There is NO password for root out of the box. This is known.
I used sudo to create a password for root. This is accomplished many ways. The Netinfo route did not work. Using sudo did. I found that on some site or another.
I maintain that you shouldn't have to turn root on. Maybe (because you haven't read the whole thread (which is kind of long by now)) you've missed the point of having to "turn on root". It should be ready to go out of the box like anyother *nix install. ---
And by 'wierd bash shell quirks', do you mean the fact that bash is not installed, and you're using tcsh?:)
Someone else mentioned that and I forgot to respond.
I installed bash (I picked it up from OSXFAQ or something) and it looks like bash, mostly acts like bash but it isn't quite bash. I'm not in front of it at this second so I can't elaborate.
babysitting the installer for 45 minutes, when you could have answered all the questions up front and done something else with your time, is not a reasonable headache. There's no added level of guru-ship to be demonstrated by having to shepherd the install step-by-step
Well that's just it. You don't need to sit with the install. In fact, doing so shows your (?) non-guru-ship. You _could_ be using a script to answer all all questions up front. You _should_ use a script. Not knowing about scripting shows a lack of guru-ship. Even if you never deploy a setup that was (for whatever reason) you should be aware of it. And know it will save you time.
I've reads your post 4 times I think we might be arguing the same point. ---
>>Root is disabled by default as uneccissary for home use. The password is the same as the password for the first admin created when you first install. You can turn it on in Netinfo, if you so choose.
Not true. But you can run sudo.
4 -- "Classic Mode" == "So slow you want to die mode"
I think you mis-spelled "I never used OS X in my life cause if I had, I would know that Classic runs at about 95% the speed it does by itself, while running inside of OS X" or maybe you meant to say "Classic really runs perfectly fine. In fact "The Sims" plays perfectly (which btw is a good trick) while running in classic on a 266 iMac"
No I meant things run really slow. It take forever to load "Classic Mode." Lotus Notes, Office 2001, Diablo, etc they run really reall slow.
Well in some ways I agree with you. But in others I do not.
Computers are hard. They are not refrigerators.
You plug a refrigerator in and you open in and put things in it and you are done. A refrigerator is an appliance.
Most people wish their computers were appliances. The Palm Pilot (and it's ilk) are very much appliances. You don't *really* install things on a Palm Pilot you put it there. And it runs.
A modern computer is not an appliance. It is a difficult mess of many things. This requires knowledge. You *should* be aware of your operating system's features if you plan to install it AND complain about it.
The average joe probably shouldn't be installing their own OS. OS configuration is hard. Maybe it will be easy someday (OS/X is a step in the right direction.)
Computers are NOT for everyone. Computer applications are. ---
When I install Linux (RH SuSE whatever) I assign a password for root and go about my business.
When I install OSX I make and admin and some users and when i need to install (make, install) somehting I can not until I run (this mught be wrong) sudo root pswd and assign root a password.
Apple did this to "protect" the end user. Very odd if you ask me. ---
Dude seriously now. I loved my A500 (with the GVP 240MB HD + 030 chip... 12MB RAM) and my 3000 but Amiga's crashed incessantly.
Guru Meditation was like a friggin' screen saver.
Amiga OS: Hmm 15 minutes, hey time to put up the screen saver. Where are those Flying Toasters? I know I left them... Ahh screw it I'll put up the Guru Meditation screen saver. Ow! What's happening? I can't see, I can't... ---
Don't want to rain on your moderation fest but clearly you are not well versed in W2K installations.
This is a reason people insist that WINXX sucks, they don't know what it can do. Mostly due to poor documentation and the gen'l GUI issues. I know people who make all their users by hand. Yes it can be done but it is time consuming and no where near as fast or accurate as a script.
Look deeper into that OS you have there are a lot of very cool things you could be doing if you knew about them.
I strongly recommend the New Rider's line of W2K books they will open your eyes to a whole world of powerful tools. And save you about 45 minutes of question answering. And make you less of a flame target on/.
I have a G4 running OSX (with a small 9.1 partition) and its nice and all but utltimately the following things plauge it.
1 -- No DVD support
2 -- Odd OEM *nix quirks
--No password for root
--weird Bash shell quirks
3 -- Software? Who needs software?
4 -- "Classic Mode" == "So slow you want to die mode"
5 -- Looks pretty not much to do.
W2K has been really stable, mostly fast and it's hard to find something that doesn't run on it.
I use Linux most of my free time but if I need to get things accompished that others need to see I use W2K.
W2K is the VHS of the computing world. It isn't the best, but everybody can use it. ---
For a millenia we have lived under its warm glow, and free nutrients! Finally we will be rid of this menace as we block it from the sky with millions of low orbit satellites.
--Yet MS (through SB) is saying some insane things:
--Only able to install their software twice (what about the 8 times a year I have to reload Win9X?)
--Upgrade or else
--"We offer customers what they want" (who asked for a personal firewall?)
--Clearly the kids in Redmond are losing it. And clearly they read things into fairly clear documents.
--The next few months should be quite weird in the MS world.
--A big heavy metal band of the 80s was Iron Maiden. Iron Maiden would release an album and it would shoot up the charts and go platinum in a week and then the album would plummet off the charts never to be seen again.
--Iron Maiden made the real $ off of touring & merchandise (they had a mascot which helped merchandise sales greatly.)
--Mandrake would be in the same boat. But of course Mandrake couldn't go on tour (could they?) Worse for them is that I don't believe they're the most popular distro. So how well could this idea actually work?
--In any event using your "fans" as a business model is a really stupid idea. ---
If you've ever broken a laptop to bits you would see (gen'lly across the top) a long thin flourescent light bult that lights the screen so you can see it. It's like that on some old Fujitsu P133s and the Toshiba Tecras (does that mean refrigerator in Japanese?). ---
And if you're unlucky enough to be in a mixed enviroment (read, me) you have to deal with IIS, Apache, Windows, Red Hat, WS-FTP and whatever else has zillion holes in it... AND you have to deal with all the crap mentioned above.
It's a lot of work.
Hire someone you say? Shit, they don't even want to pay me! The way they see I cost them money! ---
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I told him I need one to live.
He said I could have two but I have to put UT back on the server and unblock all porn sites.
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OK you win. I don't care anymore. I concede defeat or capitulation or whatever.
Netinfo didn't work sudo did.
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No No No...
Start at the top of the thread.
There is NO password for root out of the box. This is known.
I used sudo to create a password for root. This is accomplished many ways. The Netinfo route did not work. Using sudo did. I found that on some site or another.
I maintain that you shouldn't have to turn root on. Maybe (because you haven't read the whole thread (which is kind of long by now)) you've missed the point of having to "turn on root". It should be ready to go out of the box like anyother *nix install.
---
I also volunteer time at a local school to teach computer literacy, mostly to kids and to seniors.
I always start with hardware:
This is a mouse. A mouse has two buttons...
Then Windows 9X interface:
This is the desktop. These are icons. This is the systray. This is the Start button, you use it to shut off your computer.
Then file management:
You save files here. You name them like this. You can do this with them.
Cut Copy and Paste. This is Microsoft Word.
Then ALL PROGRAMS ARE THE SAME:
This is the X button, this is restore this is minimize.
Then the internet:
This is a URL, a URL is decoded at a DNS server. I can put in a number or a name.
Right clicking does this...
Cut Copy and Paste to a Word document
Cut Copy and Paste to email.
This is email. This is an attachment. Be careful attachments can have viruses.
Then Bring it all together.
IN the middle of this we use PAINT to get mouse movement down, then whack a mole for the same purpose. Mavis Beacon Typing knock off.
Finally we talk about other types of computers, mostly Linux and Macintosh. I show them that and send them on their way.
The full course is 8 weeks.
Advanced courses include:
Comand prompts, bat files, Perl, HTML and ultimately creating a web page with some dancing baloney.
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I also volunteer time at a local school to teach computer literacy, mostly to kids and to seniors.
I always start with hardware:
This is a mouse. A mouse has two buttons...
Then Windows 9X interface:
This is the desktop. These are icons. This is the systray. This is the Start button, you use it to shut off your computer.
Then file management:
You save files here. You name them like this. You can do this with them.
Cut Copy and Paste. This is Microsoft Word.
Then ALL PROGRAMS ARE THE SAME:
This is the X button, this is restore this is minimize.
Then the internet:
This is a URL, a URL is decoded at a DNS server. I can put in a number or a name.
Right clicking does this...
Cut Copy and Paste to a Word document
Cut Copy and Paste to email.
This is email. This is an attachment. Be careful attachments can have viruses.
Then Bring it all together.
IN the middle of this we use PAINT to get mouse movement down, then whack a mole for the same purpose. Mavis Beacon Typing knock off.
Finally we talk about other types of computers, mostly Linux and Macintosh. I show them that and send them on their way.
The full course is 8 weeks.
Advanced courses include:
Comand prompts, bat files, Perl, HTML and ultimately creating a web page with some dancing baloney.
---
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Ugly chicks Ugly chicks!
Worse than goatse!
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I'll bet this /.er is right
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And by 'wierd bash shell quirks', do you mean the fact that bash is not installed, and you're using tcsh? :)
Someone else mentioned that and I forgot to respond.
I installed bash (I picked it up from OSXFAQ or something) and it looks like bash, mostly acts like bash but it isn't quite bash. I'm not in front of it at this second so I can't elaborate.
BTW I have 384MB of RAM (3 x 128)
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But I did know how to turn on root. I used sudo. No one should have to turn on root, that's the point.
<Nasty_Comments_About_You>So There!</Nasty_Comments_About_You>
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babysitting the installer for 45 minutes, when you could have answered all the questions up front and done something else with your time, is not a reasonable headache. There's no added level of guru-ship to be demonstrated by having to shepherd the install step-by-step
Well that's just it. You don't need to sit with the install. In fact, doing so shows your (?) non-guru-ship. You _could_ be using a script to answer all all questions up front. You _should_ use a script. Not knowing about scripting shows a lack of guru-ship. Even if you never deploy a setup that was (for whatever reason) you should be aware of it. And know it will save you time.
I've reads your post 4 times I think we might be arguing the same point.
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It's a G4 (as stated at the top of my post. G4, supported.
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--No password for root"
>>Root is disabled by default as uneccissary for home use. The password is the same as the password for the first admin created when you first install. You can turn it on in Netinfo, if you so choose.
Not true. But you can run sudo.
4 -- "Classic Mode" == "So slow you want to die mode"
I think you mis-spelled "I never used OS X in my life cause if I had, I would know that Classic runs at about 95% the speed it does by itself, while running inside of OS X" or maybe you meant to say "Classic really runs perfectly fine. In fact "The Sims" plays perfectly (which btw is a good trick) while running in classic on a 266 iMac"
No I meant things run really slow. It take forever to load "Classic Mode." Lotus Notes, Office 2001, Diablo, etc they run really reall slow.
---
Well in some ways I agree with you. But in others I do not.
Computers are hard. They are not refrigerators.
You plug a refrigerator in and you open in and put things in it and you are done. A refrigerator is an appliance.
Most people wish their computers were appliances. The Palm Pilot (and it's ilk) are very much appliances. You don't *really* install things on a Palm Pilot you put it there. And it runs.
A modern computer is not an appliance. It is a difficult mess of many things. This requires knowledge. You *should* be aware of your operating system's features if you plan to install it AND complain about it.
The average joe probably shouldn't be installing their own OS. OS configuration is hard. Maybe it will be easy someday (OS/X is a step in the right direction.)
Computers are NOT for everyone. Computer applications are.
---
You don't find this an odd quirk.
When I install Linux (RH SuSE whatever) I assign a password for root and go about my business.
When I install OSX I make and admin and some users and when i need to install (make, install) somehting I can not until I run (this mught be wrong) sudo root pswd and assign root a password.
Apple did this to "protect" the end user. Very odd if you ask me.
---
Dude seriously now. I loved my A500 (with the GVP 240MB HD + 030 chip... 12MB RAM) and my 3000 but Amiga's crashed incessantly.
Guru Meditation was like a friggin' screen saver.
Amiga OS: Hmm 15 minutes, hey time to put up the screen saver. Where are those Flying Toasters? I know I left them... Ahh screw it I'll put up the Guru Meditation screen saver. Ow! What's happening? I can't see, I can't...
---
Don't want to rain on your moderation fest but clearly you are not well versed in W2K installations.
/.
This is a reason people insist that WINXX sucks, they don't know what it can do. Mostly due to poor documentation and the gen'l GUI issues. I know people who make all their users by hand. Yes it can be done but it is time consuming and no where near as fast or accurate as a script.
Look deeper into that OS you have there are a lot of very cool things you could be doing if you knew about them.
I strongly recommend the New Rider's line of W2K books they will open your eyes to a whole world of powerful tools. And save you about 45 minutes of question answering. And make you less of a flame target on
---
I have a G4 running OSX (with a small 9.1 partition) and its nice and all but utltimately the following things plauge it.
1 -- No DVD support
2 -- Odd OEM *nix quirks
--No password for root
--weird Bash shell quirks
3 -- Software? Who needs software?
4 -- "Classic Mode" == "So slow you want to die mode"
5 -- Looks pretty not much to do.
W2K has been really stable, mostly fast and it's hard to find something that doesn't run on it.
I use Linux most of my free time but if I need to get things accompished that others need to see I use W2K.
W2K is the VHS of the computing world. It isn't the best, but everybody can use it.
---
The Sun!
For a millenia we have lived under its warm glow, and free nutrients! Finally we will be rid of this menace as we block it from the sky with millions of low orbit satellites.
Excellent.
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So through, like, incoherency we can, like, be cool? And like, we all just wanta be cool and stuff?
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for taking our posts and compiling them into a book; how the Hell can New Zealand sue Legos for anything?
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--I think not.
--Yet MS (through SB) is saying some insane things:
--Only able to install their software twice (what about the 8 times a year I have to reload Win9X?)
--Upgrade or else
--"We offer customers what they want" (who asked for a personal firewall?)
--Clearly the kids in Redmond are losing it. And clearly they read things into fairly clear documents.
--The next few months should be quite weird in the MS world.
---
Is your web page a spoof like Spinal Tap?
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--A big heavy metal band of the 80s was Iron Maiden. Iron Maiden would release an album and it would shoot up the charts and go platinum in a week and then the album would plummet off the charts never to be seen again.
--Iron Maiden made the real $ off of touring & merchandise (they had a mascot which helped merchandise sales greatly.)
--Mandrake would be in the same boat. But of course Mandrake couldn't go on tour (could they?) Worse for them is that I don't believe they're the most popular distro. So how well could this idea actually work?
--In any event using your "fans" as a business model is a really stupid idea.
---
If you've ever broken a laptop to bits you would see (gen'lly across the top) a long thin flourescent light bult that lights the screen so you can see it. It's like that on some old Fujitsu P133s and the Toshiba Tecras (does that mean refrigerator in Japanese?).
---
And if you're unlucky enough to be in a mixed enviroment (read, me) you have to deal with IIS, Apache, Windows, Red Hat, WS-FTP and whatever else has zillion holes in it... AND you have to deal with all the crap mentioned above.
It's a lot of work.
Hire someone you say? Shit, they don't even want to pay me! The way they see I cost them money!
---