, ever lose a file again. Ever.
Alvin + Heidi Toffler note, in War and Anti-War how subsonics can be used as a defense mechanism, where the sound is on the same frequency as the resonance of materials found in human internal organs - in other words, the dreaded brown noise.
<BR><BR>fun idea, I just hope the sound engineers are doing their job properly at the next gig I go to.
<BR><BR><BR>On a personal note, I am acutely affected by ultrasonics - some of which include televisions, which means I can hear a high pitch whenever i am in proximity to a TV (even if it is behind a closed door). I have also experienced this in physics class, where a high voltage was being passed through a sphere painted with metallic paint.
<BR>can anyone enlighten me as to how this ultrasonic side-effect occurs in the first place?
<B>note to self:</B> <I>post as html</I>
I get angry and frustrated by webpages I cannot read. ./ effect is hazardous to our health.
Think of all those high-church folks who maintain that "rock is a tool of the devil."
Okay, hang in there, and don't mod me down YET...
My father for years has preferred a high-church style worship service, where the newer, "pop" elements such as drums and bass guitar are shunned. He has maintained that certain types of music themselves are capable of creating a purely emotional response, independent of the actual spiritual qualities of the music. For this reason, he feels it's dangerous to emphasize rock-style worship services, because there might be confusion or conflict between the emotional push of the music and the individual's ability to freely approach his God on his own terms, without someone else kicking at his subconcious.
The spiritual aspects of this aside, I believe this article lends some credence to that viewpoint.
(I rather LIKE the bass and drums, and I personally feel that I often NEED a kick in the rear, so to speak, to get me paying attention to the spiritual. So it's okay with me to use infrasound to get my attention...)
--Brandon / Split Infinity Music
Well hopefully this means I won't have to listen to Dashboard Confessional and all those other emo bands.
John Cage totally has Paul Simon beat in the 'sound of silence' game. His song, 4'33", IS silence!
"Question with boldness even the existence of a god." - Thomas Jefferson
I strongly suspect that those stupid Windows startup jingles have an infrasound component. Drives me NUTS every time I hear it...
That would also explain why they were so expensive.
I asked for a refund - and got my monkey back.
This is done by playing two different frequencies into the different ears (ie 300 hz into one ear, 304 into the other: your brain then entrains to a 4hz frequency)
Does anyone have any idea if this device could remove the need for the two frequencies by simply generating the Such things would be useful for brain washing, because if a speaker can put his audience into an alpha state (2/3hz), then they are more susceptible to impressions (thats why many religions use repeditive beating drums in their rituals etc)
Perhaps I should get into soundless music. That way, no one will have to yell at me from across the hall to turn it down!
You're right, I wouldn't steal a car. But if it were possible, I sure as hell would download one!
I'm wondering if those mood CDs, you know the ones that say they will give you more energy, or mellow you out, make you sleeep better, etc use such a principle? Ususally you can find them in the new age section.
I found the project group's website at spacedog.biz, the webpage being specfically http://www.spacedog.biz/infrasonic.htm
The government has been using this for years in their orbital mind control lasers.
fnord
dont beleive me? just do a google search for "cathedral infrasonic organ". Or check out this page which mentions the use by nazi's
the fact that the articel mentions none of this prior work sugests this is crap science.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
I'm speechless.
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When I first read this, I thought it was about pieces like "2:42", which is a carefully "composed" piece that dictates the manner the piece is to be approached, the behaviour of the "player" while the piece is performed, and is really a study in what is, and is not, music. The "piece" is composed of full rests, and is typically performed by approaching, sitting down and being ready to play the piano for, you guessed it, two minutes and fourty-two seconds.
;^)
The crowd reaction/noises are, in effect, the composition.
It has been transcribed to other instruments, if you don' thave a piano handy...
Ken
It's easy:
1. buy a pair of speakers with 12 inch woofers from your local cheap 'n' nasty discount shop.
2. connect them to an amp that's way too powerful for them.
3. play music as loud as you can.
ignore the smoke that you'll see and smell after a couple of minutes, that's just a normal part of the conversion to infrasound speakers.
they work really well. my emotions became really intense (only anger though, no joy). in fact, they work so well that my emotions become intense even if i just look at them.
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More than 30 years ago, I read a kids' mystery book centered on The Three Investigators (roughly equivalent to Nancy Drew or The Hardy Boys but a bit smarter) where infrasound was used in a supposedly haunted house.
We know.
-- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
Actually, I think you misunderstood the basic premise of the experiment. The "Infrasound" was added on top of music played by a Russian pianist. In Soviet Russia....wait, I promised I wouldn't make a lame reference.
The parties reached agreement without litigation
One out-of-court settlement could be regarded as a slight (but not precedent setting) win for the copyright or patent owner, as it makes the others marginally more likely to settle or face the full wrath of the legal system.
What seems to have ticked off Cage's heirs is the implication that Mr. Bat and Mr. Cage had collaborated on the piece and was thus trading on his reputation without authority.
So would it be wise to think of it as more of a trademark issue than a copyright issue? In that case, Cage's estate would be able to sue Midway, as Midway's Mortal Kombat video game (which features a character named "JOHNNY CAGE") plays an excerpt of "4"33'" (that is, calls the MusicStop() function) during some of the menus.
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That had me laughing so hard I cried.
ya one rubber + your parents and we wouldn't have had to read that post
I ran across some college kid one time that said he made one for a friends dog with a frequency of around 8hz. Apparently it helped reduce the number and severity of the seizures the dog had.
You know the deal though. He said she said. Take with a grain of salt and call me in the morning.
There's no infrasound in the Windows start sound, at least in the versions I use. I just ran "The Microsoft Sound.wav" (Windows 95 boot), "The Microsoft Sound.wav" (Windows 98 boot), "Windows Logon Sound.wav" (Windows 2000/ME boot), and "Windows Logoff Sound.wav" (Windows 2000 shutdown) through a Cool Edit low-pass filter with cutoff frequency 20 Hz, and negligible[1] energy remained. (I did not test Windows XP boot sounds because I don't have immediate access to a Windows XP machine at my location.)
[1] I define "negligible" as anything whose average power is less than -48 dBFS, the absolute noise floor of 8-bit linear PCM.
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"They showed the audience's emotions intensified as the inaudible sound vibrations, too low for the human ear to perceive, were blasted out during a 50-minute piano recital. Those feeling uncomfortable when the concert began, found their mood turning to anger. Others, who had felt happy, started to notice sensations of joy." Hmm, I wonder if joyous ones were women and the angry ones were their husbands who were dragged to a piano recital.
Look at the emotional reaction of a parent after more than 30 seconds of sudden silence from the kids. Shock, then fear, usually followed by anger...
I guess it's not the first time that people get moved by music from Liverpool without being able to hear it. A similar worldwide experiment took place between 1962 and 1966. Then the lads made music to be listened to.
I have that damn Britney Spears song running through my head again. I wonder how that hap...
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Most folk'll never lose a toe, and then again some folk'll...
pootie tang's latest track was soundless music, and it was soundless music too.
Pootie done did it again! Pootie done did it again!
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There's only so much torture you can give before it becomes inhumane..
I'm fairly sure N'Sync for more than 5 minutes is cruel and unusual punishment.
Tortured like that for 10 minutes, he'd probably die of an internal hemorrhage, or give up the locations of every missile in the country, and give you his 67 wives.
(don't get optimistic. Only two if the wives are remotely cute)
Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
Even cooler is the last about 4 seconds of the album, which is an endless loop (when played on vinyl), where the needle stays in the same circular track ad infinitum. On CD, they play the loop a few times before ending the track.
While on the subject of cool vinyl tricks, supposedly (I haven't seen it), Monty Python had a comedy record with two intertwined spiral tracks. So when you played the same side, sometimes you'd get one track, and sometimes the other. Must have totally tripped out some folks.
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Lisa Simpson: You have to listen the notes she's not playing.
Other Patron: Pfft, I could do that at home.
Go into another room. You'd be amazed at the effect that a little bit of stray bass can have on someone. For people that live in close quarters (condos, townhomes, and apartments), this effect is all too common - neighbors might think they're being very kind by keeping the volume low (which they are), but they don't realize that lower frequencies travel further, and are not absorbed by surrounding surfaces at the same rate as higher frequencies. Because of this, even bass at seemingly low levels can be heard clearly enough by people in close proximity to affect concentration, sleep, etc.
I want to know the sound pattern that triggers people to be horney, particularly women. Maybe I'll set up a small infra-sound system at a club, or in my room :)~~ I'm just dirty like that.
...like the smell of a barking spider.
"Out of the cave, right now, you filthy mouth breathing neolithic bastard!"
If a bear shits in the woods and.... ah, never mind.
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George Washington University's National Security Archive has a playlist of what the psyops guys used to subdue Noriega here. See Pages 4, 5, and 6 specifically.
There should be another group of people gathered together who are not exposed to the sound waves. Then the possibility of simply spending time with others in silence accounting for changed emotions can be ruled out. This is the hole in the experiment - which is quite interesting and warrants things being done correctly.
John Cage
(In Chris Rock voice) Poootie!!! He's too good!! HE'S TOO GOOD!! POOOOOOTTIIIEEE!!!!
/Abraham Simpson : Turn it up... TURN IT UP!!!!
That it would REALLY get interesting if you smoked some weed first? :)
We used to have a borrowed sine wave generator to play with when we were kids. It initially seemed to be doing something, but as we couldn't hear anything, we decided to find out if it was actually working. We brought in the normally lazy cat, and cranked up the generator...the cat exited at high speed. I'm sure there were emotions related to that experiment, but beyond our reaction of laughter, the cat was not in any mood to provide details.
Oh yeah, now I recall seeing that played at concert shortly after he died about 10 years ago. Instead of having a moment of silence, they commemorated his death by playing 4'33".
And me without a matching set of aluminum foil earplugs and pointed hat!
The first thing I thought of, when I saw this topic come up, was a Hardy Boys book that also used the same type of effect in a supposedly-haunted house. I never read The Three Investigators. Did one copy from the other?
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Very geeky, realistic(YMMV), and cool in that early 60's sort of ham radio way.
Technology ruins those kind of stories.
Good books for a kid who likes Harry Potter - the 3 do all these things relying on brain power and not magic. The thinking may transfer....
Maybe not deafening, but isn't this a form of remote mind control?
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Yesss! :) Look at all those massaging chairs people bought over the time. Wonderful vibrations, make you feel nice and comfortable.
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I vaguely remember this book, but it was the first thing that came to mind when I read this. IIRC, they used a pipe organ where the pipes had been lengthened to decrease the frequencies, and it generated feelings of fear for those inside the haunted house.
:)
Three Investigators was as great series of books, though. I always wished I had a hideout like their RV hidden under the junkyard.
??? (For those who understand the reference
-- Silhouette
Because of this reasoning, infrasound would be an absolutely horrible terrorist weapon, unless you claimed responsibility for it. There's a reason that terrorism utilizes really horrific methods that are really public.
I seem to recall that elephants communicate using low frequency waves. I wonder what any elephants that might have been within range thought of the crap they were hearing.
Back in the 1980s, the Center for Computer Music and Acoustics at Stanford was playing around with infrasonics. I had a horse at a barn about a quarter mile away, and the horses got very upset when CCRMA pumped low frequency audio into the ground. Horses get some contact audio via their legs, and can sense footsteps. To them, this sounded like some big creature they couldn't see. I complained to the head of CCRMA, and they stopped doing outdoor tests.
IF only they could do this to Rap Music..
I think the Monty Python album was promoted as being "three- sided".
I bought an album at a thrift store yesterday that was similar. It was produced sometime in the 1950's or 60's for the purpose of playing bingo at home. The record came with cards, and the audio was someone calling out "B-2, N-34" etc. The cool thing is that there are 4 intertwined spirals so that when the needle drops, you get one of 4 possible tracks.
People (well, HiFi geeks) have been lambasting CDs since they came out because digital music doesn't contain the "whole picture" and now with MP3 and OGG we are chucking out even more of the sounds which we can't hear.
This is interesting. The reproduction of your OGG file played through your streaming device on your LAN may sound excellent, but does it have the same power to challenge the emotions?
I can't get so excited about music these days (compared to when I used vinyl), but maybe I'm just getting old...
In The Exorcist they used some sub-aural sounds to scare. When I saw it in rerelease a couple of years ago (perfect date movie) after a decade of making dance records with 808 kick drums etc ... I could here some very bass-y tones providing ominous ambience.
Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it.
can you say, "expectation effect"?
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pootie tang, with chris rock! Remember the soundless hit song of pootie tang?
I remember reading sometime ago a theory on how the effect of the low frequency componets of thunders is what made ancient people think of them as signs form the Gods. Also I think hearing a thunder out in the country where there are less obstacles to attenuate it is far more "moving" than hearing it in a city.
Wow! ... now i can play music on my no-soundcard-system!
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Some physical affects were also experienced...
Some physical effects were also experienced
You've got to cry when Slashdotian type errors occur in proper (?) journalism.
I'm surprised that they didn't mix up you're, and your, and there, their, and they're.
Laura Davies, hang your head in shame.
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It's a great big beautiful wonderful incredible super spectacular day.
Ok geek call here but I'd *love* to get a copy of that Bingo album. Could you post up as many details as you have about that album so I could try to track it down... cheers
im sure being inside an air-lock re and depressurizing 10-times-per-second will change one's mood.
*I used to be quite irreverent and ignorant. I am probably much smarter now. I seem to realize this every 45 days or so.
Skaven made this tracker music piece, Cannon Angel...
Now I'm gonna open that file, copy/paste the story from it... it ain't sonic tech, but I'd imagine such sounds exist, which can stimulate you to heaven...
The Story:
After the Indo-Guinean war in 2088, the Limbic Telestimulator was banned from military use with an international treaty. But before this, the Valmet TK-8008 battle walker had already attained a legendary reputation amongst the sociocentralist troops. The soldiers who had survived its attack, have described it as a 'religious experience' and have been permanently affected, spending the rest of their lives writhing in obsessive desire. A new art genre was born; songs composed by the desperate souls who craved to be once more brutalized by this 'divine machine'.
Wings like Razors
Radar Eyes
Thighs of Steel
Chaingun Arms
CANNON ANGEL;
Will You Fuel My Heart?
Will You Take My Life?
Will You Hear My Last Breath?
Will You Feast On My Death?
Crush me;
Grind me;
Puncture me;
BURN me BLIND!
AAARGH!
The idea of the weapon was crudely simple but effective: with a focused micromagnetic fluctuation field, the enemy soldiers' brains were stimulated remotely. Pure, raw, orgastic pleasure was found to be the most effective way to nullify the target's situational awareness, and make it an easy shot for the dual chainguns of the TK-8008. The stimulus was so strong that it left a permanent trace of addiction in the brain. The survivors could witness their fellow soldiers run into the fire and moan in crazed bliss as the HV-APE slugs hit their bodies.
Probably that those darned whales never shut up.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
If it's true that urban industrial infrasound pollution disturbs our bodies and minds, would it be possible to design passive or active noise reduction strategies to create a healthier living and working environment?
E.g. silent rooms with insulation specifically designed to cut-out infrasound, or with anti-noise panels that actively eliminate it?
I'm reminded of the effects of infrasound on marine mammals. Various armed forces use ultra-low level sound waves for carrying information across oceans, and some researchers believe this interferes with the navigation systems of whales and dolphins. Think cetecean brown noise...
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Not only on cathedral organs and nazi experiments, but on simple every day life subwoofers this is on work as well. Most good(==expensive) subwoofers use a wide range of low frequencies that can only be "heard" by the body.
It's not very difficult to imagine how it works. Remember how some low beat sounds in night clubs makes the body tremble.
Yesterday upon the stair I met a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. I wish that man would go away.
I think there had been even more interesting experiments regarding infrasound. One of them was related to temporary hallucinations that would induce the image of 'ghosts' at the periphery of your vision. This was actually confirmed experimentally iirc.
The other interesting thing was that it is possible to use infrasound to create the effect of a noise that is coming from behind you. A noise coming from behind you naturally gets you 'anxious' and 'worried' because of the implications. (And yes, it is possible to make a sound coming from anywhere to sound as if it is coming from anywhere else - there are standard filtering techniques for that). Anyway, there are some particular infrasound frequences that have the 'behind you' effect I think.
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The article doesn't mention how they controlled for the piano music playing. So how do they know the people weren't reacting to the audible music?
Come on. Give me a break. This isn't science! You put a million coders in a room at the same time and tell them: "Hey, we are doing something to you. How are we affecting your coding?" Some people will say I am better... and some will say I am worse. Who cares if this pseudosilence is being played or not. Whatever. Just drawing attentions to somebody's emotions will probably cause someone to focus on those emotions and make them more intense. The control group will eliminate this "placebo" response. Do this for a week at a concert. For half the concerts have the pseudosilence playing... for the other half don't. Geez... just basic ole science. Davak
From the summary page:
SouthCom has not yet produced a Noriega Compact Disc of these songs, so you'll have to dig them out of your personal music library, if you can.
From an update on a further page:
8/01: If you cannot find them in your personal music library, maybe someone else has a copy on one of the numerous file-sharing applications on the web.
Ok, so I made that update up...but it's a nice playlist they have on pages 4-6. Some really good classic rock.
Mordor...a magical, mythical land where women are more rare than dragons--but where every man would rather find a dragon
called the yirdaki (better known as didgeridoo amongst whitefellas) can only be felt live and unplugged... you not only hear it..but feel it's bottom end frequencies travelling through your body
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Before starting your experiments, please note that silence is patented.
Prescriptive grammar:linguistics
Interesting acronym.. did you just make this up, or is it widely used? (I'm presuming it's like RTFM but for google)
;-)
Oh.. hold on...
I've googled and found it in the jargon file.
Still, I'd never heard it before.
...mood organ anyone?
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That's from an old, old Mad magazine! Late '70s timeframe.
...", then the needle would take one of six possible paths, each of which described some kind of personal catastrophe.
It was one of those "floppy vinyls" you could tear out of the magazine and play on a turntable. The song would start out with this "Super Spectacular Day" song, which was all cheery "Until
Pooty done did it again!
You know, really, I don't think trolling JesusGeeks is funny. It's too easy, it's like the difference between trying to beat up little kids and the difference between trying to beat up your friends. Your friends can handle it, and it's all good fun 'till they kick you in the gonads.
Wait. Did that make more sense than the stuff I said some 1970 years ago?
Let's hope so...
+++ They all asked, "Are you then the Son of God?" He (Jesus) replied, "You are right in saying I am." (Luke 22:70)
My EX fiancee and I were driving home from a friend's house -- an hour ride -- and she was pissed off and not talking. I put some music on the radio and lit up a butt. About 15 minutes down the highway she said "well, I'm not going to ride all the way home in silence."
I said, "I knew it was too good to be true."
end of the silence... start of a fight...
Real life is full of sounds too low for you to hear. They probably cause sensations on the back of your neck and wierd feelings in your stomach all day. Adding infrasound to a concert made it seem more 'real' by adding these wierd sensations. Those that were going to hate the concert anyway REALLY hated it and those that were going to like it REALLY liked it.
Eat at Joe's.
I thought somone had spiked my drink, bloody terrorists and there infrasound wiped me out for a day and I spent the next 3 days recovering.....
(I think it was a hystermine release)
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
Another interesting point made by Ballard in a long story (short novel?) of him, many years ago:
The Sound-Sweep, Science-Fantasy #39 '60
According to this Space Dog article by the same researchers, "The female elephant, for example, is only in oestrus for four days or so, once every four years. When she's ready for mating, she emits a distinctive, infrasonic call that attracts males from up to 4 kilometres away."
We asked the "test subjects" to tell us which music was the original and which music was a copy. IN EVERY case, we played the exact same song from the exact same source, and in every case the "test subject" would pick the music heard in the dark as the original.
This proved that light, undetectable to human ear sounds, have effect the listening experience. I suppose it could be extrapolated that since Music affects mood, so would inaudibles.
Yell & scream & rant & rave... it's no use... you need a shaaaave ~ Bugs Bunny
It'd be really nice if the site had released an MP3 of what they were doing in that theatre, so we could "listen."
Oh, wait...
My father was a teenager in Los Angeles during the 20's. Years ago, he told me that the director of Ben Hur (I think the 1925 version) wanted a scene of a crowd stampeding. Since the crowd was comprised of extras who didn't have a lot of acting experience, the director induced panic by playing a note on a 20 foot long organ pipe. The note was infrasonic and generated a level of unease that the extras couldn't identify but when instructed to run, they willing complied.
the blasterbeam story telling that it has given orgasm to several womens in a outdoor concert... I'll let you search the web further on this one...
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Now the government has a secret tool up it's sleave, play unheard music on the streets to create more violence.
Sorry to burst the bubble, but I was a member of a band in 1997 (Urilliasekt) that did several infrasound performances. I didn't have a 12m long pipe and a big expense account, so settled for using computer generated tones through performance speakers that harmonized at the desired frequencies. Even though I thought I was brilliant in coming up with the idea, I later found out that someone else had thought of it first. The British Army experimented with harmonzing tones to produce infrasound in 1973. . . as a form of crowd control in Ireland. They had to stop because it induced epileptic seizures in some of the listeners.
-oakbox
Not just answers, the correct questions.
... as the film companies slip in emotion inducing infrasound to enhance the emotional content of the movies. "That movie moved me so much!" Yup. Like at 4 Hz.
....
And an enterprising pan-handler with some technical savvy
"Consensus" in science is _always_ a political construct.
...With The Soundless Music
Imagine Julie Andrews singing that one.
An interesting album to listen to with such a setup is Ryoji Ikeda's matrix for rooms. (review here).
From the review...
Now, by turning your head and/or slowly moving around the room, the sounds do change, slightly... perhaps with a little more patience and better-developed neck muscles I could have learned to "play" a particular tune, but mostly only get a bit of an not-excitingly-noticeable up-down-up-down pitch shift, sort of.
When my neighbor parks his delivery truck outside the barely audible sound can drive me nuts. The whole house resinates with it and it can go on for half an hour. It's easier to feel than hear. The same can be true for loud music from cars, but at least they drive by before the feeling builds.
If I remember correctly, this is available on the MAD CD library (it was in stores a few years ago -- every issue of MAD scanned in, from the '50's to 1999 or so).
"We got chick brains -- in vitro -- to dump 80 percent of the natural opioids in their brains,'"
Aw, man! I've been tryin to get chicks to dump their brain opioids for all this time without infrasound!
I don't know what that means, but it sure sounds pimpin.
I wonder if there might be a reverse of this sound that would calm people down.
It seems like if there are sounds that amplify emotions, there should be sounds that diminish emotions.
That would be great for places where riots or brawls break out. Instead of spraying pepper-spray at the crowd a few days ago, the Epitome security guards could have just played the calming infrasounds.
I didn't know he played the piano!
Was ally mcbeal in the audience?
Anyone else think we'll see stores seriously investing in bose speakers now? (to play these sounds that manipulate how you feel.) Customers will just think they /really/ like that store!
"Why bombard him with soundless music when we can bombard him with tasteless music. 24/7 of N-Sync should pound him into submission" And land you in front of a war crimes tribunal. There are laws against torture.
>> Guaranteed to put a loud and immediate stop to the silent treatment.
Huh. Also likely to put a loud and immediate stop to your life.
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Brain: "I would tell you Pinky but this 120 char limi
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The album is called The Sounds of Silence. The song is called The Sound of Silence.
So, now there's a study which would seem to encourage the move back towards higher fidelity audio recordings, namely SACD and DVD-Audio. (I don't think we're going back to vinyl.) I suspected as much, but it's good that someone has executed a scientific study on the matter, although more studies are certainly needed.
This experiment cannot be considered serious as long as there has not been a double test : one without this "silent music" (placebo) and one with it.
Afterwards, comparing results on both can lead to many surprises.
I am really really pissed off that I wasted my time and money buying something that has no sound.
Come to think of it, I can see the new Conway Twitty Greatest Hits album.....74 minutes of silence.....
WTF? Over?
In Japan, we actually have a "sound" that is made by a completely silent situation. It goes like this:
No kidding.
There are some theories about the origin. The most believeable is that it was originally worded to match the "white noise" that your body creates itself in the absence of other sound. You can hear it if you listen carefully enough. (Or if you have tinnitis.)
From my understanding of the article, what we have is a karaoke version of Max Smart's Hall of Hush?
Subsonic == Earthquake
Earthquake == Bad
therefore
Subsonic == Bad
Here is the first book I remember reading that mentioned it. The Secret of Terror Castle (Three Investigators, No 1)
Here is the link
This book was published in 1964, as a childrens mystery book. Not exactly new science.
-dave-
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Dogs' hearing extends to much higher frequencies than humans. Dogs cannot hear low frequency sounds that humans can hear. This is why thunderstorms freak out dogs, they can't hear the thunder, but they can feel it.
Responding to another thread, yes, organs and synthesizers do create sound that is outside the range of human hearing, but it's not done as part of some mind-control experiment, it affects the quality of the sound that you can hear(somehting to do with harmonics). Anyway that's what I recall from Music Theory...
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A fart can sure affect people's emotions even if they dont hear it.
PRAISE be the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
This seems to support arguments in favor of the wider frequency ranges offered by the higher definition music formats, DVD-Audio and SACD. While this seems to deal mainly with those frequencies below 20Hz, high-def audio proponents also claim that there are frequencies, above 20,000Hz, that can affect the enjoyment of music. Of course, your speakers have to be able to reproduce those frequencies. :)
So it's probably those gsd-dsmned inaudible base overtones from those fscking boom cars that those dsck-weed kids drive up and down my csck-sscking street all dsmn hours of the day that have been fscking pissing me off all this time!
Otherwise, I'm usually a very laid-back person.
Ok, assume that some large organization (preferrably an acroymn ending with AA) who's members have discovered the use of these "subsonics" to induce "happiness" and other emotions.
1) These emotion influencing subsonics can increase sales of songs in which they are embedded.
2) Control of emotions can be useful at large events or for other large organizations (government).
3) MP3's probably strip out the subsonics (depending on the bitrate, of course)... so they attenuate the usefulness of these subsonic-embedded songs. Thus removing the control element.
Is this why the music industry is also anti-MP3, even though they could embrace the future of music?
Is this why the government is loathe to control the "music cartel"? Because ultimately, the cartel is more useful than the alternative?
Curiouser and curiouser...
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We've seen how people emotional state are also affected by Weapons of Mass Destruction that no one can see.
And "evidence" we can't see either.
In San Francisco during the mid/late 70's, punk bands had a difficult time finding venues to play in.
One place they found was the local deaf club, which turnd out to be a great choice because the deaf folks loved the LOUD music.
Why? Because they could feel it, and dance to it.
I have a record that was released from some of the shows there called "Live at the Deaf Club".
It features bands like the Dead Kenndeys (who do a killer version of Police Truck), Flipper, and such.
World Forum for Acoustic Ecology
Silence and Noise
World Soundscape Project
Damn those pesky terrorists
I think you mean "Schrödingerian." ;-)
Everything is music,
-Toddhisattva
Ripped off from here
Some of the other techniques described in articles linked from that site involve direct brain stimulation by VHF or microwave energy.
If they start going into general use - even intermittently - it may be time for the tinfoil hats.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Exactly. Another thing is that movie producers know very well about the effects that sound can have on their audience. They will sometimes introduce inaudible, low-frequency noise ( 20 Hz), because it has that very effect. Lower frequencies tend to raise anxiety, and so they're used in situations when they audience is supposed to be gripped with fear or suspense.
When someone drops a silent but deadly, I obviously can't hear it, but it definitely affects my emotions (such as "RUNNN!!!").
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Not a very technical article, but interesting nonetheless.
One thing that REALLY bugged me about the article is that it said "scientists" did this experiment, but DIDN'T say WHICH scientists, not naming people, the institution, the funding agency, etc.
Makes it hard to find out more about the experiment.
(At least they named the site where it was performed. So if the paper, excerpts, or another more complete report made it to the web we might be able to dig it out with a keyword search, rather than retreating to a library and digging out the medical and accoustic journals.)
And then the media wonder why people no longer look to them for news...
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
As stated in the article itself and as many other posts here have indicated, people have _knwon_ for quite a long time that ultralow frequency sound has an effect on people. So someone came up with an experiment to test exactly what that effect is, complete with control group and everything.
Neither the thing they are testing nor the method used to test it seem particularly bizare to me.
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Letterman also owns it.
My emotions are affected by noises I cannot hear everytime I play nethack...
You hear a jackal howling at the moon. --more--
You hear a mumbled curse. --more--
You hear a rushing sound. --more--
It hits! It hits! It hits! --more--
You hear the howling of the CwnAnnwn.
This was "heard" in an ASCII screen. THAT made me shiver.
h@hh@hh@...@.&.... "You shall not pass!"
While on the subject of cool vinyl tricks, supposedly (I haven't seen it), Monty Python had a comedy record with two intertwined spiral tracks. So when you played the same side, sometimes you'd get one track, and sometimes the other.
That's how the pre-semiconductor string-pull talking dolls (starting with "Chatty Cathy") generated multiple sayings. Several spiral tracks, and the one you got depended on the disk position when the needle dropped onto the lead-in.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
The second-to-last thing you hear (or don't hear) is a very high audio frequency, lasting a few seconds... John Lennon said it was put there just to annoy your dog.
Coincidentally, I heard the White Album and figured about half of it was entirely audible sounds put there just to annoy humans (-1, Troll).
On CD, they play the loop a few times before ending the track
Is there any theoretical reason they couldn't do the loop 'for real' on a CD and have it actually work on a normal player?
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I have also experienced this [hearing "ultrasound"] in physics class, where a high voltage was being passed through a sphere painted with metallic paint. can anyone enlighten me as to how this ultrasonic side-effect occurs in the first place?
If it's being continuously charged (i.e. a van de graff generator with a rubber belt) you'll get ultrasound because the corona discharge makes the system act like a relaxation oscilator:
- Voltage rises until the ionization potential of the air is exceeded and the air molecules start breaking up, becoming conductive.
- The ionized air leaks off charge until the voltage below the extinction potential, and the arc goes out.
- Now the voltage rises again. Repeat indefinitely.
Similar to the way a neon-lamp/capacator/resistor/DC power supply blinky-light works.
The arc heats the air and causes it to rush away, creating a pressure wave. This is what you hear.
The basic cycle will vary with the charging rate and geometry, but typically will be either a high whistle or ultrasonic.
Both the exact timing of the individual arcs and their locations are somewhat random, and ionized gas is a negative resistance (higher current, more ionization, lower voltage) which amplifies any signal at any frequency, so random variations in anything that affects the voltage or current get amplified. People whose hearing quits at a frequency below the basic cyclic rate hear the "envelope" - the lower-frequency variations of the arcing - as a random-noise "hiss". People whose hearing extends up to the cyclic rate or beyond hear the whistle - with the random variations making the whistle sound somewhat hissy, like a breathy note on a flute.
(Of course if the sphere was being charged by a flyback-like electronic high-voltage supply operating at a near-ultrasonic rate, like the flyback system in a TV or monitor, you might just be hearing the power supply, or the arcing happening at the peak of each charging cycle.)
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Soundless music has been around for decades. Back at the BBC when the musicians went on strike, they
often employed the talents of Adolphus Spriggs, a non-playing musician.
"The most recent update from the UN Weapons Inspection team in Iraq has finally provided concrete evidence of weapons of mass destruction. All across the country, pipe organs and other infrasound weapons have been deployed, ready to transmit their deadly sounds to any nearby American citizens.
When asked to comment, Saddam replied, 'What the fuck?'"
I wonder if the people who wrote this example really had something against chickens.
Actually... I've noticed based on my study of world religions, their scriptures, personal observation at different worship services, and just talking to people that there's a big difference in music and denominations....
For example, if you walk into a Roman Catholic Church, especially one where the Latin Mass is still being said, or one that still holds tightly to its history of traditional Catholic music in the service, you'll see that worship is fixed more on the Eucharist (the body and blood of Christ present before you). The focus isn't as much on how the individuals FEEL as much as it is focusing their minds and hearts towards worshipping God....
Walk into a fundamental Christian Church (or any given protestant denomination (non denominational means protestant, if you think otherwise it's time to read some Church History books and learn the real history of Christianity) and you'll see people either jumping up and down, swaying in the pews, yelling and screaming, or just caught up in the loud 'praising' to rock, pop, or other such lively music of our times. Usually the so-called pastor will deliver (what the people attending may call) a lively sermon and you will hear the people talking more about the music and the sermons as the basis for their choice in choosing their Church - whereas the Catholics are more likely to tell you that the reason they are Catholic is due to many things, some being that (a) it is the Church founded by Christ, (b) the Eucharist is there - it is for worship. Yes, the music and a powerful homily helps, but worship is the reason they're there....
With the Protestant/Fundamental Churches what you're more likely to see (when compared to the Catholic Mass) is people being entertained. "The music and the sermon" they say. They are entertained by the music, (they are more likely to focus on themselves and those around them during their service instead of focusing their attention on worshipping Christ) and they are entertained by the sermon. Chances are a great majority of them will walk out of their Protestant church feeling great from all the entertainment. Just as if they had attended a football game and cheered in the stands, chatted with friends, and their team won. A great many of them will NOT remember their pseudo-pastor's sermon, since it only served to envigorate them with the message for the moment....
Many people feel Catholic Masses are too 'boring' or 'dismal' because there is less chance in many of the parishes of lively music and a firey sermon that jolts you. So a big majority of people will 'church hop' through Christian denominations and look for what fits (entertains) them the most. The problem is, these people have a serious lack of education when it comes to Christianity. They likely don't understand the real meaning of the word worship, or how to worship, so they confuse entertainment with worship. How many churches have you been to where they boast of having a TV in their same 'worship' space on Sunday for football and/or the superbowl? C'mon. In a Catholic Church such worship space is sacred, and for good reason. Most often they're the ones who believe their fundamental pseudo-pastor when they are told their Church was established by Christ. Wrong. Christ established the Catholic Church, and this is fact. Protestant/Non-denominational churches didn't exist until the 1500/1600's when Martin Luther broke away from his Catholicism. The waves of his split (and circulation of controversial pamphlets) are still felt today in the thousands of Protestant denominations we see today....
My advice to those who would flame me because they enjoy the entertainment at their Protestant church is to: read the history of Christianity and study how worship existed in the East before it came to the West. Once you understand the real meaning behind worship, you'll see why a lot of Catholics leave Mass feeling good for different reasons. They weren't entertained. They were devoting their time to serious worship. The effect goes beyond mental/physical means and extends into the spiritual....
I'm not saying the Protestant churches have zero value. You're still there to pray and sing to God. You exist to help and love one another. But since the 1600's, those who have broken away from the Catholic Church have seperated and watered down their services to the point that many of them appear more like pep rallies than worship services....
a) Infrasound (7-8hz 150+Decibles) is typically used as a NON-LETHAL weapon (for crowd control). However like most non-lethal weapons it can kill. Thus it is illegal throughout the US (AFAIK).i c_bullet020716.html)
b) untill recently Infrasound was very indiscriminate (anyone in earshot could be effected, and there is no "bullet proof" vest for the police to wear). Which made it hard to use. However HyperSonic Sound (http://www.atcsd.com/tl_hss.html) is working on a device for the US military that will have (very) directional capability. (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/DailyNews/son
In a city region against terrorist, a weapon like this could be invaluable.
c) I doubt terrorists would want to use this because it's
1) not very portable (yet) it requires a BIG LONG tube to create infrasound.
2) is (usually) non-lethal.
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This kind of reminds of some of the research I read while investigating higher sample rates in recorded digital music. In the very recent past, proffesional music studios used to record in 48 kHz, and then dither down to 44.1 kHz (the sample rate of music CD's). The main disadvantage to this is that the highest recorded frequeny would be 24 kHz (this is due to the Nyquist Theorum), and CD's do not reproduce any sound above 22.05 kHz. Some research has been done showing that the inclusion of frequencies above 22.05 kHz, which are mostly inaudible, do in fact lead to increased activity in the brain. What this activity is, however, has not yet been identified.
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