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CmdrTaco
on from the replacing-actors dept.
Roger writes
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Check out this page
(the Honolulu Star-Bulletin), which has a pic of a completely
CGI person. Thing is, you can't tell she is until you read
it below the picture. She will apparently be the female lead
in the Final Fantasy Movie. "
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Porn Implications
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The implications for porn are staggering
/. should sell itself as a stress tester
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Rather than selling advertising/. should sell itself as a site stress tester.
Did your tech department tell you they could handle any load? Did they tell you not to worry?
The internets heaviest load is just a click away. Test your site now and know the truth or wait for the unexpected. Call/. now!
Idoru
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I know that I'm not the only one here that's read Idoru by William Gibson;>
Trademark, not Patent
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Not sure if the terminology is any different in the UK, but they applied for a *trademark*, not a *patent*. While it's stupid either way, it's still a whole different issue. Patenting a face is just... well, it boggles the mind (not to say that the USPTO wouldn't rubber stamp it like they've done so many other ludicrous applications).
-- Jason Eric Pierce
I think the Slashdot community can do better!
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You think that the Slashdot community could create a better, more realistic CGI movie than FF is going to be? Whatever. Even if we did have more computing power (and the entire slashdot distributed.net team gave up thier cracking to help), we still couldn't do it.
It's not about computing power.
It's about time, effort and will. Movies like this are created becuase of a vision of a very small number of people (director, production designer, art director, etc). Everyone else works *for* them. Doing what they are told. All day. With lots of money to build massivley parrallel high preformance computing networks with (ever see the wall of SPARC's that helped make Toy Story?)
But some random hackers are going to outdo them with thier spare time.
Right.
Just another indication of the average slashdot ego (I run Linux! Yay! I'm changing things! We can do ANYTHING! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!)
Don't judge a movie by one pic
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Regardless of what that pic may show, I would tend to think that the final movie will be MUCH higer quality. It does have a milti-million dollar budget after all. I've seen other shots from the movie, and this one is rather low quality compared to the others.
And is it just me, or is the Final Fantasy series synopsis at the bottom of the article just plain bad reporting? Come on, the Light Warriors were only in FF1! Friggin newspapers and their half assed piss poor video game research departments.
A mirror. Hope my server doesn't get nailed
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Here. http://www.planeswalker.com/ffmovie/
Its a complete copy of the article and all images. Enjoy. (I know I enjoyed it)
- Chris Warden
Porn Implications
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Yeah, how often do you get to see Smokey fuck The Bandit?
"She looked just like Burt Reynolds." "Except for the mustache."
Child porn (even if CG) is TOTALLY unacceptable!
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What does AAA have to do with alcohol? I mean just because I can get my car towed if it breaks down, does that mean I'm an alcoholic?
Can't Tell?
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If you can't tell that this is a CGI female, you obviously don't look at enough real ones.
Are you kidding me? Are you blind?
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That pic has decent lighting but that's about it.
Even if it *was* a convincing still, animating it is a whole other matter. As soon as they apply motion to that model, it will be obvious it's a fake.
CGI people ?
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what is a Common Gateway Interface person ?
Child porn (even if CG) is TOTALLY unacceptable!
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I do really agree with your point. I agree that you should not be able to buy things like child porn but "virtual porn" is another matter. If no children are actually hurt in the process then I do not think you should be able to stop people from making or buying it. Perhaps you do not like date rape, are you going to go out and stop people from selling alcohol and cars? That would stop all those drunken teens right.
It could work...
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I'm genuinely curious about your project (URL? mailing list? anything?), and I understand the potential of the recovered cycles of a few million hackers, but I just wish you wouldn't insult the hard work of Squaresoft, Pixar, and others who work in their "proprietary, closed systems". The few, feature-length CG movies have been quite good (even "Antz" was OK) compared to some of the live action crap.
It is reasonable for companies to choose the closed system method, simply because it's easier that way. They have less of a risk of being ripped off (case in point: Antz), the people are more likely to STAY united instead of splitting off into 2 bazillion factions, etc...
Within Squaresoft, an Open-Source development model does seem to exist, with multiple, evolving plots and storyboards being tested, and the most popular/liked going into the final result.
A possible way to do it the "Free" way, would be to set up a loose voting system for plot and design, so that everyone could be involved without things getting stupid, pick a few, DEDICATED individuals/companies for design (you could trade advertising for donated hardware, software, or person-power), and rewrite parts of POV-Ray and Blue Moon Rendering tools for a massively parallel, low bandwidth network of computers for actual rendering (Distributed.net could help there).
Good luck! spoot gaavrehl@usa.net (I'd like to help, if I can)
Child porn (even if CG) is TOTALLY unacceptable!
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One thing is funny though... Every bizarre form of fetish sex is regarded as normal, except paedophilia where people always gets strong reactions.
I mean, do I need a doctor because I think the 15-year-old next door looks good but I don't like having sex with beer coasters???
My First Sexual Experience
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What if I wanted to make a movie/book/illustration depicting my first sexual experience (I was 13, she was 16)? Because it would depict minors engaging in sexual activities, should I be prosecuted for it? Where do we draw the line regarding appropriate age limits? Appropriate media?
If you only played 20 minutes...
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...you have absolutely no clue what the game is like, and no business criticizing it in a public forum. Try playing the rest of the game sometime.
- RF (dfelker@cnu.edu)
Bogus data
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there is likely to be an increase in sexual contact with minors when you 'feed' the this deviant behavior by presenting the person with the opportunity to view this sort of thing.
Oh really? Where's your proof? Back in the late 60's/early 70's "this sort of thing" actually WAS readily available. Only in the mid-70s were laws passed (in the US) making it illegal (the abuse was illegal, but not the making of the porn itself). Now child abuse statistics are shooting through the roof. Gee, seems like more kids are getting abused AFTER all the porn was taken away!
I am not claiming that there is necessarily a cause-and-effect link between the outlawing of child porn and the increase in child abuse. Because even if that is the appearence on the surface, I have no firm data to support such a conclusion. You have no firm data to support YOUR contention that more people are more likely to actually abuse kids if they see completely fake child porn. You just don't know that to be the case, so stop spouting off as if you do.
Sorry, but it drives me crazy to see people continuously spout this crap as if it's true, when they don't have any proof. Maybe all the "deviants" wouldn't attack real kids if they had the fake stuff, hmm? (although with all the media attention, it would seem that this "deviancy" is approaching stastically normal behavior)
I'll tell you where to draw the line...
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We draw the line just before the point you just crossed.
As a director myself (and a director who likes to walk the edge of the morality line) I can tell you that I believe such material is inappropriate to view, let alone create. Real or CGI, visualizing children having sex is not normal and to depict minors having sex in a film is illegal in the United States. Like it or not: Illegal.
There was one exception, that drew much attention when it came out. Volker Schlondorff's masterwork "The Tin Drum" which depicts a man whose growth was stunted at age 12 engaging in intercourse, among other activities. The difference to your example is that it was a *man* dwarfed as to look like a child. But in the context of the film he was emotionally mature and sexually developed...just with a body the size of a child.
This happens to be one of my favorite films but I must admit that I question the morality of Mr. Schlondorff engaging an underage actor, David Bennent, in an activity like this -- even if it is faked.
The film was recently banned in Texas, and a videostore clerk was arrested for renting it out. I was one of the people who believed that this clerk committed no criminal act, and that the filmmakers should be free from prosecution. It is a judgement call I made based on the context of the film. It's not about a child having sex, it's about a man having sex.
It certainly has got me thinking.
-Roger Avary
Cool. But I don't think she looks like a human.
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Blade Runner 2 with totally CGI replicants would be cool.
My first sexual experince was not one that I liked
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I'm the guy who has ranted all over this forum today about how wrong child porn is and how sick people are for wanting to protect it (and I'm right you know). Let me tell you about my first sexual experiences...
I was about 8 or so, I'm not exactly sure, and was forced to engage in oral sex (both give and receive) with a male teen. Not exactly something that is on my 'top things to do today' list. Well, Ive seen it all and been through it all. Don't ask me how or why this person wanted to get involved with kiddies but it stands to reason that this sort of things happens way too often. About 25% of the people I know personally have been through similar things.
My point is this... I was innocent and helpless at the time. I did nothing to provoke or deserve this. If I were older, I would have had a chance to deal with it in a better way. Children are very volnerable. They are physically weak and mentally underdeveloped too. They need the protection of adults. Why refuse it? Why protect the "rights" of those that are bound and determined to abuse them?
A child's life and well-being is worth a dozen adults. They are better people and deserving of the best we can give them. True men and women will place their needs first. Anyone who proposes to make laws that allow the children to suffer for the benefit of adults (or even make a law to where it is likely they will suffer) is a sorry escuse of a person. I will protect children and their rights to my grave.
Thank you and good night!
I watch peple kill in movies. I don't kill.
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Why should watching ficticious child porn be harmful if no children were involved?
Nuts to FF. I want a Parasite Eve movie!!!!
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Aya and Melissa (before she mutated) look better than any of the FF characters, IMO. And the mutated Aya... well... I have a thing for green skinned women.:)
Besides, Parasite Eve has a real story in there as it was based on a novel. With FF, the game came first.
I watch peple kill in movies. I don't kill.
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This says it all:
Bad all movies and books containing murder.
Is killing a less serious crime than child molesting??? What about killing a child? Come on, wake up!
Do you have a brain? If so, use it.
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Yes, I'm well aware of "brain washing". Where you make your mistake is in assuming that you yourself have NOT been subject to brain washing yourself.
The media continuously shreiks the message that viewing porn leads to action. That is where YOU have been influenced. So have I, but I've learned to not trust all the emotion-filled ranting on any subject the media is so entranced with. If such a link as you propose is so bleeding obvious, then there should be study after study *proving* it. Right?
So where are they?
You've probably made quite a few assumptions about me already (I can tell from your tone). Well, I was abused as a kid. I don't want kids to be abused. There are people who want to abuse kids. All efforts to ban, stop, police them, whatever, aren't working very well.
Now, if CG child porn -- which does not involve any REAL kid at all -- will stop some of those people from going out and hurting a real kid, then I'm FOR IT. But you want to ban it, just because you "feel" that it wouldn't work. Well, I want PROOF, not some brain-washed, media-influenced ranting. Screw "common sense" and all that -- "common sense" can be WRONG.
Here's something that might, or might not, help stop some kids from getting hurt. Don't just throw it away before you know, really KNOW, what its effects will be.
I watch people kill in movies. I don't kill.
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No I would not keep the babysitter if I knew he watched child porn. However, the constitution does not apply inside my home. I can eject anyone for any reason even if it's for them exercising their constitutionally protected freedoms (freedom of speech and of the press n the case of virtual child porn). Bottom line is I don't have to allow it in my house. I do not, however, propose that they should be prohibited from exercising their right elsewhere just because they offend me.
fake, but good at the same time.
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you can definately tell that is fake. first off you can see the interlacing, secondly her hair is close, but not perfect, the sleeve is definately something to take a look at, plus i have never seen light reflect off of someones eye and onto their cheek...i may be wrong though. but anyway, yes it looks good and i would definately have to see it in motion as the mind would not have time to pick out all inconsistencies.
Assmodeus
I'll tell you where to draw the line...
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>It's reality and sweeping it under the rug
>ain't gonna fix it.
This is your support for pedo-pornography?
Fake Child Porn Is Illegal In America
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A law was passed not too long ago in America which makes any nude depiction of a child regardless of whether it is a real child, an altered photograph, or completely CGI rendered. The law was created because some people arrested for child porn on the internet said their pics were touched up photos and thus were not illegal.
"Kids"?
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Not to be too flippant here, but what about the movie "Kids"? The actors sure didn't look over 18 to me (and in any case were depicting teenagers), and they certainly engaged in "simulated" sex. Since this is in an 'R' rated context, what about 'NC-17'? Further, with varying ages of consent from state to state, how can an act depicted on film be legitimate in one state but child pornography in another? (Unlike the actual act, which obviously has to occur in a specific geographic area.)
I don't mean to treat the subject of child pornography lightly, but we seem to have pegged the age of 18 as being legit, when in fact people below that age are sexually developed and active, and when much of mythology, history, and literature (e.g., Romeo and Juliet) portrays "lovers" below this age.
I -know- the Slashdot community can do better!
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When the project breaks down because of bickering about creative differences, let me know.
If you do get it done, I'd be amused to see the results.
"A benevolent dictatorship is the ideal form of project management." -- Apologies to John Carmack
Yes!
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Try the Betty Chevy clinic
What does CGI stand for?
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I noticed that the main artcle calls her a CGI person. What does CGI stand for in this context?
Porn Implications
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Sad to say, in another 5 or 10 years people will be able to produce this on their own computers, and the government won't be able to stop them because it won't know they are doing it.
Child porn (even if CG) is TOTALLY unacceptable!
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I think that at least in the uk, "pseudo-photographs" of child pornography are explicitly illegal. I suppose it is as true in the united states.
HAL 9000 as the movie director..
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Yes I use 'puters during my day job.. Yes I have seen a bugs life.. Yes it was good animation.. Yes the story was done by a human director.. maybe not in the future.
Yes I have control of my puter ( power is in the back.. pull it out and it is under MY control.. Yes True acting should be done by TRUE humans.. Yes they do not ALWAYS answer curtain calls. LOL! Yes the story is still by a human director!
My concern is that we wind up like the SciFi Asimov wrote about regarding the Robot Novels (We DONT want to become the dirty SPACERS)..
Some Cultures are Different
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In Japan there are alot of porn comics. I mean LOTS like whole bookstores full. Most bookstores have at least a couple of shelves full and nearly all newsstands, magazine racks carry at least 10 or more of the 60 or so monthly and bi-monthly comic style porn magazines.
Easily, 5 to 10 percent of the stories are about sex with children.
I don't know what the general opinion of that topic is in Japan but there was an article in an English/Japanese magazine about the pregnant teacher in America with her student lover. I don't remember the details of the story except that I think she went to prison and when she got out she got caught visiting him again.
Anyway, the article claimed that if such a thing happened in Japan it would not be a big deal at all and they had several reader comments printed with the article that claimed that if the two people are in love, the age doesn't matter even if one is 10 or 12 and the other is 30.
But, after that I asked one of my Japanese friends and she didn't agree. She thought it would be a big deal.
Another 5 percent of the stories are about taking a dump. Yuuucckk! Both types bother me but I still buy the books and magazines since each one has 8 to 12 stories in it and the rest of the stores don't feature those topics.
When's the movie gonna be out???
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According the article in the January issue of Animage, sometime in 2001. Al Reinert, who worked on Apollo 13, is one of the writers.
Porn Implications
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Interesting...
How bad would child porn be if you weren't harming any children in it's creation?
Just a thought from up here in Canada, where it's illegal to write a description of sexual acts involving children on a piece of paper, even if you never show it to anyone (I wish I was joking...)
rube goldberg is making movies
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Recent movies have been so lousy that no one seems to think about what real acting is.
Even if the cg mannequins were implemented perfectly they won't be human, there won't be that mental connection between the character and the audience.
A couple of weeks ago I was listening to a radio show about cloning. The guests were all academics. One guy finally made the point that everyone seems to miss -- why would people make clones, when it's expensive and difficult and not nearly as much fun as having sex?
So the question here is why would you spend a kazillion dollars to make phony cg people who move unnaturally (yes, I've seen characters who are modeled from video of real people) and whose voices are dubbed? Why not just film a person? It's a lot cheaper and easier, and the results are better. The first couple of movies that are all cg will do well because of the novelty. I'd go to see it. But over the long haul, it's an inefficient rube goldberg way to make movies.
If they think that a cg brad pitt is going to be competition for the real brad pitt, they've got a nasty surprise in store for them. Hollywood is full of beautiful people, but very few of them are stars. There's more to it than a face.
Rent there's something about mary, and look at cameron diaz's eyes. Think about modeling it, how complicated it is, how the way the move and flash is tied in perfectly with the rest of her facial expressions, which are in turn synced with the emotions of the scene and the reactions of the people opposite her.
They're not going to duplicate that in the forseeable future.
I'm going to regret this, but...
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I've put the image up on my site. Now we get to see how well a 486-66 behind a 33.6k modem handles the Slashdot effect.;)
If someone who's got some real bandwidth could grab it and re-mirror it, that would probably be good.
And I have to say... the image may not be perfect, but I've seen worse quality JPEGs of real people... If I hadn't known going in, I would have guessed that it was a real actress in a CGI scene. The one thing I did notice is that she hasn't got any finger/hand prints...
I -know- the Slashdot community can do better!
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I'd love to see a GPL'd movie, but my feeling is that we'll never see anything of quality (longer than 30 min) come out.
I think the Slashdot community can do better!
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But with an infinite amount of monkeys, er, programmers writing screenplay, we'll produce an infinite amount of screenplays/scripts/etc. Then it's just a matter of picking the best one!
While you'll probably respond that you wouldn't watch cartoons; I dare you to watch a Miyazaki film, say Nausicaa, and reply that you wern't moved by it. CG is just another medium to work in. Keep an open mind. (Although improperly mixing CG with cell animation tends to look badly; Spielburg's Invasion America is a prime example of this.)
In Sweden, you cannot use the name or photo of anybody (say, the Queen, or Björn Borg) for commercial advertising without their permission. Faking an image of the Queen drinking Coca-Cola would count as alleged endorsement of a product, and may (if reported to the police) result in damages to the person depicted as well as fines.
It's at least as illegal as making false statements about the product itself (such as selling plain water but labelling it "vodka"). It has nothing whatsoever to do with intellectual property.
I'm not sure though how the Swedish law on the subject relates to dead people. For some reason, celebrities don't seem to pop up in random commercials in Sweden as soon as they are dead, and I think that would count as false marketing anyway. Maybe this is a real problem in Britain?
The Internet Movie Project exists already
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While I may have my doubts about your claim, I think you would be interested in joining the Internet Movie Project established less than a year ago. Ok, that web page may look pretty beta, and don't expect a fast race, but there are some serious minds out there willing to spend part of their spare time scripting, modelling, directing, and rendering an entire movie using PoV-Ray. Look around and see if you want to contribute.
The Internet Movie Project exists already
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Well, <URL:http://www.imp.org/> works for me at least (the domain name was set up in December). If you can't reach it, could you be more specific as to what the problem is? Mail me directly; there's no need to bother Slashdot readers with local network trouble (and I have enough trouble reaching Slashdot to tell you this, since I don't know your e-mail address).
However, you could also check the initial project website at <URL:http://www.algonet.se/%7Ejhubert/Mov ieProject/> (that space is in the anchor text only, not in the actual URL) which still links to all the relevant material.
I'd rather not try to describe the project here, since I would be duplicating their own web info. Studio-quality? Yes, if you count television/video (as opposed to cinema) quality. GPL? No, but public enough for me. One has to register as a member in order to take part in the project, but much of it is visible to non-members as well. The distribution details haven't been worked out in detail, but as I understand it, the result will be made available for free (see the membership agreement for legal details).
As for high-quality script, I don't think you will be disappointed reading what has been done so far. I wasn't.
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elyard
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Realism is not achieved exclusively by the tool. The artist must participate the most.
If you have 10 million programmers, but no artists, it's rather like expecting 10 million monkeys to reproduce *Watership Down.*
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IRIX, BeOS, and Mac OS.
I watch peple kill in movies. I don't kill.
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(on the unlikely chance someone actually reads this...)
Would I hire someone who reads child porn as a sitter for my child? Irrelevant question. People don't get grabbed by kiddie porn and forced to read it, people who are sexually attracted to children seek it out. The rest of us look away in disgust, we don't become child molesters by viewing it. So of course a person who views it is more likely to be a child molester. The issue is whether, *given* a person with a sexual attraction to children, will they be even more likely to act on those desires if they read child porn. I say there's little or no evidence that this is the case.
-- Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
Child porn (even if CG) is TOTALLY unacceptable!
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"If you supply a person with suggestions that it is ok to think of children in a sexual manner (though why anyone would want to is totally beyond me) then you will ultimately see a rise in the real thing."
But we're not doing that.
Assume that child pornography was legal and available at your local adult bookstore. Would you buy any? I doubt it, most of us wouldn't. Only those rare people for whom it's a turn-on would. So what effect would it have on them? Would viewing the pornography (presumably while engaging in self-gratification) satisfy their urges or stimulate them into kid-nabbing? I don't think you can definitively say one way or the other. Playing Doom, D&D, and wargames never spurred me to violence, for example.
Actually, I probably have seen a comic strip or two that would qualify as child porn in books about underground comic strips. Again, this in no way filled me with the desire to have sex with children.
-- Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
Its not CG it's Katherine, my old girlfriend (now married.) Overall I like how her face has a more friendly tone, considering what they could have done.
But I agree with another poster, the lighting seems to be created to cast the best light on the image. The more complex things like hair, etc... are in the dark, and her face and a cyber-phychedelic board are about all we see. Still i think it will be pretty fun to watch. I remember disliking Toy Story because the people looked more toy like than the toys.
And as far as connecting with the charectar, people connect with written charectars all the time. (I even get bewildered by those that seem to connect with Lara Croft. Rachel had some interesting things to say about her, being somewhat an athority herself... and I'll stop there.) ^~~^~^^~~^~^~^~^^~^^~^~^~~^^^~^^~~^~~~^~~ ^~ ABORTED effort: Close all that you have.
Modern actresses are a tough nut to crack
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So they couldn't convince a real woman to star as the a heroine in a movie so they synthesize one with computers and get men to act the movements. It reminds me of Elizabeth dole a little bit.
Surely there is prior-art in the form of princess Diana herself? If this 3D model thing worked then by similar reasoning someone could patent all images of the moon, or even an unwilling subject's face! When will people recognise that intellectual property, and patents in particular, are a pandora's box of problems, and are fundimentally stupid in concept anyway. Information wants to be free!!
If they try in the U.S you can be almost sure that the nobrainer patent people will not be as stringent. The US patent office seems to delight in permitting the silliest things to be patented, with the excuse that it can always be fought out in court. That is assuming that the people hurt by the stupid patent can afford to go to court in the first place!
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I think the Slashdot community can do better!
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Actually, BMRT and Radiance BOTH understand radiocity. (IMHO, BMRT does a better job of it, too.) Not sure about PoV-Ray, but I've been told it does.
What do you mean by "have a plot"? A plot to the story could be open-sourced (as per my Free Film Project). That's not a hinderance. If anything, I think it might produce better results, as the open nature of it would iron out flaws in the script which are so often glaring in the major (closed) film productions.
-- It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
I think the Slashdot community can do better!
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Actually, your joke illustrates one of the reasons I think a GPLed movie would be very successful - you can have multiple versions of the script, each evolving in parallel. Those versions that work & are popular will survive. Those that don't & aren't, won't.
-- It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
The homepage is over at: http://www.geoci ties.com/ResearchTriangle/Facility/6309/index.html. Yes, I know, but the software side is being moved over to www.gnu.org Real Soon Now (the Free Film Project is part of Gnu) and I'm hoping to re-house the arts and FAQ sides shortly.
There'll be at least one mailing list, also starting soon, and a CVS repository.
-- It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
I'd check those numbers. According to various independent film making groups, you can make a full-length movie on $5,000, total. Yes, with real actors.
-- It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
I think the Slashdot community can do better!
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But you wouldn't have the "infinite monkeys" problem! Any more than you do with Gnome, the kernel, Flight Gear or any other "free" or "open source" product!
Why? Because people have a natural tendancy to drift to do what they're good at & enjoy. It's my belief that the =ARTISTS= will drift to doing the ARTS side, whilst the PROGRAMMERS drift to the PROGRAMMING/COMPUTING side.
Infinite Monkey problem negated.
-- It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
I think the Slashdot community can do better!
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We've got BMRT and PoV-Ray, and probably far more computing power (when combined) than any studio. It should be possible to produce far more realistic people than any proprietary, closed environment could achieve.
-- It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
RE: Child porn is TOTALLY unacceptable!
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Just to play Devil's Advocate, and not voicing any opinion one way or another (as I dont think that is necessary), are not laws such as those preventing the use of children in pornography designed to protect the children as individuals who would be used in such productions? In the case of using CGI actors there would be no child harmed directly by the production of such material.
However, if your position is that the laws are to protect social decency and moral standards, then I would have to object, as such qualities are not (or should not) be legislatable when it comes to issues of creative production (whether you find child porno creative is irrelevant, it should still be considered an act of self-expression as all other forms of speech are protected).
Im sure Ill be flamed for this, but I dont feel the need to justify an argument based purely on principle.
The only clue I had was the hair; that didn't look quite right.
But you know, while such realism might make CG-movies seem more real, it also takes away some of the charm. I'm sure that we've all seen "Toy Story" by now; tell me, would it have been the same if all the toys had looked any more realistic than they did? I think it would have.
Nonetheless, I'll be first in line to buy tickets to this movie. This is going to be cool...
The story said that the main character will look "like Brad Pitt". If this is successful, I wonder whether either Pitt or some future image-oriented actor will consider doing what the Princess Diana trust is now; i.e., having a 3D model made from photographs of their face and patented, so that they can sue those who replicate their image.
If the Diana people get away this, how long until we have entire business specialising in this process in one shop, from digitisation and modelling to patent submission?
The street finds its own uses for things.
UK Patent office rejected Diana Trademark
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For my money the gal in the pic is very credible... but unlike the guy earlier I think that motion will not help hide detail, it will show up unrealistic physics and unnatural gracelessness.
Hey, the Simpsons are good enough for that
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or even south park:-)
-- Did you mount a military-grade, variable-focus MASER on an unlicensed artificial intelligence?
may not be 100% realistic, BUT ...
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pretty darn close if you ask me.
The face is very good, the hair.. you can't really see the hair, so I'll hold off judgement. The hand and the sleeve though, are pretty unrealistic. Still, I think that hands are harder to "get right" than faces, so I can understand.
This is going to be a severely cool movie..
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Wow, this is yet more stuff that makes me want to go work for Square once I get a degree or two.
Certainly good enough for suspension of disbelief
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It doesn't have to be perfect to work, just good enough to get the audience to buy into it. Look at Toy Story for an example: nobody would mistake any character in the movie for a real person, but you got involved and the movie worked.
And the graphic I saw looked way better than anything in Toy Story.
Jon
-- All opinions expressed herein are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled.
Well that took less than 40 minutes to/. that server out of existence. It leaves me wondering what the record is. It might be interesting to monitor these sites' behavior as the/. effect takes its toll. Sort of like that post a few days ago that monitored it from the viewpoint of the server - but from the outside, maybe using pings and/or simple fetches every minute, and plotting response time. Slashdot itself could do this, then maybe add a little icon to the headline when the server goes down. It would be nifty to be able to click to see a graph describing the death of these unfortunate servers.
Lady Luck favors the hopelessly insane. - Brain : Pinky, Elmyra, and the Brain
Child porn (even if CG) is TOTALLY unacceptable!
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Your regurgitation of the party line sounds good, until you cross reference what you think you know with some facts.
A study last year found that conviceted child molesters were not as likely to molest again if they had a ready supply of child pornography.
The authors of the study reasoned that since it's difficult to reform people, and there's something about child molestors that is off-base, but unfixable, then the solution might be to find an outlet for their deviant behavior that didn't hurt anyone.
The state has confiscated a great deal of child porn. The children who were abused by it have already been abused. Further use of the child porn doesn't further hurt the children. Thus, existing stockpiles of child porn could be used for this.
Obviously, implementing something like this is way out of the question in current society. Even talking about it is somewhat taboo.
My point is that use of child porn does NOT necessarily cause child abuse. The general lesson to learn is QUESTION EVERYTHING!!!
In this article it says the actors are completely computer generated - that nothing is scanned from humans. Then they tell you about how they put sensors on this guy and scanned in his movements!
Child porn (even if CG) is TOTALLY unacceptable!
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The question isn't whether kiddy-porn is acceptable (by all social standards, it's not). The question is, is it so evil that we have to start prosecuting people for even thinking about it? Once we start going after thoughtcrime, it could be a slippery slope back to 1984...
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I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
DK-96 in Japan is the first (that I know of) completely computer generated character. FF's version is definately higher quality, but then DK-96 is going on 3 years old.
Yeah, games-turned-movies usually suck, but the Final Fantasy series is kind of a different case; it's open-ended. One game has nothing to do with another in the series. I get the feeling the only thing this movie will have in common with the Final Fantasy series is its name and the people who worked on it. It has the potential to be really, really good.
At any rate, I'm looking forward to seeing the new Wing Commander movie this year, too.:)
-- All unfair meta-mods are now being meta-meta-modded as retarded.
From the article, they make it sound like motion capture is this great new idea. It's used in almost every sports video game nowadays.
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I always liked the FF games...
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...but thought the plots were always quite, no, REALLY dumb. I must say that you can't do anything in the 'fantasy' genre through Live Action however, and have been waiting for a CGI fantasy for a while. I still think anime is the way to go, however, and think they'd be best NOT trying to make it completely realistic, ya know, make the characters look kinda strange on purpose so people can't say 'that doesn't look real!!!' I mean I'm sure half the posts here are in regards to her skin tone/all that metal shit that looks totally fake. Actually what I think the real problem is that they are spending too much time on the PEOPLE and not enough time on everything else. Then it turns into the same whole problem of doing fantasy with live action where the people and landscape looks real but the magic looks like crap. All in all I wish them luck, however, and hope the magic looks cool cuz I mean those magic effects were some of the only things keeping on until ff6 (No I don't have a PSX).
I mean in 4 you couldn't change anybody's class or anything and it just sucked out loud, but in FF5 they have this whole skill system where you can build up peoples strengths in different classes, almost as if you were playing as seperate classes, but then you can start building up strengths somewhere else so all in all it's a lot more flexible. I've only tried out the translated ROM, but I heard they re-made it and translated it for PSX or something. Now, I'm not saying that this at all makes FF7 or anything after it any better, but I truly think FF5 is the best in the FF series. And yes, I WOULD pay money for it IF they ported it to LINUX!!! (not an emu that runs in linux mind you, linux itself)
Hmmm. Methinks we miss the point
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I'm not sure of the value of CG movies trying to create reality; its power is in realistically creating fiction...
There are reasons today why animated media can have a strength, value, and power that filmed media do not. It's particualarly hard in real life to coordinate lighting, atmosphere, humidity, and weather to get great dramatic moments in particularly beautiful places... CG will help there. For more mundane situations, CG can hide, alter, mask, and transform an alley in LA into an alley on an alien world, with alien culture, trash, and citizens.
And CG people are very well suited for special effects that cannot or should not be done in real life, for stunts, for amazing transformations... For those who watch anime, a life-action Ranma film could be made with real actors and their CG counterparts stepping in at appropriate moments for transformations, as well as during battle scenes, chi-attacks, etc. T2 used CG, but they accepted the limitations and made it part of their look... Future tense, CG should be able to make the morphing of 2 individuals flawless, so that future Spielbergs, Lucases, and others can populate their worlds with changelings, dopplegangers, mutants, superheros, and things only dreamed of on paper and animated media...
Twink
When's the movie gonna be out???
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You can tell. Look at her sleeve. It is perfectly cylindrical. Also look at the smooth, symmetric texture of that sleeve. Then take a look at her hair.
However, this is a still. A moving picture would be better since you can't look at the details.
The implications for porn are staggering
Rather than selling advertising /. should sell itself as a site stress tester.
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Did your tech department tell you they could handle any load? Did they tell you not to worry?
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Test your site now and know the truth or wait
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Idoru by William Gibson
Not sure if the terminology is any different in the UK, but they applied for a *trademark*, not a *patent*. While it's stupid either way, it's still a whole different issue. Patenting a face is just... well, it boggles the mind (not to say that the USPTO wouldn't rubber stamp it like they've done so many other ludicrous applications).
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You think that the Slashdot community could create a better, more realistic CGI movie than FF is going to be? Whatever. Even if we did have more computing power (and the entire slashdot distributed.net team gave up thier cracking to help), we still couldn't do it.
It's not about computing power.
It's about time, effort and will. Movies like this are created becuase of a vision of a very small number of people (director, production designer, art director, etc). Everyone else works *for* them. Doing what they are told. All day. With lots of money to build massivley parrallel high preformance computing networks with (ever see the wall of SPARC's that helped make Toy Story?)
But some random hackers are going to outdo them with thier spare time.
Right.
Just another indication of the average slashdot ego (I run Linux! Yay! I'm changing things! We can do ANYTHING! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!)
Regardless of what that pic may show, I would tend to think that the final movie will be MUCH higer quality. It does have a milti-million dollar budget after all. I've seen other shots from the movie, and this one is rather low quality compared to the others.
And is it just me, or is the Final Fantasy series synopsis at the bottom of the article just plain bad reporting? Come on, the Light Warriors were only in FF1! Friggin newspapers and their half assed piss poor video game research departments.
Here.
http://www.planeswalker.com/ffmovie/
Its a complete copy of the article and all images.
Enjoy. (I know I enjoyed it)
- Chris Warden
Yeah, how often do you get to see Smokey fuck The Bandit?
"She looked just like Burt Reynolds."
"Except for the mustache."
What does AAA have to do with alcohol? I mean just because I can get my car towed if it breaks down, does that mean I'm an alcoholic?
If you can't tell that this is a CGI female, you obviously don't look at enough real ones.
That pic has decent lighting but that's about it.
Even if it *was* a convincing still, animating it is a whole other matter. As soon as they apply motion to that model, it will be obvious it's a fake.
what is a Common Gateway Interface person ?
I do really agree with your point. I agree that
you should not be able to buy things like child
porn but "virtual porn" is another matter. If
no children are actually hurt in the process
then I do not think you should be able to stop
people from making or buying it. Perhaps you do
not like date rape, are you going to go out and
stop people from selling alcohol and cars? That
would stop all those drunken teens right.
I'm genuinely curious about your project (URL? mailing list? anything?), and I understand the potential of the recovered cycles of a few million hackers, but I just wish you wouldn't insult the hard work of Squaresoft, Pixar, and others who work in their "proprietary, closed systems". The few, feature-length CG movies have been quite good (even "Antz" was OK) compared to some of the live action crap.
It is reasonable for companies to choose the closed system method, simply because it's easier that way. They have less of a risk of being ripped off (case in point: Antz), the people are more likely to STAY united instead of splitting off into 2 bazillion factions, etc...
Within Squaresoft, an Open-Source development model does seem to exist, with multiple, evolving plots and storyboards being tested, and the most popular/liked going into the final result.
A possible way to do it the "Free" way, would be to set up a loose voting system for plot and design, so that everyone could be involved without things getting stupid, pick a few, DEDICATED individuals/companies for design (you could trade advertising for donated hardware, software, or person-power), and rewrite parts of POV-Ray and Blue Moon Rendering tools for a massively parallel, low bandwidth network of computers for actual rendering (Distributed.net could help there).
Good luck!
spoot
gaavrehl@usa.net
(I'd like to help, if I can)
One thing is funny though... Every bizarre form
of fetish sex is regarded as normal, except
paedophilia where people always gets strong
reactions.
I mean, do I need a doctor because I think the
15-year-old next door looks good but I don't like
having sex with beer coasters???
What if I wanted to make a movie/book/illustration depicting my first sexual experience (I was 13, she was 16)? Because it would depict minors engaging in sexual activities, should I be prosecuted for it? Where do we draw the line regarding appropriate age limits? Appropriate media?
...you have absolutely no clue what the game is like, and no business criticizing it in a public forum. Try playing the rest of the game sometime.
- RF (dfelker@cnu.edu)
there is likely to be an increase in sexual contact with minors when you 'feed' the this deviant behavior by presenting the person with the opportunity to view this sort of thing.
Oh really? Where's your proof? Back in the late 60's/early 70's "this sort of thing" actually WAS readily available. Only in the mid-70s were laws passed (in the US) making it illegal (the abuse was illegal, but not the making of the porn itself). Now child abuse statistics are shooting through the roof. Gee, seems like more kids are getting abused AFTER all the porn was taken away!
I am not claiming that there is necessarily a cause-and-effect link between the outlawing of child porn and the increase in child abuse. Because even if that is the appearence on the surface, I have no firm data to support such a conclusion. You have no firm data to support YOUR contention that more people are more likely to actually abuse kids if they see completely fake child porn. You just don't know that to be the case, so stop spouting off as if you do.
Sorry, but it drives me crazy to see people continuously spout this crap as if it's true, when they don't have any proof. Maybe all the "deviants" wouldn't attack real kids if they had the fake stuff, hmm? (although with all the media attention, it would seem that this "deviancy" is approaching stastically normal behavior)
We draw the line just before the point you just crossed.
As a director myself (and a director who likes to walk the edge of the morality line) I can tell you that I believe such material is inappropriate to view, let alone create. Real or CGI, visualizing children having sex is not normal and to depict minors having sex in a film is illegal in the United States. Like it or not: Illegal.
There was one exception, that drew much attention when it came out. Volker Schlondorff's masterwork "The Tin Drum" which depicts a man whose growth was stunted at age 12 engaging in intercourse, among other activities. The difference to your example is that it was a *man* dwarfed as to look like a child. But in the context of the film he was emotionally mature and sexually developed...just with a body the size of a child.
This happens to be one of my favorite films but I must admit that I question the morality of Mr. Schlondorff engaging an underage actor, David Bennent, in an activity like this -- even if it is faked.
The film was recently banned in Texas, and a videostore clerk was arrested for renting it out. I was one of the people who believed that this clerk committed no criminal act, and that the filmmakers should be free from prosecution. It is a judgement call I made based on the context of the film. It's not about a child having sex, it's about a man having sex.
It certainly has got me thinking.
-Roger Avary
Blade Runner 2 with totally CGI replicants would be cool.
I'm the guy who has ranted all over this forum today about how wrong child porn is and how sick people are for wanting to protect it (and I'm right you know). Let me tell you about my first sexual experiences...
I was about 8 or so, I'm not exactly sure, and was forced to engage in oral sex (both give and receive) with a male teen. Not exactly something that is on my 'top things to do today' list. Well, Ive seen it all and been through it all. Don't ask me how or why this person wanted to get involved with kiddies but it stands to reason that this sort of things happens way too often. About 25% of the people I know personally have been through similar things.
My point is this... I was innocent and helpless at the time. I did nothing to provoke or deserve this. If I were older, I would have had a chance to deal with it in a better way. Children are very volnerable. They are physically weak and mentally underdeveloped too. They need the protection of adults. Why refuse it? Why protect the "rights" of those that are bound and determined to abuse them?
A child's life and well-being is worth a dozen adults. They are better people and deserving of the best we can give them. True men and women will place their needs first. Anyone who proposes to make laws that allow the children to suffer for the benefit of adults (or even make a law to where it is likely they will suffer) is a sorry escuse of a person. I will protect children and their rights to my grave.
Thank you and good night!
Why should watching ficticious child porn be harmful if no children were involved?
Aya and Melissa (before she mutated) look better than any of the FF characters, IMO. And the mutated Aya... well... I have a thing for green skinned women. :)
Besides, Parasite Eve has a real story in there as it was based on a novel. With FF, the game came first.
This says it all:
Bad all movies and books containing murder.
Is killing a less serious crime than child
molesting??? What about killing a child?
Come on, wake up!
Yes, I'm well aware of "brain washing". Where you make your mistake is in assuming that you yourself have NOT been subject to brain washing yourself.
The media continuously shreiks the message that viewing porn leads to action. That is where YOU have been influenced. So have I, but I've learned to not trust all the emotion-filled ranting on any subject the media is so entranced with. If such a link as you propose is so bleeding obvious, then there should be study after study *proving* it. Right?
So where are they?
You've probably made quite a few assumptions about me already (I can tell from your tone). Well, I was abused as a kid. I don't want kids to be abused. There are people who want to abuse kids. All efforts to ban, stop, police them, whatever, aren't working very well.
Now, if CG child porn -- which does not involve any REAL kid at all -- will stop some of those people from going out and hurting a real kid, then I'm FOR IT. But you want to ban it, just because you "feel" that it wouldn't work. Well, I want PROOF, not some brain-washed, media-influenced ranting. Screw "common sense" and all that -- "common sense" can be WRONG.
Here's something that might, or might not, help stop some kids from getting hurt. Don't just throw it away before you know, really KNOW, what its effects will be.
No I would not keep the babysitter if I knew he watched child porn. However, the constitution does not apply inside my home. I can eject anyone for any reason even if it's for them exercising their constitutionally protected freedoms (freedom of speech and of the press n the case of virtual child porn). Bottom line is I don't have to allow it in my house. I do not, however, propose that they should be prohibited from exercising their right elsewhere just because they offend me.
you can definately tell that is fake. first off you can see the interlacing, secondly her hair is close, but not perfect, the sleeve is definately something to take a look at, plus i have never seen light reflect off of someones eye and onto their cheek...i may be wrong though. but anyway, yes it looks good and i would definately have to see it in motion as the mind would not have time to pick out all inconsistencies.
Assmodeus
>It's reality and sweeping it under the rug
>ain't gonna fix it.
This is your support for pedo-pornography?
A law was passed not too long ago in America which makes any nude depiction of a child regardless of whether it is a real child, an altered photograph, or completely CGI rendered. The law was created because some people arrested for child porn on the internet said their pics were touched up photos and thus were not illegal.
Not to be too flippant here, but what about the movie "Kids"? The actors sure didn't look over 18 to me (and in any case were depicting teenagers), and they certainly engaged in "simulated" sex. Since this is in an 'R' rated context, what about 'NC-17'? Further, with varying ages of consent from state to state, how can an act depicted on film be legitimate in one state but child pornography in another? (Unlike the actual act, which obviously has to occur in a specific geographic area.)
I don't mean to treat the subject of child pornography lightly, but we seem to have pegged the age of 18 as being legit, when in fact people below that age are sexually developed and active, and when much of mythology, history, and literature (e.g., Romeo and Juliet) portrays "lovers" below this age.
When the project breaks down because of bickering about creative differences, let me know.
If you do get it done, I'd be amused to see the results.
"A benevolent dictatorship is the ideal form of project management."
-- Apologies to John Carmack
Try the Betty Chevy clinic
I noticed that the main artcle calls her a CGI person. What does CGI stand for in this context?
Sad to say, in another 5 or 10 years people will be able to produce this on their own computers, and the government won't be able to stop them because it won't know they are doing it.
I think that at least in the uk, "pseudo-photographs" of child pornography are explicitly illegal. I suppose it is as true in the united states.
Yes I use 'puters during my day job..
Yes I have seen a bugs life..
Yes it was good animation..
Yes the story was done by a human director.. maybe not in the future.
Yes I have control of my puter ( power is in the back.. pull it out and it is under MY control..
Yes True acting should be done by TRUE humans..
Yes they do not ALWAYS answer curtain calls. LOL!
Yes the story is still by a human director!
My concern is that we wind up like the SciFi Asimov wrote about regarding the Robot Novels
(We DONT want to become the dirty SPACERS)..
In Japan there are alot of porn comics. I mean LOTS like whole bookstores full. Most bookstores have at least a couple of shelves full and nearly all newsstands, magazine racks carry at least 10 or more of the 60 or so monthly and bi-monthly comic style porn magazines.
Easily, 5 to 10 percent of the stories are about sex with children.
I don't know what the general opinion of that topic is in Japan but there was an article in an English/Japanese magazine about the pregnant teacher in America with her student lover. I don't remember the details of the story except that I think she went to prison and when she got out she got caught visiting him again.
Anyway, the article claimed that if such a thing happened in Japan it would not be a big deal at all and they had several reader comments printed with the article that claimed that if the two people are in love, the age doesn't matter even if one is 10 or 12 and the other is 30.
But, after that I asked one of my Japanese friends and she didn't agree. She thought it would be a big deal.
Another 5 percent of the stories are about taking a dump. Yuuucckk! Both types bother me but I still buy the books and magazines since each one has 8 to 12 stories in it and the rest of the stores don't feature those topics.
According the article in the January issue of Animage, sometime in 2001. Al Reinert, who worked
on Apollo 13, is one of the writers.
Interesting...
How bad would child porn be if you weren't harming any children in it's creation?
Just a thought from up here in Canada, where it's illegal to write a description of sexual acts involving children on a piece of paper, even if you never show it to anyone (I wish I was joking...)
Recent movies have been so lousy that no one seems to think about what real acting is.
Even if the cg mannequins were implemented perfectly they won't be human, there won't be that mental connection between the character and the audience.
A couple of weeks ago I was listening to a radio show about cloning. The guests were all academics. One guy finally made the point that everyone seems to miss -- why would people make clones, when it's expensive and difficult and not nearly as much fun as having sex?
So the question here is why would you spend a kazillion dollars to make phony cg people who move unnaturally (yes, I've seen characters who are modeled from video of real people) and whose voices are dubbed? Why not just film a person? It's a lot cheaper and easier, and the results are better. The first couple of movies that are all cg will do well because of the novelty. I'd go to see it. But over the long haul, it's an inefficient rube goldberg way to make movies.
If they think that a cg brad pitt is going to be competition for the real brad pitt, they've got a nasty surprise in store for them. Hollywood is full of beautiful people, but very few of them are stars. There's more to it than a face.
Rent there's something about mary, and look at cameron diaz's eyes. Think about modeling it, how complicated it is, how the way the move and flash is tied in perfectly with the rest of her facial expressions, which are in turn synced with the emotions of the scene and the reactions of the people opposite her.
They're not going to duplicate that in the forseeable future.
I've put the image up on my site. Now we get to see how well a 486-66 behind a 33.6k modem handles the Slashdot effect. ;)
If someone who's got some real bandwidth could grab it and re-mirror it, that would probably be good.
And I have to say... the image may not be perfect, but I've seen worse quality JPEGs of real people... If I hadn't known going in, I would have guessed that it was a real actress in a CGI scene. The one thing I did notice is that she hasn't got any finger/hand prints...
I'd love to see a GPL'd movie, but my feeling is that we'll never see anything of quality (longer than 30 min) come out.
But with an infinite amount of monkeys, er, programmers writing screenplay, we'll produce an infinite amount of screenplays/scripts/etc. Then it's just a matter of picking the best one!
Posted by Scott Francis[Mechaman]:
While you'll probably respond that you wouldn't watch cartoons; I dare you to watch a Miyazaki film, say Nausicaa, and reply that you wern't moved by it.
CG is just another medium to work in. Keep an open mind.
(Although improperly mixing CG with cell animation tends to look badly; Spielburg's Invasion America is a prime example of this.)
It looks like they cribbed their descriptions straight from rpgamer.com. Ah well. Shouldn't be too harsh on them, though--it's just a fluff story.
It's at least as illegal as making false statements about the product itself (such as selling plain water but labelling it "vodka"). It has nothing whatsoever to do with intellectual property.
I'm not sure though how the Swedish law on the subject relates to dead people. For some reason, celebrities don't seem to pop up in random commercials in Sweden as soon as they are dead, and I think that would count as false marketing anyway. Maybe this is a real problem in Britain?
While I may have my doubts about your claim, I think you would be interested in joining the Internet Movie Project established less than a year ago. Ok, that web page may look pretty beta, and don't expect a fast race, but there are some serious minds out there willing to spend part of their spare time scripting, modelling, directing, and rendering an entire movie using PoV-Ray. Look around and see if you want to contribute.
However, you could also check the initial project website at <URL:http://www.algonet.se/%7Ejhubert/Mov ieProject/> (that space is in the anchor text only, not in the actual URL) which still links to all the relevant material.
I'd rather not try to describe the project here, since I would be duplicating their own web info. Studio-quality? Yes, if you count television/video (as opposed to cinema) quality. GPL? No, but public enough for me. One has to register as a member in order to take part in the project, but much of it is visible to non-members as well. The distribution details haven't been worked out in detail, but as I understand it, the result will be made available for free (see the membership agreement for legal details).
As for high-quality script, I don't think you will be disappointed reading what has been done so far. I wasn't.
Realism is not achieved exclusively by the tool. The artist must participate the most.
If you have 10 million programmers, but no artists, it's rather like expecting 10 million monkeys to reproduce *Watership Down.*
(on the unlikely chance someone actually reads this...)
Would I hire someone who reads child porn as a sitter for my child? Irrelevant question. People don't get grabbed by kiddie porn and forced to read it, people who are sexually attracted to children seek it out. The rest of us look away in disgust, we don't become child molesters by viewing it. So of course a person who views it is more likely to be a child molester. The issue is whether, *given* a person with a sexual attraction to children, will they be even more likely to act on those desires if they read child porn. I say there's little or no evidence that this is the case.
Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
"If you supply a person with suggestions that it is ok to think of children in a sexual manner (though why anyone would want to is totally beyond me) then you will ultimately see a rise in the real thing."
But we're not doing that.
Assume that child pornography was legal and available at your local adult bookstore. Would you buy any? I doubt it, most of us wouldn't. Only those rare people for whom it's a turn-on would. So what effect would it have on them? Would viewing the pornography (presumably while engaging in self-gratification) satisfy their urges or stimulate them into kid-nabbing? I don't think you can definitively say one way or the other. Playing Doom, D&D, and wargames never spurred me to violence, for example.
Actually, I probably have seen a comic strip or two that would qualify as child porn in books about underground comic strips. Again, this in no way filled me with the desire to have sex with children.
Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
Its not CG it's Katherine, my old girlfriend (now married.) Overall I like how her face has a more friendly tone, considering what they could have done.
But I agree with another poster, the lighting seems to be created to cast the best light on the image. The more complex things like hair, etc... are in the dark, and her face and a cyber-phychedelic board are about all we see. Still i think it will be pretty fun to watch. I remember disliking Toy Story because the people looked more toy like than the toys.
And as far as connecting with the charectar, people connect with written charectars all the time. (I even get bewildered by those that seem to connect with Lara Croft. Rachel had some interesting things to say about her, being somewhat an athority herself... and I'll stop there.)
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So they couldn't convince a real woman to star as the a heroine in a movie so they synthesize one with computers and get men to act the movements. It reminds me of Elizabeth dole a little bit.
Yeah, maybe we'd actually get some porn with good looking women, instead of the usual revenge of the plastic balloon-boobed blonde bimbos.
"It must be silicon, 'cause flesh don't refuse to shake like that"
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What do you mean by "have a plot"? A plot to the story could be open-sourced (as per my Free Film Project). That's not a hinderance. If anything, I think it might produce better results, as the open nature of it would iron out flaws in the script which are so often glaring in the major (closed) film productions.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Actually, your joke illustrates one of the reasons I think a GPLed movie would be very successful - you can have multiple versions of the script, each evolving in parallel. Those versions that work & are popular will survive. Those that don't & aren't, won't.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
There'll be at least one mailing list, also starting soon, and a CVS repository.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
I'd check those numbers. According to various independent film making groups, you can make a full-length movie on $5,000, total. Yes, with real actors.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Why? Because people have a natural tendancy to drift to do what they're good at & enjoy. It's my belief that the =ARTISTS= will drift to doing the ARTS side, whilst the PROGRAMMERS drift to the PROGRAMMING/COMPUTING side.
Infinite Monkey problem negated.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
We've got BMRT and PoV-Ray, and probably far more computing power (when combined) than any studio. It should be possible to produce far more realistic people than any proprietary, closed environment could achieve.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Amazing picture. I'm mirroring a copy at http://www.css.tayloru.edu/~bbell/fan tasy.jpg.
Just to play Devil's Advocate, and not voicing any opinion one way or another (as I dont think that is necessary), are not laws such as those preventing the use of children in pornography designed to protect the children as individuals who would be used in such productions? In the case of using CGI actors there would be no child harmed directly by the production of such material.
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However, if your position is that the laws are to protect social decency and moral standards, then I would have to object, as such qualities are not (or should not) be legislatable when it comes to issues of creative production (whether you find child porno creative is irrelevant, it should still be considered an act of self-expression as all other forms of speech are protected).
Im sure Ill be flamed for this, but I dont feel the need to justify an argument based purely on principle.
Hey! I didnt bring it up
That's all I can say. Copy can be found (when the site gets /.ed) at my site that doesn't do much. Go easy on it please, only 64k upstream.
The only clue I had was the hair; that didn't look quite right.
But you know, while such realism might make CG-movies seem more real, it also takes away some of the charm. I'm sure that we've all seen "Toy Story" by now; tell me, would it have been the same if all the toys had looked any more realistic than they did? I think it would have.
Nonetheless, I'll be first in line to buy tickets to this movie. This is going to be cool...
The story said that the main character will look "like Brad Pitt". If this is successful, I wonder whether either Pitt or some future image-oriented actor will consider doing what the Princess Diana trust is now; i.e., having a 3D model made from photographs of their face and patented, so that they can sue those who replicate their image.
If the Diana people get away this, how long until we have entire business specialising in this process in one shop, from digitisation and modelling to patent submission?
The street finds its own uses for things.
Read about it at the BBC.
For my money the gal in the pic is very credible... but unlike the guy earlier I think that motion will not help hide detail, it will show up unrealistic physics and unnatural gracelessness.
or even south park:-)
Did you mount a military-grade, variable-focus MASER on an unlicensed artificial intelligence?
pretty darn close if you ask me.
.. you can't really see the hair, so I'll hold off judgement. The hand and the sleeve though, are pretty unrealistic. Still, I think that hands are harder to "get right" than faces, so I can understand.
The face is very good, the hair
This is going to be a severely cool movie..
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Wow, this is yet more stuff that makes me want to go work for Square once I get a degree or two.
It doesn't have to be perfect to work, just good enough to get the audience to buy into it. Look at Toy Story for an example: nobody would mistake any character in the movie for a real person, but you got involved and the movie worked.
And the graphic I saw looked way better than anything in Toy Story.
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Well that took less than 40 minutes to /. that server out of existence. It leaves me wondering what the record is. It might be interesting to monitor these sites' behavior as the /. effect takes its toll. Sort of like that post a few days ago that monitored it from the viewpoint of the server - but from the outside, maybe using pings and/or simple fetches every minute, and plotting response time. Slashdot itself could do this, then maybe add a little icon to the headline when the server goes down. It would be nifty to be able to click to see a graph describing the death of these unfortunate servers.
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Well that was quick.
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Your regurgitation of the party line sounds good, until you cross reference what you think you know with some facts.
A study last year found that conviceted child molesters were not as likely to molest again if they had a ready supply of child pornography.
The authors of the study reasoned that since it's difficult to reform people, and there's something about child molestors that is off-base, but unfixable, then the solution might be to find an outlet for their deviant behavior that didn't hurt anyone.
The state has confiscated a great deal of child porn. The children who were abused by it have already been abused. Further use of the child porn doesn't further hurt the children. Thus, existing stockpiles of child porn could be used for this.
Obviously, implementing something like this is way out of the question in current society. Even talking about it is somewhat taboo.
My point is that use of child porn does NOT necessarily cause child abuse. The general lesson to learn is QUESTION EVERYTHING!!!
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
Anybody have the image cached?
I got bored of the ff series right around 4. Tried the ffvii for psx and was bored in 20 minutes.
The shot is nice, but I really have a problem with game/movie sort of dealies (eg. Super Mario Bros. ack, Mortal Kombat suk, etc.)
Just hope Doom and Quake don't suffer the same fate...
signal, noise, to me it's all the same.
In this article it says the actors are completely computer generated - that nothing is scanned from humans. Then they tell you about how they put sensors on this guy and scanned in his movements!
The question isn't whether kiddy-porn is acceptable (by all social standards, it's not). The question is, is it so evil that we have to start prosecuting people for even thinking about it? Once we start going after thoughtcrime, it could be a slippery slope back to 1984...
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
DK-96 in Japan is the first (that I know of) completely computer generated character. FF's version is definately higher quality, but then DK-96 is going on 3 years old.
http://www.dhw.co.jp/horipro/ta lent/DK96/index_e.html
Yeah, games-turned-movies usually suck, but the Final Fantasy series is kind of a different case; it's open-ended. One game has nothing to do with another in the series. I get the feeling the only thing this movie will have in common with the Final Fantasy series is its name and the people who worked on it. It has the potential to be really, really good.
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At any rate, I'm looking forward to seeing the new Wing Commander movie this year, too.
All unfair meta-mods are now being meta-meta-modded as retarded.
From the article, they make it sound like motion capture is this great new idea. It's used in almost every sports video game nowadays.
I don't have a sig...Do you??
...but thought the plots were always quite, no, REALLY dumb. I must say that you can't do anything in the 'fantasy' genre through Live Action however, and have been waiting for a CGI fantasy for a while. I still think anime is the way to go, however, and think they'd be best NOT trying to make it completely realistic, ya know, make the characters look kinda strange on purpose so people can't say 'that doesn't look real!!!' I mean I'm sure half the posts here are in regards to her skin tone/all that metal shit that looks totally fake. Actually what I think the real problem is that they are spending too much time on the PEOPLE and not enough time on everything else. Then it turns into the same whole problem of doing fantasy with live action where the people and landscape looks real but the magic looks like crap. All in all I wish them luck, however, and hope the magic looks cool cuz I mean those magic effects were some of the only things keeping on until ff6 (No I don't have a PSX).
I mean in 4 you couldn't change anybody's class or anything and it just sucked out loud, but in FF5 they have this whole skill system where you can build up peoples strengths in different classes, almost as if you were playing as seperate classes, but then you can start building up strengths somewhere else so all in all it's a lot more flexible. I've only tried out the translated ROM, but I heard they re-made it and translated it for PSX or something. Now, I'm not saying that this at all makes FF7 or anything after it any better, but I truly think FF5 is the best in the FF series. And yes, I WOULD pay money for it IF they ported it to LINUX!!! (not an emu that runs in linux mind you, linux itself)
I'm not sure of the value of CG movies trying to create reality; its power is in realistically creating fiction...
There are reasons today why animated media can have a strength, value, and power that filmed media do not. It's particualarly hard in real life to coordinate lighting, atmosphere, humidity, and weather to get great dramatic moments in particularly beautiful places... CG will help there. For more mundane situations, CG can hide, alter, mask, and transform an alley in LA into an alley on an alien world, with alien culture, trash, and citizens.
And CG people are very well suited for special effects that cannot or should not be done in real life, for stunts, for amazing transformations... For those who watch anime, a life-action Ranma film could be made with real actors and their CG counterparts stepping in at appropriate moments for transformations, as well as during battle scenes, chi-attacks, etc. T2 used CG, but they accepted the limitations and made it part of their look... Future tense, CG should be able to make the morphing of 2 individuals flawless, so that future Spielbergs, Lucases, and others can populate their worlds with changelings, dopplegangers, mutants, superheros, and things only dreamed of on paper and animated media...
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When????!!!!
You can tell. Look at her sleeve. It is perfectly cylindrical. Also look at the smooth, symmetric texture of that sleeve. Then take a look at her hair.
However, this is a still. A moving picture would be better since you can't look at the details.