It's very disconcerting when I move between GPL forums and GPL forums. I have to be very careful in defining what I'm talking about; especially in a GPL forum when I start talking about GPL, since a lot of people there aren't GPL aware.
Well can you tell him that? I don't mind the company, per se, when spends some time sitting at the foot of my bed, but I could do without the anticipatory gleam in his eye. It's very disconcerting.
I think he's hoping that a bit of insomnia might just push me over the edge.
Yeah, but what you describe pretty much covers any type of prohibitionism. Drugs, booze, . ..
You repeat yourself.
. . . guns, pornography, violent video games, etc.
Yes, the drug prohibition is more closely related to our obscenity laws than it is to the public saftey laws it purports to be about.
Look in the Bible. The Temple Whores of "those" people drink beer. We, the morally pure with the proper sort of God on our side, drink wine. Or just watch for the mead scene in The 13th Warrior.
It's this sort of thing that makes the war on drugs into an illogical mess of a war on some drugs.
I actually called for some modder to do that to Grand Prix Legends once. I'm tired of crappy not really photorealism in my games and would prefer good art. In fact one of the things I've always liked about GPL is the way the original graphics evoke good colored pencil work.
And just how frickin' cool would it be to drive a '67 F1 Ferrari around Spa-Monet?
I'm not sure I'm ready for Picasso or Dali coming at me at warp speed though. It's hard enough hitting your apexes clean without being sure where, or even what, they are.
It's quite obvious to distinguish from copyrighted material to web cam material.
Webcam material is copyrighted too.
I also would think Google is smart enough to figure out if content was copyrighted by a person that did not submit the video
Lawyers often have a hard time figuring this out. I record (on my webcam, of which I currently have none) myself playing "This Land is Your Land." Ludlow denies that the copyright has lapsed. The version is one I learned from Jack Elliot (nobody does the original version anymore), but also happens to include variations from Pete and Arlo.
Who cares? Who doesn't? Who cares, but doesn't if they get a cut? Who cares, but doesn't if they get a cut, but don't actually deserve it?
And do I upload it, or does someone else? Whoever might own various copyrights on the subject material, the recording is mine. Maybe it isn't me, but they have my permission. It isn't about who made the content, but who has the right to distribute it. That could be anybody or nobody.
. ..they do have one of the best search engines after all.
Yes, but how many IP experts searching do they have?
Here is the classic way of figuring it out: upload it and see who, if anybody, complains, then call in the lawyers. In extreme cases perhaps even a jury. Juries are actually the closest thing we have to true assingers of IP rights.
It kills me that people fail to understand that roughly 10,000 years ago we had a rapid, major climate shift. About 10,000 years before that, we had another one. And in the 100,000 years before that. ..
And it's my anecdotal observation that human memory only lasts about twenty years.
It's a bit puzzling, seeing as individual people last a bit longer, but if you want to start a "new" diet fad just go to the library and find a book on a fad that died out twenty years ago, rebrand it . ..and have a best seller.
Many of the same people who abandoned the fad twenty years ago will readopt it under the new branding and swear by it. Is a puzzlement.
And "nobody" reads books more than a few years old anymore, nevermind centuries old. Except the Bible, Koran and Baghavad-Gita. Yeah, those are going to be a big help.
I'm not nearly the environmentalist you are . ..
Oh, don't get the wrong idea. I'm rather pragmatic about it and don't think my behavior is going to change anything, so I don't go all wingnutty about it. Society is like a car rolling down a hill. . .
I found myself looking at a used Chevy Blazer the other day. I'd drive it about twice a month to haul guitars to a town 20 miles away with no public transport between. Wouldn't feel the least bit guilty about it. Gets better milage than my old Maserati ever did.
But I know I'd have to suffer the glares of the people commuting 40 miles a day in their Priuses. There's all sorts of bigotry in this world.
. ..there is an excellent book by Carl Sagan [wikipedia.org] that covers skepticisim and the scientific method in a readable and entertaining way.
Carl gave me his books as gifts. Without trying to sound patronising I'm older than you and have been teaching science longer. To people with higher credentials than yourself. I've discussed these matters with people like Bucky Fuller, Linus Pauling and Hans Selye. I've read Plato, but didn't know him. I'm not quite that old. I dress in a style he would have considered archaic though; with an assumption that I had travled a good deal in Egypt. I prefer the Shenti to the Chiton. He was a bit of a dandy and likely wouldn't have approved.
He'd get a good laugh out of all the Atlantis crap though, if he were around to see it.
Plato isn't an authority on anything, not even Platonism. We can only infer what he thought because he never bothered to actually tell us.One of his star students was considered an authority for many centuries though, and he was known to disagree with Plato, but Galileo overthrew that idea of truth by authority.
I've read Descarte too. He should have tended his stove more carefully.
Reality is what happens whether you believe in it or not; and one man more right than his neighbors constitutes a consensus of one. I stole that last from Thoreau. Talent imitates. Genius steals.
Nor is there in fact any consensus on the causes of climate change, merely the illusion of one. Physicists, however, are reasonably certain that the laws of thermodynamics are not violated. I talk to people who don't get their names in the papers. Many of them older and more experienced than myself; although none of them are "authority," though they may have extensive expertise. And a notable prize or three.
Yes that is a profound insight, but often it's used as a rationale for selfishness, waste and greed.
And there are people who sing the blues to make themselves feel bad. There's no accounting for people.
I prefer another insight that says a pointless universe does not imply a meaningless life.
And I never said anything of the kind, but life only has whatever meaning you bring to it.
The principal, however, is valid. Access to information as needed with a key provided by you, not just universally available. Held by an NGO is also a plus. If the existing system needs a bit of tweaking where you are, well, tweak it.
Unfortunately that's a big "if".
No it isn't, they will fuck it up, but at least at great expense, so you'll have that going for you. And enjoy the roundup of hayfever sufferers.
Ah, but the trick to being poor successfully is not in getting more money, but in making every penny count; and never spending more than twenty pounds if that's all you've got.
If you have Fear that the climate isn't warming you just might have a political bias. Uncertainy and Doubt are called "science." If you lack them, you aren't doing any. All you can legitimately do is define their limits . ..provisionally.:)
It is difficult to predict if your bicycle will fall to the left or to the right,. ..
No. It's pretty simple really. In fact it was my field of research back in the 70s. Really. I can even determine which way it falls without fail. Just place the center of gravity to one side or the other of the axis. Boom. It goes down on that side.
Things get a bit more complicated if you're riding the bike, but as a general rule if you steer left it falls right and vice versa.
Now here's the part that's really relevant: the tricky bit is how you stop it from falling. That's why it took you so long to learn how to ride a bike.
And part of the answer is: You don't. It's unstable. It's always falling.
How long do you think it will take you to learn to "ride" the climate?
. ..climate prediction is like the will it fall question.
That's what I said. Climate change happens. Predicting that is just as certain as predicting that the weather will change. Predicting how it will change is just as hard as predicting the weather. What allows the illusion of predicting climate change is that it happens slowly, whereas your weather prediction is going to be testable within a matter of hours, so when you fail it's pretty damned obvious. You're also reasonably safe at predicting the climate will continue to do whatever it's doing now. If it's been getting warmer for a couple of centuries, predict it will get warmer and Shazaam! You're a climate wizard.
Both phenomena are unstable, just over different periods.
Get back to me on your climate predictions in a couple hundred years and we can see how you did.
Just where is the axis and center of gravity of the climate anyway? And exactly how good are you at predicting volcanoes?
On the other hand, the factors that go into climate are many.
Exactly. Some of those things are rather hard to predict. In the agregate it gets even harder.
Insisting that it is the Sun alone is incorrect.
However insisting that it is driven by anything but the Sun is equally incorrect. You have noticed that it gets colder at night, haven't you?
How much slower does the Earth cool at night than it did 200 years ago?
"Daisyworld arguably demonstrates . ..
A simple computer model. With feedback.
Put the Sun out and see what it does. You have noticed that it gets colder at night, and much colder in the winter, haven't you? All of your daisies, black and white, are dead. Tommorow. Throw in some foxes and fuzzy wuzzy bunny rabbits and they're still dead. The foxes and bunny rabbits are dead day after tomorrow. The fish will last a bit longer, but they won't be happy about it.
The Sun is the only source of heat. The Earth is embedded in what amounts to a heat sink of infinite capacity. In the absence of solar radiation it starts getting cold, really, really fast. Even with a bit of extra CO2. Daisies don't change that either. Even if they're plaid.
It's 7F and snowing outside my house right now, instead of 70 and raining; and all because my portion of the Earth is tipped just an itsy bit away from the Sun instead an itsy bit toward it. I'm inclined to believe that small variations in solar radiation can have a profound effect. Outside of simple computer models that is.
Inside a complex computer model with feedback any damned thing having no relationship to the real world can happen. You'd have to be a kook to beli
The advantage is that it is possible to get your medical journal when you are visiting a different country, which in turn can improve the ability to get the correct medication and avoid medical hazards.
the quote said cities were "inhuman" because they were devoid of necessities (even though they're full of people?), not because they were full of X or Y or Z Which Is Bad
The Sahara is not full of X or Y or Z either; although bits of it are full of people. Scale matters.
I can build you a small bridge out of old refridgerator boxes strong enough to drive a Jeep over. I cannot do the same for a large bridge. Scale matters.
Walking five mintues to find more than you can eat in two weeks is very different from walking two weeks to find a mouthful. Scale matters.
If you're still unsure about this point we can drop you and an ant off a five story building and see what happens, but I warn you, scale might matter.
The IPCC is not the horse. There is no such thing as science by consensus or by authority. Galileo was right, even though he stood virtually alone.
There is no reason to behave like a jerk simply because everything is utimately pointless.
Well, I'm sorry, but I happen to believe that is the single most insightful thing I have ever said here. There would be a lot less needless human pain and suffering in this world if people would only bear that in mind, not more.
If everone decided to "go bush" tommorow, the "bush" would be a desert filled with rotting corpses and starving people within three months.
Absofuckinlutely, so guess what's going to happen when the hated petroleum runs out?
I'd learn rugby if I were you - learning to speak Mongolian and/or cozying up to the Amish wouldn't hurt either. They seem to do ok without cars.
And I'm really not sure you understand my position at all in any case.
Being complicit in this sort of thing would also be unusual for me. The very thought of it makes my skin crawl.
unless we throw ourselves into fighting pollution without a lot of caveats that stupid people can't understand because they lack education. ..
I favor educating them. Nothing can be done about stupidity, of course. Ignorance can be cured, but stupidity is forever. On the other hand a good many people are "educated" into their stupidity. They are taught nonthinking. Subjected to humiliation and even pain for daring to think. When I teach my greatest hurdle is simply to prod people into being willing to think about the subject. I once had a guitar student who couldn't even open his case without being directed to do so, simply because he wasn't able to think that he was allowed to do such things by his own thought and volition.
He was a High School student.
But really, if the brown air doesn't wise them up; and if getting rid of brown air is not sufficient reason to fight pollution, a bit of global warming, which is happening anyway, is not going to wise them up. We were fighting pollution, just for the sake of having air worth breathing, back when the coming ice age was the hysterical rage.
I think in your bike/antibiotic society if there are apple trees on every corner, and berry bushes in every gully, count me in.
No problemo; if you can provide a location where it isn't a frickin' crime:
Slashdot Mirror
I had to come back and post again when I saw the current Slashdot FOTD is:
"There are no winners in life; only survivors."
Well, I got a clue for ya'll; there are no survivors either.
KFG
That's the whole point of CC. The licenses are permission.
Oh shush, you.
KFG
It's GPL, but they keep it proprietary? WTF?
It's very disconcerting when I move between GPL forums and GPL forums. I have to be very careful in defining what I'm talking about; especially in a GPL forum when I start talking about GPL, since a lot of people there aren't GPL aware.
KFG
Yeah, but death only comes for you once.
Well can you tell him that? I don't mind the company, per se, when spends some time sitting at the foot of my bed, but I could do without the anticipatory gleam in his eye. It's very disconcerting.
I think he's hoping that a bit of insomnia might just push me over the edge.
KFG
After reading the article I'm still not sure exactly how it works.
They've refitted the cat detector vans. Don't purr over your online earnings.
KFG
If you're paying some people to participate, they will not be there for community.
Ever see what happens to a mining town when the mine shuts down?
KFG
Some of our top artists actually made a decent amount of money.
.people can get very ingenious when money is involved.
I've still got a copy of Coffee & Pepto. I miss you guys. Why'ja go and get stupid?
. .
And put far more effort into filching a dime than making a dollar. Won money is sweeter than earned money, but swindled money is the sweetest.
KFG
Yeah, but what you describe pretty much covers any type of prohibitionism. Drugs, booze, . . .
You repeat yourself.
. . . guns, pornography, violent video games, etc.
Yes, the drug prohibition is more closely related to our obscenity laws than it is to the public saftey laws it purports to be about.
Look in the Bible. The Temple Whores of "those" people drink beer. We, the morally pure with the proper sort of God on our side, drink wine. Or just watch for the mead scene in The 13th Warrior.
It's this sort of thing that makes the war on drugs into an illogical mess of a war on some drugs.
KFG
I actually called for some modder to do that to Grand Prix Legends once. I'm tired of crappy not really photorealism in my games and would prefer good art. In fact one of the things I've always liked about GPL is the way the original graphics evoke good colored pencil work.
And just how frickin' cool would it be to drive a '67 F1 Ferrari around Spa-Monet?
I'm not sure I'm ready for Picasso or Dali coming at me at warp speed though. It's hard enough hitting your apexes clean without being sure where, or even what, they are.
KFG
Did I mention that Woody stole the tune from a Carter Family recording?
The water gets ever muddier.
KFG
It's quite obvious to distinguish from copyrighted material to web cam material.
.they do have one of the best search engines after all.
Webcam material is copyrighted too.
I also would think Google is smart enough to figure out if content was copyrighted by a person that did not submit the video
Lawyers often have a hard time figuring this out. I record (on my webcam, of which I currently have none) myself playing "This Land is Your Land." Ludlow denies that the copyright has lapsed. The version is one I learned from Jack Elliot (nobody does the original version anymore), but also happens to include variations from Pete and Arlo.
Who cares? Who doesn't? Who cares, but doesn't if they get a cut? Who cares, but doesn't if they get a cut, but don't actually deserve it?
And do I upload it, or does someone else? Whoever might own various copyrights on the subject material, the recording is mine. Maybe it isn't me, but they have my permission. It isn't about who made the content, but who has the right to distribute it. That could be anybody or nobody.
. .
Yes, but how many IP experts searching do they have?
Here is the classic way of figuring it out: upload it and see who, if anybody, complains, then call in the lawyers. In extreme cases perhaps even a jury. Juries are actually the closest thing we have to true assingers of IP rights.
KFG
It kills me that people fail to understand that roughly 10,000 years ago we had a rapid, major climate shift. About 10,000 years before that, we had another one. And in the 100,000 years before that. . .
.and have a best seller.
.
And it's my anecdotal observation that human memory only lasts about twenty years.
It's a bit puzzling, seeing as individual people last a bit longer, but if you want to start a "new" diet fad just go to the library and find a book on a fad that died out twenty years ago, rebrand it . .
Many of the same people who abandoned the fad twenty years ago will readopt it under the new branding and swear by it. Is a puzzlement.
And "nobody" reads books more than a few years old anymore, nevermind centuries old. Except the Bible, Koran and Baghavad-Gita. Yeah, those are going to be a big help.
I'm not nearly the environmentalist you are . .
Oh, don't get the wrong idea. I'm rather pragmatic about it and don't think my behavior is going to change anything, so I don't go all wingnutty about it. Society is like a car rolling down a hill. . .
I found myself looking at a used Chevy Blazer the other day. I'd drive it about twice a month to haul guitars to a town 20 miles away with no public transport between. Wouldn't feel the least bit guilty about it. Gets better milage than my old Maserati ever did.
But I know I'd have to suffer the glares of the people commuting 40 miles a day in their Priuses. There's all sorts of bigotry in this world.
KFG
. . .there is an excellent book by Carl Sagan [wikipedia.org] that covers skepticisim and the scientific method in a readable and entertaining way.
Carl gave me his books as gifts. Without trying to sound patronising I'm older than you and have been teaching science longer. To people with higher credentials than yourself. I've discussed these matters with people like Bucky Fuller, Linus Pauling and Hans Selye. I've read Plato, but didn't know him. I'm not quite that old. I dress in a style he would have considered archaic though; with an assumption that I had travled a good deal in Egypt. I prefer the Shenti to the Chiton. He was a bit of a dandy and likely wouldn't have approved.
He'd get a good laugh out of all the Atlantis crap though, if he were around to see it.
Plato isn't an authority on anything, not even Platonism. We can only infer what he thought because he never bothered to actually tell us.One of his star students was considered an authority for many centuries though, and he was known to disagree with Plato, but Galileo overthrew that idea of truth by authority.
I've read Descarte too. He should have tended his stove more carefully.
Reality is what happens whether you believe in it or not; and one man more right than his neighbors constitutes a consensus of one. I stole that last from Thoreau. Talent imitates. Genius steals.
Nor is there in fact any consensus on the causes of climate change, merely the illusion of one. Physicists, however, are reasonably certain that the laws of thermodynamics are not violated. I talk to people who don't get their names in the papers. Many of them older and more experienced than myself; although none of them are "authority," though they may have extensive expertise. And a notable prize or three.
Yes that is a profound insight, but often it's used as a rationale for selfishness, waste and greed.
And there are people who sing the blues to make themselves feel bad. There's no accounting for people.
I prefer another insight that says a pointless universe does not imply a meaningless life.
And I never said anything of the kind, but life only has whatever meaning you bring to it.
Although that doesn't mean much of anything.
KFG
Do I get my own "psychic" TV show now?
KFG
The principal, however, is valid. Access to information as needed with a key provided by you, not just universally available. Held by an NGO is also a plus. If the existing system needs a bit of tweaking where you are, well, tweak it.
Unfortunately that's a big "if".
No it isn't, they will fuck it up, but at least at great expense, so you'll have that going for you. And enjoy the roundup of hayfever sufferers.
KFG
Ah, but the trick to being poor successfully is not in getting more money, but in making every penny count; and never spending more than twenty pounds if that's all you've got.
Perhaps Congress should read more Dickens.
KFG
. . .FUD that is being spread about warming . . .
.provisionally. :)
.
.climate prediction is like the will it fall question.
.
If you have Fear that the climate isn't warming you just might have a political bias. Uncertainy and Doubt are called "science." If you lack them, you aren't doing any. All you can legitimately do is define their limits . .
It is difficult to predict if your bicycle will fall to the left or to the right,. .
No. It's pretty simple really. In fact it was my field of research back in the 70s. Really. I can even determine which way it falls without fail. Just place the center of gravity to one side or the other of the axis. Boom. It goes down on that side.
Things get a bit more complicated if you're riding the bike, but as a general rule if you steer left it falls right and vice versa.
Now here's the part that's really relevant: the tricky bit is how you stop it from falling. That's why it took you so long to learn how to ride a bike.
And part of the answer is: You don't. It's unstable. It's always falling.
How long do you think it will take you to learn to "ride" the climate?
. .
That's what I said. Climate change happens. Predicting that is just as certain as predicting that the weather will change. Predicting how it will change is just as hard as predicting the weather. What allows the illusion of predicting climate change is that it happens slowly, whereas your weather prediction is going to be testable within a matter of hours, so when you fail it's pretty damned obvious. You're also reasonably safe at predicting the climate will continue to do whatever it's doing now. If it's been getting warmer for a couple of centuries, predict it will get warmer and Shazaam! You're a climate wizard.
Both phenomena are unstable, just over different periods.
Get back to me on your climate predictions in a couple hundred years and we can see how you did.
Just where is the axis and center of gravity of the climate anyway? And exactly how good are you at predicting volcanoes?
On the other hand, the factors that go into climate are many.
Exactly. Some of those things are rather hard to predict. In the agregate it gets even harder.
Insisting that it is the Sun alone is incorrect.
However insisting that it is driven by anything but the Sun is equally incorrect. You have noticed that it gets colder at night, haven't you?
How much slower does the Earth cool at night than it did 200 years ago?
"Daisyworld arguably demonstrates . .
A simple computer model. With feedback.
Put the Sun out and see what it does. You have noticed that it gets colder at night, and much colder in the winter, haven't you? All of your daisies, black and white, are dead. Tommorow. Throw in some foxes and fuzzy wuzzy bunny rabbits and they're still dead. The foxes and bunny rabbits are dead day after tomorrow. The fish will last a bit longer, but they won't be happy about it.
The Sun is the only source of heat. The Earth is embedded in what amounts to a heat sink of infinite capacity. In the absence of solar radiation it starts getting cold, really, really fast. Even with a bit of extra CO2. Daisies don't change that either. Even if they're plaid.
It's 7F and snowing outside my house right now, instead of 70 and raining; and all because my portion of the Earth is tipped just an itsy bit away from the Sun instead an itsy bit toward it. I'm inclined to believe that small variations in solar radiation can have a profound effect. Outside of simple computer models that is.
Inside a complex computer model with feedback any damned thing having no relationship to the real world can happen. You'd have to be a kook to beli
Well, what I want is understanding.
KFG
The advantage is that it is possible to get your medical journal when you are visiting a different country, which in turn can improve the ability to get the correct medication and avoid medical hazards.
http://www.medicalert.org/Main/AboutUs.aspx
KFG
Your criticism of my original post was that the only difference between a farmhouse and a city was scale.
Well, scale matters.
That's proportion of investment and return, not scale.
Trying to live off the interest of $100 is very different from trying to live off the interest from $1,000,000. Scale matters.
KFG
So in principle, it's just a matter of scale.
The poison is in the dose. Scale matters.
the quote said cities were "inhuman" because they were devoid of necessities (even though they're full of people?), not because they were full of X or Y or Z Which Is Bad
The Sahara is not full of X or Y or Z either; although bits of it are full of people. Scale matters.
I can build you a small bridge out of old refridgerator boxes strong enough to drive a Jeep over. I cannot do the same for a large bridge. Scale matters.
Walking five mintues to find more than you can eat in two weeks is very different from walking two weeks to find a mouthful. Scale matters.
If you're still unsure about this point we can drop you and an ant off a five story building and see what happens, but I warn you, scale might matter.
KFG
And now I am being attacked in this thread for being a tree hugging, hippy luddite.
Oh the irony.
The great thing about not being part of one of the "two" sides is that sooner or later you have everybody shooting at you.
KFG
I'll point out that the small-town is just a city on a smaller scale.
I'll point out that the poison is in the dose.
KFG
From the horse's mouth.
The IPCC is not the horse. There is no such thing as science by consensus or by authority. Galileo was right, even though he stood virtually alone.
There is no reason to behave like a jerk simply because everything is utimately pointless.
Well, I'm sorry, but I happen to believe that is the single most insightful thing I have ever said here. There would be a lot less needless human pain and suffering in this world if people would only bear that in mind, not more.
If everone decided to "go bush" tommorow, the "bush" would be a desert filled with rotting corpses and starving people within three months.
Absofuckinlutely, so guess what's going to happen when the hated petroleum runs out?
I'd learn rugby if I were you - learning to speak Mongolian and/or cozying up to the Amish wouldn't hurt either. They seem to do ok without cars.
And I'm really not sure you understand my position at all in any case.
KFG
. . .directing public thought . . .
.
Being complicit in this sort of thing would also be unusual for me. The very thought of it makes my skin crawl.
unless we throw ourselves into fighting pollution without a lot of caveats that stupid people can't understand because they lack education. .
I favor educating them. Nothing can be done about stupidity, of course. Ignorance can be cured, but stupidity is forever. On the other hand a good many people are "educated" into their stupidity. They are taught nonthinking. Subjected to humiliation and even pain for daring to think. When I teach my greatest hurdle is simply to prod people into being willing to think about the subject. I once had a guitar student who couldn't even open his case without being directed to do so, simply because he wasn't able to think that he was allowed to do such things by his own thought and volition.
He was a High School student.
But really, if the brown air doesn't wise them up; and if getting rid of brown air is not sufficient reason to fight pollution, a bit of global warming, which is happening anyway, is not going to wise them up. We were fighting pollution, just for the sake of having air worth breathing, back when the coming ice age was the hysterical rage.
I think in your bike/antibiotic society if there are apple trees on every corner, and berry bushes in every gully, count me in.
No problemo; if you can provide a location where it isn't a frickin' crime:
http://www.diggers.org/english_diggers.htm#worl
KFG