"Webkit", though, tells you nothing about codec support. Chrome and Safari, for instance, have pledged different sets of codec support.
If this is in response to my statement re: webkit, I was responding to someone who said Chrome and Safari's market penetration were not significant enough to be concerned about, and suggesting that was not the case. Or at least will not be the case here sometime soon. Yes, codecs is a separate issue.
But already more people *globally* use handhelds than computers, and the trend is to smartphones with richer content. This is why the big battle with Apple and Google is raging. Its not the desktop. Its not about today, and your group of friends, its about the future and everybody else.
Only a windows weenie would expect 10 year's of binary compatibility. Who the fuck cares? There's a lot that happens in 10 years. Let the distro do the updates and not worry about that kind of crap.
The real issues is. google publicized this. How many exchange servers, and others out there get cracked wide open, and nobody says anything. Either because they don't want anyone to know, or they haven't figured it out yet. People are naive to think otherwise. There are any number of "small" companies subject to the same kind of thing, from the same people, or worse.
Almost any MS product I can think of. Down time, bugs, configuration nightmares, virus replicator, rediculous hardware requirements, re-installation to fix "mysterious" problems, just to start with...
Think of the devastating blow to the world economy due to lost jobs, if MS fixed all their sh*t. There is a lot of pressure on them to keep producing inferior stuff. All for the good of the world economy.
If they didn't have innovative companies like Google, Apple, Sony, etc, etc, etc to lead the way, they would not have a business model at all.
Current model: wait for someone else to come up with a good idea, see if it makes money, imitate the innovator, use monopoly power to grab share of market, and if possible, overwhelm the innovators so they disappear as a future threat to the status quo (ie, MS hegemony).
Even if someone were to find an occasional bit of honesty from Microsoft, you still have to look at the 20+ years of deception, and write it off as an aberration. There is a corporate culture and history there of playing fast and loose with the rules, and placing their own self interests well above all else. Just say no.
Amen. There is nobody out there doing anything near what Google has done to improve the internet for all of us by providing free tools. Nobody. Of course, its in their own self interests to do so. But its in mine too.
Hmmm....a quick *google* search seems to turn up plenty of hits. And in fact, Google has been the primary benefactor for some time. The big question is now with Chrome, will they drop or reduce funding.
And every time you buy a MS product, you feed the beast. And before long just about everybody will be using that stuff, and thinkin' its the only game in town. Best to just say "no".
True. Successful in much the same way Al Capone was. If you can't out compete them legitimately, you do things like "cut off their oxygen supply". Or deliberately alter your OS code so competitor's products won't run on it. These people are unusually successfully in the low-blow business practices that got them to where they are, and now we pay the price (the royal "we") for overpriced, bloated products like MS Office, that effectively have no competition in some markets, and never will. And not because MS is smarter or codes better either. Only because MS and their fellow travellers do not want competition in those markets and get away with it, because they have a monopoly in the OS market. And because these are of course quite profitable (due to absence of competition).
This strikes me as a relatively minor feature enhancement to a technology largely developed and popularized by google. Without google doing the heavy lifting to get mapping integrated into search, it would either not exist at all now, or would be something much less than it is. MS is just following google's lead and trying to make a buck (or a billion or so bucks) off the real innovation done by others (google, keyhole (?), etc). The real innovation has been done. In the overall scheme of things this is a relatively minor enhancement. Once again, MS shows that is not a leader but a follower.
What they are really doing is typical MS MO: take some idea/feature developed largely by someone else, put a little different spin on it, then use their monopoly power to ram it down everyone's throat. And then they claim success based on market share. Bollocks.
Not at all. This is the MS legacy: install XP, then install Firefox (Chrome, Safari, whatever). But you can't uninstall IE, and if you never use it, its sitting there at 6. And the exploit does not require actively opening the browser, just that its installed. One more reason to run away from anything from MS.
How MS got away with claiming that the browser is so integral to the OS that it can't be uninstalled, is one of the great mysteries of the universe.
And then there was light... this is fucking great! Maybe there is Hope after all. Being a committed pessimistic, I feel the need for some restraint, but goddamit!
First, I can't see the need for a GUI or management tool. God gave us bash to make us happy and productive and we should use it. Managing a mix of sites, is an ideal use of scripting.
What we (small web dev company 100+ sites) do:
bazaar (bzr) for repos. I much prefer it to svn. Cleaner and smarter. Uses sftp by default. Create a repo: 'bzr init ; bzr add', and anyone with access to that system can co a copy.
Each developer checks out the devel code to their local systems. We have our nameservers set to handle custom naming, so like example.dev maps to 127.0.0.1. All the db stuff goes to a db server and everyone (in house and contractors), have access to that. Get to use all your desktop tools, etc. The windows guys have local versions of Apache and php, so everybody's happy on that end.
Next level is staging/testing. That server is a checkout of the repo. Clients have limited access.
When the time comes, a copy of the site is made, site is grepped for no-no's and FIXME's, the new code is "cleaned", and then copied to production. This is all scripted. Permissions are reset, development stuff (docs, fla's, psd's, etc) are removed. We have a naming scheme, so certain directories are blown away on the live site. The scripts issues some reminders of stuff to make sure get done at the last minute and post launch.
Loop, gotop(), and tweak script.
Who really cares what the guy says? This is the same bunch that is seriously challenged trying to come up with a coherent error message. They've got a 20+ year track record of deceitfulness, and at various points you have to be convinced that they would say absolutely anything just to get their way. Honesty, ethics, sincerity, human decency, you, me, be damned. How much weight can you give anything that comes out of their mouths?
As much as I love you guys, I don't get the outrage and angst. This is MS and there is nothing new here. They have thrived and spread their infection by being underhanded and surreptitious. Its their stock in trade. Its how they got where they are and how they hold on to their position. Just say no. Use something else. They've been a criminal organization since.... well since a very long time.
Now you know who you are dancing with. If the ethics bother you (and they should), change partners. If not, you are an enabler.
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"Webkit", though, tells you nothing about codec support. Chrome and Safari, for instance, have pledged different sets of codec support.
If this is in response to my statement re: webkit, I was responding to someone who said Chrome and Safari's market penetration were not significant enough to be concerned about, and suggesting that was not the case. Or at least will not be the case here sometime soon. Yes, codecs is a separate issue.
But already more people *globally* use handhelds than computers, and the trend is to smartphones with richer content. This is why the big battle with Apple and Google is raging. Its not the desktop. Its not about today, and your group of friends, its about the future and everybody else.
The future is handheld and webkit rules there. That's iphone|ipad, Android and Blackberry (soon).
Only a windows weenie would expect 10 year's of binary compatibility. Who the fuck cares? There's a lot that happens in 10 years. Let the distro do the updates and not worry about that kind of crap.
You and them.
The real issues is. google publicized this. How many exchange servers, and others out there get cracked wide open, and nobody says anything. Either because they don't want anyone to know, or they haven't figured it out yet. People are naive to think otherwise. There are any number of "small" companies subject to the same kind of thing, from the same people, or worse.
Almost any MS product I can think of. Down time, bugs, configuration nightmares, virus replicator, rediculous hardware requirements, re-installation to fix "mysterious" problems, just to start with ...
Think of the devastating blow to the world economy due to lost jobs, if MS fixed all their sh*t. There is a lot of pressure on them to keep producing inferior stuff. All for the good of the world economy.
If they didn't have innovative companies like Google, Apple, Sony, etc, etc, etc to lead the way, they would not have a business model at all. Current model: wait for someone else to come up with a good idea, see if it makes money, imitate the innovator, use monopoly power to grab share of market, and if possible, overwhelm the innovators so they disappear as a future threat to the status quo (ie, MS hegemony).
Even if someone were to find an occasional bit of honesty from Microsoft, you still have to look at the 20+ years of deception, and write it off as an aberration. There is a corporate culture and history there of playing fast and loose with the rules, and placing their own self interests well above all else. Just say no.
Amen. There is nobody out there doing anything near what Google has done to improve the internet for all of us by providing free tools. Nobody. Of course, its in their own self interests to do so. But its in mine too.
Hmmm....a quick *google* search seems to turn up plenty of hits. And in fact, Google has been the primary benefactor for some time. The big question is now with Chrome, will they drop or reduce funding.
And every time you buy a MS product, you feed the beast. And before long just about everybody will be using that stuff, and thinkin' its the only game in town. Best to just say "no".
True. Successful in much the same way Al Capone was. If you can't out compete them legitimately, you do things like "cut off their oxygen supply". Or deliberately alter your OS code so competitor's products won't run on it. These people are unusually successfully in the low-blow business practices that got them to where they are, and now we pay the price (the royal "we") for overpriced, bloated products like MS Office, that effectively have no competition in some markets, and never will. And not because MS is smarter or codes better either. Only because MS and their fellow travellers do not want competition in those markets and get away with it, because they have a monopoly in the OS market. And because these are of course quite profitable (due to absence of competition).
But where they do the worst, is where they have real competition, and where they do the best is where they have a sanctioned monoply.
This strikes me as a relatively minor feature enhancement to a technology largely developed and popularized by google. Without google doing the heavy lifting to get mapping integrated into search, it would either not exist at all now, or would be something much less than it is. MS is just following google's lead and trying to make a buck (or a billion or so bucks) off the real innovation done by others (google, keyhole (?), etc). The real innovation has been done. In the overall scheme of things this is a relatively minor enhancement. Once again, MS shows that is not a leader but a follower. What they are really doing is typical MS MO: take some idea/feature developed largely by someone else, put a little different spin on it, then use their monopoly power to ram it down everyone's throat. And then they claim success based on market share. Bollocks.
Not at all. This is the MS legacy: install XP, then install Firefox (Chrome, Safari, whatever). But you can't uninstall IE, and if you never use it, its sitting there at 6. And the exploit does not require actively opening the browser, just that its installed. One more reason to run away from anything from MS. How MS got away with claiming that the browser is so integral to the OS that it can't be uninstalled, is one of the great mysteries of the universe.
Sounds just like one more paid shill. If there's one thing MS has in copious amounts, its payoff money.
And then there was light ... this is fucking great! Maybe there is Hope after all. Being a committed pessimistic, I feel the need for some restraint, but goddamit!
First, I can't see the need for a GUI or management tool. God gave us bash to make us happy and productive and we should use it. Managing a mix of sites, is an ideal use of scripting. What we (small web dev company 100+ sites) do: bazaar (bzr) for repos. I much prefer it to svn. Cleaner and smarter. Uses sftp by default. Create a repo: 'bzr init ; bzr add', and anyone with access to that system can co a copy. Each developer checks out the devel code to their local systems. We have our nameservers set to handle custom naming, so like example.dev maps to 127.0.0.1. All the db stuff goes to a db server and everyone (in house and contractors), have access to that. Get to use all your desktop tools, etc. The windows guys have local versions of Apache and php, so everybody's happy on that end. Next level is staging/testing. That server is a checkout of the repo. Clients have limited access. When the time comes, a copy of the site is made, site is grepped for no-no's and FIXME's, the new code is "cleaned", and then copied to production. This is all scripted. Permissions are reset, development stuff (docs, fla's, psd's, etc) are removed. We have a naming scheme, so certain directories are blown away on the live site. The scripts issues some reminders of stuff to make sure get done at the last minute and post launch. Loop, gotop(), and tweak script.
For anyone who has actually run both, I'd love to hear a comparison.
.. who knows. They don't exactly have much of a track record in the honesty or integrity department. The one thing they do really well is hype.
Who really cares what the guy says? This is the same bunch that is seriously challenged trying to come up with a coherent error message. They've got a 20+ year track record of deceitfulness, and at various points you have to be convinced that they would say absolutely anything just to get their way. Honesty, ethics, sincerity, human decency, you, me, be damned. How much weight can you give anything that comes out of their mouths?
As much as I love you guys, I don't get the outrage and angst. This is MS and there is nothing new here. They have thrived and spread their infection by being underhanded and surreptitious. Its their stock in trade. Its how they got where they are and how they hold on to their position. Just say no. Use something else. They've been a criminal organization since .... well since a very long time.
Now you know who you are dancing with. If the ethics bother you (and they should), change partners. If not, you are an enabler.