This is like arguing that the stairs a quadriplegic has to climb with his wheelchair are the same ones as healthy people do. So since it is equal for all where's the discrimination?
When it comes to child rearing the roles are not equally symmetrical. Only the woman can get pregnant, only the woman goes through the birth process and the complications thereafter, only the woman can breastfeed the baby. When the baby is really ill and feeling miserable, they naturally seek the comfort of the mother over the father.
She got "lower ratings" because she was, um, lower rated.
As were Ken Lay and Bernie Ebbers.
And looking back at it, I find it amazing that you would defend either Carly (who is indefensible), or the hiring process.
You are not paying attention. I'm not defending Carly or the hiring process. I'm saying she looked as reasonable a candidate as, say, Gil Amelio when he took over Apple or as reasonable as Chainsaw Al Dunlap when he took over Sunbeam.
Those gents also turned out to be a lot less competent than initially thought, yet people didn't blame those on their maleness.
Yes, the system is flawed, as it allows subpar candidates such as Ken Lay, Gil Amelio, Al Dunlap Bernie Ebbers and Carly Fiorina to be hired. There is no evidence that such flaws are due to affirmative action.
So why focus on her gender on the face of all evidence to indicate that errors in hiring have nothing to do with gender?
Why is it so hard for people like you to admit that she was pulled into the position for an obviously specious reason and was clearly not cut out for it?
Perhaps because for every AA break I've seen a woman benefit from I've seen ten males take a concious or unconciously discriminatory action towards the same woman. I don't know where you work, dear reader, but statistically speaking the odds are 100 to 1 that the vacation, promotion and seniority rules at your workplace make it much harder for a woman to succeed than a man.
It most certainly did, as HP never missed an opportunity to show how Modern and Progressive they were by flaunting their new female CEO at every opportunity.
Perhaps she benefited from that, but for every break like that she got, as a women she had to deal with a hundred as****es who would give her a lower rating simply for being a woman. If you don't believe that you can read up the New York Times study published a few weeks ago, where the exact same identical resume was given higher rating when attached to a man's name than a woman's.
Indeed. A company is very much like a living organism. It can detect foreign bodies and remove them, so that it can go back to its steady state. In the 90s, Apple's "immune system" reacted against innovators and swiftly expelled them, hence NeXT, Be and the many competent engineers which left Apple for Microsoft (yes you read that right).
Your argument is a red-herring. Apple has been credited as being innovative and consumer friendly from day one, not just since they bought NeXT. It goes to show the power of marketing. Choose a rainbow colored logo, and your user friendly, regardless of your actions. What is more user unfriendly that the one button mouse? Most Apple users I know replace that mouse with a two button logitech.
Were? A lot of people still believe that crap. In part this is due to Detroit's misleading statistics that in front impact collisions a larger vehicle is safer. What they fail to tell you is that if you hadn't been in such a large vehicle to start with chances are you would never have been a collision! Smaller cars have much better handling, much shorter break distances and less likelihood of roll over. Just read the stats, for example if you drive an SUV you are much more likely to be involved in a rollover.
This was a clear case of playing the "affirmative action"
Bulls**t. When she was hired at HP she had seemingly done a good job at Lucent and clearly deserved a shot at the position.
Turns out she was a fraud, but so were Kenneth Lay from ENRON and Bernard Ebbers from WorldCom, and last time I checked those are males. So do us a favor and take your sexist crap elsewhere.
and at this point, [the OS] is also a more advanced, more cleanly designed, and and safer OS?
Apple was unable to develop that OS in house for over ten years and ended up buying it from NeXT.
Why should Apple be given credit for being innovative for simply buying a product. Microsoft is certainly never given credit for being "innovative" when they purchase a company, so why should Apple?
I'm always amazed at the "consumer friendly" image that Apple has. It locked it's customer base with a proprietary hardware platform and then proceeded to overcharge them for inferior hardware. When cheaper hardware became available (Mac clones during Gil Amelio's time) customers flocked to the clones, happy to finally be able to buy affordable hardware.
The operating system, which was advanced back when it came out in 1985 was a sad joke by 1995, without even memory protection!
But somehow Apple is customer friendly and a technology leader.... boggles the mind.
Can't edit a story to correct a typo? It's the users' fault.
Can't understand arcane command syntax? It's the users' fault.
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In a previous job we had two QA groups. The internal group which wrote tests for component testing and indeed was composed of engineers who were part of the developer group. We also had the end user QA group, which new nothing about the product, and obtained a CD with the product. They had to test everything from installation to the user manual to see if the software could be used by the customers as shipped. In this case the least the QA knows the better as customers (in our case) were not expected to be experts (Linux software developers: there's an idea for you:-)
Not to mention the fact that if somehow they did get it to where every student went to a four-year college, then a college degree would mean as much as a high school diploma does now.
Exactly, and then we wouldn't be able to tell apart then the betas from the gammas!
Sometimes counterintelligence sets up big ruses to catch people without giving away the fact that they had a mole on the other side.
I wouldn't be surprised if the same was the case here. The FBI was looking for information on a known spy or source of leaks here (possibly one of the persons let go), but created the "lost disk" ruse not to give their hand away that they have penetrated the upper layers of the Chinese spy agency.
Yes, yes, and yes - if the jobs involve public office.
Well it certainly didn't happen. Thurmond and Byrd are not the only ones (Trent Lott anyone?, plus many others), by the way, simply they are the most glaring examples.
why I am a poor wage-slave or unemploeyd, while my secret service tormentor has now a management position in some state-owned company?
You mean why I am black, poor and unemployed while my tormentor, who was one of the most racist politicians in his younger years died as the longest serving US Senator (Strom Thurmond) while a similar one makes a go for it (Robert Byrd)?
Should we have compiled a list of all of those who spoused racist views? Made it available on the Internet? Denied them jobs?
Hmm... that is a better example... I'd say it is artistic, or artisticly minded. Is it art? Hard to say. Paraphrasing a famous quote "I know art when I see it", but in this case I don't feel certain either way.
A well crafted piece of furniture is art. It is made with aestethic as well as functional requirements in mind. A plumber on the other hand does not much care for aesthetics (I know I didn't when I plumbed in mine), functionality and reliability are the sole goals, and finding the most visually appealing angle of an elbow joint is not even a consideration. The important consideration is access and proper flow.
In the past the answer would have been more or less no. The majority of paintings (in Western culture) were of pictographic quality, and while the painter could and did choose to emphasize certain aspects of the subjects being painted the communication was minimal.
The development of photography freed the artist from the need to reflect reality and allowed for more expressiveness in painting or sculpture.
Does it have to be beautiful?
I'd say a positively yes. I think the colossus is extremely "visualy appealing".
Is an object a work of art if a person toiled over it with great skill?
No. The plumber toils with great skill when building a house, yet this not considered art. It is missing both in the expressiveness and the aesthetics department.
* MS has no skill making a successful web service. Hotmail and MSNBC are strategic grabs of other services or content (anyone have a counterexample?).
Actually their MSN web site is highly profitable and is one of the top ten destinations on the web. What more successful than that do you wnat?
* MS does not seem to have a corporate philosophy that would easily lend itself to Google type ads,
A bigger problem is that MS does have a corporate philosophy of shipping state-of-the-art anythings. They sell reliable work horses, that is their business.
Yet at this time web searching is still all about the latest and greatest. What new features can search engine X provide to make your search easier? cluster by topics, geographic location, language localization, better ranking, image searching, spell checking, translation, and so on.
MS hiring policies are designed to grab the smartest CS undergraduates fresh out of university. Search engine stuff is not covered in the CS curriculum of any university I've heard of. Google on the other hand knows this and they hire PhDs left right and center because of it.
Is rather brain-jarring, sufficiently so to give good reason to call it art.
Since when art became an episode of Fear Factor?
Art used to be about aesthetics, then it became more about expression, and now it is all about being "brain-jarring", like the styrofoam cup of coffee.
Don't let yourself snookered in. Visual arts should be first and foremost about aesthetics. Of course, as abstract artists have shown, it is possible to create visually appealing objects of rare shapes. Moreover often a sufficiently innovative painting technique can be brain jarring at first (impressionism, cubism, abstract art, Pollock) but once you get past the initial shock it is easy to see the beauty of a Picasso or a Calder. On the other hand it's been nearly 100 years since Duchamp created that urinal and it's still ugly.
Knuth is stubborn. That is his best and his worst attribute. He should have given up on MIX and on writing volume 4 on his own a long time ago. On the other hand if he weren't that stubborn, he would have never produced the first two volumes or the TeX formatting engine.
the wealth of a subjugated India was channelled back to London, and via there to building an empire.
Sure they did, but that was almost 60 years ago. Moreover the wealth syphoned off was no larger than, say, the wealth syphoned off European countries by the destruction of World War II. The key difference was that those countries collectively set out to recover the lost wealth, while India collectively set out to establish a corrupt dynastic line of prime ministers that were unresponsive to the needs of the people.
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No, they're the same for men and women.
This is like arguing that the stairs a quadriplegic has to climb with his wheelchair are the same ones as healthy people do. So since it is equal for all where's the discrimination?
When it comes to child rearing the roles are not equally symmetrical. Only the woman can get pregnant, only the woman goes through the birth process and the complications thereafter, only the woman can breastfeed the baby. When the baby is really ill and feeling miserable, they naturally seek the comfort of the mother over the father.
She got "lower ratings" because she was, um, lower rated.
As were Ken Lay and Bernie Ebbers.
And looking back at it, I find it amazing that you would defend either Carly (who is indefensible), or the hiring process.
You are not paying attention. I'm not defending Carly or the hiring process. I'm saying she looked as reasonable a candidate as, say, Gil Amelio when he took over Apple or as reasonable as Chainsaw Al Dunlap when he took over Sunbeam.
Those gents also turned out to be a lot less competent than initially thought, yet people didn't blame those on their maleness.
Yes, the system is flawed, as it allows subpar candidates such as Ken Lay, Gil Amelio, Al Dunlap Bernie Ebbers and Carly Fiorina to be hired. There is no evidence that such flaws are due to affirmative action.
So why focus on her gender on the face of all evidence to indicate that errors in hiring have nothing to do with gender?
Why is it so hard for people like you to admit that she was pulled into the position for an obviously specious reason and was clearly not cut out for it?
Perhaps because for every AA break I've seen a woman benefit from I've seen ten males take a concious or unconciously discriminatory action towards the same woman. I don't know where you work, dear reader, but statistically speaking the odds are 100 to 1 that the vacation, promotion and seniority rules at your workplace make it much harder for a woman to succeed than a man.
It most certainly did, as HP never missed an opportunity to show how Modern and Progressive they were by flaunting their new female CEO at every opportunity.
Perhaps she benefited from that, but for every break like that she got, as a women she had to deal with a hundred as****es who would give her a lower rating simply for being a woman. If you don't believe that you can read up the New York Times study published a few weeks ago, where the exact same identical resume was given higher rating when attached to a man's name than a woman's.
Indeed. A company is very much like a living organism. It can detect foreign bodies and remove them, so that it can go back to its steady state. In the 90s, Apple's "immune system" reacted against innovators and swiftly expelled them, hence NeXT, Be and the many competent engineers which left Apple for Microsoft (yes you read that right).
Your argument is a red-herring. Apple has been credited as being innovative and consumer friendly from day one, not just since they bought NeXT. It goes to show the power of marketing. Choose a rainbow colored logo, and your user friendly, regardless of your actions. What is more user unfriendly that the one button mouse? Most Apple users I know replace that mouse with a two button logitech.
Bigger cars were "better", right?
Were? A lot of people still believe that crap. In part this is due to Detroit's misleading statistics that in front impact collisions a larger vehicle is safer. What they fail to tell you is that if you hadn't been in such a large vehicle to start with chances are you would never have been a collision! Smaller cars have much better handling, much shorter break distances and less likelihood of roll over. Just read the stats, for example if you drive an SUV you are much more likely to be involved in a rollover.
This was a clear case of playing the "affirmative action"
Bulls**t. When she was hired at HP she had seemingly done a good job at Lucent and clearly deserved a shot at the position.
Turns out she was a fraud, but so were Kenneth Lay from ENRON and Bernard Ebbers from WorldCom, and last time I checked those are males. So do us a favor and take your sexist crap elsewhere.
and at this point, [the OS] is also a more advanced, more cleanly designed, and and safer OS?
Apple was unable to develop that OS in house for over ten years and ended up buying it from NeXT.
Why should Apple be given credit for being innovative for simply buying a product. Microsoft is certainly never given credit for being "innovative" when they purchase a company, so why should Apple?
I'm always amazed at the "consumer friendly" image that Apple has. It locked it's customer base with a proprietary hardware platform and then proceeded to overcharge them for inferior hardware. When cheaper hardware became available (Mac clones during Gil Amelio's time) customers flocked to the clones, happy to finally be able to buy affordable hardware.
The operating system, which was advanced back when it came out in 1985 was a sad joke by 1995, without even memory protection!
But somehow Apple is customer friendly and a technology leader.... boggles the mind.
Ahh, the Unix philosophy: it's the users' fault.
Is the story duplicated? It's the users' fault.
Can't edit a story to correct a typo? It's the users' fault.
Can't understand arcane command syntax? It's the users' fault.
In a previous job we had two QA groups. The internal group which wrote tests for component testing and indeed was composed of engineers who were part of the developer group. We also had the end user QA group, which new nothing about the product, and obtained a CD with the product. They had to test everything from installation to the user manual to see if the software could be used by the customers as shipped. In this case the least the QA knows the better as customers (in our case) were not expected to be experts (Linux software developers: there's an idea for you :-)
Not to mention the fact that if somehow they did get it to where every student went to a four-year college, then a college degree would mean as much as a high school diploma does now.
Exactly, and then we wouldn't be able to tell apart then the betas from the gammas!
We've got plenty and they have all had burn in issues.
Not anymore.
I dont think image quality is better than a CRT
Image quality is way better than CRT. Pixels are sharper than either rear projection (the optics are tricky) or even DLP.
Sometimes counterintelligence sets up big ruses to catch people without giving away the fact that they had a mole on the other side.
I wouldn't be surprised if the same was the case here. The FBI was looking for information on a known spy or source of leaks here (possibly one of the persons let go), but created the "lost disk" ruse not to give their hand away that they have penetrated the upper layers of the Chinese spy agency.
Yes, yes, and yes - if the jobs involve public office.
Well it certainly didn't happen. Thurmond and Byrd are not the only ones (Trent Lott anyone?, plus many others), by the way, simply they are the most glaring examples.
why I am a poor wage-slave or unemploeyd, while my secret service tormentor has now a management position in some state-owned company?
You mean why I am black, poor and unemployed while my tormentor, who was one of the most racist politicians in his younger years died as the longest serving US Senator (Strom Thurmond) while a similar one makes a go for it (Robert Byrd)?
Should we have compiled a list of all of those who spoused racist views? Made it available on the Internet? Denied them jobs?
A bigger problem is that MS does have a corporate philosophy of shipping state-of-the-art anythings.
Of course I meant to say "it does not have a corporate culture of shipping state-of-the-art anythings."
I would hardly want that up in my dining room.
Hmm... that is a better example... I'd say it is artistic, or artisticly minded. Is it art? Hard to say. Paraphrasing a famous quote "I know art when I see it", but in this case I don't feel certain either way.
A well crafted piece of furniture is art. It is made with aestethic as well as functional requirements in mind. A plumber on the other hand does not much care for aesthetics (I know I didn't when I plumbed in mine), functionality and reliability are the sole goals, and finding the most visually appealing angle of an elbow joint is not even a consideration. The important consideration is access and proper flow.
Does it have to express anything?
o ya /colossus.htm
In the past the answer would have been more or less no. The majority of paintings (in Western culture) were of pictographic quality, and while the painter could and did choose to emphasize certain aspects of the subjects being painted the communication was minimal.
The development of photography freed the artist from the need to reflect reality and allowed for more expressiveness in painting or sculpture.
Does it have to be beautiful?
I'd say a positively yes. I think the colossus is extremely "visualy appealing".
http://www.artprints-on-demand.co.uk/noframes/g
Is an object a work of art if a person toiled over it with great skill?
No. The plumber toils with great skill when building a house, yet this not considered art. It is missing both in the expressiveness and the aesthetics department.
* MS has no skill making a successful web service. Hotmail and MSNBC are strategic grabs of other services or content (anyone have a counterexample?).
Actually their MSN web site is highly profitable and is one of the top ten destinations on the web. What more successful than that do you wnat?
* MS does not seem to have a corporate philosophy that would easily lend itself to Google type ads,
A bigger problem is that MS does have a corporate philosophy of shipping state-of-the-art anythings. They sell reliable work horses, that is their business.
Yet at this time web searching is still all about the latest and greatest. What new features can search engine X provide to make your search easier? cluster by topics, geographic location, language localization, better ranking, image searching, spell checking, translation, and so on.
MS hiring policies are designed to grab the smartest CS undergraduates fresh out of university. Search engine stuff is not covered in the CS curriculum of any university I've heard of.
Google on the other hand knows this and they hire PhDs left right and center because of it.
Is rather brain-jarring, sufficiently so to give good reason to call it art.
Since when art became an episode of Fear Factor?
Art used to be about aesthetics, then it became more about expression, and now it is all about being "brain-jarring", like the styrofoam cup of coffee.
Don't let yourself snookered in. Visual arts should be first and foremost about aesthetics. Of course, as abstract artists have shown, it is possible to create visually appealing objects of rare shapes. Moreover often a sufficiently innovative painting technique can be brain jarring at first (impressionism, cubism, abstract art, Pollock) but once you get past the initial shock it is easy to see the beauty of a Picasso or a Calder. On the other hand it's been nearly 100 years since Duchamp created that urinal and it's still ugly.
Knuth is stubborn. That is his best and his worst attribute. He should have given up on MIX and on writing volume 4 on his own a long time ago. On the other hand if he weren't that stubborn, he would have never produced the first two volumes or the TeX formatting engine.
the wealth of a subjugated India was channelled back to London, and via there to building an empire.
Sure they did, but that was almost 60 years ago. Moreover the wealth syphoned off was no larger than, say, the wealth syphoned off European countries by the destruction of World War II. The key difference was that those countries collectively set out to recover the lost wealth, while India collectively set out to establish a corrupt dynastic line of prime ministers that were unresponsive to the needs of the people.