They know all about how it's supposed to work, but can't fix it when it breaks
Read that again and wait for it to dawn on you just how stupid you are. I'll repeat the key line.
They know all about how it's supposed to work...
And I'm tired of hackneyed old morons who try to pass their ability to bs their way through IT with bubble gum and duct tape installations while they PRETEND that its done with knowledge.
IT Certs CAN BE valuable. But the testing process allows for people with little knowledge to pass. THATs the true problem. The resentment of IT certifications comes from those who lack the ability to gain them. Period. End of discussion. Ouch, the truth hurts.
His approach when confronted with undeniable sticks-through-the-spokes of any kind of evolution was very Stallmanesque: he'd get grumpy and close the conversation.
yeah. sounds brilliant...agree with me, or I'll ignore you!!!
Benchmarks have a tendancy to prove what they are supposed to prove. The results that are gotten from benchmarks, are the results that they wanted to get.
Go figure there were no results for real Unix flavors.
The only people that I have seen with tremendous amounts of trouble getting Netware up and running, are the people who don't know what they are doing. People who don't want to know.
And guess what, those people have the same problems with NT and Linux. If you are predisposed to failing, you will. What a sad short career that guy must be having. I have seen Netware servers in Janitors closets that were forgotten about, up for several years. No one forgets their NT server because they can't, they have to revisit them far too much.
50% of internet servers?! I love how you just pull numbers out of your butt like that. And next week, Linux will have 120% of the internet server market, 98.3% of the corporate database market, 75.3% of the corporate firewall market, and 0% mindshare.
Hell, those numbers are 100% BS, but the reflect reality about as well as your numbers do.
Pointed out some great things. Novell did flood the market several years ago with CNE's who were not worth the paper the cert was printed on. They are now going through their second decertification process. Good for Novell, good for CNE's who want to continue on with Novell Products. Also, to say that the MCSE requires college level study skills, I'm not sure how to take that. I think a BS degree requires nothing more than sitting still for four years, and as an IT hiring manager, if you have a degree, don't bother sending me your resume, all your skills are useless and you are clueless. If I had a nickle for everytime I heard "that's not what professor X said, and he's brilliant. You should see what he did at the University", where reality ends and dicking around begins.. Tell me again where Linux started to gain momentum. And I have an MCSE, so I know it takes no skill what so ever to pass those tests. Actually using NT is not required to breeze through those tests. I think if you fill a testing room with 20 testing machines, and 20 monkeys, 2-3 will come out with an MCSE. I've worked with two of them, so I have to believe that there is a third out there...
I've been using myrealbox for awhile now, and its great. NIMS is a schweeet product to compare to other mail only products (SMTP, POP3, IMAP, web mail). Groupwise is actually a groupware product, like Lotus Notes. Microsoft has no compariable product, since Exchange is mail only. Novell's NIMS product scales to handle more accounts on a single box than Exchange can handle with a five server farm....
I really haven't seen a groupware product for Linux yet, unless Lotus Notes was released and I just missed it.
Also, keep in mind that putting Groupwise on Linux is a positive move for Groupwise and Novell. If it is a positive move for Linux, you can decide on your own, but I can't see how more industrial strength apps for the OS could possibly hurt it. People have cried to Novell for years for a version of Groupwise that runs as an NT service, Ziff-Davis publications seemed to ask for this everytime they did a product comparision. Would you rather that Novell developed for NT or Linux? I knew you would agree with me, that Linun could be a better groupware server than NT, and be more than it currently is...
That was funny. Some idiot, who probably has trouble spelling "computer" writes a post that a third grader would be ashamed of, and you say it is funny. Slashdot sucks.
You can ridicule Novell, NDS and Netware all you want, it doesn't change the fact that Linux is not capable of doing what Netware/NDS has been doing for 10 years. The fact that Novell has added Linux to the list of Operating Systems that NDS will support is the best news the Linux community has gotten in the last five years.
The stability and performance of Netware would be nothing but a gain for Linux. I have seen Netware boxes up and running longer than linux has existed. Simply put there is no more stable OS for the PC Server market than Netware. It's a target that Linux aspires to.
StreetTalk wasn't bad. Keep in mind the project manager on AD came from Banyan.
Also, St. Talk wasn't very much before NDS. NDS has nearly ten years on AD. The first NDS based Netware, 4.0, was release AT THE SAME TIME as Netware 3.12
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They know all about how it's supposed to work, but can't fix it when it breaks
Read that again and wait for it to dawn on you just how stupid you are. I'll repeat the key line.
They know all about how it's supposed to work...
And I'm tired of hackneyed old morons who try to pass their ability to bs their way through IT with bubble gum and duct tape installations while they PRETEND that its done with knowledge.
IT Certs CAN BE valuable. But the testing process allows for people with little knowledge to pass. THATs the true problem. The resentment of IT certifications comes from those who lack the ability to gain them. Period. End of discussion. Ouch, the truth hurts.
His approach when confronted with undeniable sticks-through-the-spokes of any kind of evolution was very Stallmanesque: he'd get grumpy and close the conversation. yeah. sounds brilliant...agree with me, or I'll ignore you!!!
Benchmarks have a tendancy to prove what they are supposed to prove. The results that are gotten from benchmarks, are the results that they wanted to get.
Go figure there were no results for real Unix flavors.
I won't argue with that...
The only people that I have seen with tremendous amounts of trouble getting Netware up and running, are the people who don't know what they are doing. People who don't want to know.
And guess what, those people have the same problems with NT and Linux. If you are predisposed to failing, you will. What a sad short career that guy must be having. I have seen Netware servers in Janitors closets that were forgotten about, up for several years. No one forgets their NT server because they can't, they have to revisit them far too much.
50% of internet servers?! I love how you just pull numbers out of your butt like that. And next week, Linux will have 120% of the internet server market, 98.3% of the corporate database market, 75.3% of the corporate firewall market, and 0% mindshare.
Hell, those numbers are 100% BS, but the reflect reality about as well as your numbers do.
chump
Pointed out some great things. Novell did flood the market several years ago with CNE's who were not worth the paper the cert was printed on. They are now going through their second decertification process. Good for Novell, good for CNE's who want to continue on with Novell Products. Also, to say that the MCSE requires college level study skills, I'm not sure how to take that. I think a BS degree requires nothing more than sitting still for four years, and as an IT hiring manager, if you have a degree, don't bother sending me your resume, all your skills are useless and you are clueless. If I had a nickle for everytime I heard "that's not what professor X said, and he's brilliant. You should see what he did at the University", where reality ends and dicking around begins.. Tell me again where Linux started to gain momentum. And I have an MCSE, so I know it takes no skill what so ever to pass those tests. Actually using NT is not required to breeze through those tests. I think if you fill a testing room with 20 testing machines, and 20 monkeys, 2-3 will come out with an MCSE. I've worked with two of them, so I have to believe that there is a third out there...
I've been using myrealbox for awhile now, and its great. NIMS is a schweeet product to compare to other mail only products (SMTP, POP3, IMAP, web mail). Groupwise is actually a groupware product, like Lotus Notes. Microsoft has no compariable product, since Exchange is mail only. Novell's NIMS product scales to handle more accounts on a single box than Exchange can handle with a five server farm....
I really haven't seen a groupware product for Linux yet, unless Lotus Notes was released and I just missed it.
Also, keep in mind that putting Groupwise on Linux is a positive move for Groupwise and Novell. If it is a positive move for Linux, you can decide on your own, but I can't see how more industrial strength apps for the OS could possibly hurt it. People have cried to Novell for years for a version of Groupwise that runs as an NT service, Ziff-Davis publications seemed to ask for this everytime they did a product comparision. Would you rather that Novell developed for NT or Linux? I knew you would agree with me, that Linun could be a better groupware server than NT, and be more than it currently is...
That was funny. Some idiot, who probably has trouble spelling "computer" writes a post that a third grader would be ashamed of, and you say it is funny. Slashdot sucks.
You can ridicule Novell, NDS and Netware all you want, it doesn't change the fact that Linux is not capable of doing what Netware/NDS has been doing for 10 years. The fact that Novell has added Linux to the list of Operating Systems that NDS will support is the best news the Linux community has gotten in the last five years.
The stability and performance of Netware would be nothing but a gain for Linux. I have seen Netware boxes up and running longer than linux has existed. Simply put there is no more stable OS for the PC Server market than Netware. It's a target that Linux aspires to.
I am doing the same thing at home with Netware 5, since Cox cable modem service sucks so hard.
In all fairness I could do the same thing with an NT box, just not as easy.
StreetTalk wasn't bad. Keep in mind the project manager on AD came from Banyan.
Also, St. Talk wasn't very much before NDS. NDS has nearly ten years on AD. The first NDS based Netware, 4.0, was release AT THE SAME TIME as Netware 3.12
Go figure....