I think that the way you state it is oxymoronic. That said, selling open source software is also pretty nutty too.
The funny thing is that people who have thier own reasons for keeping thier software proprietary still want to take advantage of the oss development model, within thier own organization.
One customer (who I think we are announcing next week, but I might be wrong, so mums the word on their name) has something like 4000 programmers internally, all of them in thier own groups, often using different version control/progrect management/bug tracking etc. Want to bet that they are repeating work all the time? Anyhow, this company saw the way things were done in OSS and said, hey that's pretty good. So...tehre you go...a closedd open soruce community.
Actually, you are not right on this at all, VA cannot take the rwork of the community donated under the GPL and repackge it as closed source. The GPL doesn't allow for that. Also, keep in mind that the GPL version still exists. I think you can still apt-get the site under debian.
That said, VA is makeing propietary the things (mostly) that tie into proprietary software. Things like rational and the rest.
So they didn't phase out the tandems, they just appended the name compaq to them. They still run mips and they still run tandems os. When they bought tandem, they did screw it up, but the architecture of the tandems wasn't changes. See Here for more info on the s-series, runnign mips 12000 processors.
Gerhardt S. did in fact say he wanted to move the himalaya to the alpha, but lacked the proper focus inside the company to accomplish that. The tandem os is very very cleverly designed, as is the hardware, but not trivial to port to new architectures. The tandem processor to mips conversion took years of development, and the conservative nature of tandems customer base meant that only in the late 90's did most customers upgrade.
I could go on forever about the acquisition of tandem and compaq, how compaq under Schroeder screwed up the culture, engineering and drove gobs of key engineers into the waiting arms of the.coms, but I won't. So, yes, the tandem acquisition was screwed up, btu no, the hardware wasn't molested.
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Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Co-Editor, Open Sources
It was a very hostile environment for a digital camera, I assure you. For one, a lot of these people didn't want thier stuff photographed, for two, plexiglass in front of all of the equipment made it impossible to use a flash. Three, lights from displays and the conference hall made a lot of pictures impossible. Four, I didn't want to lug around my tripod as I knew I'd have shitloads of promo material (which I did). --
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Co-Editor, Open Sources
Re:Not the same 'Borg Queen'
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She may not have played inthe earlier episode, but she did in this one. --
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Co-Editor, Open Sources
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Oh, I didn't know that. Still, I think that the 70k = 75 year travel time is incorrect. Correct me though if I am wrong.
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Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Co-Editor, Open Sources
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I don't remember exactly which one, but the reason was that any warp travel and exceptionally high speed travel especially, caused irreperable harm to the fabric of space time, and the federation decided to limit the speed starships could cruise at the warp 5 or something. I'm sure somoene reading about this knows a bunch more than I do about this.
Chris --
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Co-Editor, Open Sources
Will everyone just chill. Isn't this just silly?
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So my thought when seeing the mundie stuff is basically:
Why are we wasting yet more time on this guy and his company? I mean, why bother debate MS when they aren't going to win in the end? Yes, I understand the marketing value of such a debate, but really, Linux and open source will benefit more from poeple coding and not responding to petulant children like mundie et al.
Chris DiBona
Grant Chair, Linux International
OSDN
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Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Co-Editor, Open Sources
While it's not appropriate for me to comment on too many things, I wanted to address concerns about SourceForge.net and SourceForge onsite (SFOS). So basically, during the , uh, shuffle, VA has had to decide where people will be cut and which areas of thebusiness will be concentrated on.
One of those areas is SourceForge and it's sister group, SFOS. SF and SFOS is super important to the future of VA from a bunch of angles. Dan Bressler, the product manager will be posting a reply to this note giving a brain dump on what's going on within. In short, SF has headcount and budget and we are looking to add staff on both teams. So that's the short post. Dan will post a more in depth piece. I wanted to get a place holder in for those who care about SF.
I'll answer other questions if I can, but for many questions, the answer can only legitimately be given by Pat Fossenier, our investor relations person.
Chris DiBona
Linux Community Evangelist, VA Linux Systems
Hi, I have to say the best audio purchase I ever made were for my B&W Matrix 802 (mkII) speakers. The second best were thier predecessor on my system, the 805s (bookshelf model). Man, I can only rave about these guys.
Chris DiBona --
Grant Chair, Linux Int. Pres, SVLUG
I am probably not the only person who found it interesting that maps, by banning an IP because of a company selling software to spam, is the moral equivalent to the MPAA suing and taking down sites that host DeCSS. Do we go after the tools to do "bad things" or do we go after those who do the "bad things".
Now, spamming software is sick messed up crap, but if we subscribe to maps, then are we as bad as Jack Valenti and his pals in the entertainment industry?
One thing to keep in mind, if you are a large company and are willing to cut down when asked, or even cut to generators in time of extreme need, you get a better price for your power.
NIMBY or not, according to the local puc , or wahtever they are calling themselves under deregulation, the extra load that christmas lights represent equals 1000MW, so in fact on 500MW plant will power only about half the xmas lights here in northern california. That is why they've asked people to hold off till 7pm to turn em on.
These sorts of austerity measures aren't anything new to California, as anyone who's visited during drought years can attest.
That said, is it really that important that Las Vegas uses so many damn lights during the power crunch?
Bah Humbug....
Chris DiBona --
Grant Chair, Linux Int. Pres, SVLUG
If you ask anyone from the apache foundation the first thing they will tell you is that they never wrote apache with performance in mind, and while I don't speak for them, they say over and over it's for them about configurabiliy, reliability and standards compliance.
That said,if IIS is faster than Apache, which wouldn't surprise me all that much, it will not be -that- much faster, even serving basic static pages.
But answer me this, what is the pages served per minute from a machine that crashes at least once a day under any real load. Figure at least an hour to bring it back up an do post mortum.
Also, what does the inability of a sys admin to ssh into a box and do maintaince do to reliability?
That said, if you want out of hand performance for static pages, you can check out khttpd and such. I'm sure it would blow the doors off of static serving from windows. Course, in the end, static serving isn't all that challenging.
So I did something I am constantly getting annoyed at, I didn't read close enough the KB article, I submitted the story with the understanding that outlook 2000 was defaulting to not sending plain text at all, when in fact it does send it as part of the larger message.
That said....I don't consider sending messages fully enclosed within attachments as being standrads compliant and It was my understanding that OL2000 sent the plain text as a tnef attachment. If not, my bad!
I've been thinking about this, and I have a lot to say about this and not alot of time right now, find me at ALS or something and we can chit chat about it.
The argument that VA will continue to be very good to the developer community and sites like k5 because of the profit motive can definately made and I can make it, but luckily that's only part of why we do it, we also feel that to not do it would be exploitative of the very community VA employees rose out of (or have subsequently been brought into).
Of course giving out hardware and the rest has the effect of generating a lot of goodwill, which is good, and makes recruiting a lot easier, which is also good. Any company that doesn't pay attention to it's user and developer base is foolish. In OSS it's simply criminal.
That said, we're never going to please everyone, but it's working out so far pretty well.
I don't know that that really addreses what you are asking,but it;s a long discussion.
When K5 went down a lot of people came to my cube here at work and were just apoplectic. I realized thier downtime really wasn't hardware related, but I figuered that some nice hardware would mean that k5 would be able to avoid certain performance issues endemic with fast growing sites. And they are well liked here in sunnyvale.
Also, while k5's issue were ddos related, having the extra processing power could mean the difference next time in setting up cpu intensive network rules.
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The funny thing is that people who have thier own reasons for keeping thier software proprietary still want to take advantage of the oss development model, within thier own organization.
One customer (who I think we are announcing next week, but I might be wrong, so mums the word on their name) has something like 4000 programmers internally, all of them in thier own groups, often using different version control/progrect management/bug tracking etc. Want to bet that they are repeating work all the time? Anyhow, this company saw the way things were done in OSS and said, hey that's pretty good. So...tehre you go...a closedd open soruce community.
Strange world...indeed.
Chris DiBona
(Speaking for VA)
That said, VA is makeing propietary the things (mostly) that tie into proprietary software. Things like rational and the rest.
Chris DiBona
(Speaking for VA)
So they didn't phase out the tandems, they just appended the name compaq to them. They still run mips and they still run tandems os. When they bought tandem, they did screw it up, but the architecture of the tandems wasn't changes. See Here for more info on the s-series, runnign mips 12000 processors.
Gerhardt S. did in fact say he wanted to move the himalaya to the alpha, but lacked the proper focus inside the company to accomplish that. The tandem os is very very cleverly designed, as is the hardware, but not trivial to port to new architectures. The tandem processor to mips conversion took years of development, and the conservative nature of tandems customer base meant that only in the late 90's did most customers upgrade.
I could go on forever about the acquisition of tandem and compaq, how compaq under Schroeder screwed up the culture, engineering and drove gobs of key engineers into the waiting arms of the .coms, but I won't. So, yes, the tandem acquisition was screwed up, btu no, the hardware wasn't molested.
Chris DiBona
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Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Co-Editor, Open Sources
Chris
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Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Co-Editor, Open Sources
It was a very hostile environment for a digital camera, I assure you. For one, a lot of these people didn't want thier stuff photographed, for two, plexiglass in front of all of the equipment made it impossible to use a flash. Three, lights from displays and the conference hall made a lot of pictures impossible. Four, I didn't want to lug around my tripod as I knew I'd have shitloads of promo material (which I did).
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Co-Editor, Open Sources
She may not have played inthe earlier episode, but she did in this one.
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Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Co-Editor, Open Sources
Chris
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Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Co-Editor, Open Sources
Chris
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Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Co-Editor, Open Sources
Why are we wasting yet more time on this guy and his company? I mean, why bother debate MS when they aren't going to win in the end? Yes, I understand the marketing value of such a debate, but really, Linux and open source will benefit more from poeple coding and not responding to petulant children like mundie et al.
Chris DiBona
Grant Chair, Linux International
OSDN
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Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Co-Editor, Open Sources
Chris DiBona
OSDN Events
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Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Chris DiBona
OSDN Events
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Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
While it's not appropriate for me to comment on too many things, I wanted to address concerns about SourceForge.net and SourceForge onsite (SFOS). So basically, during the , uh, shuffle, VA has had to decide where people will be cut and which areas of thebusiness will be concentrated on.
One of those areas is SourceForge and it's sister group, SFOS. SF and SFOS is super important to the future of VA from a bunch of angles. Dan Bressler, the product manager will be posting a reply to this note giving a brain dump on what's going on within. In short, SF has headcount and budget and we are looking to add staff on both teams. So that's the short post. Dan will post a more in depth piece. I wanted to get a place holder in for those who care about SF.
I'll answer other questions if I can, but for many questions, the answer can only legitimately be given by Pat Fossenier, our investor relations person.
Chris DiBona
Linux Community Evangelist, VA Linux Systems
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Chris DiBona
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Now, spamming software is sick messed up crap, but if we subscribe to maps, then are we as bad as Jack Valenti and his pals in the entertainment industry?
Chris DiBona
VA Linux Systems
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Chris DiBona
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
These sorts of austerity measures aren't anything new to California, as anyone who's visited during drought years can attest.
That said, is it really that important that Las Vegas uses so many damn lights during the power crunch?
Bah Humbug....
Chris DiBona
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Course, if he does track me down now, I don't think I'd be very kind to him or her.
I personally think it's a red herring though.
Chris DiBona
VA Linux Systems
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
That said,if IIS is faster than Apache, which wouldn't surprise me all that much, it will not be -that- much faster, even serving basic static pages.
But answer me this, what is the pages served per minute from a machine that crashes at least once a day under any real load. Figure at least an hour to bring it back up an do post mortum.
Also, what does the inability of a sys admin to ssh into a box and do maintaince do to reliability?
That said, if you want out of hand performance for static pages, you can check out khttpd and such. I'm sure it would blow the doors off of static serving from windows. Course, in the end, static serving isn't all that challenging.
Chris DiBona
VA Linux Systems
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
That said....I don't consider sending messages fully enclosed within attachments as being standrads compliant and It was my understanding that OL2000 sent the plain text as a tnef attachment. If not, my bad!
Chris DiBona
VA Linux Systems
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
This about ol2000, not express.
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Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Chris DiBona
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Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Chris DiBona
VA Linux Systems
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Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Chris
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Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
The argument that VA will continue to be very good to the developer community and sites like k5 because of the profit motive can definately made and I can make it, but luckily that's only part of why we do it, we also feel that to not do it would be exploitative of the very community VA employees rose out of (or have subsequently been brought into).
Of course giving out hardware and the rest has the effect of generating a lot of goodwill, which is good, and makes recruiting a lot easier, which is also good. Any company that doesn't pay attention to it's user and developer base is foolish. In OSS it's simply criminal.
That said, we're never going to please everyone, but it's working out so far pretty well.
I don't know that that really addreses what you are asking ,but it;s a long discussion.
Chris DiBona
VA Linux Systems
Chris
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Also, while k5's issue were ddos related, having the extra processing power could mean the difference next time in setting up cpu intensive network rules.
Chris DiBona
VA Linux Systems
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Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG