Mosfet's not talking about a new directory for every little application. He's talking about moving out stuff like KDE and GNOME. So instead of just having/usr/bin in your $PATH, you would also include/opt/gnome/bin and/or/opt/kde/bin. Yes, this makes your path a bit larger, but unmanagable? Hardly.
I just checked on one of my PCs that has KDE2 installed (from the RH 7.2 RPMs), and there are over 200 files that match/usr/bin/k*. The only one that wasn't a part of KDE was ksh. My/usr/bin has 1948 files in it. There's a 10% reduction with one change. I don't have GNOME installed on this box, so a similar comparison isn't really possible. However, I imagine that the number would be similar if not greater for GNOME.
It's not like he's suggesting we sacrifice goats in the street. He's suggesting we actually implement what the FSS says.
Oh bite me. I guess you didn't notice that several of us had the same thought at the same moment and posted a response to the nitwit who started the thread, huh?
If you read the security bulletin, it's not referring to windows at all. It's a problem with Internet Explorer version 5.5 or later.
But I thought that Internet Exploder was an integral part of the OS, at least according to M$. Therefore, this *IS* a Windows problem, based on M$'s own "logic".
Currently as a first level tech support, moving into a junior network admin in a few months once I finish my programming course.
To me, this speaks volumes about Compaq's (lack of) intelligence. What does a programming course have to do with moving into a junior network admin role??? Maybe it's different where I come from, but the network admin guys work on routers, switches and the like. No programming there at all...
The FBI is a government agency first and foremost, therefore, it belongs in.gov. St Timothy Christian Academy is a school, first and foremost, therefore.edu is fine, IMO.
There's already hundreds of thousands of web sites that already fall under the wrong TLD category because current TDL's are too vague.
Too vague? It's the enforcement of domain use policy that's too vague.
Are you a COMpany?.com
Are you running a NETwork?.net
Are you running an ORGanization?.org
Are you doing this for an EDUcational institution?.edu
Is this for the GOVernment?.gov
MILitary?.mil
What's too vague about that? I agree that adding more TLDs will create confusion, but there's not confusion now.
Uh, no I'm not. I work for a company that makes Internet security devices (firewalls, vpns and such). AOL is one of our customers. I've seen the network, and met the people that make the packets go. It's an impressive network.
Even if AOL does the buying, it may not be awful.
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So many people are up in arms about the possibility of all of this resulting in AOL@Home. I, for one, don't think it's such a terrible thing. AOL-TW has lots of cash, and is a reasonably stable company.
All AOL application/users jokes aside (and believe me, I find the current AOL consumer offer loathesome!), it may not be so bad. AOL has some incredibly smart people running a pretty impressive network. A financially stable company running a solid network? Sounds pretty good to me, even if it is Steve Case running the show. As long as I don't have to use that AWFUL AOL client, and change the way I use my Internet connection, I'll probably not mind.
Hey - look at it this way - the tech support personnel can't get any worse! Ever talk to an @home tech that's less than 3rd level? Wouldn't know a subnet mask from ldap server.
I could have sworn both the Code Red and Nimda (multiple) exploits were patched in October *last year*.
If MS was so interested in making the fix widely available, why hasn't it been included in a service pack? There *HAVE* been service packs issued since this patch was released.
I support the backdoors. If you have nothing to hide (and I honestly believe that most people don't), then where's the problem?
Forced crypto backdoors -- is this to be the next "gun control"? After all, the only thing gun control has done for us in the US is make it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to get a firearm. Criminals continue to acquire their weapons illegally.
Similarly, what will force the "bad guys" to throw away their non-trojaned cryptography in favor of this new back-doored stuff? This sort of legislation is only useful for spying on law-abiding citizens. Let's be real here. How does this sort of legislation make it more difficult for criminals and terrorists to do what they do?
We've deployed a wireless application over CDPD. While we can pretty much assume the traffic between modem and CDPD carrier is encrypted and authenticated using the built in capabilities, we can't say the same about the connection from the carrier to our customer's site and their WAN.
I hope you're not relying on the crypto in CDPD. It's RC2.
I won one in a contest. After trying, and I mean really trying to use it, I couldn't "de-Palm" my brain, and the lack of organization in WinCE just didn't agree with me. SO, I sold my iPaq and got a Palm m505.
Oh I can follow the ball just fine thanks. It seems you're the one who can't follow the ball. It's obvious that Accipiter wanted to post a spelling flame. He tried to underscore it by posting a link to a dictionary site. The problem is that he still mispelled the word in his use of the dictionary site.
Perhaps this message is enough to help you "keep up".
Tucker and Chan aren't spectacular actors, but they're not "terrible" actors as CmdrTaco would have you believe in his *cough* 'privilage' *cough* abuse.
I'm not one for spelling flames, but the irony of this one just got the better of me... When posting a link to a dictionary site, shouldn't it be a requirement that one properly spells the word he's attempting to define? Try "privilege".
Not long ago, I won an iPaq in a contest. It was the (at the time) top of the line model, the H3650, and came with the PCMCIA sleeve and the Compaq 802.11b wireless ethernet card. I thought it was amazing at first, but the honeymoon was very short-lived.
Organizationally, the PocketPC is a mess. You've got settings upon settings upon settings, half of them cross-linked with eachother in a seemingly endless web of preferences.
Battery life was dismal. A couple of days, not even using it and the battery was half dead.
It had the annoying habit of turning itself on every night at exactly midnight - I didn't ask it to do this, nor did I install any software that did either.
It was cool to be able to browse the web via the wireless card, but the pocket explorer left much to be desired in terms of rendering (scaling was awful, and no landscape option).
*Everything* for WinCE costs money. It's as if these people have never heard of free software. Yeah, like I'm going to pay $20 for some guy's stupid ping and traceroute utility.
Worst of all - I always felt like I needed to handle it extra gently. It feels like it's a very delicate piece of gear. I've never had that feeling about any Palm I've ever owned (Pro, III, V, IIIc and now m505).
Writing was AWFUL! I SO wanted my grafitti back
The more I used the iPaq, the more I realized I love the Palm and wanted it back. I worked out a deal with someone at work that was drooling over the iPaq and traded the iPaq with the toys for a Palm m505 plus a few bucks. I think I made out MUCH better on this deal. Not only is the PalmOS better, PalmOS 4 kicks butt. --
RPM is not a packaging system. It is a POS created by people who obviously hate you.
You're delusional, aren't you?
It requires a database (databases are evil!) to track packages, it doesn't mesh well with compiled software, it has stupid dependency management,
Databases are evil? Care to cite a few reasons, or is it just that you don't understand them?
and it takes too much control away from the user.
You really are delusional. What control does an RPM take away from the user? You do realize you can still build RPMs from source, right?
How is anything in Slack 7.x NOT recent? They're glibc 2.2.3-based distros, and Slack 7.1 was the first distro to come with a KDE2 beta.
Let me suggest a course in reading comprehension. Go back and read what I wrote again. I pointed out one package from slackerware 7.2 that is old, but harkened to the days when half of the packages were 3 or 4 versions old. --
It also doesn't make you deal with the POS RPM, and all the stupid circular dependencies that come with it.
Which circular dependencies are those? Oh, you're probably one of those people that can't manage to grasp the concept of installing two mutually-dependent packages at the same time solves this "problem".
While KDE on RedHat is a mess of a dozen RPMs, the same thing on Slackware is kde2.tgz.
Not a fan of modularity, or a maintainable package model, eh? Slack's fine for one or two machines, when you go beyond that, it's a nightmare to maintain. Consistent package management is key. Doesn't matter if you're talking about RedHat, Mandrake, Debian, SuSE, or even one of the "fringe" distributions like Connectiva or Immunix. All of those have good working package models. I'm sorry, but tar and gzip does NOT constitute a packaging system.
It is nice, however, to see Pat Volkerding putting some *RECENT* versions of software in his distribution, at least for the most part (XFree86 is a notable exception). It wasn't all that long ago that Pat & co. shipped packages that were 3, 4 or even more versions old... --
I've met the Ivan & his guys (the SISD guys that write Freeside) - great people, quality code. It's always nice to see hometown boys make good (he's also from the Philly area). All that aside, the questioner, antis0c, seems to think that installing perl modules is difficult. I just looked over the installation information for Freeside, and now think antis0c is nuts. Most of the modules are dependencies for larger libraries. You can knock out about a third of the list there by doing:
perl -MCPAN -e shell
install Bundle::LWP
That alone takes care of MIME-Base64, Digest-MD5, URI, HTML-Parser, libnet, & libwww-perl. Next, do:
perl -MCPAN -e shell
install Bundle::DBI
That takes care of Data-Dumper, Data-ShowTable and DBI.
Harder than jumping through hoops of fire? Wow, I'd hate to see what he'd do if he had a task that was actually hard.
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Have you ever read the EULAs of OS vendors? Let's use Microsoft as the example. Under the terms of their EULA, the software has no warranty at all. They make no claims about fitness for a specific purpose.
This is the classic "who do I sue when Linux blows up?" fallacy. Who do you sue when Windows NT blows up, taking out half of your enterprise? Answer: it ain't Microsoft. By agreeing to their EULA, you agreed to hold them harmless, and gave up any right you might have had to sue them.
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By the way, I've recently patented the process of inhaling gases and extracting oxygen for use in biological functions, followed by expulsion of the remaining gas content. You all owe me.
You're the primary example of the stupid Americans I plan on escaping once the paperwork goes through and I move to Vancouver.
Let's see if I can get this right, you're unhappy with America, so you're moving to Canada? I take it you feel so strongly about this that you'll be renouncing your US citizenship and applying to be naturalized as a Canadian citizen, right?
It will be interesting to see you come crawling back when you need to have surgery or get tired of paying out half or more of your income in taxes. --
I do agree that Hillary (oh GOD NO) may be the frontrunner in 2004 for the Dems. But, things can change in 4 years. Hillary is probably going to embarass herself in the Senate. If you want to talk qualifications... What has SHE ever accomplished, besides cover up for all her husbands affairs?
Let's see, she came up with a national healthcare plan that would have put most of us in the poor-house and stole an African saying (It takes a village...) and pawned it off as her own...
However, the fact that you say that shows that you believe that the Electoral College is still important than the voice of the people.
Spoken like a true resident of California. Do you live in CA?? Think about it. If you get rid of the Electoral College, you place the country in the hands of California and New York. While New Yorkers typically claim nothing in common with CA, their political views both tend to be very liberal, thus the same. The Electoral College is the only thing keeping our governemt fair.
It's ironic. Democrats claim to favor the little guy, the guy who has to struggle to get to the top, yet are more interested in steam-rolling the country with left-wing liberal politics.
Do the math. Look at the concentration of people in LA county for example. It's more than several other states combined. Is it fair to let one group, even if more in number, from one small area determine what's best for everyone in the country, particularly for people thousands of miles away from them, who themselves have no say in their destiny, due to the system you want to see created? You may want to live in the United States of California, but the rest of us do NOT. --
Bush trusts machines more then he trusts the people of florida.
So do I. CNN took the Palm Beach County ballot around New York City, and asked people to identify the hole to punch out to vote for Al Gore. They asked a wide range of people, young, middle-aged and seniors alike. Nobody got it wrong.
It's the sun down there, it's baked their brains and they're incapable of coherent thought, let alone being capable of following an arrow one-half of an inch toward the center of a piece of paper and then punching out the hole at the tip of the arrow. --
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Mosfet's not talking about a new directory for every little application. He's talking about moving out stuff like KDE and GNOME. So instead of just having /usr/bin in your $PATH, you would also include /opt/gnome/bin and/or /opt/kde/bin. Yes, this makes your path a bit larger, but unmanagable? Hardly.
I just checked on one of my PCs that has KDE2 installed (from the RH 7.2 RPMs), and there are over 200 files that match /usr/bin/k*. The only one that wasn't a part of KDE was ksh. My /usr/bin has 1948 files in it. There's a 10% reduction with one change. I don't have GNOME installed on this box, so a similar comparison isn't really possible. However, I imagine that the number would be similar if not greater for GNOME.
It's not like he's suggesting we sacrifice goats in the street. He's suggesting we actually implement what the FSS says.
Mod me down for thinking? Yeah, bite me.
But I thought that Internet Exploder was an integral part of the OS, at least according to M$. Therefore, this *IS* a Windows problem, based on M$'s own "logic".
To me, this speaks volumes about Compaq's (lack of) intelligence. What does a programming course have to do with moving into a junior network admin role??? Maybe it's different where I come from, but the network admin guys work on routers, switches and the like. No programming there at all...
The FBI is a government agency first and foremost, therefore, it belongs in .gov. St Timothy Christian Academy is a school, first and foremost, therefore .edu is fine, IMO.
Still waiting for a good example...
Too vague? It's the enforcement of domain use policy that's too vague.
Are you a COMpany? .com .net .org .edu .gov .mil
Are you running a NETwork?
Are you running an ORGanization?
Are you doing this for an EDUcational institution?
Is this for the GOVernment?
MILitary?
What's too vague about that? I agree that adding more TLDs will create confusion, but there's not confusion now.
Uh, no I'm not. I work for a company that makes Internet security devices (firewalls, vpns and such). AOL is one of our customers. I've seen the network, and met the people that make the packets go. It's an impressive network.
All AOL application/users jokes aside (and believe me, I find the current AOL consumer offer loathesome!), it may not be so bad. AOL has some incredibly smart people running a pretty impressive network. A financially stable company running a solid network? Sounds pretty good to me, even if it is Steve Case running the show. As long as I don't have to use that AWFUL AOL client, and change the way I use my Internet connection, I'll probably not mind.
Hey - look at it this way - the tech support personnel can't get any worse! Ever talk to an @home tech that's less than 3rd level? Wouldn't know a subnet mask from ldap server.
If MS was so interested in making the fix widely available, why hasn't it been included in a service pack? There *HAVE* been service packs issued since this patch was released.
Forced crypto backdoors -- is this to be the next "gun control"? After all, the only thing gun control has done for us in the US is make it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to get a firearm. Criminals continue to acquire their weapons illegally.
Similarly, what will force the "bad guys" to throw away their non-trojaned cryptography in favor of this new back-doored stuff? This sort of legislation is only useful for spying on law-abiding citizens. Let's be real here. How does this sort of legislation make it more difficult for criminals and terrorists to do what they do?
Eh? Compaq, harbingers of butchered hardware vs. HP, who generally uses "normal" parts. Compaq going bye-bye? Good riddance.
I hope you're not relying on the crypto in CDPD. It's RC2.
Now I find myself wishing I'd kept it for this. :(
Perhaps this message is enough to help you "keep up".
I'm not one for spelling flames, but the irony of this one just got the better of me... When posting a link to a dictionary site, shouldn't it be a requirement that one properly spells the word he's attempting to define? Try "privilege".
The more I used the iPaq, the more I realized I love the Palm and wanted it back. I worked out a deal with someone at work that was drooling over the iPaq and traded the iPaq with the toys for a Palm m505 plus a few bucks. I think I made out MUCH better on this deal. Not only is the PalmOS better, PalmOS 4 kicks butt.
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You're delusional, aren't you?
It requires a database (databases are evil!) to track packages, it doesn't mesh well with compiled software, it has stupid dependency management,
Databases are evil? Care to cite a few reasons, or is it just that you don't understand them?
and it takes too much control away from the user.
You really are delusional. What control does an RPM take away from the user? You do realize you can still build RPMs from source, right?
How is anything in Slack 7.x NOT recent? They're glibc 2.2.3-based distros, and Slack 7.1 was the first distro to come with a KDE2 beta.
Let me suggest a course in reading comprehension. Go back and read what I wrote again. I pointed out one package from slackerware 7.2 that is old, but harkened to the days when half of the packages were 3 or 4 versions old.
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Which circular dependencies are those? Oh, you're probably one of those people that can't manage to grasp the concept of installing two mutually-dependent packages at the same time solves this "problem".
While KDE on RedHat is a mess of a dozen RPMs, the same thing on Slackware is kde2.tgz.
Not a fan of modularity, or a maintainable package model, eh? Slack's fine for one or two machines, when you go beyond that, it's a nightmare to maintain. Consistent package management is key. Doesn't matter if you're talking about RedHat, Mandrake, Debian, SuSE, or even one of the "fringe" distributions like Connectiva or Immunix. All of those have good working package models. I'm sorry, but tar and gzip does NOT constitute a packaging system.
It is nice, however, to see Pat Volkerding putting some *RECENT* versions of software in his distribution, at least for the most part (XFree86 is a notable exception). It wasn't all that long ago that Pat & co. shipped packages that were 3, 4 or even more versions old...
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perl -MCPAN -e shell
install Bundle::LWP
That alone takes care of MIME-Base64, Digest-MD5, URI, HTML-Parser, libnet, & libwww-perl. Next, do:
perl -MCPAN -e shell
install Bundle::DBI
That takes care of Data-Dumper, Data-ShowTable and DBI.
Harder than jumping through hoops of fire? Wow, I'd hate to see what he'd do if he had a task that was actually hard.
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This is the classic "who do I sue when Linux blows up?" fallacy. Who do you sue when Windows NT blows up, taking out half of your enterprise? Answer: it ain't Microsoft. By agreeing to their EULA, you agreed to hold them harmless, and gave up any right you might have had to sue them.
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By the way, I've recently patented the process of inhaling gases and extracting oxygen for use in biological functions, followed by expulsion of the remaining gas content. You all owe me.
Send your nickels to...
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Let's see if I can get this right, you're unhappy with America, so you're moving to Canada? I take it you feel so strongly about this that you'll be renouncing your US citizenship and applying to be naturalized as a Canadian citizen, right?
It will be interesting to see you come crawling back when you need to have surgery or get tired of paying out half or more of your income in taxes.
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Let's see, she came up with a national healthcare plan that would have put most of us in the poor-house and stole an African saying (It takes a village...) and pawned it off as her own...
Perfect Democratic candidate!
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Spoken like a true resident of California. Do you live in CA?? Think about it. If you get rid of the Electoral College, you place the country in the hands of California and New York. While New Yorkers typically claim nothing in common with CA, their political views both tend to be very liberal, thus the same. The Electoral College is the only thing keeping our governemt fair.
It's ironic. Democrats claim to favor the little guy, the guy who has to struggle to get to the top, yet are more interested in steam-rolling the country with left-wing liberal politics.
Do the math. Look at the concentration of people in LA county for example. It's more than several other states combined. Is it fair to let one group, even if more in number, from one small area determine what's best for everyone in the country, particularly for people thousands of miles away from them, who themselves have no say in their destiny, due to the system you want to see created? You may want to live in the United States of California, but the rest of us do NOT.
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So do I. CNN took the Palm Beach County ballot around New York City, and asked people to identify the hole to punch out to vote for Al Gore. They asked a wide range of people, young, middle-aged and seniors alike. Nobody got it wrong.
It's the sun down there, it's baked their brains and they're incapable of coherent thought, let alone being capable of following an arrow one-half of an inch toward the center of a piece of paper and then punching out the hole at the tip of the arrow.
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