1. trying to get the troll mod removed by threatening more trolling, in the process trolling 2. confusing "modding down" with censorship 3. a fox news apologist
I'm not quite sure if you're making trolls look bad or making fox news fans look bad.
Sounds good, but the name "Scientology" also sounds like something reasonable and look how that turned out. A "Church of common sense" might in reality be some type of death cult where I give them all my live savings and they boil me alive to remove evil pirate ghosts from spiritual hotdogs that are following me around.
Oops, sorry, that would again be scientology. The level of knowledge of the pirate ghost hot dogs is $900,000, their collection agents will be contacting all of us shortly.
Yeah, cut your nose off to spite your face. That's a good plan. It'll really show them who's boss!My bet: you talk big, but you won't actually modify your behavior (iow: either you already don't buy movies, or you'll keep buying at the same rate).
Who said anything about efficiency? He sounds like he doesn't care whether or not they change, he's just not going to support them. And "I'm not going to buy movies" isn't "big talk."
On the contrary, the nervous system is formed in humans within three days, before any woman would even notice being pregnant. In fact, the ectodermal cells that are the undifferentiated neurons destined to become the nervous system are in place and begin their morphological formation before implantation into the uterine wall.
Formed within three days? Are you sure? Can you point to the nervous system on this 3 day old human embryo?
You appear to have meant three -weeks-. And not -formed- but -specified-. The neural ectoderm is specified and begins to form the neural tube that will make the brain and spinal cord. It doesn't do it instantly either. There is still brain development after birth in humans. It has definitely not "formed" in three days.
Yes. Showing people biological facts with new technology. How terrible pro-lifers must be.
Anti-abortion ads are pretty short on actual biological facts and long on pathos and shock value. -Some- pro-lifers are terrible because they clearly get off on using facts to make desperate people feel worse about themselves, and feeling self-righteous.
Some, not most. It's easy to get annoyed with a whole movement based on a fringe asshole minority.
It is funny that your post is modded as insightful. I think you and I both know what this technology will be used for.
This is just a screening process. So foetuses that will have any sign of cardiovascular abnormalities will be aborted. It will become just another in a round of tests that determine if a foetus will be aborted or get to live.
Yes, this is technology that can be used for something some people don't like. That makes it bad.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to use this computer and this internet to hack into a bank and steal someone's life savings, then I'll go to a lab and make a killer virus and clone some serial killers. Then probably come back home and use my stolen money to buy some child porn and upload it with the previously used internet. Then I might take a nap... an EVIL nap.
You can get arbitrarily good images of fixed (dead) embryos, but live imaging using any method is damn tough, and live 3D imaging at this resolution is, as far as I know, unprecedented.
Not really. Well, only if you take a very mammal-centric view: chicken and zebrafish embryos are extremely easy to image in much, much higher resolution. It's also possible to do live imaging on partially dissected embryonic tissues. I make live slices of chicken embryos and watch subcellular organelles move around under an automated microscope with much better resolution than this study.
Granted, that wouldn't be of any theraputic value in humans, but live imaging is not unprecedented.
I can think of quite a few more problems — such as subjecting the newly-forming tissue to the high amounts of whatever energy is used in this particular kind of tomography. Getting close enough to the heart of a human embryo may also prove more problematic, than in the case of mice.
There is some evidence that ultrasound might disturb brain cells. Of course, they left the ultrasound on the pregnant mouse for half an hour, as I understand it a lot longer than a normal ultrasound session, and it wasn't a profound effect, the brain layers were largely undisturbed. No idea though how much of an effect on brain function that would cause.
I guess this technique uses light instead of sound though? Anyone know what the intensity of the light they're shining in would be? The heart initially forms before the retina does, but if they're using this to diagnose later developmental problems in the late term, and -if- this is a lot of light, I'd worry about frying photoreceptors.
Not to mention the localization issues. The one time I used tor, loading up google gave me a brief scare when it appeared in Cyrillic. For a split second I though I had somehow accessed some secret KGB google.
Subsequent split seconds were spent laughing at that first though.
I will not comply with this state of mind that says I have to be open with my life, that I must post everything I do to my Twitter account(which I refuse to make) and that I must make blog posts about Britney Spears and my dog. If I want someone to know what I am doing, and I feel they will care, I will call them or meet them in person and carry on a conversation with them until we each feel that what we have to say is finished. I will not live my life through Facebook.
Yes, why do on facebook that which you just as easily do on slashdot? Your facebook status ranting about how you don't need to broadcast on facebook can't be modded up.
We can avoid any more Portal references for the rest of the discussion.
Yes, now we can get back to the simpsons references, notifications of not being a lawyer, car metaphors, MS bashing, and the inevitable hitler reference.
On the other hand, I believe a highly motivated slashdotter can complete a thread without godwining while enduring the most intense physical pain.
About the cartoon episode – I think that it proves a point. The USA lacks a collective guilt over its foreign policy. I am not saying this is a bad thing. Citizens of other countries and groups do however have a collective guilt (or expected to have) over things that they had no direct influence in (e.g. Germany in WW2). This is clearly not a good thing.
So it proves a point, but you don't think it is a good one?
Those of us who tried to stop the Iraq war but couldn't -shouldn't- feel guilt for the foreign policy of others, are we agreed on that? You can't stop the government from destroying your culture, you don't feel responsible for that do you?
In the middle Ages wars were limited to the armies that the ruling elite could raise – and therefore they weren’t as big and as vicious. This changed in a large part with Napoleon who raised extremely large armies by conscription.... But that doesn’t mean that we have become more moral – I personally think that we have become less moral. We have fewer wars because of economic and other factors – not because of a change of heart.
I think it's helpful to keep in mind what I was talking about originally: the people who claim we have lost our moral standing since the '50s. We had industrialized war before that, and since the '50s, the wars we have had often are less damaging.
You're right that it may be mostly due to economic factors, but I did point out that more people were opposed to war now than they were in the past, before the '50s.
I notice you didn't sufficiently motivate your government to stop the US government from invading Iraq, yet you talk as if you think you're not just as responsible as I am for what happened.
I don't have a cartoon episode to reference to help illustrate my point though, so I suppose that might not be quite up to your standards.
Libertarians, in general, feel they are superior to everyone else.
I dislike libertarianism as much as the next non-libertarian, but I do have to say that's not quite fair. EVERYONE feels superior to everyone else if they're being honest. Except me, I don't think I'm superior to everyone else, I alone am not deluded like everyone else, because I'm smarter. My unparalleled sexiness probably doesn't hurt my lack of self delusions either.
Here are the problems with immortal caterpillars... If they behead eachother, do they gain in strength? Do they ever turn into moths/butterflies, or do they maintain immortality by staying in caterpillar form?
So... we're not talking about the bulldozers? Well consider ME dissapointed. My bulldozer breaks down WAY too much.
No no no, the suprise is that -hotel maids- are teh 1337 haxorz.
I guess it couldn't be TOO bad, whenever I forget to put the "do not disturb" sign on my hotel room when I leave, the maids usually don't steal my stuff, they just neatly organize it. If they sneak into my computer, they'd probably defrag the hard drive and that's about it.
You think that's bad, my cats got an e-mail from a nigerian scammer promising a cheeseburger, they mailed my credit card, social security card, passport, and library card to him.
(They were hoping the library card would get them pickles.)
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So you're
1. trying to get the troll mod removed by threatening more trolling, in the process trolling
2. confusing "modding down" with censorship
3. a fox news apologist
I'm not quite sure if you're making trolls look bad or making fox news fans look bad.
who's up for a Church of Common Sense?
Sounds good, but the name "Scientology" also sounds like something reasonable and look how that turned out. A "Church of common sense" might in reality be some type of death cult where I give them all my live savings and they boil me alive to remove evil pirate ghosts from spiritual hotdogs that are following me around.
Oops, sorry, that would again be scientology. The level of knowledge of the pirate ghost hot dogs is $900,000, their collection agents will be contacting all of us shortly.
Yeah, cut your nose off to spite your face. That's a good plan. It'll really show them who's boss!My bet: you talk big, but you won't actually modify your behavior (iow: either you already don't buy movies, or you'll keep buying at the same rate).
Who said anything about efficiency? He sounds like he doesn't care whether or not they change, he's just not going to support them. And "I'm not going to buy movies" isn't "big talk."
Probably people that think it's some limited promotion to create buzz, then start charging once the demand coming it.
No, it's just some of us weren't able to complete our "AOL trial CD" thrones before AOL got stingy.
Assuming all the conspiracy theorists can be convinced it's true, at least this means I'll be dead before this idiocy crops up again.
You're going to be dead before "2012" hits DVD?
Yes, that's right, the DVD release will probably unleash another, smaller wave of it even if it were released mid-2013.
On the contrary, the nervous system is formed in humans within three days, before any woman would even notice being pregnant. In fact, the ectodermal cells that are the undifferentiated neurons destined to become the nervous system are in place and begin their morphological formation before implantation into the uterine wall.
Formed within three days? Are you sure? Can you point to the nervous system on this 3 day old human embryo?
You appear to have meant three -weeks-. And not -formed- but -specified-. The neural ectoderm is specified and begins to form the neural tube that will make the brain and spinal cord. It doesn't do it instantly either. There is still brain development after birth in humans. It has definitely not "formed" in three days.
Yes. Showing people biological facts with new technology. How terrible pro-lifers must be.
Anti-abortion ads are pretty short on actual biological facts and long on pathos and shock value. -Some- pro-lifers are terrible because they clearly get off on using facts to make desperate people feel worse about themselves, and feeling self-righteous.
Some, not most. It's easy to get annoyed with a whole movement based on a fringe asshole minority.
It is funny that your post is modded as insightful. I think you and I both know what this technology will be used for.
This is just a screening process. So foetuses that will have any sign of cardiovascular abnormalities will be aborted. It will become just another in a round of tests that determine if a foetus will be aborted or get to live.
Yes, this is technology that can be used for something some people don't like. That makes it bad.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to use this computer and this internet to hack into a bank and steal someone's life savings, then I'll go to a lab and make a killer virus and clone some serial killers. Then probably come back home and use my stolen money to buy some child porn and upload it with the previously used internet. Then I might take a nap... an EVIL nap.
That was a lot creepier than I meant it to be. "Humans" should have also been in bold.
You can get arbitrarily good images of fixed (dead) embryos, but live imaging using any method is damn tough, and live 3D imaging at this resolution is, as far as I know, unprecedented.
Not really. Well, only if you take a very mammal-centric view: chicken and zebrafish embryos are extremely easy to image in much, much higher resolution. It's also possible to do live imaging on partially dissected embryonic tissues. I make live slices of chicken embryos and watch subcellular organelles move around under an automated microscope with much better resolution than this study.
Granted, that wouldn't be of any theraputic value in humans, but live imaging is not unprecedented.
I can think of quite a few more problems — such as subjecting the newly-forming tissue to the high amounts of whatever energy is used in this particular kind of tomography. Getting close enough to the heart of a human embryo may also prove more problematic, than in the case of mice.
There is some evidence that ultrasound might disturb brain cells. Of course, they left the ultrasound on the pregnant mouse for half an hour, as I understand it a lot longer than a normal ultrasound session, and it wasn't a profound effect, the brain layers were largely undisturbed. No idea though how much of an effect on brain function that would cause.
I guess this technique uses light instead of sound though? Anyone know what the intensity of the light they're shining in would be? The heart initially forms before the retina does, but if they're using this to diagnose later developmental problems in the late term, and -if- this is a lot of light, I'd worry about frying photoreceptors.
nice e-peen. 720p ought to be enough for just about anybody.
You mean e-heart, and if you ask me 720 pumps (per minute) is WAY too much.
Not to mention the localization issues. The one time I used tor, loading up google gave me a brief scare when it appeared in Cyrillic. For a split second I though I had somehow accessed some secret KGB google.
Subsequent split seconds were spent laughing at that first though.
So you shouldn't use it if you don't want to be a Tor-get of investigation? :>
That was torrible.
I have been on /. since it launched (yeah, back then we nerds were quite resistant to ever creating logins for sites, hence my non-low account ID)
And yet you seem remarkably self-conscious about it since losing that fight...
I will not comply with this state of mind that says I have to be open with my life, that I must post everything I do to my Twitter account(which I refuse to make) and that I must make blog posts about Britney Spears and my dog. If I want someone to know what I am doing, and I feel they will care, I will call them or meet them in person and carry on a conversation with them until we each feel that what we have to say is finished. I will not live my life through Facebook.
Yes, why do on facebook that which you just as easily do on slashdot? Your facebook status ranting about how you don't need to broadcast on facebook can't be modded up.
Um... that's TFA. It wasn't hard to find. :/
It's in TFA: it has been empirically demonstrated that accessing it is impossible for most people commenting.
We can avoid any more Portal references for the rest of the discussion.
Yes, now we can get back to the simpsons references, notifications of not being a lawyer, car metaphors, MS bashing, and the inevitable hitler reference.
On the other hand, I believe a highly motivated slashdotter can complete a thread without godwining while enduring the most intense physical pain.
Okay, NOW the portal references are done.
About the cartoon episode – I think that it proves a point. The USA lacks a collective guilt over its foreign policy. I am not saying this is a bad thing. Citizens of other countries and groups do however have a collective guilt (or expected to have) over things that they had no direct influence in (e.g. Germany in WW2). This is clearly not a good thing.
So it proves a point, but you don't think it is a good one?
Those of us who tried to stop the Iraq war but couldn't -shouldn't- feel guilt for the foreign policy of others, are we agreed on that? You can't stop the government from destroying your culture, you don't feel responsible for that do you?
In the middle Ages wars were limited to the armies that the ruling elite could raise – and therefore they weren’t as big and as vicious. This changed in a large part with Napoleon who raised extremely large armies by conscription....
But that doesn’t mean that we have become more moral – I personally think that we have become less moral. We have fewer wars because of economic and other factors – not because of a change of heart.
I think it's helpful to keep in mind what I was talking about originally: the people who claim we have lost our moral standing since the '50s. We had industrialized war before that, and since the '50s, the wars we have had often are less damaging.
You're right that it may be mostly due to economic factors, but I did point out that more people were opposed to war now than they were in the past, before the '50s.
That is what I like about the USA. They can go to war and still not be responsible for it. It is exactly like this South Park: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I'm_a_Little_Bit_Country [wikipedia.org]
I notice you didn't sufficiently motivate your government to stop the US government from invading Iraq, yet you talk as if you think you're not just as responsible as I am for what happened.
I don't have a cartoon episode to reference to help illustrate my point though, so I suppose that might not be quite up to your standards.
Libertarians, in general, feel they are superior to everyone else.
I dislike libertarianism as much as the next non-libertarian, but I do have to say that's not quite fair. EVERYONE feels superior to everyone else if they're being honest. Except me, I don't think I'm superior to everyone else, I alone am not deluded like everyone else, because I'm smarter. My unparalleled sexiness probably doesn't hurt my lack of self delusions either.
Here are the problems with immortal caterpillars... If they behead eachother, do they gain in strength? Do they ever turn into moths/butterflies, or do they maintain immortality by staying in caterpillar form?
So... we're not talking about the bulldozers? Well consider ME dissapointed. My bulldozer breaks down WAY too much.
No no no, the suprise is that -hotel maids- are teh 1337 haxorz.
I guess it couldn't be TOO bad, whenever I forget to put the "do not disturb" sign on my hotel room when I leave, the maids usually don't steal my stuff, they just neatly organize it. If they sneak into my computer, they'd probably defrag the hard drive and that's about it.
You think that's bad, my cats got an e-mail from a nigerian scammer promising a cheeseburger, they mailed my credit card, social security card, passport, and library card to him.
(They were hoping the library card would get them pickles.)
Unfortunately, humans are quite stupid.
Compared to? Cats? An alien race you know of but the rest of us don't? A cherrypicked group of humans?