um - both actually - how do you anticipate accessing or searching 300M records?
I think this is why it's being sold along with the HDS OEMd SE9960 - racks and racks of T3s make for a management nightmare and EMC doesn't look so good these days.. i like sun - they're not that reactionary and seem to think ahead - granted they missed a few key things (ie the storage market, dotCom buzzword fallout), but overall they've got a pretty take on being innovation driven..
sorry for the misinformation - if we're talking peak system bandwidth it's actually at 172.8GBps (see http://www.sun.com/servers/highend/sunfire15k/spec s.html) and 43.2GBps sustained (9.6GBps and 2.4GBps per system connection across 18 boards respectively) - and right bisection bandwidth..
IO Bandwidth up to 21.6GBps sustained.. true - only 72 PCI slots, but if they can interconnect into the the other Starfire line - you've got a low-cost expansion on the I/O side that would be pretty impressive..
also keep in mind that Sun changed how it handles bus contention - so the benchmarks on these should look pretty sweet
how many unix users do you know who would blindly run shell scripts sent to them and then proceed to complain about viruses.. I think the industry reaction would be quite different as in "oops - *I* did something stupid here" rather than "evil viruses are out to get us".. which is probably more at the core of it - most unix users I've known tend to be a little more personally responsible with their systems - knowing how to take steps to protect themselves rather than saying the problem is out there somewhere..
yet another sad result from catering to the masses that just wants technology to work and not be bothered with understanding or responsibility..
anybody know how much fiber runs through that area, or what backbones would be affected from a major hit in a city like that? - perhaps some of this is affecting the slow network throughput to some of the major news orgs.. I recall from working out there that there was an amazing amount of different networks all within a few blocks - AOL/TW runs through there , and fiber and copper maxing out most all of the conduit..
I dunno - it seems to me that there's still a little fuel left from the few venture capitalists who haven't figured it out yet..
Sun had this crazy idea a few years back that software will effectively be free, and people will pay for devices and services in the future (like the telecom industry.. ie: what O/S does your phone run? etc..) - of course if this does happen - this puts companies like MS in a very uncomfortable situation and leaves them scrambling in falter-prone efforts like.NET..
i hate to say it, but software (while important) won't matter - software should be about solving problems, and by this time I think we've got more solutions to certain problems than we know what to do with - now the only big problems seem to be how to organize all these solutions in such a way that the specific problems are addressed and uniformly solved.
In other words - the money now isn't in all the ppl who can write new books on Newtonian Physics or solve the same set of equations with different variables - it's in the engineers who build the bridges and sustain the services that the rest of the world has come to depend on.. I mean - let's move on - software is only about recipes and tools to do greater things - if we did this right - the people who are doing greater things should see more profit as time goes on..
Staroffice is nowhere near the quality of Office XP.
Probably true.. but the bang for the buck goes a heck of a lot more in the Staroffice camp - personally i'd rather save that money and hire talent capable of figuring out how to use the help functions rather than waste it on license costs AND training.
For goodness sakes though - we're talking about word processing systems - advanced typewriters/typesetting - not life-support systems..
actually it's good business for the locals - I hear you can frequently see people selling CD's on the corner for around $1.25 - $1.50.. just look for the guy making a circle with his fingers.
What about Office XP formats?
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Linux Office Suites
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Didn't the format just change again?.. and from what I can tell the MS corp store in Redmond no longer carries Office 2000..
I've typically been pretty unimpressed with the brain-dead rallying around particularly bad choices for creatures that seem to have pervaded this side of the industry.. let's review:
- The Gnome - where the heck did this come from? All I can think of was those hideous books back in the '70s and all those ugly plastic/wooden statues people would put next to their pink flamingos in their front yard.. wasn't there a gnome that lived in your nose or something?
- The Penguin - Wasn't this from a bad beer commercial with the quip "Beware of the Penguin.." - good thing the linux community didn't rally around a Kevin Costner image from Field of Dreams and run around thinking "If we build it - they will come" (like my old college stadium.. soon became - "if we build it - they will pay")
- The KDE dragon - what the heck is this? and why does he always seem to be around disconnected gears? - i mean - ok.. i played D&D when I was a kid - but can't we break this silly stereotype - or do we spend all day polishing textures on something that looks like a squishy dragon toy and trying to figure out how to do +6D damage to companies with a +12D Strength and Toughness?
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"It's a foot on a computer.. maybe it means 'kick the computer!'"
still the cheapest stable 64-bit box I've seen yet.. also keep in mind they bought Cobalt (stays linux + does a lot with the Chilisoft tools), and Solaris 9 starts closing the *nix gap with a lot more common linux sorts of interfaces and tools - also the only large scale commercial O/S I know of that pretty much gives away their source.
You part of the IBM technical advisory board? I'm sure you think Websphere is the greatest thing you've ever seen.. oh and like SAIC (assuming your typo) is a good example of house that makes wise decisions:)
It looks like you subscribe to hype more than you actually take time to investigate what companies are doing what and for what motivations..
wonder if a lawsuits in order to sue-sue-sudio someone on this issue:P
Don't subscribe to the sales hype!
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Am I the only one who reads this critically?
"We are happy and comfortable with the idea that Linux can become the successor not just for AIX but for all Unix operating systems," said Steve Mills, senior vice president and group executive of the IBM Software Group, during a news conference.
What a load of hype! Will linux really provide world peace and succeed all Unix? Are we that deluded with grandeur? Does the phrase "buttering up" mean anything to you here? and for what?
To help drive the maturation of Linux, IBM released a free Software Evaluation Kit for Linux to developers.... The kit includes applications such as the IBM WebSphere Application Server, the DB2 Universal Database Enterprise Edition Version 7.2 for Linux, Lotus Domino Server Release 5.0.7a for Linux and a variety of other Java and XML (Extensible Markup Language) tools.
in other words.. we know you're all a little insecure and have some weaknesses in your O/S.. come be our free developers and make our crappy products better - because we really don't have a consistent O/S.. So we'll use the keywords "Free" "Open" and "Linux" and give you the fuzzy that we're "good guys" who will incorporate your ideas into the "Enterprise" so we can capture more unix market share and bolster our position for our investors..
Boy, if you thought the MS "embrace and extend" strategy was bad - you ain't seen nothing yet compared to Big Blue's drug cartel "hook and skewer"..
that's right - it's really a question of efficiency but most people are dumbly impressed with just raw power.. I did the '94 race with lead-acid batteries and industrial grade solar cells for Univ of MD - I believe our top speed was somewhere around 85-90mph (good gearing) - but the last leg (only around 55 miles) we only sustained 55-60 for about an hour
Keep in mind that you're racing a car designed to run off 1200-1500 Watts (the power a hair dryer consumes.).. The brakes are much more effecient though with regenerative braking.. we hit our car with the trailing vehicle at a stop light - had to jumper out like 2 solar cells - fun engineering project.
The Solaris 8 Foundation Source Program will terminate at the end of June, 2001. This means:
Ordering for Foundation Source downloads and kits will cease on June 29th, 2001.
The secure chat and code-exchange site will cease on June 30th.
Why are we ending the Solaris 8 Foundation Source Program?
Product sign-ups have fallen below an acceptable level
Budget cuts are necessitated by current economic climate
What does this mean for Sun customers and ISV's?
Current Foundation customers can continue to use already licensed source
Partner Source is still available (for US$50,000)
Other source programs available at www.sunsource.net
Has no effect on Free Binary Program
No more Foundation releases expected ("we may review decision in future")
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Apparently Sun was planning on releasing updates and patches for Solaris 8 as well as Solaris 9 in Foundation Source.. sometimes I guess you don't know what you've got until it's gone..
sparc hardware is pretty cheap these days, and with free Solaris 8 binaries and source there are other avenues to cut the wintel purse strings.
Higher clock speeds do not necessarily equate to better computing power.. and for 64-bit computing - Itanium stability in linux (or elsewhere) may be a long time in coming.
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KWord still butchers MS-Word documents .. staroffice is a little better in the x-compatibility dept (imho) ..
um - both actually - how do you anticipate accessing or searching 300M records?
.. i like sun - they're not that reactionary and seem to think ahead - granted they missed a few key things (ie the storage market, dotCom buzzword fallout), but overall they've got a pretty take on being innovation driven ..
I think this is why it's being sold along with the HDS OEMd SE9960 - racks and racks of T3s make for a management nightmare and EMC doesn't look so good these days
sorry for the misinformation - if we're talking peak system bandwidth it's actually at 172.8GBps (see http://www.sun.com/servers/highend/sunfire15k/spec s.html) and 43.2GBps sustained (9.6GBps and 2.4GBps per system connection across 18 boards respectively) - and right bisection bandwidth ..
.. true - only 72 PCI slots, but if they can interconnect into the the other Starfire line - you've got a low-cost expansion on the I/O side that would be pretty impressive ..
IO Bandwidth up to 21.6GBps sustained
also keep in mind that Sun changed how it handles bus contention - so the benchmarks on these should look pretty sweet
yeah - but look at your iterconnects - NUMAlink?? - last time I checked not necessarily the best in bus contention and only at 3.2Gbps?
.. add to it the UIII 900MHz procs and it's a pretty sweet deal for I/O intensive apps
these Starcats are doing 43GBps on the backplane
that's true ..
.. I think the industry reaction would be quite different as in "oops - *I* did something stupid here" rather than "evil viruses are out to get us" .. which is probably more at the core of it - most unix users I've known tend to be a little more personally responsible with their systems - knowing how to take steps to protect themselves rather than saying the problem is out there somewhere ..
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how many unix users do you know who would blindly run shell scripts sent to them and then proceed to complain about viruses
yet another sad result from catering to the masses that just wants technology to work and not be bothered with understanding or responsibility
That's funny!
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I would almost expect a different type of exploit on Unix - especially if ppl think this way
anybody know how much fiber runs through that area, or what backbones would be affected from a major hit in a city like that? - perhaps some of this is affecting the slow network throughput to some of the major news orgs .. I recall from working out there that there was an amazing amount of different networks all within a few blocks - AOL/TW runs through there , and fiber and copper maxing out most all of the conduit ..
I dunno - it seems to me that there's still a little fuel left from the few venture capitalists who haven't figured it out yet ..
.. ie: what O/S does your phone run? etc ..) - of course if this does happen - this puts companies like MS in a very uncomfortable situation and leaves them scrambling in falter-prone efforts like .NET ..
.. I mean - let's move on - software is only about recipes and tools to do greater things - if we did this right - the people who are doing greater things should see more profit as time goes on ..
Sun had this crazy idea a few years back that software will effectively be free, and people will pay for devices and services in the future (like the telecom industry
i hate to say it, but software (while important) won't matter - software should be about solving problems, and by this time I think we've got more solutions to certain problems than we know what to do with - now the only big problems seem to be how to organize all these solutions in such a way that the specific problems are addressed and uniformly solved.
In other words - the money now isn't in all the ppl who can write new books on Newtonian Physics or solve the same set of equations with different variables - it's in the engineers who build the bridges and sustain the services that the rest of the world has come to depend on
nah - just the reject programmers from the Emacs design team ..
Staroffice is nowhere near the quality of Office XP.
.. but the bang for the buck goes a heck of a lot more in the Staroffice camp - personally i'd rather save that money and hire talent capable of figuring out how to use the help functions rather than waste it on license costs AND training.
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Probably true
For goodness sakes though - we're talking about word processing systems - advanced typewriters/typesetting - not life-support systems
actually it's good business for the locals - I hear you can frequently see people selling CD's on the corner for around $1.25 - $1.50 .. just look for the guy making a circle with his fingers.
Didn't the format just change again? .. and from what I can tell the MS corp store in Redmond no longer carries Office 2000 ..
Put up or shut up, I always say.
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Strange - seems inconsistent with your previous posts
I've typically been pretty unimpressed with the brain-dead rallying around particularly bad choices for creatures that seem to have pervaded this side of the industry .. let's review:
.. wasn't there a gnome that lived in your nose or something?
.." - good thing the linux community didn't rally around a Kevin Costner image from Field of Dreams and run around thinking "If we build it - they will come" (like my old college stadium .. soon became - "if we build it - they will pay")
.. i played D&D when I was a kid - but can't we break this silly stereotype - or do we spend all day polishing textures on something that looks like a squishy dragon toy and trying to figure out how to do +6D damage to companies with a +12D Strength and Toughness?
.. maybe it means 'kick the computer!'"
- The Gnome - where the heck did this come from? All I can think of was those hideous books back in the '70s and all those ugly plastic/wooden statues people would put next to their pink flamingos in their front yard
- The Penguin - Wasn't this from a bad beer commercial with the quip "Beware of the Penguin
- The KDE dragon - what the heck is this? and why does he always seem to be around disconnected gears? - i mean - ok
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That's what I'm getting at. Get rid of the cruft.
So you're saying you want a mod -1?
still the cheapest stable 64-bit box I've seen yet .. also keep in mind they bought Cobalt (stays linux + does a lot with the Chilisoft tools), and Solaris 9 starts closing the *nix gap with a lot more common linux sorts of interfaces and tools - also the only large scale commercial O/S I know of that pretty much gives away their source.
.. oh and like SAIC (assuming your typo) is a good example of house that makes wise decisions :)
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You part of the IBM technical advisory board? I'm sure you think Websphere is the greatest thing you've ever seen
It looks like you subscribe to hype more than you actually take time to investigate what companies are doing what and for what motivations
Wow - this could really help out our trade relations:
.. where've I heard that before? ..)
Perhaps the US could supply cheaper CD-R media through mail order to Canada - and Canada could ship us cheaper prescription drugs and lumber!
Let's use the internet to bypass silly gov't regulations and form a new economy!! (wait
Cut to the chase and tax the mind .. thought police anyone?
wonder if a lawsuits in order to sue-sue-sudio someone on this issue :P
"We are happy and comfortable with the idea that Linux can become the successor not just for AIX but for all Unix operating systems," said Steve Mills, senior vice president and group executive of the IBM Software Group, during a news conference.
What a load of hype! Will linux really provide world peace and succeed all Unix? Are we that deluded with grandeur? Does the phrase "buttering up" mean anything to you here? and for what?
To help drive the maturation of Linux, IBM released a free Software Evaluation Kit for Linux to developers.
in other words
Boy, if you thought the MS "embrace and extend" strategy was bad - you ain't seen nothing yet compared to Big Blue's drug cartel "hook and skewer" ..
Keep in mind that you're racing a car designed to run off 1200-1500 Watts (the power a hair dryer consumes.) .. The brakes are much more effecient though with regenerative braking .. we hit our car with the trailing vehicle at a stop light - had to jumper out like 2 solar cells - fun engineering project.
big hint: read something on tuning - I'd recommend Cockcroft or take a peek at something like this ..
Ordering for Foundation Source downloads and kits will cease on June 29th, 2001.
The secure chat and code-exchange site will cease on June 30th.
Why are we ending the Solaris 8 Foundation Source Program?
Product sign-ups have fallen below an acceptable level
Budget cuts are necessitated by current economic climate
What does this mean for Sun customers and ISV's?
Current Foundation customers can continue to use already licensed source
Partner Source is still available (for US$50,000)
Other source programs available at www.sunsource.net
Has no effect on Free Binary Program
No more Foundation releases expected ("we may review decision in future")
--- .. sometimes I guess you don't know what you've got until it's gone ..
Apparently Sun was planning on releasing updates and patches for Solaris 8 as well as Solaris 9 in Foundation Source
Higher clock speeds do not necessarily equate to better computing power .. and for 64-bit computing - Itanium stability in linux (or elsewhere) may be a long time in coming.
You're quite marked from the modern slashdotter stereotype Amber .. (sorry - been reading a lot of Tannen these days)