So what do you make money from if I become a Google Fiber customer? That's what I'm concerned about. If it's just the fair-market cost of the service I'm paying for, then that's fine. If your noble stance hides the fact that you attach yourself to the fiber like a tick to suck value by monitoring my use of the service and selling that information to the highest bidder, then we have a problem.
Presumably you are in the US, and most service providers do some level of monitoring of individual connections. Nothing new. ANd then there's the NSA. Your life and all those little secrets is "That" close to being an open book.
Just wanted to add that I also used a current build of Ubuntu a couple months ago as well in case you missed that part of it.
Yea, I saw it. You probably feel using Linux like I do using windows "wtf is shit!". Nothing that I am used to, or care about. A lack of configration options. I have to install a bunch of stuff to make it half way usable, all from third party providers which mean they don't get updated with the system, and I only get one desktop (or have they fixed that one yet), the native networking and build tools just suck. Is there a native terminal application yet? I haven't tried 8, but that is lacking in 7. Why can apple put that kind of stuff with the OS and on Windows you get shit. Its broken by design. At least for me.
Tried Mac in 2013 for 6 months, not an awesome experience. Never freed up large amounts of memory unless i did it manually, adobe products temp files took up 130gb and not intuitive to find and delete, little things like single clicking on a long file name to see the whole file from the desk top or even finder was impossible. That was important to me since my photo file names are usually pretty long(Latename - date - sequence). It didnt work for the way that "I" work so it wasnt an option. Plus, bought the MBP maxed out for 2500, couldnt sell if for more than 1300. Complete waste of money and time for me.
If you didn't like it, you didn't like it, and that's fine... you should certainly work using whatever tools you feel most comfortable with. But your specific points I don't get.
He was using Linux in the early 90's. I am sure that was interesting. Great for networking tools and playing around with remote X sessions and multiple window managers and multiple desktops and Type 1 fonts, but compared to Windows.... well, yea, it was actually light years ahead. Windows was a crippled, buggy dog back then. After 20 years, they have gotten a lot of the bugs out.
The biggest threat to Apache is Apache. HTTPD 2.4 removed support for a number of operating systems and is tuned only for Linux. They've gone to the dark side and it's going to hurt them.
Combine that with nginx, varnish and lighttpd and there are several real choices in the *NIX world. There is no need to go Apache anymore. This will make them look bad for some time to come as people try out alternatives. I'm evaluating switching to nginx now. The configuration is much different, but in the end it should make things much better.
What are the "number of OS's"? It clearly supports windows versions > windows 2000 (which my guess is better than the most recent release of IIS). I feel pretty sure the BSD guys would find a way to get supported. So what else, Solaris? Whoops, no, looks like people are doing that somewhere. BeOS? Android?
If Apache looses ground, its primarily its reputation for memory and performance related issues.
Moodle has been around since 2002. its open source and pretty easy to install and maintain. Google classroom, like most other google apps, ablates the responsibility of servers, networking, and an IT staff and in turn allows educational institutions to experience the full wealth of googles Software As A Service. Just imagine, your proctoring a major exam when suddenly your application just disappears in a fashion not unlike the massive gmail outage on 1/24/14. Google has no technical support, no publically available points of contact and zero fucks to give about your students or your lesson plan because you arent the consumer, you're the product.
https://support.google.com/a/t... :
"Phone support is available for administrators of Google Apps for Business, Education, Government, and Nonprofit accounts." Not sure how that compares to their Google Apps for Business stuff, but that has gone from mediocre to pretty good.
I didn't loose anything in the great outage of 2014, despite having 3 gmail accts and using google docs with it. In fact, I've never lost a google doc in 6-7 years.
And when you hear rants like this, there never seems the possibility that something can disappear in other ways besides a "google outage", or some "cloud cluster fuck". Users never delete things accidentally, or rename them, dogs no longer eat homework, and non-cloud servers never seem to crash, or if they do, there is super-IT man at the ready, and the backups are alway good and easy to pull that one file out that no one can find all of a sudden, and no one ever overwrites a file with an older version, and of course no one would care to backup stuff thats in the google, or other, cloud even though the tech for that exists.
It's too bad the way Google shot their credibility to hell. A decade ago, there was boundless enthusiasm for everything google did, and now they've made it clear that they're trying to funnel you into their advertising-revenue-maximizing subsystems, regardless of what you actually want.
Kinda the way television, radio, newspapers and other media work, just on a bigger scale.
That's a little off-topic, but at the same time, I think comparing a surface to a Linux tablet makes more sense than comparing a Surface to an iPad or an Android tablet: The Surface is a full-featured PC in a tablet form factor, but iPad and Android are basically spiffed-up cell phones in a tablet form factor.
The problem for MS is that most consumers don't give a shit. There's not much value in "full featured PC's" any more.
this is horrible, imagine if they could build out for peak capacity in the right locations for the right times so there wouldn't be anymore rolling blackouts in july and august
That's rather narrow way of thinking. They companies that own transmission lines *already* know this information.
I wonder why they are paying the reported $40 per user then?
The difference between Microsoft and Facbook/Google is that Microsoft does not rely on advertising revenue to subsist. At Microsoft, profits from Windows/Office/Enterprise are subsidizing Bing. At Facebook/Google profits from advertising are subsidizing everything else.
That's not for lack of trying by MS though. They've just failed miserably at it.
If you don't think Excel is widely used for all sorts of meaningless crap across a wide array of corporate and non-corporate jobs you're being willfully ignorant.
Corporate world sure, everywhere else is a maybe sometimes, which is a long way from "almost everyone", which is just ridiculous. That comes from people who live in a corporate world and thinks everyone else does too. Not. There are tons of people in the non-corporate world who don't even need a spreadsheet for anything. And some who do, that don't use Excel.
Because, unfortunately in some regards, (almost) everyone uses Excel for EVERYTHING. Most people outside of Slashdot could probably name one Database program (Microsoft Access) that they've heard of, and I'm willing to bet most of them don't know how to use it.
I don't see a smiley so I guess this is meant to be serious. You must be stuck in one shit hole corporate job somewhere if you think that about Excel. You are wrong on databases too. I'd say most people couldn't name any, and why should they? 2 of 2, nice.
I originally bought my 920 for just the camera; I have kids so I wanted to have a good camera at all times.
It wound up being better then the iPhone in a lot of ways, and now with the update (yes, I went to the developer preview mode) it's actually far better than iPhone or Android. And I have a Galaxy S4 I use for work, so it's not for lack of trying everything.
The only quip I have right now is the way that associations for things are handles (open with), but I think there has been some work done here, apps just have to take advantage of it.
Yea, maybe its got it all covered, but why are they always last to the party? Why does it take years? It looks like they wait for other people to have an idea, then imitate that. Give me somebody who is looking ahead and not back, please. Tiles? Please, not enough people care that it makes a difference.
Using Google Sheets for business purposes shows a serious lack of technical knowledge.
I'm guessing you think Excel is a way to look at rows of a database in the form of a CSV, in which case... you're doing it wrong across the board.
Nonsense. Actually I was thinking in terms of sharing information and real time editing and collaboration. Those are the big advantages. We moved past that static document thing a while back.
Emailing spreadsheets or docs is 1990's technology. Its the 90's equivalent of "sneaker net" at that, for people that haven't figured out there's a better way to share information. How do you guys with all that "technical knowledge" have multiple people in multiple locations edit the same file at the same time? I hope you don't use email for that too. That would suck from both productivity and data integrity standpoints.
Well said!
There is a big difference between holding a phone vertically at eye hight (=most probably taking a picture) and the diagonal position used to crush candy or communicate via text or do other stuff.
I think it is a sign on the wall that 99% of the criticism is about taking pictures and only 1% about things like distraction and so forth. It is all about consent and not knowing if someone is (not) taking a picture. And even if the wearer is not actively engaged in taking pictures, remote access tools might be able to take over. There is a reason I got the webcam taped off on my laptop...
I just simply fail to see why a webcam strapped to a face is a nice idea.
It's not only about taking pictures and video without consent, it is about the device doing it being connected to the immense data collection machine that is Google, with capabilities to aggregate and correlate, track and face-recognize.
So in a couple of years when the technology is embedded in lapel pins or other subtle wearables, and they are "always on", what do we do, ban jewelry and clothing accessories? This is like horse owners complaining about them new fangled motorized carriages because they are loud, dangerous and the money all goes to Detroit. Its just humans being humans.
Small-time admins maybe. If one works as part of a larger team, automation and documentation is king - any such backdoors would get anyone into trouble, quick.
I guess you have a definition of "small time", but I am thinking of alleged Chinese theft of Google source code. The "backdoor" was IE and very clever phishing.
The car costs $30,000, sir. But we throw in the engine for free!
The MS equivalent car is 20K, but breaks down more frequently, warranty sucks, guzzles gas, and has a funny smell that won't go away. So the 30K is a better value, and less cost over the product lifetime.
Of course, there is also the chance "Satoshi Nakamoto" is a pseudonym, but that raises the question why someone who wishes to remain anonymous would choose such a distinctive name.
But not the question why someone who wished to remain anonymous would chose his own name.
Exactly! Not even a moron would use their own name to conceal their identity.
No, it means Microsoft shareholders should buy some Google stock...
It actually means Ballmer has left the building, and reality is staring them in the face. They've spent too much time fucking themselves. And now it don't feel so good.
Agree. And then there is the integrated Bing, Outlook.com, inferior maps, and all the other "goodies" that aren't as good as the Google services you get on a $50 PAYGO Android phone.
Just wondering if I could plug it into my Linux desktop, and copy files to/from easily or do I have to play for MS crapware to fully use. Just wondering, don't know, but that's part of the appeal for android for me, its pretty platform neutral. Including development tools.
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So what do you make money from if I become a Google Fiber customer? That's what I'm concerned about. If it's just the fair-market cost of the service I'm paying for, then that's fine. If your noble stance hides the fact that you attach yourself to the fiber like a tick to suck value by monitoring my use of the service and selling that information to the highest bidder, then we have a problem.
Presumably you are in the US, and most service providers do some level of monitoring of individual connections. Nothing new. ANd then there's the NSA. Your life and all those little secrets is "That" close to being an open book.
Just wanted to add that I also used a current build of Ubuntu a couple months ago as well in case you missed that part of it.
Yea, I saw it. You probably feel using Linux like I do using windows "wtf is shit!". Nothing that I am used to, or care about. A lack of configration options. I have to install a bunch of stuff to make it half way usable, all from third party providers which mean they don't get updated with the system, and I only get one desktop (or have they fixed that one yet), the native networking and build tools just suck. Is there a native terminal application yet? I haven't tried 8, but that is lacking in 7. Why can apple put that kind of stuff with the OS and on Windows you get shit. Its broken by design. At least for me.
Tried Mac in 2013 for 6 months, not an awesome experience. Never freed up large amounts of memory unless i did it manually, adobe products temp files took up 130gb and not intuitive to find and delete, little things like single clicking on a long file name to see the whole file from the desk top or even finder was impossible. That was important to me since my photo file names are usually pretty long(Latename - date - sequence). It didnt work for the way that "I" work so it wasnt an option. Plus, bought the MBP maxed out for 2500, couldnt sell if for more than 1300. Complete waste of money and time for me.
If you didn't like it, you didn't like it, and that's fine... you should certainly work using whatever tools you feel most comfortable with. But your specific points I don't get.
He was using Linux in the early 90's. I am sure that was interesting. Great for networking tools and playing around with remote X sessions and multiple window managers and multiple desktops and Type 1 fonts, but compared to Windows .... well, yea, it was actually light years ahead. Windows was a crippled, buggy dog back then. After 20 years, they have gotten a lot of the bugs out.
The biggest threat to Apache is Apache. HTTPD 2.4 removed support for a number of operating systems and is tuned only for Linux. They've gone to the dark side and it's going to hurt them.
Combine that with nginx, varnish and lighttpd and there are several real choices in the *NIX world. There is no need to go Apache anymore. This will make them look bad for some time to come as people try out alternatives. I'm evaluating switching to nginx now. The configuration is much different, but in the end it should make things much better.
What are the "number of OS's"? It clearly supports windows versions > windows 2000 (which my guess is better than the most recent release of IIS). I feel pretty sure the BSD guys would find a way to get supported. So what else, Solaris? Whoops, no, looks like people are doing that somewhere. BeOS? Android? If Apache looses ground, its primarily its reputation for memory and performance related issues.
Moodle has been around since 2002. its open source and pretty easy to install and maintain. Google classroom, like most other google apps, ablates the responsibility of servers, networking, and an IT staff and in turn allows educational institutions to experience the full wealth of googles Software As A Service. Just imagine, your proctoring a major exam when suddenly your application just disappears in a fashion not unlike the massive gmail outage on 1/24/14. Google has no technical support, no publically available points of contact and zero fucks to give about your students or your lesson plan because you arent the consumer, you're the product.
https://support.google.com/a/t... : "Phone support is available for administrators of Google Apps for Business, Education, Government, and Nonprofit accounts." Not sure how that compares to their Google Apps for Business stuff, but that has gone from mediocre to pretty good. I didn't loose anything in the great outage of 2014, despite having 3 gmail accts and using google docs with it. In fact, I've never lost a google doc in 6-7 years. And when you hear rants like this, there never seems the possibility that something can disappear in other ways besides a "google outage", or some "cloud cluster fuck". Users never delete things accidentally, or rename them, dogs no longer eat homework, and non-cloud servers never seem to crash, or if they do, there is super-IT man at the ready, and the backups are alway good and easy to pull that one file out that no one can find all of a sudden, and no one ever overwrites a file with an older version, and of course no one would care to backup stuff thats in the google, or other, cloud even though the tech for that exists.
It's too bad the way Google shot their credibility to hell. A decade ago, there was boundless enthusiasm for everything google did, and now they've made it clear that they're trying to funnel you into their advertising-revenue-maximizing subsystems, regardless of what you actually want.
Kinda the way television, radio, newspapers and other media work, just on a bigger scale.
Think through very carefully your proposition. Volunteer teachers would be ideologues.
Pretty sure that was making a point with sarcasm. And I think making a valid point.
Dear Sir, I feel pretty sure this is a stock feature of iOS since 7.0, or maybe 7.1. Chrome is enjoyng sloppy seconds on this one.
That's a little off-topic, but at the same time, I think comparing a surface to a Linux tablet makes more sense than comparing a Surface to an iPad or an Android tablet: The Surface is a full-featured PC in a tablet form factor, but iPad and Android are basically spiffed-up cell phones in a tablet form factor.
The problem for MS is that most consumers don't give a shit. There's not much value in "full featured PC's" any more.
this is horrible, imagine if they could build out for peak capacity in the right locations for the right times so there wouldn't be anymore rolling blackouts in july and august
That's rather narrow way of thinking. They companies that own transmission lines *already* know this information.
I wonder why they are paying the reported $40 per user then?
Google makes money from people's privacy so what protections do we have?
Bigger, higher tech tinfoil hats, or use some other product.
The difference between Microsoft and Facbook/Google is that Microsoft does not rely on advertising revenue to subsist. At Microsoft, profits from Windows/Office/Enterprise are subsidizing Bing. At Facebook/Google profits from advertising are subsidizing everything else.
That's not for lack of trying by MS though. They've just failed miserably at it.
If you don't think Excel is widely used for all sorts of meaningless crap across a wide array of corporate and non-corporate jobs you're being willfully ignorant.
Corporate world sure, everywhere else is a maybe sometimes, which is a long way from "almost everyone", which is just ridiculous. That comes from people who live in a corporate world and thinks everyone else does too. Not. There are tons of people in the non-corporate world who don't even need a spreadsheet for anything. And some who do, that don't use Excel.
Because, unfortunately in some regards, (almost) everyone uses Excel for EVERYTHING. Most people outside of Slashdot could probably name one Database program (Microsoft Access) that they've heard of, and I'm willing to bet most of them don't know how to use it.
I don't see a smiley so I guess this is meant to be serious. You must be stuck in one shit hole corporate job somewhere if you think that about Excel. You are wrong on databases too. I'd say most people couldn't name any, and why should they? 2 of 2, nice.
I originally bought my 920 for just the camera; I have kids so I wanted to have a good camera at all times.
It wound up being better then the iPhone in a lot of ways, and now with the update (yes, I went to the developer preview mode) it's actually far better than iPhone or Android. And I have a Galaxy S4 I use for work, so it's not for lack of trying everything.
The only quip I have right now is the way that associations for things are handles (open with), but I think there has been some work done here, apps just have to take advantage of it.
Yea, maybe its got it all covered, but why are they always last to the party? Why does it take years? It looks like they wait for other people to have an idea, then imitate that. Give me somebody who is looking ahead and not back, please. Tiles? Please, not enough people care that it makes a difference.
Closed source was always safer.
One word for you: Microsoft. Maybe two: Adobe.
Using Google Sheets for business purposes shows a serious lack of technical knowledge.
I'm guessing you think Excel is a way to look at rows of a database in the form of a CSV, in which case ... you're doing it wrong across the board.
Nonsense. Actually I was thinking in terms of sharing information and real time editing and collaboration. Those are the big advantages. We moved past that static document thing a while back. Emailing spreadsheets or docs is 1990's technology. Its the 90's equivalent of "sneaker net" at that, for people that haven't figured out there's a better way to share information. How do you guys with all that "technical knowledge" have multiple people in multiple locations edit the same file at the same time? I hope you don't use email for that too. That would suck from both productivity and data integrity standpoints.
The portability, sharing and collaboration of Gdocs is light years ahead of the others. Nobody I know gives a rats ass about "professional" editing.
Well said! There is a big difference between holding a phone vertically at eye hight (=most probably taking a picture) and the diagonal position used to crush candy or communicate via text or do other stuff. I think it is a sign on the wall that 99% of the criticism is about taking pictures and only 1% about things like distraction and so forth. It is all about consent and not knowing if someone is (not) taking a picture. And even if the wearer is not actively engaged in taking pictures, remote access tools might be able to take over. There is a reason I got the webcam taped off on my laptop... I just simply fail to see why a webcam strapped to a face is a nice idea.
It's not only about taking pictures and video without consent, it is about the device doing it being connected to the immense data collection machine that is Google, with capabilities to aggregate and correlate, track and face-recognize.
So in a couple of years when the technology is embedded in lapel pins or other subtle wearables, and they are "always on", what do we do, ban jewelry and clothing accessories? This is like horse owners complaining about them new fangled motorized carriages because they are loud, dangerous and the money all goes to Detroit. Its just humans being humans.
Small-time admins maybe. If one works as part of a larger team, automation and documentation is king - any such backdoors would get anyone into trouble, quick.
I guess you have a definition of "small time", but I am thinking of alleged Chinese theft of Google source code. The "backdoor" was IE and very clever phishing.
The car costs $30,000, sir. But we throw in the engine for free!
The MS equivalent car is 20K, but breaks down more frequently, warranty sucks, guzzles gas, and has a funny smell that won't go away. So the 30K is a better value, and less cost over the product lifetime.
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Of course, there is also the chance "Satoshi Nakamoto" is a pseudonym, but that raises the question why someone who wishes to remain anonymous would choose such a distinctive name.
But not the question why someone who wished to remain anonymous would chose his own name.
Exactly! Not even a moron would use their own name to conceal their identity.
No, it means Microsoft shareholders should buy some Google stock...
It actually means Ballmer has left the building, and reality is staring them in the face. They've spent too much time fucking themselves. And now it don't feel so good.
LOL, Microsoft can't even give Windows Phone away. Just like Linux on the desktop.
(What, you were expecting your prejudices to be catered to? Too bad.)
Why would MS event want to give LInux on the desktop away? Its already "Free". They'd probably fuck it up anyway.
Agree. And then there is the integrated Bing, Outlook.com, inferior maps, and all the other "goodies" that aren't as good as the Google services you get on a $50 PAYGO Android phone.
Just wondering if I could plug it into my Linux desktop, and copy files to/from easily or do I have to play for MS crapware to fully use. Just wondering, don't know, but that's part of the appeal for android for me, its pretty platform neutral. Including development tools.