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Scientist Develops Caffeinated Baked Goods

Zephyros writes "The AP is reporting on a scientist who has found a way to get caffeine into donuts, bagels, and other baked goods without the bitter flavor. Each piece has as much caffeine as two cups of coffee. No word on when or where they will be available, but for those of us that just don't get the same kick from the morning cuppa that we used to, this may be another tasty delivery vector to look forward to for that jump-start."

195 comments

  1. Re:Probably won't be first. by suckmysav · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Congratulations, you got first post.

    Pity it doesn't matter since you are AC

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  2. Why am I not surprised... by Hobbs0 · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...that this was an American scientist?

    1. Re:Why am I not surprised... by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      But wait! Don't order yet.

      He's already at work inventing the decafinated version.

      KFG

    2. Re:Why am I not surprised... by saskboy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Overheard in a Tim Hortons in five years:
      "I'll take a Decaf muffin please."

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    3. Re:Why am I not surprised... by Lotharjade · · Score: 1

      I bet he lives in Seattle too.

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    4. Re:Why am I not surprised... by KUHurdler · · Score: 1

      At least these baked goods are easier to get ahold of than
      the cocain-muffins and the meth-brownies.

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  3. Insubstantial Article by x_MeRLiN_x · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Whole article:

    DURHAM. N.C. (AP) -- That cup of coffee just not getting it done anymore? How about a Buzz Donut or a Buzzed Bagel? That's what Doctor Robert Bohannon, a Durham, North Carolina, molecular scientist, has come up with. Bohannon says he's developed a way to add caffeine to baked goods, without the bitter taste of caffeine. Each piece of pastry is the equivalent of about two cups of coffee.

    While the product is not on the market yet, Bohannon has approached some heavyweight companies, including Krispy Kreme, Dunkin' Donuts and Starbucks about carrying it. Not much of an article.. No substantial information regarding caffeine content. I was looking forward to comparing this to Sky Rockets and Bawlz. :(
    1. Re:Insubstantial Article by bunbuntheminilop · · Score: 1

      a molecular scientist? Isn't that a chemist?

    2. Re:Insubstantial Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a molecular scientist? Isn't that a chemist?

      It could also be a materials scientist, physicist, chemical engineer, or biomedical engineer to start the list with.

      Eventually there may be disciplines for nano-sciene and nano-engineering that would cover the domain.

      (I am a chemical engineer doing work in molecular modeling / quantum chemistry / nanotechnology.)

  4. One thing is for sure... by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    cops will be mega-hyper

    1. Re:One thing is for sure... by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Army tests show that 200mg every 2 hours (for up to 8 hours) is the optimal amount to keep soldiers alert.

      http://www.armytimes.com/offduty/health/ONLINE.HEA LTH.CAFFEINEGUM/

      So well metered amounts of caffeinated products really would be a boon to police doing the graveyard shift.

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    2. Re:One thing is for sure... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      So well metered amounts of caffeinated products really would be a boon to police doing the graveyard shift.

      Rodney King wouldn't think so.

    3. Re:One thing is for sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rodney King should go down to the police station in Florida and promptly ask them for a complaint form then and if he survives that, ask them for a pen to fill it in too :)

  5. Great... by Tadrith · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Given how many products are suddenly having caffeine added to them, I wonder how long it will take before somebody does something really stupid with all of these products, and deliberately or inadvertently manages to harm themself or someone else. It doesn't take all THAT much caffeine to cause some pretty nasty side effects, especially if you don't drink it all that often.

    1. Re:Great... by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      how long it will take before somebody does something really stupid with all of these products, and deliberately or inadvertently manages to harm themself or someone else. It doesn't take all THAT much caffeine to cause some pretty nasty side effects, especially if you don't drink it all that often.

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    2. Re:Great... by Cadallin · · Score: 4, Informative

      Estimating from the LD50 of Caffeine in Rats, that would be pretty freaking hard. Assuming no major underlying cardiac conditions, it would take around 10g of pure Caffeine to kill the average person. Double that for the average Slashdotter (who is both noticably more massive than average, AND likely to be quite Caffeine resistant, rather like trying to kill a Heroine addict with other, lesser depressants with similar Modes of Action). As for how much it takes to makes the average person start tripping balls and THINK they're dying, well that IS a lot lower.

    3. Re:Great... by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      just as a reference 200mg per Kg is LD50 so when you are having your Cocaine and HyperRing breakfast ease off on the Penguins

      so what is the spread on /. membership weight? (18.14 grams is Bingo for 90Kilograms/200 pounds)

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    4. Re:Great... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1
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    5. Re:Great... by Hobbs0 · · Score: 1

      As for how much it takes to makes the average person start tripping balls and THINK they're dying, well that IS a lot lower. according to this thats only 400 milligrams for the average person. For the average slashdotter its probably higher. And 400 milligrams is quite a bit of caffeine at one time.
    6. Re:Great... by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 4, Informative

      I took around 2 grams of caffiene once (important lesson: when dealing with chemicals, don't just eye stuff, buy what you need to accurately measure).

      Horribly unpleasent night, pretty shitty day after, and a general aversion to caffiene for a while..but really, the dangers of caffiene OD is really overstated. I'd certainly not recommend anyone OD, and it can be fatal if you REALLY overdo it, but to get to that point you will likely start experiencing seriously unpleasent side effects long before you get near fatal dosages.

      Unless you're taking the caffiene raw like I was, it isn't easy to even drink/eat enough caffinated products to get anywhere near the DangerZone(tm). YMMV of course.

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    7. Re:Great... by Kattspya · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not really. You would need about ten of these donuts (if each donut contains 200mg of caffeine) to experience some nasty side effects. When I was young I popped twenty or so 100mg caffeine pills in about an hour. I was jittery and sweaty for about five hours then I got a severe stomach ache, diarrhea and fell asleep at about seven PM.

      You would have to try really really hard to do yourself in with this.

    8. Re:Great... by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/caffeine/caffeine_ dose.shtml, the lethal oral dose ranges from 3-20g, depending on age, weight, rate of digestion, tolerance., etc. A 2g dose would probably not be fatal in most cases, but it's way too close for comfort. Indeed, there are reported cases of adults requiring hospitalization due to heart misbehavior triggered by as little as 2g, according to Wikipedia (citations given).

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    9. Re:Great... by GiMP · · Score: 1

      Apparently the OD limit is 400mg (although, yes, fatal dosage is much higher). One of these donuts and a double-shot of expresso or a large (by US standards) McDonalds or Dunkin Donuts coffee is enough to push you over that edge.

      Think about how you felt the last time you drank 4-5 cups of coffee within an hour, then say with honesty that this is a good idea.

    10. Re:Great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I take over 1g of caffeine pretty much regularly. I'm the type of total caffeine addict -- I wake up, and have a glass of diet cola before I do *anything*, in a single shot. Then I make myself coffee -- Drip, double espressos, lattes, you name it. I *LOVE* coffee! I got this gigantic mug (I might as well just pour milk right directly in the pot really) for "normal" coffee, got my cup warmer on the desk, got over 2000$ of coffee stuff (espresso machine, nice burr grinder, tampers, drip machine, Bodum french press, Ibrik for Turkish coffee, lots of nice cups, etc) an and all that. I have over a dozen different types of coffee. I've roasted coffee before. My favorite shopping destination is coffee shops. I love to have a nice cup of coffee to relax before going to bed (yes, seriously). I'm always very thirsty throughout the day, and somehow only diet cola seems to quench that thirst (never understood why) - it's like I'd drink a hundred gallons of anything else and I'd still feel thirsty. I don't think I ever have less than two 2L bottles/day. Not counting anything else like chocolate or such I might eat (and I love 70% chocolate!). I even take caffeine pills sometimes (ECA stacks - totally dig it!)

      I guess by now you've figured out I'm very much into caffeine (and a bit of a coffee geek/lover). I'm almost certain I hit 2g some days (most days?), and I never had problems caused by it. I never have any evident side effects (no headaches, no shaking, no problems sleeping or anything like that). I'm sure it's TOTALLY unhealthy though (gotta die of something, right?) Doubt it's much worse than smoking, eating at McDonalds or such all the time though.

    11. Re:Great... by SCHPONG · · Score: 1

      Think about how you felt the last time you drank 4-5 cups of coffee within an hour, then say with honesty that this is a good idea. That all depends on your level of caffeine tolerance. I NEVER eat breakfast before going to work and i usually have 3 to 5 cups of coffee within the first hour and a half when i get to work. Never noticed any sideeffects by it. But i guess if a person who never drinks coffe were to drink the same amount he'd be all over the place, taking a leak every 10 minutes and maybe get diarrhea. I know i couldn't drink that much when i first started with coffee :)
    12. Re:Great... by It'sYerMam · · Score: 1

      I never have any evident side effects

      Judging by the hyperactive character of your post, I would disagree...

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    13. Re:Great... by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

      I love to have a nice cup of coffee to relax before going to bed

      I am very amused that this was posted at 4am...

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    14. Re:Great... by chooks · · Score: 0

      Want to find out how much caffeine can kill you? Try this site:

      Death by caffeine

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    15. Re:Great... by Bender0x7D1 · · Score: 1

      You must pop a lot of pills. Diet Coke has 46mg of caffeine per 12 ounce can. Your 4 liters is about 11 cans, or 500mg of caffeine. Unless you guzzle coffee, instead of enjoying it, and use far less milk than you indicate, you aren't getting your 2g by drinking it.

      Try this page: Death by Caffeine to give you an idea of how much you would have to drink to reach lethal levels of caffeine. It will take 300 cans of Diet Coke to reach a lethal dosage for a 200 pound person; for Starbucks Double Shot - 105 cans; for espresso 177 shots. Since you mentioned drinking a lot of Diet Coke, that translates into 28 gallons or 106 liters of Diet Coke.

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    16. Re:Great... by fiendy · · Score: 1

      A girl I knew in my hometown OD'ed on caffeine and died. Basically the story that I got was she was taking too many pills, drinking coffee and worked herself to death. Obviously most of the details were kept quiet by her family, but from what I understand, no methamphetamines or harder stuff was involved.

    17. Re:Great... by Kattspya · · Score: 1

      I would scarcely call 400mg the OD limit. I can take that much instantly without any side effects except a small tremor of the hands and some additional sweat. This is from someone weighing about 200 pounds and without a caffeine tolerance. I rarely drink coffee unless I need it.

      The dosage advice on erowid seems to be pretty conservative. If you drink coffee daily you should easily be able to handle anything below 600-800. It's probably bad for you in the long run but you shouldn't be shaking around sweating like something that sweats a lot.

    18. Re:Great... by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 1

      MY 2g was in a single shotglass, mixed with water. Spread throughout the day I guess 2g wouldn't be as bad, but even then I'd say you're still closer to 1g or less.

      You'll know you ingested too much caffiene when everything appears a little bit brighter(light sensitivity). I'd advise injesting vommiting right then cause in the next few hours comes cold sweats, naussia, having to pee like a race horse, some vommiting, and just some general discomfort.

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    19. Re:Great... by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 1

      note: I didn't mean for that to sound like bragging,it really was just stupid mistake that I learned from, I just wanted to clarify. I'm no ripper or anything.

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    20. Re:Great... by sgt_doom · · Score: 1
      Great point, Citizen Tadrith. Besides, why substitute something for the excellent flavor of Caffe Vita, Caffe Umbria, and Santa Cruz Dark blends????

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    21. Re:Great... by Cadallin · · Score: 1

      That's about what I expected. Lethal Doses are data points on a normal distribution in the population. There are probably otherwise healthy people who would/could die from a 1g dose of Caffeine. We generally call people like that "allergic." Generally, one shouldn't go around taking doses on the order of magnitude of the LD50 of a substance, it just isn't a good idea (as you won't know before hand which end of the normal distribution you're on). But normal doses of Caffeine, between 1mg and 200mg, generally isn't at all dangerous. Note the definition of what LD50 is, its the amount of a substance that when administered will kill 50% of the subjects.

    22. Re:Great... by GiMP · · Score: 1

      "without any side effects except a small tremor of the hands and some additional sweat."

      One could argue that those are signs of a mild overdose ;-)

    23. Re:Great... by Kattspya · · Score: 1

      Good point.

    24. Re:Great... by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      You would need about ten of these donuts to experience some nasty side effects. You would have to try really really hard to do yourself in with this.

      Clearly our definitions of "try really really hard" are vastly different.

    25. Re:Great... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I'm always very thirsty throughout the day, and somehow only diet cola seems to quench that thirst (never understood why) - it's like I'd drink a hundred gallons of anything else and I'd still feel thirsty. I don't think I ever have less than two 2L bottles/day.
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  6. Ah the miracle of science by rolfwind · · Score: 1

    Gee, just what the world needed. At least the donuts won't just promote diabetes anymore.

  7. Fixed the typo by cuzco · · Score: 0, Redundant

    "The AP is reporting on a cop who has found a way to get caffeine into donuts... Thats better

  8. Think $$ by pharwell · · Score: 1

    Of course, ThinkGeek has probably already placed their order....

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  9. I'm still waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Caffeinated Bacon is what I'm waiting for. I hope to see the Transgenic Speedpig flying to a future breakfast table.

    1. Re:I'm still waiting by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Caffeinated Bacon

      Caffeinated extra sweet salted Bacon with MSG: The Ultimate American food. It grows hair on your chest, even while you are dead.

    2. Re:I'm still waiting by Reverend528 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, once they perfect the caffeinated bacon, it'll only be a matter of time until we'll have baconated grapefruit.

    3. Re:I'm still waiting by Dirtside · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm still waiting for Viscount Chocula and Admiral Crunch.

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    4. Re:I'm still waiting by arachnoprobe · · Score: 1

      Caffeinated extra sweet salted Bacon with MSG: The Ultimate American food.
      Buy Now! Low Fat, Low Sugar and lactose-free!
    5. Re:I'm still waiting by martinussen · · Score: 1

      Caffeinated bacon would be a sub-optimal idea, it aims at the wrong user group. What is needed is a caffeinated version of a product already very popular with the main users of caffeine. Slashdot, I present to you ... Caffeinated Ramen.

    6. Re:I'm still waiting by Ed_1024 · · Score: 1

      In related news:

      Global Bio-Tech Inc. announced today a newly patented DNA fragment which adds the capability for Caff-X(TM) production to any living cell; the code is introduced by the GBT synthetic Transcripto-Mat(R) retrovirus into the target organism. Caff-X(TM) is GBT's caffeine substitute, having 10x the effect of the natural product and able to whiten teeth at the same time. GBT's shares are up $2.34 in early trading.

    7. Re:I'm still waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's Archduke Chocula, you insensitive clod! :-)

    8. Re:I'm still waiting by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 1

      I'll never get used to the future..

  10. Obesity crisis? What obesity crisis? by suckmysav · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just what the world needs.

    As if sugar-soaked foods like donuts and those goddawful "Twinkies" aren't bad enough, some moronic scientist has to discover another addiction vector to get weak willed and stupid plebians hooked on their diabetes and heart disease industry recruitment products.

    How come /. doesn't have an "Only in America" tag?

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    1. Re:Obesity crisis? What obesity crisis? by Jotaigna · · Score: 1

      what the world needs its just a tad of discipline and self control. no one is forcing you to eat that stuff. i dont think you can really blame it on lack of education either, with the amount of "fat" awareness in tv these days its pretty clear that most overweight people are not thick boned or have glandular conditions.

      I myself am pretty weak and its like an addiction with Baked goods, if i want to stop eating them i have to go cold turkey. but after a couple of weeks, the skin looks much better (less pimples) and the love tank reducing its size so the chest is actually wider than the waist, its not that hard to stay in line with your eating.

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    2. Re:Obesity crisis? What obesity crisis? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be honest, if my love tank was reducing in size, I'd be pretty bummed. But I'm also not talking about my ass, either (which leads me to my next question, which I won't ask).

    3. Re:Obesity crisis? What obesity crisis? by suckmysav · · Score: 1

      "what the world needs its just a tad of discipline and self control. no one is forcing you to eat that stuff."

      What part of "weak willed plebians" did you fail to comprehend? Do I sound like a weak willed plebian?

      However, you are right, I am not forced to eat this stuff, therefore I don't.

      On the other hand, what I am forced to do is;

      a) deal with children who constantly demand to be fed this crap.

      b) pay the inflated health insurance premiums that are required in order to subsidise
            the poor eating choices of the aforementioned weak willed plebians.

      Anyway, have a nice day. Have an extra 10 donuts for me, ok?

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    4. Re:Obesity crisis? What obesity crisis? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh my God, I know. The nerve of this guy, developing a product that some people might buy. And the nerve of all those plebians, excersising their awful right to choose...how could people make unhealthy choices? They should be beaten.

      It must feel so good, up on your pedestal, looking down on us plebians, eating our doughnuts, drinking our coffee, or heaven help us, beer.

    5. Re:Obesity crisis? What obesity crisis? by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      > what the world needs its just a tad of discipline and self control

      until that objective is reached I'd ban use of stealthy addictive things in food. Let us coffee people understand if and how we're dependent on the stuff.

      > no one is forcing you to eat that stuff.

      subtle advertisement will. caffeine causing addiction will. Don't forget millions of people were convinced by Hollywood to smoke terribly smelling tobacco leaves, recently mixed with various chemicals.

      Going a lil OT, this sounds to me like the trite argument about TV, "nobody's forcing you to see crappy programs". But you get enough judgment to understand if you're seeing crap only after years of swallowing TV, and parents are not around every time (not to mention TV sitcoms have parents and sons in constant attrition)

      So what we get is TV debates on how on earth people are so dumb and violent to replicate what they see on TV in real life (of course they never put it this way blaming everything, society politicians school family, never themselves)

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    6. Re:Obesity crisis? What obesity crisis? by ggKimmieGal · · Score: 1

      Yeah... caffeinated cookies to keep me going at work? I don't think so. There's no way in hell I'm putting all that fat on my hips. If I really need a pick me up that is sweet, I'll just go down to Starbucks and order a mocha frap for $7. At least then the price will deter me from doing it all the time. But other than that, a healthy diet, exercise, and plenty of rest should be enough to keep you going through the day.

    7. Re:Obesity crisis? What obesity crisis? by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      Oh my God, I know. The nerve of [those heroine dealers], developing a product that some people might buy. And the nerve of all those plebians, excersising their awful right to choose...how could people make unhealthy choices? They should be beaten. ...Oooh, oooh! I know...

      Oh my God, I know. The nerve of [child pornographers], developing a product that some people might buy. And the nerve of all those plebians, excersising their awful right to choose...how could people make unhealthy choices? They should be beaten. ...Wait, I've got another one...

      Oh my God, I know. The nerve of [euthanasia advocates], developing a product that some people might buy. And the nerve of all those plebians, excersising their awful right to choose...how could people make unhealthy choices? They should be beaten.

      Straw man arguments against straw man arguments aside...

      The original poster's objection is to the very real problem of people adding an addictive drug to an unhealthy food item (which currently doesn't have to be labelled beyond the ingredients section on the back) for the explicit purpose of helping people get addicted to a product that harms them.

      Would you feel as warm and fuzzy about the idea if manufacturers had figured out a way to sneak nicotine into unhealthy, impulse-buy food items? I mean, it's not that people objecting to this feel that people's right to choose is awful. It's a manufacturer's ability to chemically influence people's right to choose that bothers us.

      How are you supposed to keep your kids healthy when other people might be slipping them addictive junk food? I mean, the sugar in it and the barrage of advertising are bad enough...

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    8. Re:Obesity crisis? What obesity crisis? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole point is, though...they're not "slipping" addictive chemicals into our junk food. This is no deeply veiled plot to get kids hooked on unhealthy baked goods...hell, you hardly need extra chemicals to do that. Until I see otherwise, this pretty up front...here, we put some of that stuff you love that might not be too good for you in some of that other stuff you love, that definitely isn't too good for you. I don't see a conspiracy...hell, doughnut companies don't need a conspiracy, they're making lots of money selling stuff we know is bad for us.

      If we're upset about bad eating habits...I'm sorry, we have no one to blame but ourselves. You can compare junk food to heroin all you like, but without to ability for people to make bad choices, the good ones don't mean all that much.

  11. tested on /. by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Congratulations, you got first post.

    His jazzed donuts actually paid off, then. (I didn't say "jizzed", so don't git any stupid ideas.)

  12. Next Up by umbrellasd · · Score: 4, Funny

    Chocolate Chip Meth Cookies

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    2. Re:Next Up by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      "Sounds like a conspiracy from the ADA."

      "That's just the chocolate chip meth cookies talking..."

      "That's what they want you to think!"

  13. Still no cure for cancer by ZP-Blight · · Score: 2, Funny

    Still no cure for cancer. Good to know research money is well spent.

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    1. Re:Still no cure for cancer by Firehed · · Score: 1

      I doubt a whole lot of research went into these, and if there was, it was wasted. You can get caffeine in a powder form, so mixing a spoonful or two into the baking flour shouldn't have required much research. To be honest, I'm surprised it only just happened.

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    2. Re:Still no cure for cancer by Hobbs0 · · Score: 1

      Sssh... Don't reveal this guys secret scientific formula!

    3. Re:Still no cure for cancer by kfg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Still no cure for cancer.

      Why? Because that's hard.

      Good to know research money is well spent.

      Most of which goes to . . .cancer research. Outside of warfare perhaps the biggest money sink in human history. I know this might be hard to grasp, but spending money only implies spending money, not results. Throwing money into a hole just wastes your money.

      Money only buys labor and "stuff," not understanding.

      KFG

    4. Re:Still no cure for cancer by CosmeticLobotamy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's another article on this somewhere that says caffeine isn't soluble and tastes bad, and the work went into encapsulating it.

    5. Re:Still no cure for cancer by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

      I know this might be hard to grasp,

      Probably b/c he's poor.

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    6. Re:Still no cure for cancer by kfg · · Score: 1

      Ah, but the trick to being poor successfully is not in getting more money, but in making every penny count; and never spending more than twenty pounds if that's all you've got.

      Perhaps Congress should read more Dickens.

      KFG

    7. Re:Still no cure for cancer by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      Soluble in what? Air? I get a caffeine buzz going before I finish my red bull, and I've never seen them print on the can "shake before drinking".

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    8. Re:Still no cure for cancer by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

      Heh, but that would require understanding, which can't be bought. If a solution can't be bought (preferably from a contributor or powerful constituency) then Congress is seldom interested. Spending other people's money is much easier than spending your own time to engage in that most suspect of practices, thoughtful consideration.

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  14. Why is this news... by abshnasko · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...people have been doing this with Marijuana for years.

    1. Re:Why is this news... by rapidweather · · Score: 1

      While working in the California desert in the 1960's, I was told that the Navaho Indians had "peyote cookies" that they could carry with them on the job site, away from the reservation. I never saw the cookies, my friend just pointed to the Indian workers, and said that they had them. The Indians looked normal to me, none of them were doing anything strange at the time. Perhaps some of them had the peyote cookies, but not all of them, I don't know.
      Here is a link with some info on what peyote has, and does for people.

    2. Re:Why is this news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but unless you dunk in a whole lot of sugar, or get the mixture JUST right, there's always a very slight perceptible taste IMO. The flavor is the big news here.

    3. Re:Why is this news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make butter. Plain buds will leave a taste, but if you take the time to make actually cannabutter, the taste is significantly diminished.

  15. Taste and smell of coffee by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I for one like the way coffee tastes and smells. The bitter taste (I drink coffee w/o cream or sugar) is part of the thing that wakes me up in the morning!


    -b.

    1. Re:Taste and smell of coffee by maxume · · Score: 1

      You're not brewing it right.

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    2. Re:Taste and smell of coffee by Recurve+Boy · · Score: 1

      For espressos anyway, the bitter flavour can be a sign that the coffee was not correctly made. For many blends, extracted properly, the espresso will not be very bitter at all. so if you have not been a coffee drinker because it's too bitter, find a good coffee place! (Not Starbucks. Yuck.)

    3. Re:Taste and smell of coffee by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1
      You're not brewing it right.

      ???

      Coffee beans themselves have a bitter taste. It's good-bitter, IMHO, not nasty at all.

      -b.

    4. Re:Taste and smell of coffee by metlin · · Score: 1

      I agree.

      That was my very first thought when I read about this. I mean, if all you wanted was a stimulant, get yourself some caffeine pills.

      Part of what makes a coffee special is its taste.

    5. Re:Taste and smell of coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well then why not just drink a nice cup of steaming hot shit? I'm sure that probably tastes bitter enough.

    6. Re:Taste and smell of coffee by Manchot · · Score: 1

      I'm not a big coffee fan, myself. I much prefer to wake up with an nice, cool can of Diet Dr. Pepper.

    7. Re:Taste and smell of coffee by macshit · · Score: 1

      the bitter flavour can be a sign that the coffee was not correctly made.

      I think the term "bitter" is rather vague in common usage anyway -- tastes are complex things, and people often don't have the words (or the patience) to describe them more accurately. There's "unpleasant" bitter, and there's "rich-delicious-chocolate" bitter. I love many "bitter" tastes, but bitterness is just one part of much more complicated sensations (maybe not the major part either, simply one for which I have a convenient word at hand).

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    8. Re:Taste and smell of coffee by Nasarius · · Score: 1

      I mean, if all you wanted was a stimulant, get yourself some caffeine pills.
      Have you tried caffeine pills? No-Doz is truly unpleasant and not very effective. Another brand (yellow tablets, 200mg) isn't bad, but it's still not as effective and pleasant as drinking coffee.
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    9. Re:Taste and smell of coffee by udderly · · Score: 1

      I'm not giving up coffee for any other caffeinated food or beverage. For one thing, I love the smell and taste of hot black coffee. For another, I harbor the suspicion that some of the other complex compounds in coffee contribute to the effect.

      I have noticed this in myself and have queried many a co-worker and friend whether they thought that an equivalent dose of caffeine in other forms (soda, pills, etc) was as effective as coffee. Most have responded that they think coffee is more effective.

      Not scientific, I know. If someone wants to fund it though...

  16. Fat and High! by cuteseal · · Score: 1

    Great! Now we can get both fat and high!

  17. How will this help? by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 1

    My normal morning brew:

    4 heaped tea spoons of instant espresso mixed with half a cup of boiling water. Repeat on the hour every hour.

    This isn't sufficient to keep me awake in meetings. Caffeine is rubbish, any effect is has is psychosomatic at best. Fortunately these days I *run* meetings and generally manage to keep them to 15 minutes or less. Anyone who can't get to the point and make a decision inside 15 minutes isn't worth employing anyway.

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    1. Re:How will this help? by bendodge · · Score: 1
      Caffeine is a powerful drug that affects the central nervous system and causes the realase of adrenaline.

      Wikipedia:

      Caffeine tolerance develops very quickly, especially among heavy coffee drinkers. Complete tolerance to sleep disruption effects of caffeine develops after consuming 400 mg of caffeine per day for 7 days. Complete tolerance to all subjective effects of caffeine was observed to develop after consuming 300 mg per day for 18 days, and possibly even earlier.[43] Considering that 80% to 90% of American adults consume caffeine daily, and their mean daily caffeine intake exceeds 200 mg/day,[44] it can be surmised that a large fraction of the U.S. adult population is completely tolerant to caffeine. You are simply numb to it's affects.
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    2. Re:How will this help? by DurendalMac · · Score: 1

      It's not rubbish. Unless you don't ever drink it, you wont see much effect until you drink quite a bit. For instance, my mother very rarely drinks caffeinated soda, but she'll get some Dr. Pepper if she's driving late and it does the trick. Me...well, I drink a pretty good amount, but if I get enough, I can get the effect. I drank four cans of Full Throttle and three cans of Mountain Dew at a LAN party over the course of maybe 2 hours. I was hopping around in my seat.

    3. Re:How will this help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it can be surmised that a large fraction of the U.S. adult population is completely tolerant to caffeine.

      Caffeine is a powerful drug that affected the central nervous system and caused the release of adrenaline.

      Fixed the spelling error for you.

    4. Re:How will this help? by trip909 · · Score: 1

      Good God man, You're either seriously addicted to or completely impervious to caffeine. That much coffee would make me into a twitching, drooling, maniac. Instant coffee?! Have a little respect for yourself. I suggest you raise the quality and lower the quantity.

    5. Re:How will this help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Do what I do, take the weekends (or basically whenever you're not in dire need of it) caffeine-free. It seems to counteract your immunity to it, especially first thing monday morning.. having it every day of the week is just asking for trouble.

      PS. Cut down on the caffeine already, if your figures are correct I'd be highly surprised to see another post from you.
    6. Re:How will this help? by Tawnos · · Score: 1

      Most likely your brain has compensated for the large amount of caffeine you intake by increasing the number of adenosine receptors to the point where you'd have a few day long "crash" should you stop. Though afterwards caffeine would "work" again.

    7. Re:How will this help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This guys website http://www.realistic-dragon.co.uk/ just loads a frame with slashdot in it. I'd say he has bigger problems than his coffee intake.

    8. Re:How will this help? by vidarh · · Score: 2, Informative
      If you think the effects of caffeine are psychosomatic, you are seriously deluded. Since you're in the uk, buy some Pro Plus caffeine pills, and try slowly upping the dose (you're doing so at your own risk...). At some point you will start to have serious problems sitting still (i.e. you will feel a compulsion to "do stuff"), and will start getting a pricking feeling on the skin, and start shaking. You may . Now, at that point you've taken far more than is advisable for normal use, though far less than lethal dose... Caffeine is fairly potent.

      As others have pointed out, though, you probably have developed a high tolerance. After years of drinking massive amounts of coke I'm at the point too where I can drink a couple of energy drinks right before bed and still sleep like a baby.

      But it definitively has significant effects. I sometimes use caffeine before lifting weights (I alternate between using nothing, using creatine, and using caffeine), and typically a dose of 200mg or more will let me lift at least 5kg more for several parts of my routine, and will make me feel a lot less tired during the workout so I keep the intensity up much better. I've tried up to 350mg, and some research supposedly indicates that up to 650mg to 900mg is the most useful to improve exercise, but the effect on my stomach is bad enough at less than 300 that I'm not going to test that...

      The downside is that at around 250mg or above, if I for whatever reason take it and get distracted so I don't get to the gym quickly, I will start shaking. A short run or a couple of sets of heavy weights will stop that pretty quickly, though.

      To me it also has a very clear effect if I feel tired, but it's of course temporary and I feel more worn out when it's over, so I only take caffeine if I would benefit from a temporary improvement and know I can rest properly afterwards.

      But seriously, if you have problems staying awake even with that kind of caffeine intake, cut the caffeine for a while and start exercising. Then slowly reintroduce caffeine only when you "need" the effect for a short period of time. Starting to lift weights two years ago has done far more for my energy levels than any amount of caffeine ever did. Cut sugar and carb intake too - especially if you're unfit, as insulin resistance will make you tired far more easily with those kind of foods.

    9. Re:How will this help? by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      Also, like any other drug, caffeine takes a while to fully peak. Usually about half an hour on an empty stomach, a little longer if you've been eating food before hand. Pair it with sugar and you've got a real pick me up.

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    10. Re:How will this help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry to nitpick, but caffeine is not potent at all. With the dosage starting at 100mg or more, it's pretty low in potency. Amphetamine would have almost identical effects at maybe 5mg or less and there are amphetamine derivatives that would have comparable effects at a dosage of 0.2-0.4mg. Potency is the amount of chemical required to have the desired effect.

  18. Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by LearnToSpell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a stimulant, right? Sometimes the war on drugs just makes me shake my head. We flip out about baseball players taking greenies, and then say "well, they can just drink coffee or Coke instead!" Truly bizarre.

    1. Re:Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by iPaul · · Score: 1

      Nicely said.

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    2. Re:Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by kfg · · Score: 2

      Sometimes the war on drugs just makes me shake my head.

      The war on drugs has nothing to do with drugs, per se.

      It's about race, class, Calvanist anti-sensual morality and just plain power mongering social control.

      I left something out. What the hell is it?

      Oh, yeah, money. You can always learn something by following the money.

      KFG

    3. Re:Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by pbaer · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      "Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men."

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    4. Re:Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by renoX · · Score: 1

      >Why is caffeine not a drug in America?

      Because the problem with drugs is the addiction triggered by them.
      I don't think that there are so many people addicted to coffee..

      Now, if you asked the same question about Marijuana, this would be more interesting: I had some friends which on Saturday nights party smoked Marijuana: they didn't get addicted at all, they wouldn't smoke during the week, or at all parties..
      Sure I knew also one guy who was addicted: he smoke everyday, so it's possible, but you can get addicted to anything..

    5. Re:Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by Cheesey · · Score: 1

      Why are alcohol and tobacco not drugs?

      They're at least as dangerous as many illegal drugs. More people die because of overuse or long-term addiction to alcohol or tobacco than any other drug. If the war on drugs was really about protecting public health, both would be illegal.

      Of course, we know what happened when alcohol was prohibited. The consequence of prohibition is organised crime. When alcohol was legalized again, the gangsters moved on to substances that are still prohibited in this "land of the free". The high demand for illegal drugs continues to keep them in a business that rivals many global corporations in wealth generated.

      Laws that prohibit drugs are simply moral laws. They are derived from the same religious roots as the temperance movement: the Puritan belief that any kind of inebriation must be sinful (to see what Jesus has to say about this, see John 2). I personally don't think these laws should be on the books any more than laws requiring Intelligent Design to be taught in place of science. But that's just my personal view. Hopefully even those who disagree with me will agree that they are hypocritical moral laws, because prohibition is not applied fairly and equally to all "morally harmful" things.

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    6. Re:Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by Troed · · Score: 1

      Caffeine is highly addictive, and many regular coce and coffee drinkers are indeed dependant. Take away their drug and they'll experience headaches and become very irritable.

      Cannabis, on the other hand, is one of the least addictive "drugs" we know.

    7. Re:Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by renoX · · Score: 1

      >they'll experience headaches and become very irritable.

      I've never known someone who had that, how long last these effects?
      If it's one day or two, that's still a mild addiction.

    8. Re:Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know how long they last, because I know when I get the headaches that a cup of coffee will solve it. 2 or 3 days definitely though.

      I know I'm addicted to coffee, and I've dealt with mild alcohol addiction in the past. I have the mental chemistry that means I get addicted to stuff easily.

      I used to smoke marijuana at university. Run out of cash? Stop smoking it. Keep drinking beer and coffee. Revision needed for exams? Stop smoking weed, keep drinking. Alcohol and caffeine are very addictive, cannabis is not so much (although some people will get addicted to anything).

    9. Re:Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by 2ms · · Score: 1

      Dude, are you really so short-sighted and that you cannot see why drugs are a major problem in baseball? Do you need it explained to you how caffeine is a little different from meth? Do you understand the reasons why it's unfortunate that more and more professional athletes are feeling the need to take hormones like Testosterone and Growth Hormone in order to merely be competitive?

      The more players take these things, the more the rest of the players will be forced to in order to still be able to retain their jobs (ie be competitive)? Do you not realize how sad it is that even the most talented teenagers in the world in sports like bicycle racing, cross-country skiing, speed-skating, mma, boxing, football, etc. these days are having to face the prospect of potentially life altering substances in order to simply have a shot?

      Have some sense of perspective

    10. Re:Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

      Drugs, both legal and illegal, aren't restricted to any race or class.

      There is plenty of money in illegal drugs.

      Coffee isn't banned because we have been drinking it (and tea) for so long. It is not considered 'bad' at all.

      Alcohol isn't banned because that didn't work out well.

    11. Re:Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by ciggieposeur · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I gradually came off caffeine last year after having had sodas, coffee, espresso, and tea off and on for 14 years. Two days after switching from small caffeinated sodas to small decaf sodas, the caffeine withdrawal headache began.

      The headache was 5 days long and required 800 mg ibuprofen (4 Advil) + 440 mg naproxen sodium (2 Aleve) every 3-6 hours to relieve the pain. I could not sleep without painkillers, I could not think or go into work without painkillers. On the last day I actually went to a doctor seeking a better painkiller because I was down to 3-hour cycles on the Advil+Aleve and was worried about screwing my kidneys and liver. Fortunately that day the pain finally eased off and over the next three days the "memory" of the headache faded. However, I still felt sluggish and "off" for about eight weeks.

      I discovered some interesting things during this time. First, some argue that no good studies about caffeine addiction have been produced in the Western world because over 90% of the population is regularly exposed to caffeine and a fully-caffeine-free control group cannot be assembled. Second, caffeine crosses through the placenta easily so most newborns are already exposed. Finally, one class of migraine headaches might be entirely explained as caffeine withdrawal, especially since caffeine is a major component of migraine treatment. I won't go so far as to say that all things non-"natural" are evil, but caffeine is definitely an insidious influence in American society. We don't need it like electricity, it provides zero value if taken daily, yet if most people went a few days without it they would be surprised at the intensity of the withdrawal effects.

      Since getting off caffeine, I have noticed that I sleep much deeper and in general learn and retain information better, but my thinking speed is sometimes noticeably slower. I've had caffeine a few times to speed up when I need it, but I also taste the caffeine now clearly in sodas.

      For me, I have to be careful with caffeine. I do NOT want that five-day migraine again, and the benefits are only rarely needed. My brother had a similar experience getting off, and my mother still cannot get off caffeine after using it for close to thirty years.

    12. Re:Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      KFG you're the biggest douchebag ever. stop posting at /.

    13. Re:Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by RexRhino · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but what you describe pretty much covers any type of prohibitionism. Drugs, booze, guns, pornography, violent video games, etc.

      I agree with you that the War on Drugs is stupid, but so many of the people who are against the War on Drugs support some other prohibitionist cause.

    14. Re:Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by kfg · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but what you describe pretty much covers any type of prohibitionism. Drugs, booze, . . .

      You repeat yourself.

      . . . guns, pornography, violent video games, etc.

      Yes, the drug prohibition is more closely related to our obscenity laws than it is to the public saftey laws it purports to be about.

      Look in the Bible. The Temple Whores of "those" people drink beer. We, the morally pure with the proper sort of God on our side, drink wine. Or just watch for the mead scene in The 13th Warrior.

      It's this sort of thing that makes the war on drugs into an illogical mess of a war on some drugs.

      KFG

    15. Re:Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      because our economy would screech to a halt without it. Osama should have crashed planes into Columbia trucking roads if he wanted to stop our economy.

    16. Re:Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by THE+ROCK · · Score: 1

      I didn't have it that bad but I can relate to this.

      Working in the IT field, I spent probably 4 years drinking anywhere from 4-12 cups of coffee EVERY DAY. When I stopped drinking coffee it took me about a week before the headaches went away. Fortunately, there was this lady in the office who liked me, and had a habit of giving away (well usually selling) her meds to anyone that had a need, and she hooked me up with some hardcore sleeping aids. All in all, quitting caffeine was not quite as hard as quitting smoking, because the craving faded so much more quickly.

      I got a bit hooked on the pills for a few months, but a bit of willpower and a few days of insomnia was enough to lick that.

      I have coffee sometimes now, mostly when I need to skip a night of sleep. I make a point to never have more than 2 cups in a day, and try to avoid it mostly.

    17. Re:Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Ultimately, it's the people who claim to speak for all of us rationalizing their hypocrisy.

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    18. Re:Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      No.

      You're confusing simple tradition with the sort of social-control elements that KFG is talking about. Yes, around the world in various cultures some recreational drugs are considered acceptable and others are not (and yes, I consider alcohol a drug for the purposes of this discussion.) The choices different societies make are often different than ours, and as you say, that has more to do with traditional acceptance gained from decades or centuries of popular use than anything else.

      However, KFG is correct in stating that the modern War on Drugs (which, after all is said and done, is nothing but thinly-veiled Prohibitionism with a twist of bureaucratic empire-building) has darker motives behind it. That's because we have an arbitrary pseudo-moral force (the government) deciding what is acceptable and what is not, often in direct contravention to the will of the majority. The bureaucrats that run the thing have a vested interest in continuing their moral crusade against the nation's evil potheads because they'd otherwise be out of a job.

      The use of illicit drugs is not restricted to any particular race or class, but some races and classes consume far more than others and are the target of much more government "intervention" than others. To say that race has no bearing on the activities of the government's anti-drug compaign would be incorrect. Besides, if you look at the un-Constitutional laws that have been passed in the name of this War, you'd realize that it is much, much more than a mere Prohibition clone.

      Besides, if the reason that alcohol is no longer banned is because Prohibition didn't work out very well, one has to ask ... why is marijuana still banned? I have news for you: the War on Drugs isn't working out very well either. In the past century our government (eventually) had the good sense to realize that Prohibition was an abject failure and rescinded it. Ask yourself this: given that illicit drugs are readily available to anyone who wants them (much as alcohol remained accessible during Prohibition) is the War on Drugs really worth what we're spending upon it?

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    19. Re:Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by kfg · · Score: 1

      the people who claim to speak for all of us rationalizing their hypocrisy.

      Ah, yes, philosophers.

      KFG

    20. Re:Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by alan_dershowitz · · Score: 1

      I can't believe a control group couldn't be found. I have a number of Mormon friends, and part of their religion is not ingesting stuff like caffeine. One of them went to a private Mormon university, and he told me that there weren't even soda or coffee machines anywhere on campus.

    21. Re:Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by Anonymous+McCartneyf · · Score: 1

      When the 21st Amendment ending Prohibition was passed, it was determined to be the final word on the subject of federally banning alcohol. When they made the list of controlled substances act, Class I (the drugs banned outright) contained drugs which, according to the Feds, were highly addictive, had bad side effects, had no legit medical uses, and were not alcohol!
      Tobacco is harder to explain or justify. The reasoning I heard on it was that the gov. can't make tobacco illegal because the Department of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms has a mandate to regulate tobacco. You can't regulate a substance that has been banned outright; anyone trying to legalize drugs that are currently illegal will tell you this.

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    22. Re:Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by ciggieposeur · · Score: 1

      I'm not a statistics expert, but I can sort of believe it. Essentially everyone who does NOT ingest caffeine does so for reasons that imply they do some other things differently too. (Anecdote: The only caffeine-free people I know are serious into either exercise or restricted diet so they wouldn't be appropriate for a general study.) It would be like finding a control group to measure the neurological effects of television exposure.

      That was the opinion of an actual doctor I found via google. I wish I could find the link again.

    23. Re:Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by mpe · · Score: 1

      Caffeine is highly addictive, and many regular coce and coffee drinkers are indeed dependant. Take away their drug and they'll experience headaches and become very irritable.
      Cannabis, on the other hand, is one of the least addictive "drugs" we know.


      Prohibition has little to do with if a drug is addictive or harmful. It is based on politics rather than pharmachology.

    24. Re:Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      Laws that prohibit drugs are simply moral laws.

      All laws that attempt to prevent people from hurthing others or themselves are moral laws, based on the ethical proposition that harm to self or others is a bad thing. There is simply no difference between a law against the taking of drugs and helmet/seat belt laws in terms of ethical justification for their existence.

      The main obstacle to banning tobacco is lobbies from North Carolina and other states that profit from tobacco farming. The tobacco grower's lobby is very powerful; just look at how much effort it took to finally end tobacco crop subsidies in 2003. For this same reason, America has forced countries to unban smoking as part of trade agreements for decades.

      The hypocrisy over tobacco, at least, is fueled by powerful and legal industry lobbies behind it that other banned drugs do not have.

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    25. Re:Why is caffeine not a drug in America? by mpe · · Score: 1

      If the war on drugs was really about protecting public health, both would be illegal.
      Of course, we know what happened when alcohol was prohibited. The consequence of prohibition is organised crime.


      One fundermental problem with prohibition is that it is unlikely to improve public health. Drugs supplied via a black market tend to be of unknown concentration and purity. Further gangsters tend to deal with their business problems by using weapons. The latter can be a big problem even for people who have no interest in the drugs in question.

  19. Time for a new science icon by rmpotter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's time Slashdot introduced a new icon for stooopid bad science. Maybe Einstein with wearing a dunce cap? Or Homer Simpson wearing lab coat?

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    1. Re:Time for a new science icon by suckmysav · · Score: 1

      Would that mean creating a correlatory icon for "clever bad science"?

      What about "stupid good science"?

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  20. Coffee Cake by EricJ2190 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This gives coffee cake a whole new meaning.

    1. Re:Coffee Cake by Frankie70 · · Score: 1

      Coffee cake is cake eaten with Coffee.
      Not neccasarily Cake containing Coffee.

  21. A dream come true by adambha · · Score: 0

    Caffeine-aholics rejoice!

  22. Japanese green-tea flavored stuff by Estanislao+Mart�nez · · Score: 2

    Do all those Japanese green tea flavored cookies and ice cream and such have caffeine in them, I wonder? (They're made using matcha, which is ground dried tea leaves...)

    1. Re:Japanese green-tea flavored stuff by iPaul · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Anything Asian gets a pass, 'cause it's like "holistic" and "ancient."

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    2. Re:Japanese green-tea flavored stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Green tea has very little caffeine, compared to other teas (except white tea), and especially compared to soda and coffee. But they can have a good flavour and do have health benefits. They're a damn fine alternative to drinking pots of coffee or cans of soda all day long.
      This new caffeinated stuff sounds downright nasty. It's full of sugar and junk that can only lead to health problems in the long run. Use it sparingly, if at all...

    3. Re:Japanese green-tea flavored stuff by 0rionx · · Score: 1

      Since matcha does contain caffeine, most products that have had it added also contain caffeine. On the other hand, the caffeine concentration in green tea is (depending on variety) generally a lot lower than that in coffee. Given the potency of matcha, most recipes don't call for much of it to be added, so I doubt you'd be able to get much of a buzz even if you lived off nothing but sembe and mochi ice cream.

    4. Re:Japanese green-tea flavored stuff by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      cheap green tea like bancha and all those chinese teas don't contain much caffeine, but better japanese grades, especially grown in shadow, contain quite high caffeine levels. you can get high on caffeine much faster with gyokuro than with espresso.

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    5. Re:Japanese green-tea flavored stuff by pafrusurewa · · Score: 1

      cheap green tea like bancha and all those chinese teas don't contain much caffeine
      China is big. Very big. There are so many different kinds of tea in China that saying "all those Chinese teas" is like saying "all those brown beverages". It just doesn't make sense. There are plenty of Chinese greens that have a very high caffeine content.

      you can get high on caffeine much faster with gyokuro than with espresso.
      Espresso is probably cheaper in most places ;-).
    6. Re:Japanese green-tea flavored stuff by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      please name a couple of them, i am always interested in new tea grades.

      anyway, i have tasted quite a lot (about 30) different chinese teas, they had pretty low caffeine content and were alltogether not as good as japanese ones - suppose it has something to do with chinese roasting their green teas and japanese steaming them.

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  23. Need I say it? by heretic108 · · Score: 1

    "The AP is reporting on a scientist who has found a way to get caffeine into donuts, bagels, and other baked goods"
    Police heaven!

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  24. Two points by iPaul · · Score: 1, Troll

    1) You were always able to dunk your doughnuts in coffee - thus adding both a pleasant flavor and caffine to the doughnuts. (Hence the name Dunkin' Donuts).

    2) WTF! Really!?!? What is so totally wrong with our food that we have to add stimulants. We've already f'ed up chicken to the point where almost all of it is covered in a bacteria because it's washed in it's own s**t! Your milk and beef is so full of hormones and anti-biotics we're passing them into the sewage system and it's making mutant fish! WTF! What's next? Prozac bacon? Tylenol bagels? Or how about chocolate cake with appetite suppressants?

    Hmm... Why do I seem so upset and uptight about this? Maybe it's because, like most Americans, I drink caffine all friggin' day!

    On a side note - I don't think Mormons can eat caffinated foods.

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    1. Re:Two points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mmmmmm, prozac bacon, aghghghghgh

  25. That's just what we need! by ArcherB · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wired fat people! Will they shake, or jiggle?

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    1. Re:That's just what we need! by Anonymous+McCartneyf · · Score: 1

      They will shake and jiggle. They will cause minor earthquakes. And then they will eat more because they're hoping that the caffiene will burn off the calories in the donuts.

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  26. Chocolate by Aneirin · · Score: 2, Informative

    I never knew of caffeine as being bitter by itself until this article. I believe we already have donuts with caffeine, its called chocolate.

    1. Re:Chocolate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The chocolate that goes on doughnuts is usually milk chocolate, which is sweetened. Dark chocolate is much more bitter, and pure chocolate is very bitter (it's actually known as "bitter chocolate" by some people - for good reason).

    2. Re:Chocolate by zombie_striptease · · Score: 1

      Since when does chocolate have a significant amount of caffeiene? Maybe you're confusing it with Theobromine? There are some conflicting accounts regarding caffeine in chocolate, but I'm inclined to believe the info on that page mostly because trying to drink coffee (even when it's been diluted to hell and back with milk and syrups from the local barista) starts to give me a headache after just a couple of ounces, whereas eating a large amount of dark chocolate at once makes me feel relaxed and kind of floaty (probably more due to the subsequent buildup of Anandamide than the Theobromine itself.)

    3. Re:Chocolate by thelexx · · Score: 1

      You'd have to eat nearly a pound of milk chocolate to get the amount of caffeine in one cup of coffee.

      http://www.healthcentral.com/peoplespharmacy/408/6 0913.html

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    4. Re:Chocolate by vidarh · · Score: 1

      Try letting a caffeine pill dissolve on your tongue. It's not a pleasant taste. I can clearly taste caffeine in several types of products, and the bitter taste of caffeine is one of the things that makes me hate most diet colas, as the sugar in regular colas is the main things masking it and very few products successfully mask the taste without ridiculous amounts of sugar.

  27. I knew I'd see this here! by aldousd666 · · Score: 1

    I saw the headlines on the news sites, and I thought... surely slashdot will pick this one up... this is certainly news that matters! This could get interesting... I mean, sure it starts with donuts... but in the future I imagine pokey office space looking endorser testimony about how they can't get going in the morning without their spiked tofu... "Man this 'jolt(tm) yogurt' really keeps me awake!"

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  28. Caffeinated donuts already exist by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 1

    It's called "dunking your donut in your morning coffee"

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    1. Re:Caffeinated donuts already exist by Kelson · · Score: 1

      Yes, but imagine how much less coffee you'll have to drink when you dunk your two-coffee-cups-equivalent donut in your coffee!

      That's three cups worth of caffeine in only one cup of liquid! Just think of the time you'll save on bathroom breaks!

  29. I'm never gonna get used to the thirty-first centu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Caffeinated bacon? Baconated grapefruit? Admiral Crunch?

  30. Bitter flavor? by J.+T.+MacLeod · · Score: 1

    Wasn't ENHANCING flavor Coca-Cola's excuse for putting caffeine in nearly all their products?

    Freaking rats.

    1. Re:Bitter flavor? by WaXHeLL · · Score: 1

      That's just like saying that you never put a hint of sour flavoring into various recipes. Bitterness is a vital part of a number of recipes. Personally, I'd rather not be drinking pure sugar (which is pretty close to Coke). Some people experience the "too sweet" effect when eating certain sweet foods. Besides, a much more complex flavor is desired in various wines and beers.

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  31. Ob. Futurama Quote by zymurgy_cat · · Score: 1

    "Caffeinated bacon? Baconated grapefruit? ADMIRAL Crunch?!?"

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  32. In other news: Tomacco Invented by transporter_ii · · Score: 1

    Tomacco was accidentally created by Homer Simpson when he "planted a little bit of everything" and fertilized his tomato and tobacco fields with plutonium. The result is a tomato that apparently has a dried, gray tobacco center, and, although being described as tasting terrible by many characters (Ralph Wiggum: "Eww, Daddy, this tastes like Grandma!"), is also immediately and powerfully addictive. (Wikipedia)

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  33. Ob. Simpons Quote by transporter_ii · · Score: 1

    "Eww, Daddy, this tastes like Grandma!" -- Ralph Wiggum

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  34. Wired Milk! by resistant · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm telling you true, what I really want is caffeinated milk, that's what to do. Man, I love skim milk, and if it were wired, I'd be racing around just like a cow siren yelling, "MoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOO!!!"

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    1. Re:Wired Milk! by MisterOblivious · · Score: 1

      It's called Hyper Cow and was introduced to market in 2003. There was controversy surrounding the plan to sell it in schools and the product has since disappeared from the market.
      The chocolate flavor was a bit on the sweet side for a chocolate milk but was otherwise a decent product.

  35. Brewed leaf green tea != matcha by Estanislao+Mart�nez · · Score: 2, Informative

    I wouldn't draw conclusions about the caffeine content of matcha (powdered green tea) from the content of brewed leaf green tea. One of them is the stuff that readily dissolves into hot water from dried tea leaves; the other one is the whole of the leaves, ground into a fine power, and then dissolved in water.

    Googling is only giving me contradictory claims as to which has more caffeine, so far.

    1. Re:Brewed leaf green tea != matcha by yeolcoatl · · Score: 2, Informative

      The girl (Japanese, pharamcist) has the following to say:

      "[matcha] has more caffeine than [sencha]. [matcha] is 32mg/100ml, [sencha] is 20mg/100ml,"

      For some reason, slashdot preview doesn't seem to like unicode.

  36. Actually, FP, but this article is GAY. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    As in, WHO FRICKIN CARES?? OOh, caffeine, we are nerds and somehow are linked to caffeine, so this is SO NEAT. WOW!! Morons.

  37. Thanks...just what I needed.... by queenb**ch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's just something else to keep me awake and make my butt bigger....

    Now, if they can do it in a calorie-free version, I'll be impressed.

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    1. Re:Thanks...just what I needed.... by thc69 · · Score: 1

      Big butts are highly underrated.

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    2. Re:Thanks...just what I needed.... by Manchot · · Score: 1

      They already do. It's called diet soda.

    3. Re:Thanks...just what I needed.... by loganrapp · · Score: 1

      Which has fewer calories but wreaks far more havoc on your GI tract.

    4. Re:Thanks...just what I needed.... by cdrdude · · Score: 1

      I like big butts and I can't deny, you other brotha's cannot lie... (Baby got back)

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    5. Re:Thanks...just what I needed.... by Too+many+errors,+bai · · Score: 1

      A calorie-free version that breaks the laws of thermodynamics as a free bonus!

    6. Re:Thanks...just what I needed.... by thc69 · · Score: 1

      That wasn't my intention, but it did come to mind when I posted that.

      I love your Ender's Game sig.

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  38. In Soviet Russia by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    ...they're inventing toroid coffee. Draft:
                    O

  39. Coffee Cake by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    What is so new about that? Just go and visit your grandma and ask her for some her delicious coffee cake...

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  40. Pumpernickel bread? by macemoneta · · Score: 1
    I'm guessing that many people don't know that coffee is a common ingredient in pumpernickel bread

    Maybe they should have asked a baker, instead of a scientist?

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  41. AD Reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did somebody say...Wonder?!

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  42. I could see myself consuming caffeine that way... by kalpaha · · Score: 1

    But only in situations where having a cup of coffee is not plausible. I love the smell and taste of coffee too much, you can't really replace that or reduce it to a caffeine pill.

    That said, I do sometimes drink energy drinks as a replacement for coffee (for example, when driving longer trips, and leaving early). I could see some edible form of caffeine intake replacing the energy drinks: I don't like them that much, but I need my caffeine. But it would have to be something even remotely healthy and filling, I can't really imagine eating donuts first thing in the morning.

  43. Hopped up nation by iminplaya · · Score: 1

    Any more caffeine and this is what your next interview with Dick Cheney will sound like.

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  44. Best breakfast in the world by jbrader · · Score: 1

    Double breve and two caffeinated doughnuts.

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  45. what the heck is "coffee cake" anyway? by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny

    to paraphrase father guido sarducci, it's an insult to both coffee and cake!

  46. Not flamebait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Parent wouldn't be flamebait if it came with a source, since this is one of the scare tactics used in the anti-drugs moral panic of the 1930s. Racism, prohibition, fear and ignorance are all intimately linked.

  47. On my birthday, I want... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...a caffeinated birthday cake!

    1. Re:On my birthday, I want... by Ne-fishy · · Score: 1

      As if the sugar by itself wasn't bad enough.

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  48. Thanks, but no thanks... by kiberovca · · Score: 1

    I already have a high blood pressure, thank you, and am using pills to regulate it a bit. These days, I'm drinking only green tea. Eating something like these "goods" (or rather "bads" for me...) would be a death wish. Which I really really don't have. I hope that products like these will be clearly marked as containing caffeine or similar substances.

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  49. Switching the "vector" not likely to solve problem by vitality-jtw · · Score: 1

    but for those of us that just don't get the same kick from the morning cuppa that we used to, this may be another tasty delivery vector to look forward to for that jump-start

    Uhm.. if you aren't getting that "same kick" anymore, it's likely that you've built up a tolerance to caffiene. Switching from coffee to a "caffienated donut" isn't goint to help your problem at all. Either drink more coffee/caffienated bevarage or quit cold turkey for a few days then try again.

    For the a while a couple cups of joe weren't doing anything for me. I quit for a week, then was wired off of half of a cup. I'd say try that instead of this silly caffeniated food business.

  50. What about coffee? by xouumalperxe · · Score: 0

    Coffee is good, caffeine is just a side effect. But then again I pay 0.30-0.60 for a nice espresso.

  51. Several Comments by djbckr · · Score: 1

    I was one of those persons. I had had some racing heart problems for some time before my Atrial Fibrullation kicked in. The evening before I had the serious problems, I had a super-sized cup of iced-tea.

    I see one problem as the oversizing of food portions in general. I have found that we simply don't need to eat nearly as much as we do - and all the overweight people I see around me are proof of that. I eat about 1/3 what I used to eat. I desire to eat more because I love food. When I was little, I was always taught to eat what was on my plate. No more. The portions served at restaurants are ridiculous (I travel a great deal). The waitresses typically ask me if I didn't like the food. I generally do, but I only need about 1/4 to 1/3 of what they serve.

    For the purposes of this story, I don't think anybody needs caffeine. At all. Yes, it's my opinion, live with it. Since my bout with a-fib I have cut out all intake of caffiene, with the exception of a bite of chocolate (about 1/6 of a bar of chocolate at a sitting). At the beginning, this was hard. It was about a week of tourture (and frankly wasn't all that bad in the overall scheme of things). Since then, while I would like to have a drink of Dr. Pepper on occasion, I have been just fine. I don't need a pick-me-up to get me started, or get me through the day. Proper sleep and eating small portions will perk you right up. Don't forget a little exercise goes a long way.

    1. Re:Several Comments by Anonymous+McCartneyf · · Score: 1

      They sell caffiene-free Dr Pepper. Regular CF Dr Pepper comes in gold boxes or bottles. Diet CF Dr Pepper (easier to find, and one of my drinks of choice) comes in white boxes or bottles with gold lettering.

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  52. Hmm.. by TheRaider · · Score: 1

    I'm waiting for the next best thing!! Donut's flavoured coffee!

  53. Just needed to say thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    I knew there were ways to misuse caffeine I hadn't found. If I get my back/knees in order enough to do heavy lifting, I'll remember this...


    (I modded this up, but I just needed to say thanks for reinstating my belief in humanity.)


    I also think the grandparent had good attitudes to meetings.

  54. perspective by drDugan · · Score: 1

    If adopted by these large companies, it will be a liability morass.

    They are going to add an addictive stimulant into cheap, unhealthy
    food, and then sell it to the public? Sounds just peachy. Cha-CHING!

    This idea makes the fast food and the tobacco industry look a lot less evil.

    Have people gone completely insane?

  55. If you are baking your donuts... by lord+sibn · · Score: 1

    You are doing it wrong. Donuts should be fried.

  56. All of a Sudden.. by berenixium · · Score: 1

    I now have a new best friend!

  57. Visit the Korova Milkbar by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

    Visit the Korova Milkbar for your supply of Moloko Vellocet.

    It seems to me that the addition of pharmaceutical grade caffeine to food items that ordinarily have none is one step down the slippery slope toward its eventual demonization and illegality. I am surprised it didn't happen a lot sooner, considering that cola drinks are likewise "spiked" unnecessarily. I have to imagine this is an historical artifact of the Coca-Cola switch from cocaine to caffeine. The dangers are not so overt, so it was ignored for so long as to become entrenched.

    Of course, cannabis also is fairly short on dangers, but you can thank Reefer Madness and yellow journalism for that one. Opium was likewise entrenched, but the dangers of addiction and overdose have been known for almost as long.

    Mal-2

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  58. There's already a name for that... by Dr.+Cody · · Score: 1

    ..."Moloko Plus."

  59. I am the great cornholio! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You will give me your baked goods for my bunghole!

  60. Not really surprising. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    A girl I knew in my hometown OD'ed on caffeine and died. Basically the story that I got was she was taking too many pills, drinking coffee and worked herself to death.

    There sounds like there could be a lot of confounding factors at work there besides caffeine. It's not unheard of for people to "work themselves to death" due to lack of sleep and the associated immuno-compromising effects, coupled with a high-stress environment; I think the caffeine use there is probably more likely a symptom than the actual cause.

    I think the lesson here is not that the substance per se is unsafe, but that almost anything that makes it even slightly easier for people to exceed their physical capacities or ignore their body's warning signs can lead to disaster, when used improperly.

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  61. WTF? by GWBasic · · Score: 1

    WTF is this news? I occasionally mix instant coffee into my brownies for excellent results. It's even more fun when I mix instant coffee into pot brownies; wired stoners are so funny!