I sure as fuck hope I don't live long enough to have to endure your 'utopian' world where we're all little more than machines 'interfacing' with other machines instead of human beings interacting and socializing with other human beings, sounds too austere, isolating, depressing-as-fuck, and literally no fun at all to live in. If I want to be alone I'll stay home with the blinds drawn and the ringer on the phone turned off with my nose in a book. If I go outside the house to eat a meal I want to see and talk to and interact with living people, not more machines, and I maintain that your 'robotic chef' or whatever you want to call it is only ever going to be capable of making mediocre food that I could better prepare for myself at home for much less money and hassle so why would I even bother? You'd ruin the entire idea of eating out for 99% of everyone.
There is no reason to EXPECT a 'very tasty dish' from a machine. Do you not understand that the recipe is only a small part of the equation? I get the impression just from this that you don't know how to cook yourself and therefore don't understand that it's much more than just following a 'program'.
Cyber-Vandal, you need to watch a movie called Idiocracy, it's the world we'd end up with if people didn't have any real purpose in life. Maybe a single-digit percentage would do as you suggest; the rest would fritter away their lives doing nothing of value to anyone, getting fat, weak, sickly, dumb in the head, and/or getting into one kind of trouble or another. Humans need something to fight for, and when there's nothing to fight for, we wither away and die.
Make? They're getting paid, and I usually tip well. And yes I talk to them, that's part of the whole point. If I want to be isolated then, again, I stay home and make my own food and save money. Eating out is a social experience. With just machines? Shit-quality food, and you're isolated. May as well stay home, then. You're welcome to be a shut-in if you like but I pity you. Do you have real friends, you see in person? Or are all your 'friends' on Facebook and the rest o the Internet, and you shun all human contact? On Slashdot I wouldn't be surprised.
I don't want a world where all there is, is 'automation' and 'driverless-this' and 'robotic-that'. That's a sad, depressing world, and I feel sorry for anyone who thinks that's some sort of utopia. The more isolated people are from each other, the less they're able to relate to each other, the less well they can communicate with each other, the more problems we'll actually have in the world. Human brains are not wired to be isolated, we're social animals by nature, and going out of your way to be anti-social just causes problems.
And food untouched by human hands is probably healthier anyway, especially in a public setting. If you want a servant, bring your own
Phweeeeeeee! Penalty on the play! Ten yards for flagrant trolling!
If not: Enjoy your contaminated food from some machine that wasn't ever properly cleaned for a month, because there's no PEOPLE around to check things for cleanliness. Also you must have no taste in food to start with.
Menus will be replaced with touchscreens. All orders will be automated. Replace a waitstaff of 15 will a serving staff of 3.
I had the misfortune to eat at an Applebee's not too long ago (food sucks). They had this. I insisted on a human waiter to take my order. Why? I have questions. I often would like something prepared a certain way, that's well within their ability to do (well, so long as it's not Mister Roboto, who isn't programmed for it, LOL). Your touchscreen ordering won't do any of that for me. Your idea is more suited to shitty fast-food where you don't get options, you get what you get (which is why I don't eat fast-food). The closest I come to that is Chipotle, and that really can't be automated, because I definitely have a specific way I want them assembling things for me there. Nope, if I eat out I want humans dealing with it, not machines.
What if fast and cheap was better than slow and expensive
LOL, that's not going to happen. Of just about any sort of regular business restaurants have the LOWEST profit margin. The owner isn't going to spend more on ingredients just because he has no human staff, he will spend the SAME or LESS to improve his profits.
Also so many of you aren't paying attention to the cost of the automation/robots. They won't be cheap, because there is money to be made! They'll more likely lease them and in the end the cost will likely be at least as much as paying a human to do the same work because they can get away with charging that much. Also they'll make the end-users pay maintenance costs, or roll it into the lease payments.
Seriously all you people who think that 'automated this' and 'robotic that' is going to solve all the world's problems make me laugh. None of that is going to solve any problems, it will just cause MORE problems because there will still be >=7,000,000,000 people in the world. You want fewer problems? Get rid of 90% of the humans on the planet. You'll get rid of 90% of the world's problems at the same time. LOL all we need is 7 billion bored-as-fuck people milling around the planet with nothing productive to occupy their too-smart-for-their-own-good brains, getting into trouble.
..and you're absolutely right. People do need a purpose, and without something productive like work, they tend to do destructive things as often as not. There is an old saying: "Idle hands are the devils' playthings", and it's 100% correct. Bored people end up doing stupid and destructive things (not ALL people, but enough for it to be an issue). If we lived in some so-called 'utopia' where nobody had to work and machines did every needful thing, we'd have utter chaos, as the billions found themselves bored stiff and getting into trouble.
Oh gee I'm sorry I didn't realize that they don't just have an open fire in the kitchen and are using sticks and rocks to prepare my food. There is a difference between 'a human using some kitchen machinery/gadgetry to prepare a meal' and 'a completely robotic kitchen preparing food without any human oversight/intervention', which is what I don't want. Again: If I go out to a sit-down restaurant, I want human chefs/cooks/servers, not robots or 'automation'. If that's all I'm going to get going out then I'll stay home and make my own food, otherwise it's not worth the money.
I don't go out to eat at a sit-down restaurant to save money, I do it because I don't feel like cooking, or don't feel like eating something fast and cheap (and lower quality), or just to treat myself to something I normally wouldn't eat. If I want to save money then I stay home and cook for myself.
I don't know about anyone else, but if I go to a real sit-down restaurant, I want an actual human server, not a robot or some other form of 'automation', and I sure as heck don't want a robot or some automation preparing my food, either. If that was my only other choice then I'd just as soon stay home and cook my own food.
No, you're giving sociopathic assholes a bad rap with that, believe it or not, because you're lumping them in with a garden-variety 4chan/b/-level troll.
Heh, 'Tay' indeed. I think Taylor Swift, who is routinely referred to as 'Tay-tay', should sue the living daylights out of Microsoft for that debacle, as damaging to her reputation and to her personal brand.
For the Average Joe, Microsoft "forcing updates" onto their machine might actually be beneficial
The operative word there is 'FORCING'.
Also your 'average Joes', 'couldn't care less', because they don't know any better. They don't understand what's being done. If a crook is stealing from people who don't even know something is being stolen from them, does that make it any less of a crime? Rhetorical question, because a crime is a crime. Microsoft is making choices for people and taking data from people who (assuming your 'Average Joes' again) don't understand or even know what's being done. It's still not right. YES, this is as much a philosophical discussion as it is a practical (or perhaps LEGAL) one, but that doesn't mean it doesn't matter. And before you or anyone else says that I or any of the other so-called 'vocal minority' are as bad as Microsoft so far as making choices for people: Who has the responsibility to look out for the interests of people who are being taken advantage of, who neither understand what's being done, let alone have the ability to look out for themselves? I have the technical knowledge, awareness, and expertise to make my own informed choices in this matter; I have NOTHING to gain from trying to inform and guide others away from things I believe are unfair to them and harmful, other than the satisfaction of knowing I've done it, and you can scoff at that and call me a 'white knight' all you want, and it changes nothing about me, my intentions, or my actions in this matter. I believe what Microsoft is doing is WRONG, I believe that there are many, many others out there who have no idea they're being taken advantage, and I believe that it is in everyone's long-term best interests that what Microsoft is doing should be revealed and explained to all, and that it should have a stop put to it.
You can now go right ahead and tell me I didn't listen to a thing you said. You'll be wrong, of course. I just don't agree and have just re-affirmed my beliefs and mission statement. Microsoft needs to be STOPPED.
As if flesh Internet trolls aren't bad enough, now dickhead Microsoft is going to help flood the Internet with it's stupid-ass troll-bots, too. Just fucking great.
I'll be honest with you: If they weren't actively installing spyware along with their gods-be-damned OS, I'd probably just scratch my head at the rest of their antics and move on. But that's what they're doing: They're actively spying on users, taking control of their computers, forcing updates, and generally disregarding the private ownership rights of end users. THAT IS THE PROBLEM: Taking away CHOICE. I don't CARE what their reasons are, I don't want anyone taking away my right to choose. Luckily I have choice, still: I can run something other than Windows. Of course the news we see lately also points towards Microsoft infiltrating the FOSS community to annex and subvert Linux as well. Microsoft wants to own ALL computers and have NO other choices that they don't directly control. THEY CAN GO TO HELL. I'd rather have NO computing devices at ALL than have anything forced on me.
Really? And all the people who didn't want it and managed to dodge it, but had 'telemetry' patches slipped in on them should be OK with that, too? Bull-fucking-shit.
I see.. so if a con-man tricks you into giving him all your money, it's your fault? If a kid walks up to a van parked on the street that has 'FREE CANDY' painted on the side, and he gets kidnapped and molested, it's the kids' fault it happened? A woman out for the evening gets attacked and raped, and it's her fault for 'dressing like a whore' or whatever half-assed reason you might give? Are we embracing victim shaming now? Is that what's going on here?
I am Satya Nadella of the Microsoft. Your computer will be assimilated. We will erase your biological and technological distinctiveness and impose our own. Your computer will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.
No kidding. To call this the 'fastest adoption of any release ever' is about as valid (and laughable) as some authoritarian dictatorship holding 'free elections' where there's only one candidate, and you're detained if you don't go and vote for him, then claiming a 'landslide victory' with 'record voter turnout'. It's a sham, it's a joke, it's a complete fabrication, it's utter bullshit, and it means NOTHING.
Can someone please find (if it exists) the REAL number, that doesn't count the copies of Win10 that were FORCED on people, who didn't ask for it or wanted it?
You are under the mistaken impression that the OS is for fashion
What are you talking about? The 'impression' I'm getting is about as clear as getting smashed in the face with a shovel: Microsoft wants to subvert Linux and twist it into just some other part of Windows so they can control that too. They can get fucked. The more I hear from Microsoft these days the more urgent my need to dump it off my computers at home (which are still running XP by the way) and put some, ANY, version of Linux on them instead, and get away from Microsoft and their authoritarian dictatorial bullshit forever. Die, die, die, Microsoft.
I tried to tell you but you didn't listen! Microsoft is getting involved in things like FOSS and Linux so they can subvert it.. just like they're doing here. Why the actual FUCK would you even do what they're offering here instead of just running Ubuntu instead? So you can still be spied on by Microsoft even using some pseudo-Linux OS-on-Microsoft's-leash? This makes ZERO sense.
The findings, from a poll of at least 1,000 people hand-picked by the respective governments in each of 24 countries, come as policymakers and technology companies argue over whether digital privacy should be curbed to help regulators and law enforcement more easily thwart hackers, identify malcontents, whistle-blowers, criticizers of governments and government leaders/officials, 'undesirables', and other digital threats.
Emphasis mine, of course The U.S. is far from being the only country in the world that has a problem with nosy government and 'law enforcement' (more like 'will enforcement' in some cases, to be honest). We're just (still, for the moment) allowed to actually talk about it (without [much] fear of being made to disappear).
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I sure as fuck hope I don't live long enough to have to endure your 'utopian' world where we're all little more than machines 'interfacing' with other machines instead of human beings interacting and socializing with other human beings, sounds too austere, isolating, depressing-as-fuck, and literally no fun at all to live in. If I want to be alone I'll stay home with the blinds drawn and the ringer on the phone turned off with my nose in a book. If I go outside the house to eat a meal I want to see and talk to and interact with living people, not more machines, and I maintain that your 'robotic chef' or whatever you want to call it is only ever going to be capable of making mediocre food that I could better prepare for myself at home for much less money and hassle so why would I even bother? You'd ruin the entire idea of eating out for 99% of everyone.
There is no reason to EXPECT a 'very tasty dish' from a machine. Do you not understand that the recipe is only a small part of the equation? I get the impression just from this that you don't know how to cook yourself and therefore don't understand that it's much more than just following a 'program'.
Cyber-Vandal, you need to watch a movie called Idiocracy, it's the world we'd end up with if people didn't have any real purpose in life. Maybe a single-digit percentage would do as you suggest; the rest would fritter away their lives doing nothing of value to anyone, getting fat, weak, sickly, dumb in the head, and/or getting into one kind of trouble or another. Humans need something to fight for, and when there's nothing to fight for, we wither away and die.
I would be happier to not make a human serve me
Make? They're getting paid, and I usually tip well. And yes I talk to them, that's part of the whole point. If I want to be isolated then, again, I stay home and make my own food and save money. Eating out is a social experience. With just machines? Shit-quality food, and you're isolated. May as well stay home, then. You're welcome to be a shut-in if you like but I pity you. Do you have real friends, you see in person? Or are all your 'friends' on Facebook and the rest o the Internet, and you shun all human contact? On Slashdot I wouldn't be surprised.
I don't want a world where all there is, is 'automation' and 'driverless-this' and 'robotic-that'. That's a sad, depressing world, and I feel sorry for anyone who thinks that's some sort of utopia. The more isolated people are from each other, the less they're able to relate to each other, the less well they can communicate with each other, the more problems we'll actually have in the world. Human brains are not wired to be isolated, we're social animals by nature, and going out of your way to be anti-social just causes problems.
And food untouched by human hands is probably healthier anyway, especially in a public setting. If you want a servant, bring your own
Phweeeeeeee! Penalty on the play! Ten yards for flagrant trolling!
If not: Enjoy your contaminated food from some machine that wasn't ever properly cleaned for a month, because there's no PEOPLE around to check things for cleanliness. Also you must have no taste in food to start with.
Menus will be replaced with touchscreens. All orders will be automated. Replace a waitstaff of 15 will a serving staff of 3.
I had the misfortune to eat at an Applebee's not too long ago (food sucks). They had this. I insisted on a human waiter to take my order. Why? I have questions. I often would like something prepared a certain way, that's well within their ability to do (well, so long as it's not Mister Roboto, who isn't programmed for it, LOL). Your touchscreen ordering won't do any of that for me. Your idea is more suited to shitty fast-food where you don't get options, you get what you get (which is why I don't eat fast-food). The closest I come to that is Chipotle, and that really can't be automated, because I definitely have a specific way I want them assembling things for me there. Nope, if I eat out I want humans dealing with it, not machines.
What if fast and cheap was better than slow and expensive
LOL, that's not going to happen. Of just about any sort of regular business restaurants have the LOWEST profit margin. The owner isn't going to spend more on ingredients just because he has no human staff, he will spend the SAME or LESS to improve his profits.
Also so many of you aren't paying attention to the cost of the automation/robots. They won't be cheap, because there is money to be made! They'll more likely lease them and in the end the cost will likely be at least as much as paying a human to do the same work because they can get away with charging that much. Also they'll make the end-users pay maintenance costs, or roll it into the lease payments.
Seriously all you people who think that 'automated this' and 'robotic that' is going to solve all the world's problems make me laugh. None of that is going to solve any problems, it will just cause MORE problems because there will still be >=7,000,000,000 people in the world. You want fewer problems? Get rid of 90% of the humans on the planet. You'll get rid of 90% of the world's problems at the same time. LOL all we need is 7 billion bored-as-fuck people milling around the planet with nothing productive to occupy their too-smart-for-their-own-good brains, getting into trouble.
..and you're absolutely right. People do need a purpose, and without something productive like work, they tend to do destructive things as often as not. There is an old saying: "Idle hands are the devils' playthings", and it's 100% correct. Bored people end up doing stupid and destructive things (not ALL people, but enough for it to be an issue). If we lived in some so-called 'utopia' where nobody had to work and machines did every needful thing, we'd have utter chaos, as the billions found themselves bored stiff and getting into trouble.
Oh gee I'm sorry I didn't realize that they don't just have an open fire in the kitchen and are using sticks and rocks to prepare my food. There is a difference between 'a human using some kitchen machinery/gadgetry to prepare a meal' and 'a completely robotic kitchen preparing food without any human oversight/intervention', which is what I don't want. Again: If I go out to a sit-down restaurant, I want human chefs/cooks/servers, not robots or 'automation'. If that's all I'm going to get going out then I'll stay home and make my own food, otherwise it's not worth the money.
I don't go out to eat at a sit-down restaurant to save money, I do it because I don't feel like cooking, or don't feel like eating something fast and cheap (and lower quality), or just to treat myself to something I normally wouldn't eat. If I want to save money then I stay home and cook for myself.
I don't know about anyone else, but if I go to a real sit-down restaurant, I want an actual human server, not a robot or some other form of 'automation', and I sure as heck don't want a robot or some automation preparing my food, either. If that was my only other choice then I'd just as soon stay home and cook my own food.
Apple probably already knows, or could know in a day or less, and in either case the next version of the iPhone will probably be made immune to it.
No, you're giving sociopathic assholes a bad rap with that, believe it or not, because you're lumping them in with a garden-variety 4chan/b/-level troll.
Heh, 'Tay' indeed. I think Taylor Swift, who is routinely referred to as 'Tay-tay', should sue the living daylights out of Microsoft for that debacle, as damaging to her reputation and to her personal brand.
For the Average Joe, Microsoft "forcing updates" onto their machine might actually be beneficial
The operative word there is 'FORCING'.
Also your 'average Joes', 'couldn't care less', because they don't know any better. They don't understand what's being done. If a crook is stealing from people who don't even know something is being stolen from them, does that make it any less of a crime? Rhetorical question, because a crime is a crime. Microsoft is making choices for people and taking data from people who (assuming your 'Average Joes' again) don't understand or even know what's being done. It's still not right. YES, this is as much a philosophical discussion as it is a practical (or perhaps LEGAL) one, but that doesn't mean it doesn't matter. And before you or anyone else says that I or any of the other so-called 'vocal minority' are as bad as Microsoft so far as making choices for people: Who has the responsibility to look out for the interests of people who are being taken advantage of, who neither understand what's being done, let alone have the ability to look out for themselves? I have the technical knowledge, awareness, and expertise to make my own informed choices in this matter; I have NOTHING to gain from trying to inform and guide others away from things I believe are unfair to them and harmful, other than the satisfaction of knowing I've done it, and you can scoff at that and call me a 'white knight' all you want, and it changes nothing about me, my intentions, or my actions in this matter. I believe what Microsoft is doing is WRONG, I believe that there are many, many others out there who have no idea they're being taken advantage, and I believe that it is in everyone's long-term best interests that what Microsoft is doing should be revealed and explained to all, and that it should have a stop put to it.
You can now go right ahead and tell me I didn't listen to a thing you said. You'll be wrong, of course. I just don't agree and have just re-affirmed my beliefs and mission statement. Microsoft needs to be STOPPED.
As if flesh Internet trolls aren't bad enough, now dickhead Microsoft is going to help flood the Internet with it's stupid-ass troll-bots, too. Just fucking great.
I'll be honest with you: If they weren't actively installing spyware along with their gods-be-damned OS, I'd probably just scratch my head at the rest of their antics and move on. But that's what they're doing: They're actively spying on users, taking control of their computers, forcing updates, and generally disregarding the private ownership rights of end users. THAT IS THE PROBLEM: Taking away CHOICE. I don't CARE what their reasons are, I don't want anyone taking away my right to choose. Luckily I have choice, still: I can run something other than Windows. Of course the news we see lately also points towards Microsoft infiltrating the FOSS community to annex and subvert Linux as well. Microsoft wants to own ALL computers and have NO other choices that they don't directly control. THEY CAN GO TO HELL. I'd rather have NO computing devices at ALL than have anything forced on me.
Really? And all the people who didn't want it and managed to dodge it, but had 'telemetry' patches slipped in on them should be OK with that, too? Bull-fucking-shit.
I see.. so if a con-man tricks you into giving him all your money, it's your fault? If a kid walks up to a van parked on the street that has 'FREE CANDY' painted on the side, and he gets kidnapped and molested, it's the kids' fault it happened? A woman out for the evening gets attacked and raped, and it's her fault for 'dressing like a whore' or whatever half-assed reason you might give? Are we embracing victim shaming now? Is that what's going on here?
I am Satya Nadella of the Microsoft. Your computer will be assimilated. We will erase your biological and technological distinctiveness and impose our own. Your computer will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.
No kidding. To call this the 'fastest adoption of any release ever' is about as valid (and laughable) as some authoritarian dictatorship holding 'free elections' where there's only one candidate, and you're detained if you don't go and vote for him, then claiming a 'landslide victory' with 'record voter turnout'. It's a sham, it's a joke, it's a complete fabrication, it's utter bullshit, and it means NOTHING.
Can someone please find (if it exists) the REAL number, that doesn't count the copies of Win10 that were FORCED on people, who didn't ask for it or wanted it?
You are under the mistaken impression that the OS is for fashion
What are you talking about? The 'impression' I'm getting is about as clear as getting smashed in the face with a shovel: Microsoft wants to subvert Linux and twist it into just some other part of Windows so they can control that too. They can get fucked. The more I hear from Microsoft these days the more urgent my need to dump it off my computers at home (which are still running XP by the way) and put some, ANY, version of Linux on them instead, and get away from Microsoft and their authoritarian dictatorial bullshit forever. Die, die, die, Microsoft.
I tried to tell you but you didn't listen! Microsoft is getting involved in things like FOSS and Linux so they can subvert it.. just like they're doing here. Why the actual FUCK would you even do what they're offering here instead of just running Ubuntu instead? So you can still be spied on by Microsoft even using some pseudo-Linux OS-on-Microsoft's-leash? This makes ZERO sense.
The findings, from a poll of at least 1,000 people hand-picked by the respective governments in each of 24 countries, come as policymakers and technology companies argue over whether digital privacy should be curbed to help regulators and law enforcement more easily thwart hackers, identify malcontents, whistle-blowers, criticizers of governments and government leaders/officials, 'undesirables', and other digital threats.
Emphasis mine, of course
The U.S. is far from being the only country in the world that has a problem with nosy government and 'law enforcement' (more like 'will enforcement' in some cases, to be honest). We're just (still, for the moment) allowed to actually talk about it (without [much] fear of being made to disappear).