What hardware will simply NOT work with Yellow Dog Linux?
- Power Macintosh 6100, 7100, 8100
- WGS 6150, 8150, 9150
- The PowerBook 1400, 2300, and 5300
- Any Performa 52xx, 53xx, 61xx, 62xx, and 63xx.
- The 6360 is the only exception -- it will boot the Linux kernel ---
fast food franchises obliterated a sense of geographical and cultural differences among different regions of the United States
In NY from Manhattan to Montauk there is no mustard on hamburgers served by the fast food chains.
Why?
We don't like it (well actually I like it, but I lived in Arizon for a while,) so for this region they don't serve it. This is a substantia change for a major chain to undertake.
I'm sure there are other travellers of the US who know of differences; what are they? ---
--The whole world loves McDonald's
--Home Depot, Costco (nee Price Club,) Super K Mart are all putting Mom & Pop stores out of business
--MicroSoft sells a gagillion copies of anything they put out and a good many of us buy it.
There is a term in Radio (& TV) called LOF: Least Objectionable Fare. What it means is that people will listen to a station even if they don't like the music all that much b/c it is playing LOF.
McD's, BK, Wendy's et al are LOF for food.
Costco, Home Depot are the same. You go there b/c they are there and they have decent stuff at a percieved good price. You could probably go to the Maple Street Grocer and get string beans at a better price per pound but Costco also has that 5 gallon drum of Mayo you need for the 4h of July. You buy your string beans at Costco and probably everything else you can while your there. Further next time your out you go there anyway, even though you need milk and eggs.
An industry has been created in the computer field thanks in LARGE part to MS's fairly bad software. The average office worker cannot/will not deal with a crashed server. "Hire someone to deal with that damn server Doris!" And an industry of MCSEs are churned out and working making decent money. God Bless 'em! A lot of those people are responsible and go on to become guru's in their field.
But even when they figure out that *nix, Sndmail, Apache, whatever is better they are not going to convert. MS is LOF.
McD's doesn't make the best hamburger and the best hamburger maker doesn't work there. Who is going to pay a guy 80K a year to flip burgers? Maybe the Best Hamburger Place does. Since these jobs are transient why would there be any advancement?
MS based techs aren't working on the best OS ever and a lot of them aren't the best techs either. Why should they have "advncement" opprotunities? What would they advance to anyway (Level 3 tech?)
You say that Kid 1981 was smart becuase he/she knows things off the top of their head. Bah! Knowledge is not the ability to story lists of info.
You go on to say that K2001 has the ability to get info quickly but big deal, anybody can do that.
Well of course not everyone can, but more importantly your assuptions are heading down the path that K1981 is smarter by birth.
Didn't K81 get that knowledge somewhere? A book, a teacher, a movie?
Children have come in all flavors of intelligence for a long time but with our instamatic media we know more about everything than we ever did. Your local news puts up statistics like TEST SCORES PLUMMET 50% but fails to follow up weeks later when they find out the testing center was to blame for the low scores not the kids.
Technology is a tool. A hammer doesn't make you a a better carpenter anymore than a Macintosh makes you a better student.
But if you're the "power user" as the poster above referred to, yet you're not interested in using the best tool for the job, you might have a little cognitive dissonance
Well that's just the thing... What is better than Quicken? What bank is going to allow some GBanking, or KBank proggy to hook up to their servers and exchange info. You don't even want to say Linux to your bank, trust me.
She is for all intents and purposes a power user (and not a witch by long shot.) She is PowerPoint trainer (amongst other things at her co) and a gen'l pain in the ass to her beleagured Sys Admin who has to "figure out" how to open ports like 20 and 21 on the Corp FW so she can train on "exotic topics" like (that's what her Sys Admin called) FTP.
If she can't see the value of Linux in her day to day computing how on Earth can the AOL set be expected to?
I'm a Sys Admin, I saw the value and worth of Linux around RH5.2 (OK so I came late to the party)but I do this crap for a living. ---
--Can't have that fight, what version of Linux are you running?
--Therein lies the problem.
--I posted (way earlier) in this thread that my NY power user wife hated Linux (RH 6.2) and listed some of the reasons she hated it.
--Lots of folks complained that "all she had to do" was run VM Ware, WINE... Anyone could untar, RPMs made everything easy. Load 100 pt fonts for NS, don't use NS use this. Don't do this do that.
--In Windows she clicks on things and they open she has no idea how or why they just do and she's happy. She knows how to ping and tracert and adjust things in the registry but mostly she doesn't have to b/c mostly things work.
--She loves some of the "Linux Things" (RH 6.2) Multiple windows, CRTL-ALT-BkSpace (read she like X-Windows) but everything else is "too hard."
--She's the person Linux needs to win over to win the desktop wars. She isn't even one of those AOL types! She's a moderately experienced user who trains people in PowerPoint (she thought Star Office was a joke like PYST, seriously) and taught her staff how to FTP. And then got her Admin to open the FTP port on their firewall.
--But she finds Linux too hard and too clunky. I'd say that she's on to something. ---
2 - Linux needs to have an Office suite "like" Office
3 - Linux needs to be easy enough for my Mom to use it
1 - Linux needs HW support to support games and games dictate HW. Why else would people be buying 32MB video cards? No one who types letters needs that! Games are a huge part of the desktop! Linux could rock here.
2 - Yup. Office bites, no doubt about it. Now try and get your secretary to use Star Office to make your presentation ala Power Point. Last Year at Linux World NYC they were all using Power Point for their presentations. Not Applixware or SO or Corel. They weren't even using WINE. This speaks volumes about Linux' lack of a proper Office suite.
3 - Wrong. All computers are currently too hard to use. I need to do "1337" computer stuff. My Mom needs to surf the web and get her mail. My Mom and the rest of the planet need the computer to be more like the refrigerator. Single purposed, intuitive and reliable.
They see Linux as a threat. Open Source yadda yadda. I have spoken to folks at Papyrus and they'd like to at least have N4 servers but they are "not allowed" to do it.
Plus chances are most gamers are not interested in trying to get their 3D cards to work, or their USB joysticks, yadda yadda. THere is little incentive for the Gaming Industry to care about Linux.
Regrettably games are still a huge draw to the PC users. ---
--I have Linux on almost all of my machines. I have one purely WIN box in my house and my wife uses that.
--It started with, "I don't care if it's better, I can't run Quicken. I don't want to run something as good as Quicken I want to run Quicken. I can barely see the words in Netscape. Why can't I play The Sims on it? Nothing works. I want Office, I hate Star Office it is ugly. Dell says they can't help me becuase the machine came with Windows 98."
--I gave up after that. She's not a stupid user either. She's a power user for the NT set. She just wants things to work as expected. tar -xvf doesn't make her happy. She like to click on.zip files and have them do their job.
--I love Linux and tweaking and such but guess what I can't play NASCAR 4 on it.
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I have read the rest of your posts in this thread and it is clear that you are insane.
You need help.
Step away from the computer, it's watching you.
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"...who couldn't get in with 6, and earlier versions of Netscape, Opera (even 5.11 pretending to be IE) don't work...."
Looks like you're kinda wrong.
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found this link in 2 clicks
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http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/support/faq_hardw
and on my third click
What hardware will simply NOT work with Yellow Dog Linux?
- Power Macintosh 6100, 7100, 8100
- WGS 6150, 8150, 9150
- The PowerBook 1400, 2300, and 5300
- Any Performa 52xx, 53xx, 61xx, 62xx, and 63xx.
- The 6360 is the only exception -- it will boot the Linux kernel
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Fear the .sig file on the parent post
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My final answer is D. Your Spelling and Grammar are atrocious.
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fast food franchises obliterated a sense of geographical and cultural differences among different regions of the United States
In NY from Manhattan to Montauk there is no mustard on hamburgers served by the fast food chains.
Why?
We don't like it (well actually I like it, but I lived in Arizon for a while,) so for this region they don't serve it. This is a substantia change for a major chain to undertake.
I'm sure there are other travellers of the US who know of differences; what are they?
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--The whole world loves McDonald's
--Home Depot, Costco (nee Price Club,) Super K Mart are all putting Mom & Pop stores out of business
--MicroSoft sells a gagillion copies of anything they put out and a good many of us buy it.
There is a term in Radio (& TV) called LOF: Least Objectionable Fare. What it means is that people will listen to a station even if they don't like the music all that much b/c it is playing LOF.
McD's, BK, Wendy's et al are LOF for food.
Costco, Home Depot are the same. You go there b/c they are there and they have decent stuff at a percieved good price. You could probably go to the Maple Street Grocer and get string beans at a better price per pound but Costco also has that 5 gallon drum of Mayo you need for the 4h of July. You buy your string beans at Costco and probably everything else you can while your there. Further next time your out you go there anyway, even though you need milk and eggs.
An industry has been created in the computer field thanks in LARGE part to MS's fairly bad software. The average office worker cannot/will not deal with a crashed server. "Hire someone to deal with that damn server Doris!" And an industry of MCSEs are churned out and working making decent money. God Bless 'em! A lot of those people are responsible and go on to become guru's in their field.
But even when they figure out that *nix, Sndmail, Apache, whatever is better they are not going to convert. MS is LOF.
McD's doesn't make the best hamburger and the best hamburger maker doesn't work there. Who is going to pay a guy 80K a year to flip burgers? Maybe the Best Hamburger Place does. Since these jobs are transient why would there be any advancement?
MS based techs aren't working on the best OS ever and a lot of them aren't the best techs either. Why should they have "advncement" opprotunities? What would they advance to anyway (Level 3 tech?)
Needless to say this whole article is flawed.
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The saddest part is that that looks a lot easier to find what you need!
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I think that's what we want to know.
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Your view of Kid 2001 is a little depressing.
You say that Kid 1981 was smart becuase he/she knows things off the top of their head. Bah! Knowledge is not the ability to story lists of info.
You go on to say that K2001 has the ability to get info quickly but big deal, anybody can do that.
Well of course not everyone can, but more importantly your assuptions are heading down the path that K1981 is smarter by birth.
Didn't K81 get that knowledge somewhere? A book, a teacher, a movie?
Children have come in all flavors of intelligence for a long time but with our instamatic media we know more about everything than we ever did. Your local news puts up statistics like TEST SCORES PLUMMET 50% but fails to follow up weeks later when they find out the testing center was to blame for the low scores not the kids.
Technology is a tool. A hammer doesn't make you a a better carpenter anymore than a Macintosh makes you a better student.
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"Kids that use computers are smarter" -- and they better be for what I spent on that cluster
"Kids that use computers are more anti-social" -- than the stupid people who don't
"I don't need a computer to do any of my daily tasks" -- oh there's a computer in that? an ATM is a computer? even in my AMEX Blue?
"I only want my cell phone for emergencies" -- 800 minutes a month
"I want my computer to study" -- where the best camping spots in the Facing Worlds map are
"I want to use my computer to write" -- down the best porn sites
"I meet more people on the internet than I do in school" -- and only one of them tried to lure me to the mall
"I think the DVD medium is important" -- to pornography
"A faster connection to the internet will help get me off the computer faster" -- oh I'm sorry I meant get off faster, God I love streaming video
"My child uses the computer to study" -- of course I can't get past that pesky Windows password to check
"Email has brought out family closer" -- by keeping us apart
"Chat rooms are for normal people" -- and agoraphobics
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In game saves?
That was the most annoying crap. I went through once and stopped playing.
Oh yeah; how do I import my Barbarian into The SIMS?
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--Seems good. Needs a feature that locks in Howard Stern every morning.
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Leather Godesses of Phobos...
That scratch and Sniff didn't smell like pizza to me!
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But if you're the "power user" as the poster above referred to, yet you're not interested in using the best tool for the job, you might have a little cognitive dissonance
Well that's just the thing... What is better than Quicken? What bank is going to allow some GBanking, or KBank proggy to hook up to their servers and exchange info. You don't even want to say Linux to your bank, trust me.
She is for all intents and purposes a power user (and not a witch by long shot.) She is PowerPoint trainer (amongst other things at her co) and a gen'l pain in the ass to her beleagured Sys Admin who has to "figure out" how to open ports like 20 and 21 on the Corp FW so she can train on "exotic topics" like (that's what her Sys Admin called) FTP.
If she can't see the value of Linux in her day to day computing how on Earth can the AOL set be expected to?
I'm a Sys Admin, I saw the value and worth of Linux around RH5.2 (OK so I came late to the party)but I do this crap for a living.
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Preview I don't need preview!
That's NT power user wife...
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--Can't have that fight, what version of Linux are you running?
--Therein lies the problem.
--I posted (way earlier) in this thread that my NY power user wife hated Linux (RH 6.2) and listed some of the reasons she hated it.
--Lots of folks complained that "all she had to do" was run VM Ware, WINE... Anyone could untar, RPMs made everything easy. Load 100 pt fonts for NS, don't use NS use this. Don't do this do that.
--In Windows she clicks on things and they open she has no idea how or why they just do and she's happy. She knows how to ping and tracert and adjust things in the registry but mostly she doesn't have to b/c mostly things work.
--She loves some of the "Linux Things" (RH 6.2) Multiple windows, CRTL-ALT-BkSpace (read she like X-Windows) but everything else is "too hard."
--She's the person Linux needs to win over to win the desktop wars. She isn't even one of those AOL types! She's a moderately experienced user who trains people in PowerPoint (she thought Star Office was a joke like PYST, seriously) and taught her staff how to FTP. And then got her Admin to open the FTP port on their firewall.
--But she finds Linux too hard and too clunky. I'd say that she's on to something.
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So far this discussion has said:
1 - Linux needs more games
2 - Linux needs to have an Office suite "like" Office
3 - Linux needs to be easy enough for my Mom to use it
1 - Linux needs HW support to support games and games dictate HW. Why else would people be buying 32MB video cards? No one who types letters needs that! Games are a huge part of the desktop! Linux could rock here.
2 - Yup. Office bites, no doubt about it. Now try and get your secretary to use Star Office to make your presentation ala Power Point. Last Year at Linux World NYC they were all using Power Point for their presentations. Not Applixware or SO or Corel. They weren't even using WINE. This speaks volumes about Linux' lack of a proper Office suite.
3 - Wrong. All computers are currently too hard to use. I need to do "1337" computer stuff. My Mom needs to surf the web and get her mail. My Mom and the rest of the planet need the computer to be more like the refrigerator. Single purposed, intuitive and reliable.
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We all know that he who controls the desktop will eventually control the server market
Why do you think this? It isn't currently true. It has never been true. Why would it ever become true?
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About the gaming industry as a whole.
They see Linux as a threat. Open Source yadda yadda. I have spoken to folks at Papyrus and they'd like to at least have N4 servers but they are "not allowed" to do it.
Plus chances are most gamers are not interested in trying to get their 3D cards to work, or their USB joysticks, yadda yadda. THere is little incentive for the Gaming Industry to care about Linux.
Regrettably games are still a huge draw to the PC users.
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As soon as we get some decent apps OSX will rock.
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I'd like very much for your vision of the future to be reality, but sadly it is not.
I went to college and we used Unix and Macs. I use Linux at home and as "The Reliable Server" at work. NT everywhere else.
Dell sells a lot of servers to corporate America they all come with NT.
Windows is deeply flawed and insecure, Office ia a bloated pig. The NT set needs VPN b/c FTP and Gopher are a mystery to them.
And the world's offices run on... Windows.
The Amiga was better, OS/2 was better, GeoWorks, Unix, etc, etc. Why does everyone seem to be using WIN?
Must be something.
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--I have Linux on almost all of my machines. I have one purely WIN box in my house and my wife uses that.
.zip files and have them do their job.
--It started with, "I don't care if it's better, I can't run Quicken. I don't want to run something as good as Quicken I want to run Quicken. I can barely see the words in Netscape. Why can't I play The Sims on it? Nothing works. I want Office, I hate Star Office it is ugly. Dell says they can't help me becuase the machine came with Windows 98."
--I gave up after that. She's not a stupid user either. She's a power user for the NT set. She just wants things to work as expected. tar -xvf doesn't make her happy. She like to click on
--I love Linux and tweaking and such but guess what I can't play NASCAR 4 on it.
--Linux never stood much of a chance
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--Current predictions place the final IPv4 addresses to run out on Thrusday.
--IPv6 is currently illegal as people use it for Quake and Quake kills High School Students.
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I realize this will seem all flamey but:
W2K = 0 Problems
OSX = Many, many problems.
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