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New ICANN TLDs Are Live

BenBenBen writes "According to this story on the BBC, several of the new ICANN top level domains now have sites available. Examples are visa.info and afilias.info. " I'm still waiting to get my 'dot' TLD. The article doesn't say much new except it tells us a few biz and info sites that you can use if you just wanna see a new TLD working. I gotta say, it's pretty surreal.

174 comments

  1. New TLD's by acvolt · · Score: 1

    I think that icann should stop bullying people around and let some of the rouge TLD's in. But I do see people using the new TLD's as a good step.

    1. Re:New TLD's by leto · · Score: 1

      Hey,

      I already have slash.dot, or at least I had it
      until Nielsen vanished from the earth and
      apparently took .dot with him. It featured all
      the slashdot.org censored articles :)

      Leto

    2. Re:New TLD's by Zeinfeld · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I think that icann should stop bullying people around and let some of the rouge TLD's in. But I do see people using the new TLD's as a good step.

      The only people I have seen bullying anyone have been the rogue TLDs.

      There are plenty of name squatters who have bought up new.net swampland who would like their real estate to be connected up to the interstate. So they yammer on with squeals of complaint.

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    3. Re:New TLD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that icann should stop bullying people around and let some of the rouge TLD's in.


      Not to mention the mascara and lipstick TLD's.

    4. Re:New TLD's by DGolden · · Score: 2

      I think more "ordinary" people should get into running their own nameservers - you want "http://spawnosatans.pants/" to point to the same place as "http://www.microsoft.com/" ? Well you can have it! pop it in your /etc/hosts file as an alias, or even run your own proxying DNS server...

      You don't need an addon to windows or linux for this - it's built into the OS, even in Windows - windows has a perfectly normal hosts.txt file, since it's network stack is from BSD.

      I'm just kinda surprised this doesn't happen more often - you could have people swapping personal lists of "cool" aliases - "but hyperlinks would stop working if the world didn't all use the same DNS root servers?" - well, maybe, but so what? The fragmentation impact would be much reduced since most web-pages have very domain-specific forests of links, so a short statement of "we use such-and-such's TLDs" on a site would usually be enough to sort things out, since most links would be to other pages within the same "family".

      All this could be made very pointy-clicky for the drooling idiots of the world - in fact, it would keep them entertained for hours, making their computer think www.popularfootballteam.com or whatever was called wank.droolers.suck.suck.suck...

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    5. Re:New TLD's by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Funny


      > I think that icann should stop bullying people around and let some of the rouge TLD's in.

      Yes, but if they allow rouge now they'll end up having to allow all kind of other crazy colors later, so they need to hold the line as long as they can.

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  2. Color me shocked. by Spameroni · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is is just me, or is seeing a new four characters after a url not actually all that amazing?

    1. Re:Color me shocked. by malign · · Score: 1

      It is just you ;p
      The rest of us are reeling in shock from it.
      Honest.

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    2. Re:Color me shocked. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously how hard is it to add a new line to a DNS entry?

      That's about as exciting as being able to call a file on your hard disk "mywork.document" instead of just "mywork.wpd", etc...

    3. Re:Color me shocked. by beable · · Score: 1

      I don't think we need TLDs at all. Why should we type "www.microsoft.com" when we could just put "www.microsoft"? And what about that "www"? It does nothing. We could just put "microsoft". If somebody REALLY wants a "TLD", they could have a name like "slashdotorg", or even "wwwslashdotorg". I say we just get rid of all the TLDs. They're useless. And get rid of that "www" while we're at it.

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    4. Re:Color me shocked. by ectizen · · Score: 1
      I say we just get rid of all the TLDs. They're useless. And get rid of that "www" while we're at it.

      Fortunately, someone's already done this, and it's available right now!
    5. Re:Color me shocked. by Tetsujin28 · · Score: 2

      The rest of us are reeling in shock from it.
      Honest.

      Now, don't get too upset. If you need to talk it out with someone, online counselors are available at www.tld-trauma.info.

      Or it that .pro ?

      Maybe it's .org ?

      .net ?

      Ah, hell. Forget it. Just deal.

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    6. Re:Color me shocked. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, AOL sucks.

  3. Yeah right by Guillaume+Ross · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    For the 50th time, they are announcing something which will never happen.

  4. new TLD's never thought it would happen by ZenJabba1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Thinking about this, its the tipping point I feel from the internet being a military network and a academic and a research network, to a full blown business network with significant commerical interests.

    I don't know how to feel strangely, because we have known it will eventually happen, but it seems a little bit has been lost in the process of change.

    I'm not against change, I just ponder where we are heading...

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  5. Don't buy .sex domains! It's not a real TLD! by chrysalis · · Score: 5, Informative

    Some registrars are offering ".sex" domain. However : .SEX ISN'T A TLD AND IT PROBABLY NEVER WILL.
    When you buy a .sex domain, the registrar send you a little pluging for Internet Explorer. That plugin adds lookups for .sex site on the registrar's name server. So it works. It works for you, it works for whoever installs the plugin.
    But it won't work for all the rest of the world. You'll be charged $75 for a domain that nobody will see.
    Take care, there are a lot of registrar registering ".sex" domains, saying that "they soon will be available as real TLDs". But that's untrue. Nobody knows whether it will even happen. But your credit card will be billed.

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    1. Re:Don't buy .sex domains! It's not a real TLD! by tweakt · · Score: 1

      Awww... no www.goat.sex ?

    2. Re:Don't buy .sex domains! It's not a real TLD! by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1


      Besides, .sex is misleading. If you consider what these sites are really for, you'll agree that the TLD should be .wank instead.

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    3. Re:Don't buy .sex domains! It's not a real TLD! by tcc · · Score: 2

      >>>>> When you buy a .sex domain, the registrar send you a little pluging for Internet Explorer. That plugin adds lookups for .sex site on the registrar's name server. So it works. It works for you, it works for whoever installs the plugin.
      But it won't work for all the rest of the world. You'll be charged $75 for a domain that nobody will see.

      Now THAT'S what I call getting well screwed :)

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    4. Re:Don't buy .sex domains! It's not a real TLD! by abiogenesis · · Score: 1

      New.net already charges you for such inaccessible-in-general domains. The only difference is that they have some relations with major ISPs who change their DNS to resolve such addresses too.

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  6. Great? by Vegeta99 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Does this mean their spam will stop?
    ...
    NAH, it'll probably mean more spam from VeriSign.

    1. Re:Great? by Vegeta99 · · Score: 1

      It was off topic? ICANN let VeriSign sell them, and ICANN and VeriSign have spammed the hell out of me for it. How is that off topic?

  7. dot info?? by MCZapf · · Score: 1
    Isn't the whole Internet about information? Why on Earth would we need a .info TLD? And what is wrong with www.visa.com? I'm all for new TLDs. but these don't seem to fit in at all with what we have already.

    There is one plus that I can think of. Maybe people will start to realize that not everything is a "dot com".

    1. Re:dot info?? by mindstrm · · Score: 2, Flamebait

      OF course they don't. Anything that actually fit in would cause too much argument and never get in.
      So the only new tld's suck.
      LIke '.biz'. Yeah.. that's useful..

  8. Why This Is A Bad Idea... by Lethyos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's already hundreds of thousands of web sites that already fall under the wrong TLD category because current TDL's are too vague. These two only make it worse. There is nothing wrong with adding TLD's, but we need them to be MORE specific to prevent ongoing domain name conflicts. Dot info and dot biz... besides the fact that they seem rather "immature" and "umprofessional" respectively, they don't help clue me in much on what I'm looking at. "What's the difference between a COMmerical site and a BIZiness site? Isn't somecompany.com also a BIZiness?" "Is this ORGinzation just about INFO?"

    These domains add confusion and too much generality. At the risk of a TLD being too long, why not create a ".store" for retail fronts, or ".gr(ou)p" for non-established organizations (that one would be great for OSS developers). How about extending the concept of the .TLD. scheme to include regions? www.somecompany.com.east/west/se/etc.

    I may just be blowing my horn here, but these things are just plain dumb. Some of my suggestions here may add some confusion, but won't adding to the mess also do that in a less constructive way?

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    1. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by AussiePenguin · · Score: 2, Insightful
      How about extending the concept of the .TLD. scheme to include regions? www.somecompany.com.east/west/se/etc.

      Country codes are enough. How would you be meant to know where in the world that region truely is?

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    2. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by Chep · · Score: 1

      East/west/SE relative to what ?

      Anyway, you can achieve that very easily using the
      non-domain part of your URL:

      www.somecompany.com/east (or west, or tanzania, or whatever)

    3. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by hendridm · · Score: 1

      What if you are James Dremel, and your company is Dremel Toyota, and you want to make a web site. Sorry dremel.com is taken. dremel.net and dremel.org don't make sense for a business. Sorry, dremelauto.com and mydremel.com, and godremel.com, and dremeltoyota.com are already taken. What do you do? welcome-to-dremel-auto.com? How about dremel.biz?

      Also, most ORGanization sites might be informational, but most INFOrmational sites aren't necessarily organizations. I know I was looking to put up a specific product news site awhile back. I couldn't find a good .COM name (even though I'm wasn't commercial), yet I was just ONE guy hardly falling under the category of ORGanization...

      What astonishes me is how LONG it took to implement them. What the hell took so long?!

    4. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by Ed+Avis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We should just get rid of TLDs altogether. These new ones like .info are just a ploy by registrars to get more money, because Dell will register dell.com, dell.info, dell.biz and so on. It wouldn't be possible for different sites to have the .com and .biz domains: they'd start suing each other until a point where both belong to the same company. So these new names do not expand the namespace at all.

      Why not hand out TLDs themselves? So Dell could have 'dell' and make www.dell and so on under there. That is the least insane way to do things given the current legal system.

      (Of course the sane way would be to go for TLDs where the legal procedures are clearly defined: .wto for domains arbitrated by the WTO, .us for domains subject to US trademark laws, and .fcfs for strictly first come, first served registration.)

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    5. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by jcostom · · Score: 2
      There's already hundreds of thousands of web sites that already fall under the wrong TLD category because current TDL's are too vague.

      Too vague? It's the enforcement of domain use policy that's too vague.

      Are you a COMpany? .com
      Are you running a NETwork? .net
      Are you running an ORGanization? .org
      Are you doing this for an EDUcational institution? .edu
      Is this for the GOVernment? .gov
      MILitary? .mil

      What's too vague about that? I agree that adding more TLDs will create confusion, but there's not confusion now.

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    6. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by Wrexs0ul · · Score: 0

      This was discussed at some point before, offering TLD's instead of .com's would be a huge burden on nameservers.

      On another point, I still remember the old days when .com's were $35(us)/yr from network solutions; man those were the days!

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    7. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1

      I don't think it would be a huge burden. For every top-level domain like .dell, there is already an equivalent .com domain such as dell.com. So the load on the top level DNS servers would not be much greater than the load on the .com servers is now.

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    8. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by reynaert · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Right know Foobar Computers and Foobar Foodstuff are fighting over the domain foobar.com. If you get rid of TLDs, they will fight for .foobar. What's the difference?

      Using trademarks for domain names won't work either. Foobar Computers and Foobar Foodstuff may well both have a trademark on the word Foobar, but for different products.

      For a fun real-world illustration, see this page. It lists many products called "Unix", such as Unix® diapers and Unix eyeglass frames.

      The only solution I see, is (a) getting rid of .com, .net, etc. and only keep the regional domains and maybe .int, and (b) force organisations to use their full name. Of course, you won't have short URLs with this scheme...

    9. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the two companies would fight over foobar. They would not have to fight over foobar.com, .biz, .net, .org, .info, etc etc with the same company taking all of them. So it's just acknowledging the reality that multiple TLDs are useless because lawyers want to make sure they all have the same content.

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    10. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by csbruce · · Score: 2

      One the plus side, the license for registrars to print money probably ran out with ".com". Hopefully, businesses will shun them the new TLDs will cost registrars more money than they take in.

    11. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by bungo · · Score: 1

      These domains add confusion and too much generality ...
      .... I may just be blowing my horn here, but these things are just plain dumb


      Ok, they may add confusion, and they may be dumb, but there is one thing they will do very well - adding to the profits of the registars.

      Do you really believe that these decisions were made for the good of the people in general? The only reason these came into existance was to make the people in power more money.

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    12. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by kusma · · Score: 1

      So what is the right TLD for slashdot?

      Is Slashdot the Government? No.
      Is Slashdot the Military? No.
      Is Slashdot a Network? It might qualify as "network of geeks"
      Is Slashdot educational? Sometimes.
      Is Slashdot a company? It's somehow part of the OSDnetwork which is a COMpany.
      Is Slashdot an ORGanization? See "network".

      So what is the TLD you think slashdot should have?
      (other than CT's favorite slash.dot)

    13. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by Inoshiro · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The difference is that one should be .foobarfoods, and the other should be .foobarcomputers.

      .foobar should list all demains which involve foobar, kinda like how alteon.com lets you see both the Alteon pharmacuticals group, and Alteon web systems.

      This is how two entities with trademarks to the same name, but in different fields, can co-exist peacefully.

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    14. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by GeekDork · · Score: 1
      How about extending the concept of the .TLD. scheme to include regions? www.somecompany.com.east/west/se/etc.

      Hmmm... when we're at it, we could just reintroduce the good old ICBM addressing ;-)

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    15. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by plumby · · Score: 1

      What about people? I'm neither an organisation or a company. What should I register my own site as?

    16. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by vidarh · · Score: 2

      Except that you'd effectively defeat the caching which is done in the current system. So the load would increase, and increase a lot.

    17. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1

      Can you explain about the caching?

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    18. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by vidarh · · Score: 2

      Below is a simplified description of how the caching works:

      Most internet users use their ISPs DNS server as their nameserver.

      That nameserver will cache the result of any query up to a specified amount of time (the maximum value you're supposed to cache an entry is provided to you in the response when you query a DNS server).

      Now, if you request www.foo.bar, your machine will query your ISPs DNS server, and if www.foo.bar isn't cached, the DNS server will strip off the leftmost part, and check if information about which nameservers serve foo.bar is cached.

      If it isn't, then it will strip off the next part, and so on. If it can't find the TLD in its cache, it will ask the root servers.

      If foo.bar is found in the cache, however, your ISPs nameserver will request info on www.foo.bar from one of the nameservers responsible for foo.bar, and cache that data for future reference.

      So if someone else using your ISP has accessed any domain on the top-level domain "bar" recently, the nameserver info for the TLD "bar" will likely be in the cache, and valid.

      And if someone else using your ISP has accessed foo.bar, or any host under foo.bar, information about foo.bar is likely in your ISPs DNS cache.

      And if they've looked up www.foo.bar in particular, even that may be in the cache.

      So only a small percentage of all lookups of a domain will actually cause a hit on the root servers, quite few will avoid hitting the nameservers for the specific TLDs, and for quite a few domains much of the data will be cached at your ISP most of the time.

      Allowing people to register directly under the root would mean that the number of lookups in the root servers would go through the roof, as there is one less level of caching, and the network of root servers would have to be able to cope with a load similar to all the current TLDs combined, as opposed to "only" when nameserver info for a TLD has expired from the cache somewhere - the traffic volume is high enough as it is.

    19. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1

      Yes, the hits on the root servers would increase. Just take all the huge boxes that are currently serving .com and switch them to root servers instead. The total load is the same; it's just in a different place.

      And 'all the current TLDs combined' is not very much more than the load for .com, I imagine.

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    20. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by vidarh · · Score: 2

      No, the total load wouldn't be the same, as you'd get the total load for all TLDs instead of "just" the load of .com. While .com is the significant TLD now, that will not necessarily stay that way, and flattening the namespace when load is just increasing steadily every year is just asking for problems.

    21. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1

      My suggestion was based on the premise that .com is and will remain the only important domain name (apart from national ones and a relatively small number of .orgs), with the other domain names like .biz and .info being bought by companies to stop rivals taking them, but not really used by much. If you don't accept that, then the suggestion doesn't make sense.

      But do you really think that splitting between .com, .info and .biz is a sensible way to do load balancing? Wouldn't it be better to put them together and have some more intelligent way of splitting load between multiple servers?

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    22. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by vidarh · · Score: 2
      If the only reason for adding .com .info and .biz was to do load balancing, then surely it would be idiotic. But the premise for that would be that most people registering in .info and .biz would register it to protect their .com names. While some may do that, I don't think the majority of .com owners will.

      That also doesn't take into accounts new TLDs like ".name", which has a very different market from the three above, and which gets significant interest. It also doesn't take into account that the seven new TLDs introduced now is only a "proof-of-consept" phase for ICANN, and that if things work out reasonably well, we can expect further new TLDs to be approved in the future.

      .com will be the biggest for a long time, but a lot can happen in the 5-10 year timeframe.

      (ObDisclaimer: I co-founded the company that operates .name)

    23. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1

      Yes, I don't believe that every .biz and .info will be registered by the same company that has .com. However, for anything which is a company name or trademark (or looks a bit like one), you cannot register the .biz to be different to the .com without fear of being sued. The argument that the extra TLDs are to expand the namespace and thus should go to different owners would not carry much weight in a trademark dispute.

      So *in practice* I don't think that .biz or .info will be very widely used. If it is possible to register foo.com and foo.biz indepedently without too much harassment from lawyers, it would be equally possible to have foo.com and foo1.com, so still no need for a new TLD.

      As for your TLD '.name' - what measures do you have in place to stop it being hijacked by trademark lawyers? If I change my name to Mr E. Toys, would etoys.name be safe?

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    24. Re:Why This Is A Bad Idea... by vidarh · · Score: 2
      e.toys.name would be safe provided you don't use the name in a ways infringing on Etoys trademark, and you can document that you did not change your name in bad faith (with intent to abuse the trademark).

      In addition there's less reason for trademark holders to object to a name that collides, as they can't themselves register the name anyway, and as such their only reason to go after you is if they believe you're infringing on their trademark - not to get control over the domain themselves.

      Of course, if you get the domain e.toys.name and start selling toys on the website, then Etoys will likely come after you no matter what your name is, and they'd likely win, as there'd be a real chance of confusing people into believing they were actually shopping from Etoys.

  9. hohoho by MattW · · Score: 3, Funny

    Once you get the 'dot' TLD, you can finally move slashdot to slashdot.dot. That will be even more fun to say around the uninitiated.

    1. Re:hohoho by mr3038 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Can you imagine yourself saying h-t-t-p-colon-slash-slash-slash-dot-dot-dot to unaware cow-orker? Yeah, I know it should have extra slash in the end but it sounds better this way.

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    2. Re:hohoho by Xaje · · Score: 1

      It shouldn't be too long before the Department of Transportation gets a new home:
      www.dot.dot

    3. Re:hohoho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like it better without the "www". "dot.dot" which is "s" in Morse code (not certain). It would be neat to play with these all day, but I got to go do "stuff.dot.dot".

    4. Re:hohoho by gordzilla · · Score: 1

      "yourself saying h-t-t-p-colon-slash-slash-slash-dot-dot-dot to unaware co-worker?"

      Aww too bad. A couple of more slashes and we might have had morse code for 'sos' (Ya, I know SOS in morse is '. . . / / / . . .').

      Still funny just the same.

    5. Re:hohoho by csbruce · · Score: 2

      Once you get the 'dot' TLD, you can finally move slashdot to slashdot.dot.

      You could simplify that to "slash.dot".

  10. Why We Don't Need A .sex by Lethyos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It won't help clean up the .com domains. The reason is becuase most sex sites don't conflict with domain names that businesses want for their web sites. For example, does IBM in contest for hotsex4uandgoats.com? No. Do sex sites have domain names like microsoft.com? As amusing as that would be, the answer is also no. .sex, while making porn smucks look a little harder for the wares they seek, wouldn't benefit the rest of us. And if it was official, it'd be something our browsers would search through if the domain we were looking for was unavailable. It'd annoy me greatly if a route to debian.org was unavailable and my browser defaulted to debian.sex and a web site containing photos of Ian's and Debra's love life.

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    1. Re:Why We Don't Need A .sex by ToLu+the+Happy+Furby · · Score: 3, Redundant

      Do sex sites have domain names like microsoft.com? As amusing as that would be, the answer is also no.

      Good point!

      (Seriously, I do agree with you and besides this venerable exception and the oft-mentioned difficulty of getting good clean musical fun after typing "Britney Spears" into a search engine (although lately even the official Britney material is becoming delightfully unclean), there really is no real possibility of confusing porn and non-porn sites. IMO while a .sex domain might theoretically bring some benefits, the potential for censorship of every other tld and the blocking of .sex would be too great if it existed.)

    2. Re:Why We Don't Need A .sex by optikSmoke · · Score: 0

      I can see one potential benefit of .sex domains. If it was legislated that all porn must be restricted to .sex domains, than they could rewrite all the context-unsensitive word-blocking apps to simply block all .sex domains. Though obviously, such legislation would never work, but it is a solution that (in my opinion) would allow people to browse most every site they should be looking at on public computers while appeasing all the "block everything, our children will suffer!" people.

    3. Re:Why We Don't Need A .sex by WH · · Score: 1

      .sex and .xxx will likely never happen as a TLD for one reason only. It would open the industry groups to lawsuits as I'm sure that I'm not the only one that tried to petition for a .sex and .xxx TLD between '92 and '94 and still has the documentation to prove it.

      At the time the excuse for my not getting it was they had "no policies in place on how to delegate new TLD's"..

      Obviously that has changed now..

  11. I'm still waiting for by 4444444 · · Score: 1, Funny

    I'm still waiting for the .444 TLD

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  12. Commercial Internet by hendridm · · Score: 1

    You think the Internet has just now taken the step from mostly academic to largely commercial? Where have you been? The new TLDs change nothing, other than there will be more domains (sort of) so that people don't have to buy my-company-incorporated-123.com to host their site (ehh, that sites prolly taken already too).

    Ok, it won't make it easy, since most of the dictionary is probably sold already anyway, but it will help.

    1. Re:Commercial Internet by AussiePenguin · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      It gives spammers another thing to spam about as well.

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    2. Re:Commercial Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not offtopic. New TLD's mean new e-mail addresses to spam too.

  13. Duh... by hendridm · · Score: 1

    No offense, but just who do you think you are talking to here? :)

    I would hope the average Slashdot community member would know that. Then again, I've seen some wierd posts that could disprove that theory.

    Don't buy .kewl domains either. They're fake.

  14. and of course by onShore_Jake · · Score: 2, Funny

    http://www.info.info

    1. Re:and of course by McDutchie · · Score: 1
      > http://www.info.info

      Now they only need to set up the obvious hostname... http://info.info.info

    2. Re:and of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and once they do that, they'll set up a subdirectory, so you can have http://info.info.info/info

  15. W3C considering fee based standards by getafix · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    linuxtoday. have submitted this to slashdot - hopefully it wont get rejected. last day for comments is today (sep 30 2001). and thats final. this sucks. apologies for posting this, but i dont know how long my submission will sit in a queue.

    Send your level headed comments to :
    www-patentpolicy-comment@w3.org

    Read current archives at:
    archives

  16. Isn't everything on the net about information? by hendridm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yeah, which is why a lot of sites don't belong on a dot com. Are half of the news sites y'all visit ORGanizations or COMmercial companies? Do they support the NETwork infrastructure?

    I think they were created for two reasons:

    1. To increase sales for registrars.
    2. To help people find shorter names for their web sites.

    Have you tried to search for a .com domain lately? Everything, and I mean everything, is taken.

    1. Re:Isn't everything on the net about information? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MyBuddyIsACrazyVietnamVetWhoGotHosedInDaNang.com

      You make a good point.

    2. Re:Isn't everything on the net about information? by addaon · · Score: 1

      Not everything... I know it sounds bizarre, but try welsh words and names. I've had an astoundingly high success rate.

      --

      I've had this sig for three days.
  17. .sex? by zarathustra93 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does this mean that it would finally be http://www.goat.sex instead of http://www.goatse.cx? It would truly be the end of an era on slashdot if that happened :-)

    1. Re:.sex? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Today, we at www.goatse.cx have seen great evil, the very worst of ICANN, and we responded with the best of goatse... Rest easy, goatse will never change!

  18. Generally a Good Move by R-66Y · · Score: 0

    I think these new TLDs are gonna be better for the net society, simply because they give the web a higher degree of "organization". If you think about it, with just the old standard domains (.com, .net, .org, and .edu), where would a personal webpage go? Obviously, the person is not a company, network, organization, or education institution. I dunno, I could be delusional about all this.

    Conversely, I don't think I'll ever find myself typing '.museum'. I think that'll just be TOO awkward for me, just because I'm used to seeing no more than 3 letters after the 'dot'. It seems like ICANN should've put in some kind of ordinance declaring that TLDs should not exceed 3 characters (not including the dot, of course). Just my opinion, though.

    Later,
    Patrick

  19. That's a good sign by James+Lanfear · · Score: 1

    Everytime I point Konquerer at visa.info it just flickers for few seconds and dies on a SIGABRT. Pretty much sums up the whole "new TLD" experience for me.

  20. "I gotta say, it's pretty surreal." by abhinavnath · · Score: 1

    Man, somebody needs a life :)

    [circumventing lameness filter]

    --
    My other sig is also a .Porsche
  21. So young, and already abused. by Starship+Titanic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, I was browsing through the new .info whois, and decided to check out sex.info. Of course, it's already registered, no surprise there. However, apparently, it wasn't registered under the "Open Registration" rules, but as a trademark. Yes, boys and girls, this is what the whois info shows:
    Trademark Name: SEX
    Trademark Date: 2000-01-04
    Trademark Country: USA
    Trademark Number: 2306348
    As a search on The USPTO shows, a very specific rendering of "sex" is trademarked by a Jaime M Cerrato, to be used for "games, playthings and novelty items, namely, mechanical pull toys." This trademark was used by Hera Ventures and Investments, Ltd. to register sex.info. Somehow, I doubt the only thing that site is going to be doing is selling "mechinal pull toys". Dirty trick or outright fraud? I don't know, but it's obviously abuse.

    --
    This is an EX-PARROT!
    1. Re:So young, and already abused. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And has Jaime M Cerrato provided authorization for them to register the domain? (somehow i've some doubts)...

    2. Re:So young, and already abused. by maeglin · · Score: 1

      The whole tld system is abusive .. If I type in sex.info, chances are, I don't want to see assloads of flogging devices. What *should* be there is an informational site. A little AIDS awareness, some medical background.. you know.. stuff *about* sex.

      So, what do we get instead? The website of some wanker who managed to send the paperwork into the USPTO.

      I guess little Jimmy will technically get information at sex.info .. but we might just as well send him to goatse.cx for all the good it will do.

  22. Re:Let me get this straight... by LWolenczak · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Why don't you get a life, If all you can do is sit around, and watch the national news network's coverage of NYC, then you, out of the gene pool. It is time to move on, no time to be our hollow selfs and watch tv till our eyes fall out of their sockets.

  23. Speaking of Odd Domain Names.. by R-66Y · · Score: 0

    http://whatthen.biz/natch/ :D

    Later,
    Patrick

  24. the reason for "traditional TLDs" by nilstar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Isn't one of the biggest selling points for traditional TLDs the fact that they are easy to remember? Sure there are many country specific TLDs, but usually they are used by people in your/nearby countries......

    How many people are going to remember that my site is not www.thinkbrown.com but instead www.thinkbrown.info or www.thinkbrown.TLDoftheday?

    Heck, why don't we go one step furhter, I want to define my own TLDs.

    I don't buy into the arguement that traditional TLDs are all taken.... just stop the domain squatters and you'll be happy.

    --
    ===> An eye for an eye makes everyone blind - MG
  25. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  26. I wonder by jayhawk88 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If 90% of these new TLD's are simply going to refer back to the .com of the business that snaps them up, like I suspect (dell.info->dell.com), and if those .com's aren't really changed in any way (no reason they should)...

    Is this the worlds biggest DNS server? Meta DNS? Seriously, though, how many companies who snatch up an .info or whatever are going to bother to create a new web site specifically for that domain?

  27. Maybe it isn't the TLDs... by Dog+and+Pony · · Score: 1

    Well, since it works in Opera and Explorer, maybe, just maybe it could be you chose a bad browser to experiment with...?

    1. Re:Maybe it isn't the TLDs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      My God! We've got a rocket scientist in our midst!

  28. How do you think companies will react? by avij · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As the article implies, this will most probably lead to existing companies reserving more domain names in new TLDs. Let's take an example, say, Finnair, our beloved Finnish airline.

    finnair.fi already belongs to Finnair
    finnair.com as well, as they're doing business in many countries so they'll need an "international" commercial domain
    finnair.aero just because they're dealing with aviation
    finnair.biz because they're doing business
    finnair.pro - well, they're professionals after all
    finnair.info, timetables anyone?

    Nice move, ICANN.

    --

    Follow your Euro bills at EBT
    1. Re:How do you think companies will react? by mzito · · Score: 3, Informative

      I work for the company managing the technical backend for .pro, and while I understand you're saying this at least partially tongue-in-cheek, I need to correct your misconception. .Pro is for licensed professionals onle - at the time of veritifcation, license numbers, etc. will be submitted. There will be subdomains of .law.pro, .med.pro, etc.

      Now, whether that's useful to anyone, I don't know. But no finnair.pro, I'm afraid.

      Thanks,
      Matt
      Note: I work for a domain registrar, but I don't speak for one.

      --
      me@mzi.to
  29. Konqueror can't handle the new TLD by Nemosoft+Unv. · · Score: 1

    It crashes consistently on www.visa.info; (KDE 2.2); I guess the shock of a four letter TLD was too much for it :-)

    [Actually, it's just crappy HTML code with frames. Too bad people still can't code.]

    I wonder how long it will take for the 7 'forbidden' words to make it to TLD; now that would be news.

    --
    "Fix it? It has been disintegrated, by definition it cannot be fixed!" - Gru in Despicable Me.
    1. Re:Konqueror can't handle the new TLD by metalhed77 · · Score: 1

      I think it's more pathetic that the HTML of a site crashes the browser, that's only happened to me once outside of konqueror

      --
      Photos.
    2. Re:Konqueror can't handle the new TLD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HTML isn't code sparky. i know you know this, and i bet you probably do actually code. but this is slashdot. home of the annoying wannabes and if i didn't whine about this, the circle of life would die.

  30. Of course, you know this is gonna lead... by sporty · · Score: 2

    Of course you knwo this is going to lead to a lot of broken code.. which verify's an email to have a 2-3 letter TLD.... lord knows i've beens subjected to it.

    --

    -
    ping -f 255.255.255.255 # if only

    1. Re:Of course, you know this is gonna lead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      .arpa has always been legit.

  31. Didn't get mine.... :-( by KjetilK · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Well, I tried to get some .info domains, but I'm still waiting to see if any goes through. Afilias doesn't seem to clued to me. Also, I've spoken with my registrar, it seems like the whole company is in a mess, and nobody really knows what is going on.

    Well, I was really going to rant about trademarks. TMs is usually the part of IP regime that I find the least problematic, but. There is something strange there.

    Here's my story:

    I have for several years maintained a site titled "How to use a compass". Since I've been orienteering for many years, and just because I could write this, just because the web allowed me to become a publisher, I did write it up.

    It is time for the site to move on, I intend to open it up for many contributors. I intend to get a few excellent orienteers and expeditionists to join me in making this site even better, and I intend to release it under the GNU Free Documentation License (but with some modifications to allow people to print and distribute printouts more easily).

    Obviously, I should have a domain for it. While I have other options, what can possibly be more fitting for this site than compass.info? It is the most used compass tutorial on the web, there are a few of them, but most are actually using my illustrations... The site is literally information about the centuries-old gadget called a compass.

    However, it has been decided that trademarks owners should have a prior right to our language (eh, well, English is not my native tongue, I'm Norwegian). They should be allowed to grab first, and so, compass.info is gone. Like in some many cases, the compass has been used metaphorically. There is actually very little information about the gadget compass on the web, but there is extensive use of the term "compass" used metaphorically. In fact, this is a problem I've had when designing metadata for the site.

    I'm quite confident (yep, I do have some self-confidence :-) ), that if the delegation of domain names had been based on what merit a site has for accurately describing what lies in a name, my site would have won... :-)

    So, what is it with trademarks that makes them so valuable for mankind that it is more important that the domain name compass.info is used do point to a product that has nothing to do with what has for centuries been known as a compass, rather than an accurate description on how to use this gadget....?

    I do not doubt that the American College Testing Program, who has been awarded compass.info has good intentions for it, but still, the question stands, why is it that trademarks should have that level of protection?

    I feel there is something wrong about all this. Names are a scarce resource, and should be treated with caution. I feel the use of trademarks needs a review. This isn't what they are supposed to be: My parents went to China and bought "The North Face" jackets with a Gore-Tex membran for just about nothing. While they realize it certainly aren't real North Face jackets, I have yet to convince them it certainly has no Gore-Tex membran. They are going to get seriously wet one of these days... :-) That's what trademarks are supposed to do for us: protect us from being sold crap. They're not supposed to be used for grabbing bits and pieces of living langauges...

    --
    Employee of Inrupt, Project Release Manager and Community Manager for Solid
    1. Re:Didn't get mine.... :-( by thrig · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      It is time for the site to move on, I intend to open it up for many contributors. I intend to get a few excellent orienteers and expeditionists to join me in making this site even better, and I intend to release it under the GNU Free Documentation License (but with some modifications to allow people to print and distribute printouts more easily).

      Have you considered using the Open Content License instead of hacking up Yet Another License (YAL)? Might be more along the lines of what you need...

    2. Re:Didn't get mine.... :-( by KjetilK · · Score: 1

      Damn, I didn't get my other option either: orienteering.info. So, now I don't really know what domain I should use. Arrrgh.

      --
      Employee of Inrupt, Project Release Manager and Community Manager for Solid
  32. New TLDs need to be reconsidered by dfn5 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The Internet does not need new TLDs. I remember the day when someone wanted to get a .org domain they needed to be a non-profit organization. Or if you wanted a .net you had to provide Internet infrastructure. Nowadays when you go to Network Solutions they say "Reserve .com, .net, and .org all at the same time before someone else does". They are meaningless. So now that we have .ws, .info, and .biz it just means that a company has to get more domains at the same time. And usually a company only uses .com and just let the other domains sit unused to prevent others from getting it. It seems to me that the only people benefiting from new TLDs are the registrars because they get more money from the additional registrations.

    Let me just talk about .ws for a second. This is the most meaningless TLD of them all. The nodename part of a domainname should specify what the service is i.e. www, smtp, ns, nntp, etc... otherwise we need to create all these others as TLDs as well, which I'm sure everyone would agree is silly.

    And to those who have posted that we need regional TLDs, we have those already. The are called country code TLDs. In fact I think we should get rid of .com, .net, .org, .edu, and .gov and stick them under .us. It seems to work for the UK and Australia. A company should have to register a .com.ccTLD for the countries they exist in. The Internet is not just the United States anymore.

    In summary new TLDs only polute the DNS name space.

    --
    -- Thou hast strayed far from the path of the Avatar.
    1. Re:New TLDs need to be reconsidered by mzito · · Score: 2, Insightful

      .ORG was never intended to be for just non-profit organizations, and has never been enforced as such, except perhaps at the registrar level by ignorant registrars. According to RFC 1591 by Postel himself:

      ORG - This domain is intended as the miscellaneous TLD for organizations that didn't fit anywhere else. Some non-government organizations may fit here.


      See - its miscellaneous. In addition, .ws is a country-code TLD - in this case its for Western Samoa. The concept of .ws being for a "website" is purely marketing.

      As far as polluting the namespace - the DNS system is designed to support a large number of TLDs. The restraints that need to be placed are policy ones, not technical ones.

      Thanks,
      Matt
      Note: Although I work for a domain registrar, I don't speak for one.

      --
      me@mzi.to
    2. Re:New TLDs need to be reconsidered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      In fact I think we should get rid of .com, .net, .org, .edu, and .gov and stick them under .us. It seems to work for the UK and Australia. A company should have to register a .com.ccTLD for the countries they exist in. The Internet is not just the United States anymore.

      1) COM/ORG/NET were always international domains, however they've always been managed by the US governenment

      2) COM is popular in the UK and Australia.

      3) Country code domain policy is under local administration. There is no such thing as .COM.US or .COM.CX, and nobody can force them to create subdomains like that. .US for example is a complete mess and is generally only available to local governments.

      4) GOV/MIL/EDU are historical accidents that show a bias towards the government that built the Internet. There's no feasible way to obsolete these domains, and until you think of one, forget trying. How many UKians are even aware of MIL anyway? Most USians aren't (goarmy.com).

      5) The Domain system was never intended to be the greatest rational hierarchy or a means of locating information -- it was always intended to be layered with other directory systems (Yahoo, Switchboard, 'Internet keywords', whatever). Get that through your head.

      6) Trying to reform the domain name system at this point is like trying switch over to metric time. Unless you have a time machine and can go back to 1988 and discuss it with Jon Postel, forget about it. Now.

      7) Adding a couple new TLDs does seem like a pointless exercise, or even extorition by the registrars. However, keep in mind that these are just a test run for planned massive expansion of TLDs. Given enough of them, it will be virutally impossible for a company to buy all of them, or for squatters to eat up the namespace. I'm not going to make a judgement of whether this is a good idea, only that it's too early to tell. (see #5) One point is that it's culturally and techincally very difficult to contract the namespace, but it's easy to expand it.

    3. Re:New TLDs need to be reconsidered by setre · · Score: 1

      Yup. This sounds good, and international sites could go under .int TLD.

    4. Re:New TLDs need to be reconsidered by sunhou · · Score: 1

      The registrars saw how much money was to be made on collectibles, e.g. Pokemon, "collect all 20,000 of them!" So they figured they'd get in on the game. The more TLD's there are, the bigger the game, and the more money they can make. Just you wait, slashdot.org and slashdot.dot will just be the beginning. Soon enough, we'll also have slashdot.pikachu.

  33. Artifical Limitation by eean · · Score: 1

    We should get rid of the whole idea of TLDs. It is an artifical limitation.

    1. Re:Artifical Limitation by dangermouse · · Score: 1
      um, no it's not. it's an artificial *organization*.

      The theory was the same name could exist on separate TLDs, owned by separate people, doing different things.

      apple.net wasn't supposed to be apple.com wasn't supposed to be apple.org. So instead of .apple, you'd have at least three domain hierarchies under .apple.TLD.

      That's not a limitation, that's compartmentalizing and therefore broadening the namespace.

  34. Erm.... by Marcus+Brody · · Score: 1

    After some deliberation, I have decided to post this. I could have quietly informed one of the /. editors. I should have bought this ripe little domain for myself, but I am skint. So here it is, somebody snap this peachy little domain please - Its still available, according to internetters.co.uk:
    slashdot.info

    go get it.....

  35. An idea... by tweakt · · Score: 1

    Hmm, when can I register http://www.chicken.coop ?

  36. Where is a good place is get one? by eean · · Score: 1

    What is a good company to use to get a .info domain name?

  37. It's just crap... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who needs new TLD??? I coan only see one use for them... to increase the revenue of ICANN and it's protected registars!

    Welcome to undernet...

  38. [OT][Urgent] Last day for RFC on patent-based WWW by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1, Offtopic


    "On 16 August 2001 the W3C made public a proposal to substantially change their patent policy framework. Amongst the changes is support for a new licensing model (called RAND) that legitimises the W3C's role in developing and promoting standards that could require the payment of royalties."

    Today, September 30, is the last day for submitting a comment. You can read more about this at Linux Today.

    Act now, while you can still access the Web via free software.

    --
    Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
  39. And to think ... I've been doing this with opennic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant
    OpenNic has brought about an entire new DNS root system with tld's such as, .oss, .geek, .null, .parody, and many more. What does it cost to become a part of this new revolution that is sweeping the nation? Nothing.

    I've learned more from the OpenNic developers about how to set up DNS, than I would from any how-to. So if you wanted this Sureal experience say about a year ago, all you had to do was put one of the OpenNic Dns servers in and pointed yourself to http://www.opennic and you would have had the same experience.

    Signing as anonymous because my l/p no longer seem neccessary.

    SuperDuG

  40. TLD propaganda by Garry+Anderson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is propaganda being spread by the authorities, that these new TLDs will solve the problems for trademarks - it is a lie.

    THOUSANDs of new open TLDs will not solve any problem - even if every one has 'Sunrise Period'

    It will not solve 'consumer confusion', 'trademark conflict' or stop anybody 'passing off'.

    Also, as an example on Sunrise, thousands of trademarks using word 'Apple' have no guarantee of being able to use name.

    Apple computers will still protect and make claim to every Apple.[anything] - even though they share word with 727 others in the USA alone (plus all those in 200+ countries).

    TRUE or FALSE?

    No reply required - I know the TRUTH - The solution to trademark problem is at WIPO.org.uk.

  41. Say what? by talks_to_birds · · Score: 1
    At: http://swhois.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?whois=VISA.INFO

    To quote:

    • [VISA.INFO] is available

    Woo hoo!

    Sign me up!

    [we're in the money.. c'mon my honey...]

    t_t_b

    --
    I'm on PJ's "enemies" list! Are you?
  42. anything.moreso by Conesus · · Score: 1
    I know this has been suggested numerous times in every discussion about the new TLDs, but I feel that I should just reiterate my position on this.

    Personally, I beleive that TLDs should be taken care of just like domains are. Though, moving off track, subdomains are taken care of exclusively on the domain's server, without any interaction with the registrar. Not that I am saying this should be the same for TLDs, but te route of the subdomain works well for domains now.

    TLDs on the other hand should be registered with the registrar, but as soon as it is created [.conesus perhaps] anyone can now register domains on that TLD. Or maybe just have every TLD as part of the domain. Instead of removing the TLDs completely [http://conesus], there could be a two part domain system, replacing the one part domain, and one part fixed TLD. [http://conesus.web-design] or [http://microsoft.software] or even [http://microsoft.porn]. That way, Microsoft wouldn't be concerned about registering microsoft.porn, because nobody would even go there if they were looking for a microsoft product.

    If we [as humans, not just US citizens] can remember phone numbers for all the people/family/friends/businesses we call regularly, then why can't we remember two-part names that can be easily looked up [by Google, or by asking, or by looking at that piece of paper you got when you were wondering about a piece of software, and a representative gave you the web address]. This solves a lot of these .com problems, but what I am really wondering is, how many new problems are created when we remove the TLD system, and institute a two part domain system, so not every word is taken.

    --

    Don't eat your soul to fill your belly.
    conesus.com
    1. Re:anything.moreso by talks_to_birds · · Score: 1
      "...Microsoft wouldn't be concerned about registering microsoft.porn, because nobody would even go there if they were looking for a microsoft product...."

      Speak for yourself...

      t_t_b

      --
      I'm on PJ's "enemies" list! Are you?
  43. TLD contacts... by tcc · · Score: 4, Informative


    There's always http://www.icann.org/tlds/

    If you want to voice your concerns about a specific issue with the new domains. Direct contacts, that's evil, I wonder if they will read all their mail.

    --
    --- Metamoderating abusive downgraders since my 300th post.
  44. Not real yet by twitter · · Score: 2
    Well, according to an article I read about a year ago, large corporations were some of the largest vendors of porn! GM, Disney and others all had their fingers in the pot selling filth over cable TV at hotels and such. Nasty. The funny thing is that places with the most represive laws, like Utah, had the highest porn consumption. Go figure, unhealthy attitutdes breed unatural desires and suckers willing to pay for it. Don't discount the possiblity of these enterprising investors putting their product in an easy to find and restricted domain.

    Still won't clean up the rest of the net. Only a proven lack of demand will do that. Too bad there's a new one born every minute.

    --

    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

    1. Re:Not real yet by greenrd · · Score: 2
      Excuse me? High consumption of porn is due to "unnatural desires"?

    2. Re:Not real yet by twitter · · Score: 1
      High consumption of porn is due to "unnatural desires"?

      Let's see, what did I say. Oh yes, "unhealthy attitutdes breed unatural desires and suckers willing to pay for it." Porn is an unnatural channeling of desires, a perversion. Societies that don't know how to deal with sex are unhealthy, and it's members tend to consume porn. Interacting with real people instead of paying for imaginary friends is much more healthy. It's hard to force the bizare things depicted in porn onto real people. People who pay for porn are losers and suckers.

      --

      Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

  45. New TLDs aren't new. by Dr.+Zowie · · Score: 3, Informative

    There have been other TLDs in operation in
    limited subsets of the 'Net for some time.
    Check out OpenNIC's site for a host of information about an internet namespace that's administered democratically. (There are several such namespaces, many of which are coalescing into a large, collaborative space run by the people,
    for the people. OpenNIC is particularly well
    run.)

    The new ICANN standards actually conflict with pre-existing namespaces (such as .biz).

    All you have to do is point your DNS server into
    the OpenNIC tree...

  46. where is the .gnu extension? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    whois /..*??

    We're authorized *.* resellers at ScaredCity(?tm?). We could be #1, but we can't afford to pay any rock stars or hockey players, to sing/skate about us. Not that we would (hire rock stars & hockey players) if we could.

    No matter, YOU could acquire this relevant set of .com/net/org URLs from us (including a year's free hosting), as a result of your interest in the brave gnu world of open/honest, dependable/secure, communications/commerce, &, your ability to follow simple directions.

    Don't even try to tell US that you haven't seen these guys, now featuring pictures of the REAL .commIEs

  47. What is .int? by ShaunC · · Score: 2

    This morning I had a gnutella connection from a machine at who.int. I tried www.who.int and it works - turns out it's the World Health Organization.

    What is .int and where did it come from? I presume it means "international" but I've never heard of .int before and the article doesn't mention it as one of the new TLDs. I tried www.nic.int, but it's restricted. Anyone know where more info can be found?

    Shaun

    --
    Thanks to the War on Drugs, it's easier to buy meth than it is to buy cold medicine!
    1. Re:What is .int? by dbolger · · Score: 2, Informative
      The .int domains are controlled by the Internation Telecommunications Union. Its a group in which "governments and the private sector coordinate global telecom networks and services", according to their website.

      This one's not new, but rather is one of the "special" TLDs, alongside .gov, .edu, and .mil. Its used for International Organizations, such as the United Nations.

    2. Re:What is .int? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      int. has existed for a long time, like the other gTLDs. But like edu., qualifications are required for getting a SLD under this TLD, so, like edu., you could never get such a domain by filling out a template and sending it to Hostmaster@x. You have to ask a human for these.

      Most of the .int domains around, like who.int and nato.int, have been registered for many years.

    3. Re:What is .int? by KjetilK · · Score: 3, Informative
      It's an old one. I tried to get one for the International Association of Physics Students (IAPS), but failed.

      Well, it is for "international organizations", but in this context, they have decided to follow the definition used by the International Law on Treaties, in which "international organization" is defined to be "intergovernmental organization", such as the UN, WHO, etc. What they say is that to get a .int, the organization would have to be formed by an international treaty between governments (there is another option: international databases).

      However, it should be quite clear that the International Law of Treaties never intended to give a general definition of "international organization", so what has happened is that most organizations that are international has been excluded. I for one think that IAPS belongs in .int.

      Now the really bad part of this is that certain organizations has been allowed to get .int though they have not been formed by international treaties, for example YMCA. YMCA has a similar formation history as IAPS, and does certainly not fit the criteria used. I think they do belong in .int, but it kind of makes you wonder what they did to get that name.

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    4. Re:What is .int? by Brainchild · · Score: 3, Funny
      Its used for International Organizations, such as the United Nations [un.int].

      Not to be confused with the United Nations Special Interest Group for Networking Educational Districts [unsigned.int].

      (You may now groan).

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  48. .biz lottery by maniac11 · · Score: 1

    Just a note on the .biz registration process:

    I wanted to get a certain .biz domain. I pre-pre-submitted a request for the name WAY back when they first started talking about these new tlds. After a while, more people jumped on the bandwagon and it began to look like we were really going to see these come into circulation. I did some more research about the (pre) registration process and found that while you could pay your registrar to 'reserve' the name for you, they couldn't initially guarantee that you would get the name. In fact you just got an entry into an intial drawing (which is tomorrow, IIRC) when you might actually be awarded the name. Needless to say, I bought several more "entries" for my domain of choice (it's that good... really)

    One critical loophole: the initial pre-registration period is also meant to allow those with trademark or "intellectual property" claims to a name to challenge your right to register it. While this sounds like a good way to protect legitimate rights, it just allowed people time to register all kinds of bogus claims with the USPTO. Last week I received a notice from Neuland (?) informing me that 15 or 20 people had "IP" claims to my domain. What should I do? Do I have any chance, as a non-corporate-lawyer-holding netizen of preserving my rights to the name even if I happen to be awarded it? I'd think that I should have just as much right to it as anybody else considering there's no "prior use" of the .biz tld.

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  49. afilias not new by michaelo · · Score: 1

    afilias.info works already for many weeks. Not new. J.

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  50. Silly waste of money but hey, its their money by Archfeld · · Score: 2

    With the market crash .COMs have gone belly up left and right. Valuable .COM addresses are now exchanged for a cup of coffee. More power to people wanting to use a non standrard TLD, but reality says the WORLD, uses .COM. I remember a story here or on Kuroshin about the lack of use on the off brand TLD's.

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  51. Re:WTC HAH!! by krystal_blade · · Score: 2
    The worst part is that the U.S. is acting like a good-for-nothing slashdot trollbuster--

    Oh, Please... We should be so lucky here at slashdot to be able to call up some special forces mo-fo's to clean you guys out with K-Bars and sniper rifles.

    Unfortunately, we simply do not have the clout necessary. But, if it makes you feel better, the moderators we send over there will be knocking them down a little lower than -1.

    krystal_blade

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  52. They could have at least done it properly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Somebody did a horrible job in setting up the infrastructure for the info. TLD.
    • There are only two DNS servers for the info. TLD. com., for example, has thirteen. Even though each of the two servers seems to be replicated in different geographic regions, they're both operated by the same company (Nominum). Would you trust your domain to this setup?
    • The SOA record for info. lists nominum as the contact, but no mention of the fact that they are hosting a DNS TLD is to be found from a quick perusal of Nominum's web site.
    • By guesswork, I found a whois server "whois.nic.info". But it's completely inaccurate. It lists incorrect nameserver information for "nic.info", and does not list "visa.info" at all. Where is the accurate up to date documentation?
    1. Re:They could have at least done it properly by dc396 · · Score: 1
      We have done it properly, thanks.

      Please read http://search.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf- dnsop-hardie-shared-root-server-05.txt

      The .info TLD is being served on 12 different machines at 6 geographically distinct sites on 3 continents.

    2. Re:They could have at least done it properly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do realize you used shared unicast (I called it anycast, but the draft clarifies that actual anycast is slightly different), but all the nameservers (two IP addresses, multiple replicates) are still operated by the same organisation. This is unprecedented. Look at the other gTLD nameservers, they're diverse. This allows people to place more trust that a single organisation won't use its technical responsibility to advance an agenda, and it helps prevent that adminsitrative (human) configuration errors will be propagated beyond the scope of a single nameserver.

  53. No need for new TLDs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...not when elvisburger.com is still up for grabs.

  54. With the dot TLD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could register things like cd

    cd.dot

    or (because dos sucks)

    cdspace.dot

    or

    dot.dot

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  55. yes, it is vague by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Let's assume I'm the FBI:
    • Are you a COMpany? No.
    • Are you running a NETwork? Of course! Why else would I want a domain name?!
    • Are you running an ORGanization? Unless the FBI is just a single person, I'm assuming this is "yes".
    • Are you doing this for an EDUcational institution? Yes, the FBI does do a *LOT* of training (the education isn't publically available, but neither is it for private schools).
    • Is this for the GOVernment? Indeed!
    • MILitary? Well, we do do some work for the military, but this is probably a "no".

    What's too vague about that?

    Absolutely nothing! fbi.net.org.edu.gov is a great domain name!

    This silliness applies to just about everything. Is AOL a company, an organisation, or a network? All three! Is St. Timothy Christian Academy a company, an organisation, or a school? All three!

    1. Re:yes, it is vague by jcostom · · Score: 2
      So use the strictest definition, duh.

      The FBI is a government agency first and foremost, therefore, it belongs in .gov. St Timothy Christian Academy is a school, first and foremost, therefore .edu is fine, IMO.

      Still waiting for a good example...

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  56. .www TLD by cr@ckwhore · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'd like to see a .www TLD because it would be funny. Could you imagine the confusion of http://org.slashdot.www? That would kick ass!

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  57. Re:And to think ... I've been doing this with open by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow. Replacing a big, corrupt bureacracy with a smaller, slightly bureacracy. I have to mirror openic, and put up a openic.tld site? I have to set it up with your inane bylaws? Any moral highground you might have gained, you threw away when peering with OSRC and Alternic. On top of that, your tld's all stink of petty little hippies, who sneer at actually coming up with names that make sense? Dot parody? Dot oss? Come on. OSS is _SO_ specific to a particular "whatever" as to be unusuable to all but 1% of those who might want a domain name. Dot geek? I'm sick of being referred to as this, and I'll be damned if I want a domain name to be yet another insult directed at me. Why not an Opennic TLD, to only be used by the openic site?

    I do believe your heart is in the right place, but you've already laid the foundation for something every bit as unfair and restrictive as ICANN. The only thing left is for you to become as mainstream as ICANN, and the last piece of the puzzle will be in place.

  58. Just wanted to remind everyone... by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1

    The AlterDNS Project is within weeks of being ready. New TLD's, no corps allowed, and I personally wipe my butt with any lawyer letters that even imply that they have something to do with trademark. Our software/config doesn't hijack your resolv.conf, and we encourage people to run their own web/email/irc/whatever sites on their own computers. Even those of you using dialup, can run a low traffic site on your own home computer (that's right, builtin dynamic DNS!). Don't wait to register your domain!

    1. Re:Just wanted to remind everyone... by vsync64 · · Score: 1

      http: \\

      HAHAahaaahaaHAahahaHAHAHAHAHAhahaheheheHAHA

      Your comment violated the postercomment compression filter. Comment aborted
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  59. The only new TLD we really need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is .gon, for disposal of the burnt out "New Economy" startups. Have them automatically transferred or something. dot-come, dot-gone, thats what they are.
    AC

  60. .info is a mess! by rolux · · Score: 1

    i think it should be mentioned that the whole .info

    pre-registration process (the "sunrise" period for

    trademark holders) has resulted in a profound mess.

    highlights include music.info pre-registered with a

    corea trademark for "dumping", analsex.info with a

    morocco trademark for "sandip singh sandhu", or

    newyork.info obtained by the holder of the u.s.

    trademark no. "e.g. 12345". dozens of domains were

    given to the holder(s) of an albanian patent for

    "unknown", issued on january 2, 2040.

    during "sunrise", one individual from austria has

    pre-registered no less than 4981 .info-domains.

    another guy has not only successfully filed

    trademarks for lawyers.info and attorneys.info, but

    also for blowjobs.info and teensex.info. other

    domain names, like hawaii.info, have been taken over by registrars for "testing purposes".

    if you want more info on .info:

    icann forum

    the internet challenge

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    1. Re:.info is a mess! by rolux · · Score: 1

      ehem... if you *really* didn't like the formatting, go to bugzilla.mozilla.org and file another bug about form submissions...

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    2. Re:.info is a mess! by cryptophiliac · · Score: 1

      G*d*mn it, this is so ridiculous, I actually wanted a domain, but I went the legitimate way, and now wont get shit because some jackass in London decided to submit false trademark claims, and register them with the administrative contact "THIS DOMAIN FOR SALE". Thus, not only has he broken the Sunrise regulations by a fraudulent trademark, but also carried out cybersquatting, which was exactly what the registration process was supposed to prevent. My only option now is to challenge it, for $300!!! Looks like I'll just sit on my ass and cry.

      -cryptophiliac

  61. .name oddness by twistah · · Score: 1

    The weirdest of them all will be .name. According to the registrar's rules, you have to register your own legal name (ie, no "cowboy.neal.name" :), and you actually have to register it in the format of "firstname.lastname.name." That would suggest subdomain to me, so I really don't know how to the hell they are doing this.

    Does anyone know? Will "bob.smith.name" actually be a different domain from "john.smith.name"?

    1. Re:.name oddness by vidarh · · Score: 2
      Your only partially correct about the cowboy.neal.name :) There's provisions both for using names of fictional characters provided you own the rights to that character, and for using nicknames, provided that name is commonly known to refer to you.

      So presumably Rob would get away with commander.taco.name, for instance.

      As for registrations on the third level, technically that is trivially easy. The reason that has been done is so that the second level can be shared for mail purposes. So while under .com only one of Bob Smith and John Smith would be able to get smith.com, and use bob@smith.com or john@smith.com, unless they could agree to share it (or Bob could decide to register bobsmith.com, and get a crappy mail address like bob@bobsmith.com, or similar), under .name they can get bob.smith.name/bob@smith.name and john.smith.name/john@smith.name respectively.

      Some data I took out on that this weekend shows that in the US, for the 65000 most common lastnames, 22 million people would be able to get their firstname.lastname.name without doing anything special. If you take into account nicknames, use of initials, use of hyphens etc., that number increases to more than 100 million that can get a nice name-based e-mail address on the form firstname@lastname.name, as opposed to only 65000 if noone share the second level.

      If you add in the people with less common lastnames, the number increase to about 170 million in the US alone, before you need to start doing stuff like adding numbers.

      Of course, for more common last names, like Smith, using numbers will be necessary quite a lot earlier than for less common lastnames.

      (Ob Disclaimer: I co-founded the company that operates .name, but I'm talking only for myself)

  62. More chaos with TLDs by Mike+McTernan · · Score: 1

    The biggest problem that I have with the .com revolution is the confusion it has created for me when visting online businesses.

    Since .com became so trendy, lots of UK businesses registered these domains or moved sites away from the .co.uk TLD. This causes me difficulty, because when at at .co.uk site I can be reasonably sure that the site will post and pack deliveries to/in the UK. When looking at .com's, not all of the offer overseas shipping.

    Therefore, buy searching .co.uk for shops first, I can usually find a price in pounds sterling together with reasonable postage options. Since everything went .com, it is much harded to find such a distinction.

    Surely more TLD's are only going to move further away from the geographical reality of the world and further confuse a lot of information.

    In fact, if I could start again, I'd trash .com and demand people use .co.us instead.

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  63. Full name? Too long! by kimihia · · Score: 1

    Force organisations to use their full name? Just imagine the chaos that would cause! smith-klein-beecha--, aol-time-warner-universal-bmg-bmi-cmc-chordant-wor d--, oh man. It's hard enough spelling barnesandnoble.com, or saurcefroge.net / soucreforeg.net / etc. Hand me the sf.net / bn.com please!

    For a registar that has its head attached correctly, check out ES-NIC, the Spanish (.es) registrar. I don't know if the English translation is yet available, but when I asked for it they emailled me a copy within a day. Good service!

  64. .pro domains by avij · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the clarification, I kind of forgot that speciality in .pro.

    But while we're at it, I wonder how the verification process is going to work for non-US residents. If I were a Chinese doctor and told you that my license number was 9828616724, how the heck are you going to figure out that it's a valid license number? I don't know of other countries, but at least here in Finland the license number for doctors contains a check digit, so you could theoretically check that to see if it's valid. It'd be easy to circumvent, however, as it's only one digit and thus you could just keep on trying until you find the correct number.

    I suppose you'll have to trust the applicant in this case (unless you have an "agent" in each country), and take the domain into closer inspection only if someone complains about its validity, but that will mean you'll get quite a lot of paper work when that happens.. It sure doesn't sound like an easy job to administer the .pro domain and I guess that shows in the domain registration fees.

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  65. How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What determines what's a valid "license" and licensing organization?

  66. URL for the .name TLD available too by Jugalator · · Score: 1

    http://www.nic.name/

    I of course have to make the note that it sounds like "nick name".

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  67. Slashdot.info by NatePWIII · · Score: 1

    Yeah, check out http://www.slashdot.info

    Cool huh.

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  68. Very correct! by MS · · Score: 1
    I fully agree:

    There's no need for new TLDs, and the "correct" use of existing ones like orginally intended would solve all problems and shortcomings.
    "Hierarchical" use of domainnames like in UK, Austria and Australia would also serve to take the load of DNS-servers, resulting in sleeker infrastructures and faster overall "Internet-response-times".

    Moreover the prices for a domain should be double of what they are now, if registrars really are concerned about surviving.

  69. if Taco got .dot ... by soboroff · · Score: 1

    would Slashdot be the dot in .dot?

  70. Afilias == the dot whore registry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Abuse and fraud has been widespread in the pre-registration period for so called trademark holders.
    Use this search and compare
    with the results found here.
    The following domains have been registered fraudulently;

    These don't even have trademark numbers in the registration;
    space.info lunch.info toy.info
    electronics.info system.info delivery.info
    silver.info one.info computer.info
    art.info two.info clothes.info

    There is a huge amount of foreign registrations - perhaps because it is conviently impossible to double check the trademark status. But as you check common words (that can't be used as trademarks in the USA) certain registrants come up frequently and a pattern emerges. For instance, there are a lot of Korean registrants. There is a Korean supposedly accredited registrar called "Yesnic" that has registered radio.info, book.info, gift.info, land.info, food.info, photo.info, vote.info. There is a "Mr Woo" that has registered car.info, music.info, and sale.info. A " Mr. Stephen Rumney" has registered money.info, finance.info, electronics.info. A Mr. "David Singh" has registereed house.info, home.info, train.info. A Mr. "Tokio Matsumoto" in japan has registered "linux.info".

    Most domains went to squatters rather than real trademark holders.

    Large companies like Qualcomm are even part of the fraud. They registered "brew.info", but they
    even haven't been granted a trademark for it.

    Even Afilias is part of the massive squatting. They registered "phone.info" but they don't own the trademark for it either.

    There are dozens more that I checked. In my cursory search, nine out of ten had invalid registrations

    Shame on Afilias for letting this happen and not taking action immediately on these obviously bogus registrations. There is nothing "fair" about how they are handling registrations. If Afilias had a shred of integrity they would ban permanantly these squatters from the registry as punishment for fraudently registering names during the so-called "trademark registration".