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Red Hat Linux 9 Release And Interview
Gentu writes "Red Hat Linux 9 has been released to the official mirrors, brace for impact! Additionally, OSNews features an interview with Red Hat Linux's manager, Matt Wilson and they discuss everything from mp3/dvd playback, to Randr, dependancy policies and more." Also on the Red Hat front, DdJ writes "So, I noticed that Red Hat's stock price jumped up a bit this morning, and checked the news to find out why. It turns out they've released a new portal product and a new CMS product. Both appear to be based on Java/Tomcat, which would mean it's not Zope-based or Zend-based. But, they're supposedly open source. Anyone have any further info on this stuff yet?" Update: 04/08 05:24 GMT by T : Don't forget that the new Red Hat release is available through BitTorrent, too.
Here's a quote from an article that indicates that the source code is include with the two products:
"Red Hat promised that its CMS solution could get a company up to speed with content management in as little as two months. The J2EE-compliant software will be delivered with source code included, and provides a workflow-based engine for managing content on the intranet, extranet and Internet settings."
The article doesn't discuss whether it is Tomcat based or not, but did grow froma product acquired by RedHat from Ars Digita around 15 months ago. It will be initially available on Red Hat Linux, IBM AIX and Sun Solaris. (News from the AIIM Conference in MA.)
-- Rick
I'm running it already - not technically legally, thanks to some kind people who mirrored the ISO a little earlier than they were supposed to. :-) From what I've seen so far, there really isn't any reason for a desktop user to upgrade, unless they absolutely, positively, have to be running GNOME 2.2. It's good, it's solid, it works - but not any better that 8.0.
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Goddamit! Where's that slurping noise coming from????
:P
:)
Oh wait, my T-1. Oops.
What new this time? Did they integrate icewm with enlightenment?
Kinda curious how the desktop is 'enhanced' this time through.
Karma: Chameleon (mostly due to the fact that you come and go).
Damn. Half way through getting the first disk and now ETA is 5 days away :(
Red Hat Linu X ?
I've been using RH 9 on my laptop and Home PC for the last couple of days and if you don't mind the minor problems of no mp3 or DVD playback out-of-the-box and the new threading (and glibc 2.3.2) really causing problems with Wine...it's a great release. Much more refined then the 8 release (and the menus make more since to use)
To get around the Wine problem you need to "export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 " and "rm -rf ~/.wine/wineserver*" The Wineserver has been resolved with WineHQ's CVS and the other branches are picking up now. The threading problems with the kernel might take some time...
"Some things have to be believed to be seen." - Ralph Hodgson
The entire market is up today, so I would not base any increases in RedHat's price soley on a product release. As of closing, RedHat's price increase is not statistically significant when compared to the rest of the market.
Praying for the end of your wide-awake nightmare.
Can someone speaking relatively technical* explain what is so cool about NPTL?
*as in, I'm not a coder, but am an experienced sys admin.
Where's the bittorrent link from the last article? I'm seeding it, but that won't help if noone has the .torrent file.
The acro-name CMS already refers to the Code Management System subproduct of DECset. The Content Management System offered by Redhat sounds superficially similar in functionality hence if HP wants to pursue a trademark infringement against RedHat they might have a case.
IIRC, Red Hat CMS is a branded version of Ars Digita's OpenACS. Probably worth a look, as it seems to be less dependent on Tcl these days (though I'm still a Zopist).
They also offer "Red Hat Database", which is essentially PostgreSQL. (It takes a bit of digging to figure this out.)
It's unfortunate (to me, at least) that Red Hat insists on "polluting the namespace" by branding recognized open-source projects in this way. Are they really adding enough distinctive value to these products to justify distinction, and the resulting confusion?
So what, because it's not Zope based, it can't be open source? I don't follow your flippant remark at the end.
Apparently you have not seen Red Hat since the 6.2 days...
They now have Anti-Alased fonts throughout the system and I prefer reading Slashdot using Red Hat then any Windows product =)
"Some things have to be believed to be seen." - Ralph Hodgson
Too bad I couldn't get the bloody thing to work. I was finally convinced on giving Red Hat Linux a try, so I went so far as to buy a Red Hat Network subscription last week just so I could go ahead and download and burn Red Hat 9. Once that was done, I went ahead and started installing Red Hat 9. Once it reached the part fairly early on where the GUI installer was to take over, my monitor went blank, and it displayed an error message saying the video signal was out of range. I rebooted, and tried installing again, only to have the same thing happen all over again. No screen, no sound, no nothing. It was like my computer wasn't even on, but it was.
So I said, "Screw this," and went back and re-installed LindowsOS 3 instead, which, irony of all ironies, worked. I had video, I had sound, I had everything. Kinda ironic that the Linux distribution everyone loves to hate, Lindows, worked right out of the box when Red Hat 9 failed miserably. And there's nothing really special about my computer either... it's an AMD XP 2000+, 1 gigabyte of DDR-333 RAM, MSI nVidia GeForce 4 Ti 4200 video card with 64 megabytes of DDR Video RAM, SoundBlaster Audigy Platinum sound card, two 80 gigabyte Western Digital IDE hard drives, and an 18" Sony LCD monitor.
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." - Oscar Wilde
I am upgrading my servers to 9.0 since last week. So far it has been very smooth. On RH 8.0 I had problems with dual CPU Compaq Proliants 3000. Seemed like during the install the RH 8.0 disabled the 2nd CPU on these particular servers. RH 9.0 does seem to have aany problems.
I just use the core OS files, and then compile everything from source code. So for me there is not much incentive to go form 8.0 to 9.0. I moved just because of the Compaq Proliant issues.
Consensus is good, but informed dictatorship is better
Yay another Redhat update. Reading the article I can't seen any reason to upgrade apart from the normal updated packages. However it is nice to see RedHat at least following a sensible, if slightly unpopular, route with regards to pantents such as MP3
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I d/led it last week using bitorent++ (d/l off sourceforge). Worked great, and md5sum matched.
See this story for bitorent news. I used bitorent++ for the added GUI.
Note: no big thing over 8.0 for most users IMHO.
I just finished downloading it (having an on campus connection to my school's ftp where i get 2.1 MB/s, yes that's MEGABITS per second, is a wonderful thing).
I'm burning it now and I can't wait to try this out. It seems like it should be a pretty nice distro...hopefully this is the last one I put on for a while. I think i've had about 4 different distro's on my computer in the last month, its kind of getting out of control. So I'm making a promise to my self that this is it!
They've taken some big steps at accomplishing a single desktop environment. Hacking off many people in the process. I'm just sitting back and watching it unfold. Have no idea if it's a good or bad thing, but interesting to watch. :)
Karma: Chameleon (mostly due to the fact that you come and go).
I am faithful RedHat Network subscriber. However last week I had lots of trouble downloading the ISO files. I think RedHat should allowing RSYNing to d/l ISO images. CURL and WGET are not good as RSYNC.
Consensus is good, but informed dictatorship is better
My first impression: it's pretty much the same as 8.0 from a desktop user's vantage point. The upgrade process did a good job at updating all of my out of date libraries and binaries. In the two hours I used the system, alot of rpm dependency problems that I was having were all gone. However, I must have checked the wrong box somewhere because my custom kernel got overwritten. No biggie really.
Conclusion: It is worth the money. I would reccomend 8.0 users to just download it and test it, unless you're like me and enjoy supporting Linux companies.
"Signal out of range" is your monitor saying "I can't handle this resolution/color depth combination, so I'm going to sit here and pretend it's your computer's fault." It's usually a resolution issue. How to get the RH installer to work in a resolution your monitor supports is an entirely different question...
I'm running an ISP here, and pulling down the ISOS. As soon as I get them, I'll post .torrents.
Karma: Chameleon (mostly due to the fact that you come and go).
Regardless, I'm looking forward to trying RH 9.0. Although I run slackware and debian on most of my boxes at home, I've always had a laptop with the current version of RH just for some varitey. Say what you will about 8.0, but it looked nice IMHO!
"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned for SEGA. ..."
Linux kernel 2.4.20, GCC 3.2.2, GNU libc 2.3 (with NPTL)
I thought NPTL was designed around the Linux 2.5 kernel. Did they backport futexes and stuff required for NPTL to 2.4.x? Also, how can this be stable? They are still finding bugs in NPTL to this day.
Is LinuxThreads still used by default for applications and NPTL only if you specifically set it up to used that shared lib?
This is not a flame - I'm just wondering what's going on.
The article states that "if application writers followed the guidelines provided by the LSB, you would not have dependency problems".
I don't see how any guidelines would change the fact that the non-RH RPMs are based on older libraries, (or newer, as the case may be). That is by far the biggest problem.
Example:
I wanted Eterm on my RH8.0 install, couldn't find any RH packages for it, so I tried a generic one. It depended on some Perl modules, no big deal. I grab those -- one module depended on an old version of Perl (it would only accept that version).
The only solution to this is for the RH packages maintainers to make RPMs for _everything_, which of course isn't possible. But that's part of the reason Debian has less of a problem with that, sid has about 8500 packages last time I checked, a LOT more than any version of RH.
Which brings us to another problem. All the RPM distros I've seen have big version differences in all their 'releases'. Which makes it hard for developers to release packages for the distro. They need one for 7.x, 8.x, etc.
Wow, it's barely even out and you've already decided portal/CMS is a "bad choice".
What, pray tell, qualifies you as an expert in portal/CMS - anything other than your knee-jerk response to Java?
What was up with that interviewer? The interviewer was either being a little too confrontational or just had an overall lack of tact.
Some Examples:
- Don't you think leaving out the mp3 codec makes it less convienient [for the user] and less functionality only reduces the prospect of a pulling force for more users? Is there any way around this limitation of Red Hat Linux 9 for future releases?
- Why was there no RandR GUI tool shipped with Red Hat 9?
- Why is Red Hat Linux 9 still uses ext3 while more feature-rich filesystems like ReiserFS and XFS are out and about?
- Why isn't Red Hat working together with NVidia to resolve kernel crashes and bugs?
- Modern desktop/workstation OSes buy the needed licenses (e.g. Apple, QNX, BeIA) and they even create their own DVD applications (closed source). How about including DVD playback support on a future Red Hat Linux? And what about licensing Microsoft's Web Fonts too?
- Currently, no matter how I turn it, downloading RPMs from the web can create many dependancy problems most of the time.
Where did they learn their interviewing skills? This is terrible. "Why don't you do blah and blah? Your software doesn't do blah. I always have problems with blah. Blah blah blah." I was very impressed with Matt's answers, though. He didn't get mad and say, "Well, why don't you fork the project then?!!" He just cordially and politely explained the concepts of open source and their development efforts. Nice work.Help distribute the load.. use BitTorrent
When it's installed, click the following link to begin downloading: RedHat 9
Uh, that is "statisticially significant".
> It turns out they've released a new portal product and a new CMS product.
That's neat and all, but how about a Developer's version, Lite version, or Demo? The CMS sounds cool.
For first past on large files from a single source, rsync has much more overhead. Try bittorent, and do distributed d/ling. See here http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/download.html
Calling Java out because of memory requirements is laughable. That would be like saying mp3s are bad because they take up too much disk space.
"Besides, I don't like Sun - it's no better than Microsoft, just less lucky."
Sure. Like how Sun is opening up its Application Server, its Web Server, and its Directory Server. Yeah, just like Microsoft.
- Why doesn't red hat have mp3z
- Why doesn't red hat have dvdz
- Other people have mp3z and dvdz why not red hat
- When are you going to get dvdz
- Why isn't red hat more like debian
- When are you going to get dvdz
I'm impressed the Red Hat guy was that patient.I am so disapointed! This release is nothing like I hoped it would be. It's sad that there is so little new stuff. Thank God that Suse is releasing 8.2 soon. At least they have made an effort to give something new. Redhat looks nice, but from a home user perspective I must say that nothing much has changed. No hotplug support, terrible scanner support, XSane 0.89 while Mandrake 9.1 has chosen 0.90 with updated libs so more scanners are covered.
I had high hopes for this release, but I can promise that Redhat has lost me! I will no more go for Redhat softwarel. Create something new and I will think about it.
Wishes for a new release: Graphical boot, instead of the boring old text based. Suse 8.2 has done this. Much better support for HW. Hot plug support. MPlayer included. There should be no reason why this is a problem for Redhat when a lot of other distributors are including it.
Given the marketshare of RedHat, it would be interesting to see the impact version 9 has on the adoption of newer versions various applications and tools. For example:
XFree 4.3
Gnome 2.2 & KDE 3.1
Mozilla 1.2.1--yea, 1.3 is out but many use 1.0
Subversion 0.17.1--never included before!
Perl 5.8--so many folks STILL using 5.6.1, why???
Apache 2--much better but 1.3 is not budging, yet
and more...
When I open the link with IE, it says the domain is an untrusted site. No doubt yet another anticompetitive practice at work.
Looks great, works great, detects almost everything, and it was even easy to get printing with my Linux-not-supported print server!
Only drawback - I couldn't get my integrated Promise RAID to work. Software RAID worked fine, though.
In no particular order.
I could go on and on...
If you work somewhere like a university, like I do. I got the ISOs via BitTorrent last week. It lived up to it's name, in that it was torrential. I got all 3 ISOs in under an hour, simulatiously serving up bits of them to others at the same rate. Then I got the call from the Networking Department... "One of your computers sent over 2 Gigabytes of data over the network in under half an hour..." Apparently, I had slowed everything across campus to a crawl for that half hour...
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream.
Is the version of Apache in RH 9 is the vulnerable version? I would think so, because RH9 was pre-released last week .. before the Apache vulnerability was announced/fixed.
Can anyone confirm?
People should be aware of this.
Uh, I'm sure that companies using Redhat's portal and CMS applications are not running them on servers with 64meg of RAM. I'd say 1gig min. Maybe 512. Anyways, at any rate memory is not going to be an issue.
Besides, I don't like Sun - it's no better than Microsoft, just less lucky.So, please tell me. What has Sun done to break antitrust law? Don't just spout out without being willing to stand by your words. You must have some information if you claim that. Don't forget, in the US Sun is innocent tell proven guilty.
is still the most successful from the commercial point of view?Probably because they are interested in the best tool for the job, and not just having a hypocritical idealogical outlook.
-BrentAll you had to do was type linux text at the boot to boot up into the just as easy to use text mode gui. It is placed there for those rare instances where X can't be loaded with reasonable defaults.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.
On Friday I did an FTP search for shrike and snagged it at over 100k/s. I had to sort though a hundred or so pulled or invalid links but it wasn't brain surgery. BitTorrent was transferring a bit slower than that (~8k/s).
So, go with what works, yo.
I'm assuming you mean 'bye-bye'
Please do a little more fact checking before lobbing slander upon a company. If I were to call you a racist without any evidence, I bet you'd be upset. So too is Microsoft upset to hear your charge of anticompetitive practices.
I am currently using Mozilla 1.3 and upon opening the linked page I received the following warning:
"Website Certified By An Unknown Authority
Unable to verify the identity of listman.redhat.com as a trusted site."
So I guess the Mozilla team has been sabotaged and is now in cahoots with Microsoft, right?
Before you bash Microsoft next time, take a breath and relax. There are bigger fish to fry. Saddam Hussein uses rape to keep people in line; Bill Gates uses some rather harsh software licenses. Who is worse? Figure it out and then go after him.
I hate liberals. If you are a liberal, do not reply.
I tried BitTorrent, it was really slow, and while people say that it speeds up over time, I was still getting 10k/sec after 2 hours. I tried the mirrors - they were also dead slow. Eventually, I tried Shareaza, that P2P app which tried to hijack the "Gnutella" brand, and I actually got really good download speeds. I plan to upload to Freenet once I get the files (hopefully within 24 hours). If anyone with a really fast connection has the files, please consider uploading them to Freenet and letting us know what the keys are.
Red Hat, is that a brand of condoms?
--Drunk as in Beer
This is probably the first release of RedHat Linux, which generates on my mirror less traffic, than a corresponding release of Mandrake Linux.
-Yenya
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While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it has to be. --Linus
Try IRC instead.
Note, with bitorrent (and via easy gui) on BitTorrent++, you can set your max u/l rate. Set it to 30-40kb/sec and you shouldn't hurt anyone too bad.
How in the HELL is this "Informative"? All the guy asked was for someone to post the ISO's on Kazaa... Put down the crack pipe!
I am sharing the ISO's on Shareaza (www.shareaza.com).
TowerDave
It's still not better than Mandrake 9.1 (for Desktop)
Berto
Now I am a Gentoo guy and said "buy-buy" to RH last year
Did you mean "bye-bye", or did you start promoting Red Hat stock?
I prefer reading Slashdot using Red Hat then any Windows product =)
You read slashdot using Red Hat, after which you prefer to use Windows?
If I were you, as long as I was already in Red Hat, I'd continue to use it for anything else I need to do. No need for Windows.
-bp.
P.S. Unless you meant "than" instead of "then"
bp
openmosix
(though their big iron stuff is very nice and the only thing they really have worth having).
Why is the parent not at 5? This is EXACTLY what needs to happen to keep the ISOs from being slashdotted.
When Red Hat Linux 9 ISO files showed up on BitTorrent, I thought there might be some folks out there with dialup connections that may want it but could not get them due to bandwidth and time. So I decided to sell them on eBay. In case you didn't know the CD's are GPL so I'm not breaking any laws there. It was pretty clear from the description that CD's I'm selling were burned copies and that they weren't the original boxed Red Hat you get at the store shelf. Anyway, immediately I got an email from Red Hat accusing me of trademark infringement and told me to stop selling them. With some grumbling, I immediately stopped selling them but the story doesn't end there. They also got eBay to take all the past closed auctions off the system and emailed everyone who bought the CD's that they just have purchased "Unauthorized Copy" meaning pirated, bootleg illegal copies. I had bunch of law abiding citizens who were confused and afraid that they might get into trouble for buying those CD's. Let just say that I've spent hours explaining that not only copying GPL'd software was perfectly legal, it was encouraged. Despite my best efforts I'm not sure if I was able to undo the damage the Red Hat has done.
I think it's perfectly within the company's rights to protect their trademark and their good name. I also think it's also perfectly fine for company to try to protect their bottom line. However when that effort comes at the cost of doing harm to the community which brought the company into existance, I have some problem with that.
I read recently that RH9 was going to include wlan-ng instead of the older 2Mbs hobbled wlan that they have had in prior versions. Can someone confirm/deny this?
Recompiling and installing Xine and mp3 codecs are a thorn but the most annoying thing about RedHat and laptops is having to compile and install wlan-ng after every install.
Compiere
Compiere needs an Oracle database for now.
Based on upvotes, Ageism is the only "-ism" Slashdotters care about and think isn't SJW
If it helps only one person...
Belloc
I got more rhymes than Jamaica got Mangoes.
What are the major improvements that justify this not being RH 8.x?
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said "buy-buy" to RH last ye
Which means you liked it so much you bought it twice, I gather?
I'm the big fish in the big pond bitch.
curl and wget both support resume; hopefully the iso is already compressed. I guess there's not too much point to compressing it since most of what's on it is compressed anyway.
As others have pointed out, if you are looking for a better way to download it, use bittorrent. P2P/mesh downloading is the only thing that really makes sense today, IMO. It would be nice to see more companies provide releases via P2P mechanisms which tend to reduce bandwidth use as more people download, rather than increase it.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I can tell you that: "I noticed that Red Hat's stock price jumped up a bit" is meaningless in terms of attributing it to "Redhat in the News." Redhat stock goes up and down like a rubber ball in a game of jacks. For every shift in price that seems attributable to some news, there are 20 days a month where it shifts based on the vagaries of the market. Be careful of attributing changes in price reflecting news about a company with a low priced stock like this. Its all over the map and wil be for some time I'm afraid. just my .02
jeff
I'm still using 7.2!!?? Jeeze! The only thing that comes out with more new versions more often than redhat is hardware!
in girum imus nocte et consumimur igni
Hopefully they dont screw over their customer base who installs this like they did when they dropped Interchange w/o much of an EOL policy
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See
http://www.icdevgroup.org/i/dev/forum/disp
You need to read more carefully. You're right about the GPL, the software can be distributed, but not under the name Red Hat by you.
If you look carefully, you'll see that you can't use the name Red Hat to distribute the CDs. Instead, you can advertise it as "a prominent Linux distribution R.H." or "a distribution that rhymes with Dead Cat" or, as many like to call it, "Pink Tie."
You can distribute the CDs all you'd like, you just can't use their company name, which is NOT GPL'ed.
Why do I have troubles burning the cd. They fail the mediacheck. The iso image is checked and correct and I've tried many cds. The first and second work perfect. I could always burn correct with the old redhats but now I have trouble.
I am downloading RH9 as we speak to try it out, this is why this is not out of context.
so please, what distro to use?
thanks a lot
In Canada, we don't fancy things like socks
I have been playing with some of the new features in redhat 9, one of those features being that CD burning deal built into nautilus. That is a really cool feature, drop-n-drag files and click burn. I also like the additional eye-candy with the custom mouse cursors. They have greatly improved the menu system so you don't have that gay extras menu anymore. The greatest added feature of all is the increase in performance. On both of my dells, performance has increased at least 4 fold with regards to the UI. A suggestion to you all who bitch about dependency hell: download apt-rpm for RedHat 9. Its at http://shrike.freshrpms.net. Then, apt get update && apt-get install synaptic. Synaptic is a bad ass front end for n00bs who want a nice point-n-click gui for apt. Once installed, you can quit bitching about your mp3 support and lack of a dvd player since all those packages are located on the freshrpm's apt repository.
The '-i' option on most rm commands requests confirmation before performing each task. Which is a great option, except if the directory is a zillion files and subdirectories, in which case its too many 'y's to answer.
.bash_profile for root:
...so that you couldn't hurt yourself too bad out of the box.
I'd like to suggest an -I option, which would provide all the goodness that we've come to know and love from -i EXCEPT that answering 'YES' (all caps, full word) would cause rm to stop asking and keep rm-ing everything.
I'd even make the new '-I' the default behavior of rm unless overridden with a shell variable or another command-line switch.
IIRC and early RH install (like 3.x?) used to have the following in their
alias rm='/bin/rm -i $*'
I have it on an ftp box here if anyone wants it
ftp://198.189.5.13/pub/RedHat/red9/
Oh yeah I see now. Proof of why the stock market did what it did. Then why aren't you a quadrillionaire by now huh genious?
9. Modern desktop/workstation OSes buy the needed licenses (e.g. Apple, QNX, BeIA) and they even create their own DVD applications (closed source). How about including DVD playback support on a future Red Hat Linux? And what about licensing Microsoft's Web Fonts too? Is Red Hat open regarding licensing technologies and services from other sources?
Matt Wilson: We will not include technology that prevents Red Hat Linux from being freely distributed. Including software that places these kinds of restrictions on our community of users does not help drive Open Source software.
This evades the question of DVD playback.
No license is required to play DVDs on a linux computer. DVD players such as Ogle and Xine are GPL.
And no, it is not a violation of the DMCA to employ DeCSS to watch media you have purchased or rented on hardware that you own.
No matter, these programs can always be added post-install.
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
What I would call statistically insignificant is a single day of stock performance relative to an index.
wget ftp://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/redhat/ 9/en/iso/i386/shrike-i386-disc1.iso/ 9/en/iso/i386/shrike-i386-disc2.iso/ 9/en/iso/i386/shrike-i386-disc3.iso
wget ftp://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/redhat
wget ftp://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/redhat
I've been running Shrike for almost a week now, and, maybe its just me, but it seems like startup goes _so_ much faster than 8.0. Anyone else notice this?
Open Source Java would be the biggest thing in IT since Java.
</obvious>
<anti-ms>
Sun, get ur but in gear to fight c# and open your source on Java and release it to us to make it better.
</anti-ms>
Great ideas often receive violent opposition from mediocre minds. - Albert Einstein
Not that I'm surprised. Anything that wants a true relational backend, much less an object-relational DBMS, much choose a REAL database.
FLAME ON!
At any rate, another portal entry brings on fits of yawns. None of the portals currently available do what people want them to, and all of them provide nearly identical feature sets. Whooop-dee-do.
On the one hand, redhat tries to give us lot's of features. But there is a line You should not cross - example:
/usr/sbin/tethereal ... ... ... ??? ... holy f*cking shit! (this was RH80, they did better now in RH9)
...)
... /graf0z.
I have lot's of boxes running services w/o X. For debugging i prefer ethereal over tcpdump. Oh great, RH extracted the GUI-version into a seperate rpm (ethereal-gnome), so i just install "ethereal*rpm" including the TUI-version
oh, etheral needs net-snmp
oh, net-snmp needs gnome-libs
oh, gnome-libs needs esound, gtk+, XFree86-libs
On the other hand, RH does not keep up. Some of the missing feature is miss in RH8 are still missing:
* no ipsec support (no freeswan, no ipsec_tunnel, no usagi backport - no, i _won't_ use cipe)
* postfix still 1.1x (not 2.0x)
* every damned packet linked against ldap - except postfix!
* comes with sasl2 (and sasl1), but everything (ie. openldap, sendmail, postfix) linked against sasl1 (sasl2 has is superior in security considerarion. if using sasl1 e.g. for SMTP-AUTH, you have to give the daemon read-access to the password-db. No chroot, no shadowing
I really like RH as a server-os, it's my favorite since years. But sometimes i would like to beat somebody at RH up
you know, i'm sure if everyone here put their iso's on the gnutella network as soon as they got them off the mirros, it would be a lot easier to get this distro :)
I just got it installed, and I can already tell that they've really shined it up. Granted I'm going to need to use it for a few days before I can decide if I completely like it or not, but for those saying they stay away from x.0 releases, at this point I'd say give this one a try, well especially since redhat isn't even doing point releases anymore. So far so good...
gnutella://urn:bitprint:E33TDQLUQKCPE4LYM5XDQFHBNA NAM5JJ.RS3LOSXZGDHPWPZA4GT5Y2XZMNPYQ7THDGKEUVY/red hat9-shrike-i386-disc1.iso/
L GN MHWWIZ.H2FXFDTRGOOSNS2SF42PXEC3R2KQJIVF3JZVDXQ/red hat9-shrike-i386-disc2.iso/
7 UV 2X3UV4.LUV2HHGN5X7SYMXVVRFMZJEICPUWMQNPAGEOUSY/red hat9-shrike-i386-disc3.iso/
gnutella://urn:bitprint:NMC4IBIKXXAJ6GOTZINTIBH
gnutella://urn:bitprint:EEP5RGJFC655WWDWXAYIB3T
The problem with curl or wget is that they handle only the most simple transmission problems. They can resume a file that got cut off before the end.
Rsync can handle any form of corruption: even the file somehow gets bad bits in the middle of it, you can just rerun rsync and it finds the corrupt sections and fixes it up.
Of course, newer P2P apps like BitTorrent are just as good as rsync at fixing corrupted files, but with the additional advantage of being able to download from multiple peers at once. Rsync definately has its place, but for ISOs, BitTorrent is the best I've seen yet.
You didn't mention Eugenia, so my browser has now been encrusted with her filth because I mistakenly opened the article.
I swear, I'd love to see someone transfer the resources (monetary and personnel) to her command, and see how much better she could do in the realm of OS creation.
After all, she doesn't seem to be satisfied by anything out there - obviously, she must have excellent insight that the best minds in the computing industry don't share.
I've been using redhat 9 for about a week on my laptop. There are a few nice features (no extra menus, mozilla has AA fonts.) I've noticed however that the ati mobility drivers are buggy w/ opengl full screen mode. The other feature killer is that intel's compilers generate some an error w/ libc6 i.e. libc6 is apparantly not compatible (because of dynamic linking) w/ libc6. This is a *HORRIBLE* implementation of versioning ;(
here
I think he means he told RH to buy Gentoo last year. Somewhat emphatically, I gather.
(Score: -1, Stupid)
Ok, you don't want to start a flamewar, and you combine "inferior" and "Linux" in the same sentence without a strong negative somewhere in there??!?!?
Actually, you are right. Linux's thread support has traditionally been weak, but mainly because, compared to other *nixes, Linux creates and destroys *processes* so well.
AFAIK, on Linux, the difference between a process and a thread is much less distinct than on competetive OSs.
So, you could say (quite honestly) that threads on Linux is weak because Linux is otherwise so well done....
-Ben
I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
Well I got it from BitTorrent and all three CDs downloaded overnight very quickly.
I was upgrading a dual-boot WinXP-Home & RH8.0 machine.
The upgrade was flawless. GRUB kept my XP on the list and all my info was kept on the machine: cookies, files, old evolution emails, everything.
And I'm very much enjoying the AA fonts in Mozilla.
A breeze to upgrade from 8.0!
Never confuse feeling with thinking.
And for those of us who grabbed it there last week, but haven't had bit torrent running in a couple of days grab the .torrent file again and point the file to your saved ISOs if you've still got them. You won't need to redownload anything but the .torrent file and you'll become an upload point for a while to help decrease the load on the ftp sites.
rsync will do block compares on large files and transfer only the necessary blocks. Granted the man page doesn't mention it but I think you can find details on www.rsync.samba.org
Dyslexics Untie!
I've had the same partition dedicated to linux on my computer for a while now and it's starting to get tight at 3GB. I tried upgrading from 8.0 to 9 from over the campus mirror but I was getting errors about disk space. This is strange because the install basically just 'rpm -U's all the packages that are the same on the system and I had 500 MB free. It seems that instead of calculating the needed space as (new package - old package) at the beginning of each rpm it was just doing a df or something and quitting the install process when there wasn't enough space.
Has anyone else tried an upgrade with limited hd space? (I searched google but the dist is too new) Is it just that Redhat 9 is significantly larger than 8?
All in all, I wasn't impressed with the network install. While 8.0 had a GUI over ftp, 9 is text-based for some reason, a real step backwards. I guess it's time to switch to a more minimalist distribution like gentoo or slack to keep my hd in order.
I've been a long time mostly happy Debian user.
However I just made a decision to move to RH9 for my workstation, while leaving my server on Debian stable.
I tried upgrading to Debian sid, and I had all kinds of hassles and problems. I had to recompile my kernel many times to get the latest ALSA and NVIDIA drivers to work. And then, Gnome for some strange reason ran painfully slow, like it would take visibly long time to open a nautilus window. And in general I thought it was a bit too flaky for my taste. Somehow I believe it's possible to get all the latest stable versions and still have a stable distro! But Debian sid isn't it for me.
And then I hear RH has apt now too?!! Ok, I just had to give it a try. I now have a functioning RH9. What do I think? Let's see: flawless and brainless NVIDIA driver installation -- check; very, very nice bluecurve theme (man I love it, and I wish other distros would adopt it!) -- check; very smooth, stable, and *fast* Gnome desktop -- check; used apt-get from freshrpms.net to get ALSA and some other extra packages -- it's not as nice as Debian (i got some flaky complains about some missing signatures and such) -- check.
So far I had few problems: biggest annoyance is that RPM hung solid a few times. Namely it hangs in a way that I can't even use control-\ to kill it! I can kill -9 it, but then I have to *reboot* to get it unstuck. When i strace it, I notice that the last command it runs when it hangs is "futex". Anyway, it's definitely embarassing for Red Hat to have a flaw like that, but it happens rarely enough that I can overlook it.
Overall I am very pleased with RH9 and I plan to use it for a while. I'm also an official RHN subscriber too! Good work Red Hat!
ArsDigita never made "Open"ACS. ArsDigita created ACS as an open source toolkit supporting the Oracle database. The OpenACS project came about when ArsDigita decided to make their Java project which is what has become Redhat CCM.
This is true. In fact, ArsDigita's new VC-installed managers decided the original ACS, written in TCL, wasn't buzzword-compliant enough, so they had the whole thing rewritten in Java. But in fact the Java version was never really finished when ArsDigita went under.
Red Hat purchased all of ArsDigita's assets and this project belongs entirely to them now.
Yeah, right. More like Redhat, out of the goodness of their hearts, gave jobs to a few ArsDigita programmers, and allowed them to continue working on ACS/Java, now called CCM. This also let ArsDigita's management save face, by allowing them to say they "sold the remaining assets" to Redhat. In fact, there was nothing left. ArsDigita had been run completely into the ground.
CCM did/does have promise. Its development has continued, albeit slowly, by both Redhat and some third party developers. I believe it's also open source, as is the Postgres variant it works with. One implementation that's been around awhile is the Aplaws project, a portal/intranet app for governments and municipalities in the UK.
And now I'm a Slackware user. I like the eye candy as much as the next geek, but they just took the unified desktop way too far. I was frustrated when the menues were changed in 8, and furious when they were changed again in 9. Plus, whatever changes they made to XFree86 wen't counter to my KVM.
If I ever use their desktop again, I will aviod their KDE/Gnome crap and stick with MWM or OpenWin.
working with memory consumes some CPU. When you do it once you don't notice it. When you do the stress test you can notice the difference.
Less is more !
Here's my IPv6 RedHat 9 mirror:
ftp://r2.ipv6.artoo.net/pub/redhat/linux/9/
I've been downloading the 3 ISOs from official RedHat mirrors, but until I can get the MD5SUM straight from RedHat's ftp site, I always leave them under "unofficial." Of course, anytime you download from a mirror site, you should grab the MD5SUM from the master site and compare against it.
I wish RedHat had a MD5-only ftp site folks can get ISOs from abroad but check them.
--just a couple days ago I developed a serious fubar with some stuff,got annoyed with it, had the disks for 8 kicking around, so I did the upgrade from 7.2 option. Major mistake, it all works, but on my antique machine with the hand crank and double clutch, it is crippled slow. Pretty, but slow, r-e-a-l slow, old 200PP, 226 ram. Luckily I have a second smallish drive as a slave, I put 7.2 on that one, surfing from it now, back to acceptable zippy performance-well, it's zippy enough for me that is, I have no other frame of reference. heh. As long as the main drive is borked with that 8.0 I don't care, I will get a clone copy of 9 and do a full install and see how it runs, if it still is too slow, most likely I will just stick with the 7 series until it gets ridiculous and/or hit lottery and get a newer machine. Kinda like all those folks out there still on win 95 or 98, it gets to the point that you got what ya need. If I like it and it's fast enough, I'll shoot ochre chapeau the loot for a boxed set.
What would be nice is if redhat would offer a boxed set with all the errata updates they have for the 7 series at a reduced rate $, no support, and I could live with the end of cycle limit they have announced. I would get a 7.3 set right now if they had that. Rural dialup is no fun keeping updated.
For a good discussion of the various deficiencies of Linux's threading implementation, even with the introduction of NTPL, see here.
News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters? Like hell.
Here's what you have to do to distribute your own CDs of RedHat Linux:
Step One: Remove the "redhat-logos" package. (If you want your installer to work, you'll probably have to remove the package file and the references to it in the kickstart package list.)
Step Two: Think of a name. It can be anything, as long as it's not "RedHat Linux."
That's pretty much it. The code is GPLed; their name and their art assets are not. Anyone who can't be bothered to do the two steps above, I don't really have much sympathy for when RedHat's lawyers engage the bitchslap machine.
Incidentally, this is all well documented on redhat.com. All you had to do was search for 'redistribution' on their website.
News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters? Like hell.
This incredibly clever and original attempt at referencing OS X certainly deserved to be modded all the way up to +5 Funny. Because, it is just that funny. Just like all the Windows 3.11 reference jokes whenever something reaches 3.0. Never gets old, and required much forethought before conceptualizing into words.
"Sufferin' succotash."
Two weeks ago I spent a night downloading the and checking the 8.0 isos. Sunday I installed RH 8 on my "other" computer (current baby: 15" PowerBook). Of course they'd release a new version this week.
I did not see it addressed in comments, but the root poster made some noises about Java and source code of the SCM system. I would like to note that Red Hat employ Tom Tromey and do a lot of work on gcj, so the question of Java is being addressed.
The general idea of Red Hat is to ship open source, unless it is really impossible and customers keep turning the screws. Anyone remembers Red Baron browser? Now we practically have customers camped on the lawns in Railegh chanting "GIVE US JAVA!" So, yeah, it's JRE currently. But rest assured, open source will have its revenge.
Actually, if any real hackers read this, I suggest to check out Eclipse, and help Tom & crew with the open-source Java. Send those patches, folks!
By the way, Sun Java 1.4.1_02 works with NPTL, but older versions may not.
It's not about details of GPL that says what's allowed and what's not allowed. It's about how far Red Hat is willing to go to protect their trademark and what effect it has on people who doesn't know about GPL. I think most slashdotters are well versed in GPL but there are plenty of people out there that don't. Lot of people who are new to Linux believe that believe Red Hat Linux is really The Linux. When they are told by eBay that Red Hat CD's they just bought is illegal, that really translates in their mind as "Copying Linux is illegal". It seems like Red Hat is going out of their way to protect their bottom line disregarding consequences of their actions. Who knows, they might be doing this purposely. If they get one more person to believe that it's "bad" to copy Red Hat CD's it's one more sales for them. This sort of "copying is bad" mentality hinders the spread of GPL software.
That's why I think they're skipping 8.x and on to 9.. at this rate they can unveil RedHat 10 on Oct 31, the 10th anniversary of the "Halloween" release, the first RedHat distro.
Brace for marketing impact...
From my current download:
saving: redhat9 (1769.2 MB)
percent done: 11.9
time left: 2 hour 01 min 48 sec
download to: redhat9
download rate: 359 kB/s
upload rate: 47 kB/s
Really nice piece of kit.
Cheers,
Jim
(Yes, I'll keep it running for a couple of days after its completed.)
-- My Weblog.
In theory, yes, but in practice you just throw cheap hardware at the problem and be done with it. The benefits of a comprehensive, scalable, cohesive yet decoupled Java architecture outweighs the incremental speed reduction. It's the same argument that poor old C++ had to go through when the MASM luddites came knocking at it's doors, torches lit and well in hand... ;-)
And you think it's good? hahaha, poor poor soul.
"Le champion de France"
;-)
Nice try, but in French we contract sometimes the preposition and the article (i.e. de + le = du).
An freakin' cheese & frog eater
I have been using Red Hat for a few days now... and my desktop keeps locking up! Gnome did it, to the point where even the num lock light stopped changing... so I tried KDE... and my launcher (start menu, whatever the equivalent in KDE is called) keep s locking up. Fortunately, just because the launcher locks up, I can still ALT+F2 a command prompt, and kill the process manually, allowing me to recover. But sheesh. I wish Red Hat would put out something a wee bit more stable than this! Its made me seriously consider switching to a different distro.
.doc files correctly.
On a side note, this is the first time I have tried Red Hat as a desktop OS. I've been using it as the core of my servers since 6.0... and I must say, its getting close. My big issues are no media support (mp3, dvds, mov files, etc), and lack of a good office suite. Face it folks, OpenOffice just doesn't compare to MS Office... and its killing me to use it. I might go back to the dark side, just so I can open
Anyone know of a good font package? I miss my TT fonts....
That's what you are.
In English, we use short form of the article [a] if the following word begins with consonant.
I've been running RedHat 9 (ISO's downloaded via BitTorrent) all week on my desktop machine (10:32:32 up 4 days, 19:58, 21 users, load average: 0.66, 0.44, 0.86) and it seems fine, the first thing I did was install apt-get to make updates nice and easy, the next thing I discovered was that there is no WindowMaker, which is a real shame, the reason stated by RH is "developer resource constraints". I hope they put it back in, anyhow, this is how I get it working with RH 8 SRPMS:
1. Install the WindowMaker SRPM from RedHat 8.0 updates.
rpm -ivh WindowMaker-0.80.1-5.src.rpm
2. Edit the SPEC file: /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/WindowMaker.spec
vi
Change this:
%define autoconf_ver -2.53
to:
%define autoconf_ver -2.57
Change this:
autoheader%{autoconf_ver}
to:
autoheader
Change this:
autoconf%{autoconf_ver}
to:
autoconf
(I don't know what the implications of this is -- I just played with the SPEC file till it worked...)
3. Rebuild: /usr/src/redhat/SPECS/WindowMaker.spec
rpm-build -bb
4. Install: /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/WindowMaker-0.80.1-5.i38 6.rpm \
rpm -ivh
WindowMaker-libs-0.80.1-5.i386.rpm
I also got wmapm, wmclock and wmix SRPMS from RedHat 8.0 and rebuilt those.
There has been some discussion on the wm-user list about doing some RPMS for RedHat 9.
One thing that is great is the inclusion of Subversion -- I installed subversion from scratch on RH 8 and it took some time...
Check out MKDoc a mod_perl CMS
I think you've got a broken build somehow. I run Slackware 9 and it works fine for me with both the version that Pat V puts out as well as the Dropline version. The dropline builds seem to give slightly better fonts, very smooth. Did you upgrade on to an old installation? Mine was installed on to clean partitions (leaving /home in place, of course), I've always felt that tends to be cleaner.
like the ability to use rm in scripts.
they can unveil RedHat 10 on Oct 31
But will 2.6 be ready for production by that date?
Do you care about the security of your wireless mouse?
It would be nice if my comments were posted to the correct conversation....
Great ideas often receive violent opposition from mediocre minds. - Albert Einstein
Why do we keep feeding page hits to this bitch? Everyone complains how she's terrible, but we link to, and read her articles. Starve her of hits, she'll dry up and blow away...
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
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