"and when I was done the BA degree opened doors just like a BS degree would have done."
How do you know where _you_ would have been had you had a BS degree? Your BA degree obviously opened enough doors to satisfy your appetite, but maybe the BS degree would have opened more or better doors and there is not way to find that out but speculation.
Sure, learning is more than just a result of a particular university degree and never stops, but a good start is a good start and if you think that universities exist mainly to let people socialize then you've had a little too many mind-freeing substances during your time.
Universities collect knowledge and spread them towards their students. And it's up to the students to use or throw away that knowledge. I'm sure that there is a lot of knowledge that your university basically wasted on you since you decided to take another path. Sure, the paper is important to open doors, without it a lot stay closed. But after the door opens knowledge and skills keep you in, and it helps a lot if you picked those up in between socializing and just plain having fun.
"What is the difference between an old chair in an antique store and an old chair in a thrift store? None, except the price!"
"Elvis sat on it" doesn't make a chair antique. A collectors-item maybe, but that is not the same as antique.
The chair in the antique store represents a lot more workmanship (experience and quality) and has passed through many proud owners hands and will be a welcome addition to a sophisticated new home.
While the chair in the thrift shop is almost falling apart and the previous owner was happy to get rid of it. The new owner shopping at the thrift store, if any, is just looking for the best bargain sitting equipment, new or old, but mainly cheap.
Connect the dots, fill in the analogy. Apply to real life.
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For example, the space program gave you $10/month satellite TV, live footage from all over the world, medical advances, GPS and detailed maps, detailed weather information, early-warning hurricane preduction, and a lot of knowledge of the place that this planet floats around in, etc, etc.
It's not the 'return' on a per flight basis, but the return on the series of developments that nasa accomplishes that is added to society.
Just like for DOD, you don't look at the effect of one cargo plane, or one jet fighter, but at the DOD as a whole.
If you 'demand' that nasa justifies itself on a per flight basis, then you're basically asking for near-sighted short term micromanagement. Look that up and you'll know why that is bad.
Just set a linux install up 'temporarily'. Put all required services on it, in parallel with the solaris&win boxes they are 'thinking' about...
A couple of months later they'll realize that it's never down, that questions are easily answered with the many free 'on-line' support options, etc.
Tell them that the only way to have everything but pay for nothing is to go with open source. Or just make that statement and watch them struggle to prove you wrong.
"I can tell you that it's created jobs for me, and it will for you too, if you have the skills."
Plus additionally, I'm sure it has made a lot of products a lot cheaper for everybody out there, saving everybody money.
Software Programmers read this: If the wordprocessor is ready, then please move on to make something new, useful, exiting, informative, handy, fun, etc!
What do you want? Do you want software programmers to keep reinventing the wheel for a hundred more years, writing more OSs, word processors and spreadsheets? Or do you want them to move on to write innovative things that increase productivity, information availability, quality of life or work environment, etc, etc?
Exactly. And that is just what will keep increasing the office productivity. And in the end, increasing the productivity is what keeps the economy growing.
Being able to automatically rolling out OS&software patches and updates on to large amounts of desktops doesn't mean that those desktops have to be dumb terminals, they can easily be full-fledged workstations.
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"If you could just dial up a country on radio and know that someone there will respond, would you really want to...?"
It's called a wireless telephone set in your house.
So you claim you need (3) and (4) to make Linux '?-bicycle-?', as you say, of the same quality as UNIX '?-luxury car-?'.
Then how was UNIX created before (3) and (4) were available?
Ever heard of the chicken and egg problem? How do you get access to UNIX source code, methods and concepts when you're beginning to write and define it? How can you have architectural experience with something that you're still building and haven't built before? If you have any answers to those questions, then those same answers can be applied to how Linux could be made into 'the equivalent of a luxury car' without (3) and (4).
And for the rest, (1) and (2), and (5) are irrelevant for the way Open Source works and you, IBM, we, and the judge all know it.
It's a draw whether or not the biggest problem was a lack of business insight, or a lack of technical insight. The thing is that the people responsible for the tech part (the companies) didn't know much about the business and made bad decisions in that respect, and the people responsible for the business part (the investors) didn't know much about the technology and made bad decisions in that respect.
The best quote I read was "the dot com bomb was a result of a lot of dumb money following bad ideas".
Combine that with wine, which is thousands of years old, and you have great meal.
-> Evolution, the sum of many innovations over a long stretch of time.
Wiskey gets better with time, so does port, and many other things. Linux will keep getting better with time. Windows will just change (a.k.a MS Innovate(tm)), only... time... will tell if that's for the better or just for the change. Who likes the 'new' candy colours over the good old faithful blue/grey?
True, and luckily, I had the choice. I just feel for the people who are stuck with only one broadband provider for their location, because they just have to accept whatever the 'agreement' contains, or have no broadband access at all.
No matter how much I would want that too, the sellers don't care about what the "idea of the Internet" is. The sellers are just optimizing their income, and the buyers their expenses. Whenever one of the parties becomes complacent, the other party wins (and throws a quiet party). There will never be an end to this.
I have more than one machine, but only one has a harddisk, the rest is diskless, hence the patches are downloaded only once. Plus I run my own bind (dns cache), ntpd, etc, so the extra machines don't generate extra traffic, just a higher electricity bill.
My cablemodem provider allows me to use NAT, they just don't support it.
Like the other poster said, if someting like this will be used to 'enforce' limiting 'agreements' (if you can call it that, because where was the negotiation that led to the agreement), they will just be opening up a new market for smarter next-generation NAT boxes.
mail-in rebates have taken the place of sales in some stores. It sometimes gets especially redicilous when one product has a stack of fou r or more rebates to get to the large font advertized price.
If rebates are to be a niche for the few to use, then advertize the price, not the price after tradein of stacks of paperwork and tremendous loss of patience waiting for the checks, not to forget the cost of stamps, envelopes, and cashing the checks.
Then we'd get rebates right away. They won't be as high, but then again if I want to play the lottery to see if they send me a check, then I'll buy a lottery ticket.
I hate mail-in rebates. Either you get a rebate or you don't. They should make a law that the customer can give the rebate form directly to the cashier and immediately get the rebate deducted from the purchase price. Then the stores can mail the paperwork around and wait for checks, and call, and get impatient/annoyed...
How can those lines be massively annoying? They are a fraction of a pixel high, even at 1600x1200. I just pointed those lines out to a co-worker who had been using dual trinitron monitors for two years. He'd never seen them.
You can't beat the contrast and colourrichness of a trinitron. Add to that the amazing life of trinitron screens (they stay colorful and high contrast for decades), and you've got a winner.
If you feel more secure with Windows than with RedHat, you're in the minority.
"There's no substitute for good engineering and professional security reviews."
OpenBSD proudly performs regular professional security reviews. Yet every once in a while they find security problems too.
If you think MS does more "good engineering" than the Samba or Apache teams, then you're being optimistic.
The only way for code to become really secure is by age of the code base, and tight control of the patches allowed to it. That's why most linux projects have two development trees: stable and unstable. The stable tree only gets security patches, and the unstable tree new features. Want security and reliability? -> stay with stable. Want whizbangs? -> try unstable. The older the code, the more code reviews, by white _and_ black hats, resulting in a field-proven level of trustwurthyness of the code.
But since MS is a 'feature' company, they are more likely to throw in whizbangs into the stable tree, resulting in a larger security risk, because the changes for the whizbangs don't have a lot of maturity and history of code review. Hence, the need to allocate more people to code reviewing to make up for that. By the time a design tree has the maturity to become somewhat stable, MS stops support on it (NT4), even when gaping holes are found... If you would want to have it fixed, you can't (no source), and they won't (no more support, forces to upgrade to latest 'unstable' (w2k, xp, etc)).
"apt-get dist-upgrade" for debian is a dangerous thing to do automatically on a regular basis if you're on debian unstable (sid). But if you're on a debian stable (woody or potato), it will fix security problems in the background without problems.
Probably you have one of those cable/dsl routers and/or a firewall (program) and you forgot to open and/or forward port 6881. That would keep the bittorrent speed low.
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"and when I was done the BA degree opened doors just like a BS degree would have done."
How do you know where _you_ would have been had you had a BS degree? Your BA degree obviously opened enough doors to satisfy your appetite, but maybe the BS degree would have opened more or better doors and there is not way to find that out but speculation.
Sure, learning is more than just a result of a particular university degree and never stops, but a good start is a good start and if you think that universities exist mainly to let people socialize then you've had a little too many mind-freeing substances during your time.
Universities collect knowledge and spread them towards their students. And it's up to the students to use or throw away that knowledge. I'm sure that there is a lot of knowledge that your university basically wasted on you since you decided to take another path. Sure, the paper is important to open doors, without it a lot stay closed. But after the door opens knowledge and skills keep you in, and it helps a lot if you picked those up in between socializing and just plain having fun.
"What is the difference between an old chair in an antique store and an old chair in a thrift store? None, except the price!"
"Elvis sat on it" doesn't make a chair antique. A collectors-item maybe, but that is not the same as antique.
The chair in the antique store represents a lot more workmanship (experience and quality) and has passed through many proud owners hands and will be a welcome addition to a sophisticated new home.
While the chair in the thrift shop is almost falling apart and the previous owner was happy to get rid of it. The new owner shopping at the thrift store, if any, is just looking for the best bargain sitting equipment, new or old, but mainly cheap.
Connect the dots, fill in the analogy. Apply to real life.
For example, the space program gave you $10/month satellite TV, live footage from all over the world, medical advances, GPS and detailed maps, detailed weather information, early-warning hurricane preduction, and a lot of knowledge of the place that this planet floats around in, etc, etc.
It's not the 'return' on a per flight basis, but the return on the series of developments that nasa accomplishes that is added to society.
Just like for DOD, you don't look at the effect of one cargo plane, or one jet fighter, but at the DOD as a whole.
If you 'demand' that nasa justifies itself on a per flight basis, then you're basically asking for near-sighted short term micromanagement. Look that up and you'll know why that is bad.
Just set a linux install up 'temporarily'. Put all required services on it, in parallel with the solaris&win boxes they are 'thinking' about...
A couple of months later they'll realize that it's never down, that questions are easily answered with the many free 'on-line' support options, etc.
Tell them that the only way to have everything but pay for nothing is to go with open source. Or just make that statement and watch them struggle to prove you wrong.
"I can tell you that it's created jobs for me, and it will for you too, if you have the skills."
Plus additionally, I'm sure it has made a lot of products a lot cheaper for everybody out there, saving everybody money.
Software Programmers read this: If the wordprocessor is ready, then please move on to make something new, useful, exiting, informative, handy, fun, etc!
What do you want? Do you want software programmers to keep reinventing the wheel for a hundred more years, writing more OSs, word processors and spreadsheets? Or do you want them to move on to write innovative things that increase productivity, information availability, quality of life or work environment, etc, etc?
Exactly. And that is just what will keep increasing the office productivity. And in the end, increasing the productivity is what keeps the economy growing.
Being able to automatically rolling out OS&software patches and updates on to large amounts of desktops doesn't mean that those desktops have to be dumb terminals, they can easily be full-fledged workstations.
"If you could just dial up a country on radio and know that someone there will respond, would you really want to...?"
It's called a wireless telephone set in your house.
I'd like to ask SCO this question:
SCO, please tell me.
So you claim you need (3) and (4) to make Linux '?-bicycle-?', as you say, of the same quality as UNIX '?-luxury car-?'.
Then how was UNIX created before (3) and (4) were available?
Ever heard of the chicken and egg problem? How do you get access to UNIX source code, methods and concepts when you're beginning to write and define it? How can you have architectural experience with something that you're still building and haven't built before? If you have any answers to those questions, then those same answers can be applied to how Linux could be made into 'the equivalent of a luxury car' without (3) and (4).
And for the rest, (1) and (2), and (5) are irrelevant for the way Open Source works and you, IBM, we, and the judge all know it.
It's a draw whether or not the biggest problem was a lack of business insight, or a lack of technical insight. The thing is that the people responsible for the tech part (the companies) didn't know much about the business and made bad decisions in that respect, and the people responsible for the business part (the investors) didn't know much about the technology and made bad decisions in that respect.
The best quote I read was "the dot com bomb was a result of a lot of dumb money following bad ideas".
Combine that with wine, which is thousands of years old, and you have great meal.
... time ... will tell if that's for the better or just for the change. Who likes the 'new' candy colours over the good old faithful blue/grey?
-> Evolution, the sum of many innovations over a long stretch of time.
Wiskey gets better with time, so does port, and many other things. Linux will keep getting better with time. Windows will just change (a.k.a MS Innovate(tm)), only
True, and luckily, I had the choice. I just feel for the people who are stuck with only one broadband provider for their location, because they just have to accept whatever the 'agreement' contains, or have no broadband access at all.
No matter how much I would want that too, the sellers don't care about what the "idea of the Internet" is. The sellers are just optimizing their income, and the buyers their expenses. Whenever one of the parties becomes complacent, the other party wins (and throws a quiet party). There will never be an end to this.
I have more than one machine, but only one has a harddisk, the rest is diskless, hence the patches are downloaded only once. Plus I run my own bind (dns cache), ntpd, etc, so the extra machines don't generate extra traffic, just a higher electricity bill.
My cablemodem provider allows me to use NAT, they just don't support it.
Like the other poster said, if someting like this will be used to 'enforce' limiting 'agreements' (if you can call it that, because where was the negotiation that led to the agreement), they will just be opening up a new market for smarter next-generation NAT boxes.
Wow and you are a sore loser.
mail-in rebates have taken the place of sales in some stores. It sometimes gets especially redicilous when one product has a stack of fou r or more rebates to get to the large font advertized price.
If rebates are to be a niche for the few to use, then advertize the price, not the price after tradein of stacks of paperwork and tremendous loss of patience waiting for the checks, not to forget the cost of stamps, envelopes, and cashing the checks.
Goodbye rebates.
It has worked for decades before this cr*p. It's called a sale.
Then we'd get rebates right away. They won't be as high, but then again if I want to play the lottery to see if they send me a check, then I'll buy a lottery ticket.
"Take a look at this!"
So now instead of posting stories with links, the story starts by strongly encouraging to click right away on this link.
He doesn't just need pizza now, he needs a new web page too.
I hate mail-in rebates. Either you get a rebate or you don't. They should make a law that the customer can give the rebate form directly to the cashier and immediately get the rebate deducted from the purchase price. Then the stores can mail the paperwork around and wait for checks, and call, and get impatient/annoyed...
"for four of these."
Hey, that would be half the space my two year old laptop has.
How can those lines be massively annoying? They are a fraction of a pixel high, even at 1600x1200. I just pointed those lines out to a co-worker who had been using dual trinitron monitors for two years. He'd never seen them.
You can't beat the contrast and colourrichness of a trinitron. Add to that the amazing life of trinitron screens (they stay colorful and high contrast for decades), and you've got a winner.
If you feel more secure with Windows than with RedHat, you're in the minority.
"There's no substitute for good engineering and professional security reviews."
OpenBSD proudly performs regular professional security reviews. Yet every once in a while they find security problems too.
If you think MS does more "good engineering" than the Samba or Apache teams, then you're being optimistic.
The only way for code to become really secure is by age of the code base, and tight control of the patches allowed to it. That's why most linux projects have two development trees: stable and unstable. The stable tree only gets security patches, and the unstable tree new features. Want security and reliability? -> stay with stable. Want whizbangs? -> try unstable. The older the code, the more code reviews, by white _and_ black hats, resulting in a field-proven level of trustwurthyness of the code.
But since MS is a 'feature' company, they are more likely to throw in whizbangs into the stable tree, resulting in a larger security risk, because the changes for the whizbangs don't have a lot of maturity and history of code review. Hence, the need to allocate more people to code reviewing to make up for that. By the time a design tree has the maturity to become somewhat stable, MS stops support on it (NT4), even when gaping holes are found... If you would want to have it fixed, you can't (no source), and they won't (no more support, forces to upgrade to latest 'unstable' (w2k, xp, etc)).
"apt-get dist-upgrade" for debian is a dangerous thing to do automatically on a regular basis if you're on debian unstable (sid). But if you're on a debian stable (woody or potato), it will fix security problems in the background without problems.
Probably you have one of those cable/dsl routers and/or a firewall (program) and you forgot to open and/or forward port 6881. That would keep the bittorrent speed low.