"And unlike other 'multiprocessor' Operating Systems, the BeOS lets you really use all that power."
I interpret that as a reference to NT, which as I understand it isolates each process to a single CPU. So you can write a multithreaded NT program, run it on a multi-processor machine, and only one processor will be used. To use >1 processor at a time, you have to be running multiple processes at once.
Not to mention that most NT programs aren't very multithreaded, since it is easier to write single-threaded apps. Under BeOS, almost all apps are multithreaded, simply because the system APIs are designed to be multithreaded on your behalf.
>BeOS is just as bad if not worse than anything Microsoft could come up with. Ever tried it?
Yep, I use it every day, and I haven't been this impressed with an operating system since AmigaOS back in the '80s. (and yes, I have used most of the popular OS's out there)
>I just got R4 in the mail a month ago, and was overly disappointed. It has many problems, more bugs than Windows (and a hell of a lot more unstable).
Your experience is completely different from mine, then. I've seen some applications crash, but the system itself is more stable than all but a few OS's I've used. The only real problem I see is lack of apps.
>Although it was an actually release for sale (99 dollars is its retail value), it acted like beta software.
Perhaps there was a hardware problem/incompatibility with your machine. It doesn't act at all "beta" on my machine. Maybe someday you'll get a chance to try it on different hardware, and it'll work better for you then.
>Want to develop for Be? 400 dollars is the going rate i belive.
Now THIS is completely false. All you have to do to develop for be is buy the friggin' OS! The compiler is there, the include files are there, the documentation is there. It even comes with a nice IDE. If you're referring to their developer program, that's free too (at the "Enthusiast" level). Sure, you can pay if you want extra support, etc, but it's hardly required (or even IMHO the least bit necessary--since their APIs are so easy to use)
> Even if you could buy a Linux or Be machine at Best Buy or CompUSA - who's going to tell the clueless newbies that none of the software sold at their store will run on your new machine.
Nobody will need to tell them that. Gassee was suggesting that OEMs bundle BeOS *with* Windows. The computers will therefore run all Windows software. The same thing can be done with Linux.
> I'd really like to try Be, since they now have experimental drivers for my TNT card, but if I have to pay another $25 to buy R5, I'll just wait for R5 to buy it! I'm not going to start shelling out $25 every four months just to get improved drivers and bug fixes that should be free with a commercial OS.
As was noted above, "improved drivers and bug fixes" ARE free with BeOS, in the form of the minor releases (R4.1, etc). R5 will include significant new functionality, which will no doubt be well worth your $25.
And from what I've heard, even the experimental TNT drivers are quite stable now.
> Hopefully Internet2 stays in Universities and non-profit organizations, unlike it's bloated, over-commercialized predicessor.
Hopefully not!
>I remember when you could get 400K/sec on a file download from somewhere on the other side of the US. Now thanks to the convenience of U.S. commercial intere$ts clogging everything up with their bloated WWW sites, you can barely reach 30K/sec.
So you'd prefer to be on your own private Internet, with super high bandwidth to almost nothing? Better to have 30K/sec to what you're looking for, than no access to the sites you want at all. Not to mention that fact that those "bloated WWW sites" take up NO bandwidth unless someone is actually using (i.e. presumably benefiting) from them.
Oh, and another thing--if the Internet2's Quality of Service features work as advertised, then it can be as congested as it wants, but if you're willing to pay a premium for your packets, you'll still get good performance. If not, then you got what you paid for.
The question isn't whether kiddy-porn is acceptable (by all social standards, it's not). The question is, is it so evil that we have to start prosecuting people for even thinking about it? Once we start going after thoughtcrime, it could be a slippery slope back to 1984...
The new G4 chip: Jazzy new MERSI mode for super-efficient SMP, and AltiVec instruction set for killer real-time multimedia. Oh yeah, and the only consumer-level hardware that will support it is from a company that refuses to give out any specs to Be, Inc. There is no God!
One very nice thing about BeOS (and Linux, for that matter) is that it hasn't been dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. Whenever I use Windows or MacOS, I feel like the OS is telling me "you are an idiotic user, and we don't expect you to understand any of this. Please don't touch anything, we'll take care of everything for you." (which wouldn't be so bad if all the wizards and InstallShields and so on actually worked reliably, but often they don't and the whole system has been designed to keep them in control, not me)
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"And unlike other 'multiprocessor' Operating Systems, the BeOS lets you really use all that power."
I interpret that as a reference to NT, which as I understand it isolates each process to a single CPU. So you can write a multithreaded NT program, run it on a multi-processor machine, and only one processor will be used. To use >1 processor at a time, you have to be running multiple processes at once.
Not to mention that most NT programs aren't very multithreaded, since it is easier to write single-threaded apps. Under BeOS, almost all apps are multithreaded, simply because the system APIs are designed to be multithreaded on your behalf.
> Although this will sound like Flame Bait
It sure does... I hope it's not just a troll.
>BeOS is just as bad if not worse than anything Microsoft could come up with. Ever tried it?
Yep, I use it every day, and I haven't been this impressed with an operating system since AmigaOS back in the '80s. (and yes, I have used most of the popular OS's out there)
>I just got R4 in the mail a month ago, and was overly disappointed. It has many problems, more bugs than Windows (and a hell of a lot more unstable).
Your experience is completely different from mine, then. I've seen some applications crash, but the system itself is more stable than all but a few OS's I've used. The only real problem I see is lack of apps.
>Although it was an actually release for sale (99 dollars is its retail value), it acted like beta software.
Perhaps there was a hardware problem/incompatibility with your machine. It doesn't act at all "beta" on my machine. Maybe someday you'll get a chance to try it on different hardware, and it'll work better for you then.
>Want to develop for Be? 400 dollars is the going rate i belive.
Now THIS is completely false. All you have to do to develop for be is buy the friggin' OS! The compiler is there, the include files are there, the documentation is there. It even comes with a nice IDE. If you're referring to their developer program, that's free too (at the "Enthusiast" level). Sure, you can pay if you want extra support, etc, but it's hardly required (or even IMHO the least bit necessary--since their APIs are so easy to use)
> Even if you could buy a Linux or Be machine at Best Buy or CompUSA - who's going to tell the clueless newbies that none of the software sold at their store will run on your new machine.
Nobody will need to tell them that. Gassee was suggesting that OEMs bundle BeOS *with* Windows. The computers will therefore run all Windows software. The same thing can be done with Linux.
> I'd really like to try Be, since they now have experimental drivers for my TNT card, but if I have to pay another $25 to buy R5, I'll just wait for R5 to buy it! I'm not going to start shelling out $25 every four months just to get improved drivers and bug fixes that should be free with a commercial OS.
As was noted above, "improved drivers and bug fixes" ARE free with BeOS, in the form of the minor releases (R4.1, etc). R5 will include significant new functionality, which will no doubt be well worth your $25.
And from what I've heard, even the experimental TNT drivers are quite stable now.
> Hopefully Internet2 stays in Universities and non-profit organizations, unlike it's bloated, over-commercialized predicessor.
Hopefully not!
>I remember when you could get 400K/sec on a file download from somewhere on the other side of the US. Now thanks to the convenience of U.S. commercial intere$ts clogging everything up with their bloated WWW sites, you can barely reach 30K/sec.
So you'd prefer to be on your own private Internet, with super high bandwidth to almost nothing? Better to have 30K/sec to what you're looking for, than no access to the sites you want at all. Not to mention that fact that those "bloated WWW sites" take up NO bandwidth unless someone is actually using (i.e. presumably benefiting) from them.
Oh, and another thing--if the Internet2's Quality of Service features work as advertised, then it can be as congested as it wants, but if you're willing to pay a premium for your packets, you'll still get good performance. If not, then you got what you paid for.
I think the previous poster was referring to 4front's OSS sound drivers that it is planning to port to BeOS.
(And assuming Be's driver model is as straightforward as the rest of their API, it should be easy for 4front to create drivers that don't stink)
Of course, the fact that the "Leave M$ alone" petition only had 10 signers is probably a good sign...
The question isn't whether kiddy-porn is acceptable (by all social standards, it's not). The question is, is it so evil that we have to start prosecuting people for even thinking about it? Once we start going after thoughtcrime, it could be a slippery slope back to 1984...
The new G4 chip: Jazzy new MERSI mode for super-efficient SMP, and AltiVec instruction set for killer real-time multimedia. Oh yeah, and the only consumer-level hardware that will support it is from a company that refuses to give out any specs to Be, Inc. There is no God!
And there is nothing strange about Sun aiming for the corporate market - the consumer market isn't interested in Sun products anyway.
Isn't that a tautology?
One very nice thing about BeOS (and Linux, for that
matter) is that it hasn't been dumbed down to the
lowest common denominator. Whenever I use Windows
or MacOS, I feel like the OS is telling me "you are
an idiotic user, and we don't expect you to understand
any of this. Please don't touch anything, we'll take
care of everything for you." (which wouldn't be so
bad if all the wizards and InstallShields and so on
actually worked reliably, but often they don't and the
whole system has been designed to keep them in control,
not me)
Did MS invent the wheel-mouse? Or was that Logitech, or somebody else?