" and having the latest version of a security software is important"
I disagree unless there are security issues for the older versions. Just this incident with SSH version 3.0.0 shows again that you shouldn't go with a x.0 version, neither should have upgraded to it just because it was new.
After the story about the shower curtains last week, I did try mine with cold water, and guess what: It hangs perfectly straight with cold water, and bulges with hot water. The article claimed to the contrary...
I guess it was all just a trick to let me take a cold shower;-))
Sure, they were the original makers of ssh, but ever since they moved it away from GPL it has just gone downhill. And now they are where most commodity commercial software is: bugs bugs bugs.
What is so bad about openssh that it is a wise decision to move to a commercial version with security leaks? It is fairly new and only the $475 server version includes source code, so it hasn't seen much review. Surely everybody realizes that when it comes to encryption, security through obscurity works against you. This is just the kind of place where full openness increases the quality of the product.
Yeah, I did that. It ignored me... I still get the popups (btw why don't they lower the price if you've seen the ad 1 gazillion times and keep ignoring it?).
It's just like those 'remove' emails in response to junk mail. Just Don't Do It(tm). Your only hope is to make/use a script/filter that kills it.
or make a little Java applet that makes it into a one 'drag' (as in drag-and-drop) or a one 'slice' shop. Or maybe just a 'wave' by moving the mouse over box.
Heck, soon you'll have bought something just by blinking at it.
"Spatial Division Multiplexing is just another way of assigning specific areas to transfer data in parallel, instead of using a serial transfer
method. It's basically dividing a space up into several channels."
Sure, just like HADM (Horse Ass Division Multiplexing) is. If they give it a nice name, that doesn't mean it means something nice.
The local loop copper is a twisted pair and is in no way comparable to fibre or coax (cable). Copper is copper, and in one pair, there is no 'space' to put channels next to each other (even the skineffect is frequency-dependent). The only way to do that is to bundle multiple pairs. Yeah right, groundbreaking technology my ass (or the horse's for that matter).
Your cable modem might top out at 2Mbit, but the protocol used puts 30Mbit in the same frequency band as one single TV channel. You're just not getting it all on your modem.
(hmm they might close this discussion any time now. I guess I'll have to type quickly).
I'm using WinME because that was included with the laptop. Win2K is pretty expensive. Or does Microsoft allow me to install Win2K when I have a WinME license?
"defect in the code or routine of a program" doesn't say that it may not be there by design mistakes. If so, it should say "caused by coding error" at the end of the sentence.
If 50 million users aren't going to agree on the design features of a program, then make 50 million software programs damn it. I never asked that the other 49.9 million people run the same software as I do. All I want is document compatability (keeping my fingers crossed for XML). And that's why open source does work, if there is need for 50 million versions, then that's what you'll get.
Bad design, in my experience is one of the main causes of software defects.
Really nice. Maybe when Debian becomes big enough to charter a cruise boat it becomes doable to actually meet there.
But If they are trying to achieve that for everybody it should be equally easy to go to the meeting, the distance measure should be weighted by the cost of travel divided by the travel budget of each of the developers... And where will the cruise boat stop to pickup people?
That should give them a project for a couple more rainy days;-))
Heh, funny. Maybe the whole idea _is_ that the various SDM channels must be in separate copper bundles and that the agegrate DSL line speed of a whole copper bundle happens to be 45Mbit/s...
On their website, they have a press release that calls it patent pending 'SPATIAL DIVISION MULTIPLEXING TECHNOLOGY' (SDM), and they only claim DS3 (45Mbit/s).
They seem to have already tested it in the field, which explains the funding.
On another page of their website they mention a bit-error rate (BER) of 10E-10, one bit error per 1 billion bits at 10-100Mbit/s.
All they're saying that they are 'controlling the crosstalk interference'. Maybe they're just the first to try that, or maybe they did some advanced crosstalk modeling. I wonder how well that works if the crosstalk is caused by another SDM line?
Will this be another bluetooth? Works well in the lab, but when you cram a couple of devices close together it doesn't work as well?
"Just because you don't have the answers or like the way it's designed, doesn't necessarily make it a bug."
I agree, in many cases it is a deliberate design stupidity from the side of Microsoft.
"The real question is does it do what the programmer(s) intended it to do."
I completely disagree. The real question is, does the software do what the _USER_ intended it to do. The programmer of a commercial program works for the _USERS_, not the other way around.
"As for yourself not liking them, well, you just have to be creative and intelligent enough to figure out the problem then and do a workaround"
If I shell out cash for a program, then why should I 'get over it, use a workaround'. If I need to use a workaround, the software is broken, period. Accepting the bad behaviour and using a workaround is complacence. If you get bad service in a restaurant, do you then not also tip less?
", but I don't think it's a bug, it's just a silly design!"
Wow, now you're making sense again. I guess the difference is that I don't think it's funny.
(When you do insert-object, it does include the JPG file in the.DOC, which can be seen by the size with which the document grows, and by the fact that I can delete the original JPG and the.DOC still works on my PC, plus the fact that my co-worker can use the 'workaround' (sucksuck) to click on the black box, cut (CTRL-X), and then 'paste special' from the menu, select 'paste as a picture' and then the JPG picture does show up... most of the time...)
So the 'workaround' for a non-working autosave is to turn it off? If it doesn't work, then why is Microsoft charging me for that feature? If they are forgetting the mushrooms that you ordered on your steak in a restaurant, do you complain or simply accept that it is missing?
Yes I know (and reluctantly use) the crash+still_open_by_another_user workaround.
The whole CTRL-ALT-DEL business just doesn't make sensem, as does hiding it all behind the Start button (and Yes I know that in WinME you can click on the background to get the menu, as did even fvwm and mwm in the old days).
About windows booting, that's just the problem, a 'fresh' MSWindows with nothing on it works fast and doesn't crash, but as you actually start using it and install software on it, the number of crashes goes up and the speed goes down. So it looks good in the store, but after you've parted with the cash, it breaks down in pieces. Maybe I should take some blame to, trying to use WinME with only 192MB on the laptop.
I would really like the first login box to come back when I make a typo in my password. Just like it does in gnome (after shaking left-right a few times as to say 'no jelle, wrong password'). When I make a typo with WinMe, I have to wait, logout and retry, it's just annoying.
The task scheduler, Realplayer, Winamp, two different battery monitors on the laptop, some sound volume control program. Only one of the battery monitor and the scheduler should be enough. And I have only 4-8 tray icons most of the time. I've gotten complaints from people that their windows boots slowly, and then finding out they have half the bottom grey bar filled with tray icons from various programs. < RANT > It's nuts, that's what it is, nuts. </RANT >
It's a MSWindows fault that after killing a program not all it's memory is freed. In any Unix, when you kill a process, you are freeing all it's associated memory too. I don't thing I have 16-bit apps. Why should I care anyway, I'm not the operating system here.
I've had people call me up and asking for help because a directory has disappeared. If it is a designed feature of MSWindows to make directories disappear as a punishement for moving the mouse just a little bit during clicking, then MSWindows should not be marketed or touted as an easy to use OS.
I can accept some problems in software and workarounds when I know the programmer team is working hard on a next version of the software that either fixes it, or has a bunch of really nice new features that I'm waiting for. Neither MSWindows nor MSOffice, Microsoft's main products, falls into this category.
Wow, I wish I knew a solution. I must be really fed-up or have a low tolerance or something that this seems to bother me so much. I have to use MSOffice for the standard reason thay my documents are read/edited or originate by/from co-workers who use MSOffice... Damn why isn't there a solution. Maybe I should become more complacent anyway and accept it, just like what I do when my car needs new oil, gas, cleaning, tires, and sometimes other attention, or an upgrade because I've had it for a few year... Just like Microsoft-based software does.
Thank god I can use Linux at home. I'll apologize for the typing and grammar errors here, I make too many when I'm upset for stupid reasons...
Just last week I saw a MSWord document printed with 'number of copies:3' set in the properties window, and 2 of the prints had 43 pages and the third had 44, according to the page markers...
Deep sigh. I wish they would solve the image+caption+move_to_next_page-hang bug in OpenOffice, that's the only one I've seen in that one yet (except, of course, for the annoying file incompatability problems with even Staroffice5.1)
"these problems are with other software, not Microsoft,"
That is such an old joke. Actually, it's the official 'Microsoft tech support answer'.
let's skip the MSWord deficiencies, since they're direct MS-software problems.
The main task of the operating system is to make sure that the system operates correctly, and to protect the system from being corrupted by faulty programs. It's Microsoft's operating system that makes my DVD drive spin up all the time, not a user program that's just requesting a list of available storage media when it starts.
It's Microsoft's operating system that doesn't free all the memory that was allocated by a killed process.
It's the Microsoft OLE that doesn't work which gives the black boxes when somebody else tries to view a document with OLE objects.
It's the operating system's job to start programs quickly without them needing to implement workarounds such as tray icons.
"You have all these complaints about MS software, about advanced features not working, but other software doesn't even attempt some of them."
Inserting a JPEG images in a tekst document is an advanced feature? Logging into the network is an _advanced_ feature? What are you saying, that I should use Microsoft software just to wipe my ass and that's it? Maybe I should, it would save me this unneccesary rant...
Better? There are enough old problems that have never been fixed because it doesn't look sexy in the TV ads.
From bugs to missing features, they have it all:
Hmm, actually when I do Insert->Object in MSWord, click on a.JPG, it seems to work for me. Then when I give the resulting.DOC to a co-worker, all he gets is a big black box where the image should have been.
When I receive a.DOC from somebody, 50% of the time there are error bookmark not defined lines printed in the document while at the sender, that doesn't show up.
When I open a.DOC and print it, it asks me if I want to 'save the changes' when I close it without changing anything.
MSWord often makes me wait for an 'auto save', but when it crashes it often knows nothing about the supposedly saved data when I restart it.
Sometimes when MSWord crashes and I later try to open the document I (and I alone) was editing, it claims that the document is still open by 'another user'. Twice wrong.
If you want to logout or want MSWindows to shutdown, you have to press 'Start'. In some versions of MSWindows, you press 'Ctrl-Alt-Delete' to reboot, in others you press it to log in.
After a few programs are installed, MSWindows actually takes little time to boot from nothing to the 'logon prompt', which normally happens during the first trip to the office coffee machine in the morning. Then, after logging on, it takes at least twice that time before double clicking on any desktop icon results in a program starting because it obviously has a lot of other starting up to do that are more important than what I want.
In MSWin9X, if you type a wrong password at the network logon, you get a second chance to type a password to 'log on into windows'. If you type the password correctly then, you go through the login wait but the network doesn't work correctly and you have to (click start+)logout and try again.
In MSWindows, programs start so slow that it becomes common practice make 'tray icons' that keep the programs in memory to make them start faster. The result is that my computer is slow because all of the RAM is used by programs I need only once a month.
On my laptop under MSWin9X, the DVD drive often spins for no apparent reason, eating the battery power for nothing.
In order to move or resize a window, I have to aim for a small area in the corner or on the side of the window. In Enlightenment and Sawfish, I can press ALT while clicking and resize or move with a lot more ease.
After you kill a program in MSWindows, sometimes it still has memory allocated that can only be freed by a reboot.
When you move the mouse a little while clicking on a directory in explorer.exe, it moves (hides) the directory into the directory above in a split second, however when I want to delete it it wants a confirmation for every.DLL and.EXE in it.
I can go on for days like this. I'd probably be very productive as a bug-finder for MS... It seems more like the bugs find me instead.
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" and having the latest version of a security software is important"
I disagree unless there are security issues for the older versions. Just this incident with SSH version 3.0.0 shows again that you shouldn't go with a x.0 version, neither should have upgraded to it just because it was new.
You found one in openssh? Why didn't you fix it?
Use the source luke.
Another one...
;-))
After the story about the shower curtains last week, I did try mine with cold water, and guess what: It hangs perfectly straight with cold water, and bulges with hot water. The article claimed to the contrary...
I guess it was all just a trick to let me take a cold shower
Sure, they were the original makers of ssh, but ever since they moved it away from GPL it has just gone downhill. And now they are where most commodity commercial software is: bugs bugs bugs.
What is so bad about openssh that it is a wise decision to move to a commercial version with security leaks? It is fairly new and only the $475 server version includes source code, so it hasn't seen much review. Surely everybody realizes that when it comes to encryption, security through obscurity works against you. This is just the kind of place where full openness increases the quality of the product.
"I wanted to use it under Win2K since it is the best platform for video capture"
Huh? What kind of logic is that?
Yeah, I did that. It ignored me... I still get the popups (btw why don't they lower the price if you've seen the ad 1 gazillion times and keep ignoring it?).
It's just like those 'remove' emails in response to junk mail. Just Don't Do It(tm). Your only hope is to make/use a script/filter that kills it.
or make a little Java applet that makes it into a one 'drag' (as in drag-and-drop) or a one 'slice' shop. Or maybe just a 'wave' by moving the mouse over box.
Heck, soon you'll have bought something just by blinking at it.
It's already happening
"Microsoft Word for Managers"
uch.
"Spatial Division Multiplexing is just another way of assigning specific areas to transfer data in parallel, instead of using a serial transfer
method. It's basically dividing a space up into several channels."
Sure, just like HADM (Horse Ass Division Multiplexing) is. If they give it a nice name, that doesn't mean it means something nice.
The local loop copper is a twisted pair and is in no way comparable to fibre or coax (cable). Copper is copper, and in one pair, there is no 'space' to put channels next to each other (even the skineffect is frequency-dependent). The only way to do that is to bundle multiple pairs. Yeah right, groundbreaking technology my ass (or the horse's for that matter).
Your cable modem might top out at 2Mbit, but the protocol used puts 30Mbit in the same frequency band as one single TV channel. You're just not getting it all on your modem.
I think we're in big trouble if another star gets even close to our solar system. Which is a lot larger than just the sun...
We'll be jolted out of orbit.
How can you be sure that the earth orbit wouldn't be disturbed by ripping up Mars?
(hmm they might close this discussion any time now. I guess I'll have to type quickly).
I'm using WinME because that was included with the laptop. Win2K is pretty expensive. Or does Microsoft allow me to install Win2K when I have a WinME license?
"defect in the code or routine of a program" doesn't say that it may not be there by design mistakes. If so, it should say "caused by coding error" at the end of the sentence.
If 50 million users aren't going to agree on the design features of a program, then make 50 million software programs damn it. I never asked that the other 49.9 million people run the same software as I do. All I want is document compatability (keeping my fingers crossed for XML). And that's why open source does work, if there is need for 50 million versions, then that's what you'll get.
Bad design, in my experience is one of the main causes of software defects.
Thanks I just ordered the book...
I don't know, if it's copper and the distance is short, why not use DSL? 50x1.5mbit=75Mbit. I think we figured them out...
End of news, not even innovative for people not completely in the field...
Really nice. Maybe when Debian becomes big enough to charter a cruise boat it becomes doable to actually meet there.
;-))
But If they are trying to achieve that for everybody it should be equally easy to go to the meeting, the distance measure should be weighted by the cost of travel divided by the travel budget of each of the developers... And where will the cruise boat stop to pickup people?
That should give them a project for a couple more rainy days
Wow, an accountant's joke.
;-)
So two percentages walk into a pub. says one to the other: 'hey buddy how are you'. The other replies 'raised'.
I guess I suck at accountant jokes
Back to creating stuff.
Heh, funny. Maybe the whole idea _is_ that the various SDM channels must be in separate copper bundles and that the agegrate DSL line speed of a whole copper bundle happens to be 45Mbit/s...
Wow, fast reply! Thanks, so that's what I missed.
Why do KDE people show screenshots of Gnome web sites? Is that sarcasm or have they become friends?
On their website, they have a press release that calls it patent pending 'SPATIAL DIVISION MULTIPLEXING TECHNOLOGY' (SDM), and they only claim DS3 (45Mbit/s).
They seem to have already tested it in the field, which explains the funding.
On another page of their website they mention a bit-error rate (BER) of 10E-10, one bit error per 1 billion bits at 10-100Mbit/s.
All they're saying that they are 'controlling the crosstalk interference'. Maybe they're just the first to try that, or maybe they did some advanced crosstalk modeling. I wonder how well that works if the crosstalk is caused by another SDM line?
Will this be another bluetooth? Works well in the lab, but when you cram a couple of devices close together it doesn't work as well?
How come it's KDENOX when on the screenshot it says "Galeon is a GNOME web browser based on gecko" ... "It requires Gnome and Mozilla"
Am I missing something? I don't see KDE mentioned.
"Just because you don't have the answers or like the way it's designed, doesn't necessarily make it a bug."
.DOC, which can be seen by the size with which the document grows, and by the fact that I can delete the original JPG and the .DOC still works on my PC, plus the fact that my co-worker can use the 'workaround' (sucksuck) to click on the black box, cut (CTRL-X), and then 'paste special' from the menu, select 'paste as a picture' and then the JPG picture does show up... most of the time...)
/RANT >
I agree, in many cases it is a deliberate design stupidity from the side of Microsoft.
"The real question is does it do what the programmer(s) intended it to do."
I completely disagree. The real question is, does the software do what the _USER_ intended it to do. The programmer of a commercial program works for the _USERS_, not the other way around.
"As for yourself not liking them, well, you just have to be creative and intelligent enough to figure out the problem then and do a workaround"
If I shell out cash for a program, then why should I 'get over it, use a workaround'. If I need to use a workaround, the software is broken, period. Accepting the bad behaviour and using a workaround is complacence. If you get bad service in a restaurant, do you then not also tip less?
", but I don't think it's a bug, it's just a silly design!"
Wow, now you're making sense again. I guess the difference is that I don't think it's funny.
(When you do insert-object, it does include the JPG file in the
So the 'workaround' for a non-working autosave is to turn it off? If it doesn't work, then why is Microsoft charging me for that feature? If they are forgetting the mushrooms that you ordered on your steak in a restaurant, do you complain or simply accept that it is missing?
Yes I know (and reluctantly use) the crash+still_open_by_another_user workaround.
The whole CTRL-ALT-DEL business just doesn't make sensem, as does hiding it all behind the Start button (and Yes I know that in WinME you can click on the background to get the menu, as did even fvwm and mwm in the old days).
About windows booting, that's just the problem, a 'fresh' MSWindows with nothing on it works fast and doesn't crash, but as you actually start using it and install software on it, the number of crashes goes up and the speed goes down. So it looks good in the store, but after you've parted with the cash, it breaks down in pieces. Maybe I should take some blame to, trying to use WinME with only 192MB on the laptop.
I would really like the first login box to come back when I make a typo in my password. Just like it does in gnome (after shaking left-right a few times as to say 'no jelle, wrong password'). When I make a typo with WinMe, I have to wait, logout and retry, it's just annoying.
The task scheduler, Realplayer, Winamp, two different battery monitors on the laptop, some sound volume control program. Only one of the battery monitor and the scheduler should be enough. And I have only 4-8 tray icons most of the time. I've gotten complaints from people that their windows boots slowly, and then finding out they have half the bottom grey bar filled with tray icons from various programs. < RANT > It's nuts, that's what it is, nuts. <
It's a MSWindows fault that after killing a program not all it's memory is freed. In any Unix, when you kill a process, you are freeing all it's associated memory too. I don't thing I have 16-bit apps. Why should I care anyway, I'm not the operating system here.
I've had people call me up and asking for help because a directory has disappeared. If it is a designed feature of MSWindows to make directories disappear as a punishement for moving the mouse just a little bit during clicking, then MSWindows should not be marketed or touted as an easy to use OS.
I can accept some problems in software and workarounds when I know the programmer team is working hard on a next version of the software that either fixes it, or has a bunch of really nice new features that I'm waiting for. Neither MSWindows nor MSOffice, Microsoft's main products, falls into this category.
Wow, I wish I knew a solution. I must be really fed-up or have a low tolerance or something that this seems to bother me so much. I have to use MSOffice for the standard reason thay my documents are read/edited or originate by/from co-workers who use MSOffice... Damn why isn't there a solution. Maybe I should become more complacent anyway and accept it, just like what I do when my car needs new oil, gas, cleaning, tires, and sometimes other attention, or an upgrade because I've had it for a few year... Just like Microsoft-based software does.
Thank god I can use Linux at home. I'll apologize for the typing and grammar errors here, I make too many when I'm upset for stupid reasons...
Just last week I saw a MSWord document printed with 'number of copies:3' set in the properties window, and 2 of the prints had 43 pages and the third had 44, according to the page markers...
Deep sigh. I wish they would solve the image+caption+move_to_next_page-hang bug in OpenOffice, that's the only one I've seen in that one yet (except, of course, for the annoying file incompatability problems with even Staroffice5.1)
"these problems are with other software, not Microsoft,"
That is such an old joke. Actually, it's the official 'Microsoft tech support answer'.
let's skip the MSWord deficiencies, since they're direct MS-software problems.
The main task of the operating system is to make sure that the system operates correctly, and to protect the system from being corrupted by faulty programs. It's Microsoft's operating system that makes my DVD drive spin up all the time, not a user program that's just requesting a list of available storage media when it starts.
It's Microsoft's operating system that doesn't free all the memory that was allocated by a killed process.
It's the Microsoft OLE that doesn't work which gives the black boxes when somebody else tries to view a document with OLE objects.
It's the operating system's job to start programs quickly without them needing to implement workarounds such as tray icons.
"You have all these complaints about MS software, about advanced features not working, but other software doesn't even attempt some of them."
Inserting a JPEG images in a tekst document is an advanced feature? Logging into the network is an _advanced_ feature? What are you saying, that I should use Microsoft software just to wipe my ass and that's it? Maybe I should, it would save me this unneccesary rant...
cya,
Jelle.
I'm sorry, illustrator is in the dictionary but painterbrush is not. What is your point.
What is a stroller? Something to stroll with.
Better? There are enough old problems that have never been fixed because it doesn't look sexy in the TV ads.
.JPG, it seems to work for me. Then when I give the resulting .DOC to a co-worker, all he gets is a big black box where the image should have been.
.DOC from somebody, 50% of the time there are error bookmark not defined lines printed in the document while at the sender, that doesn't show up.
.DOC and print it, it asks me if I want to 'save the changes' when I close it without changing anything.
.DLL and .EXE in it.
From bugs to missing features, they have it all:
Hmm, actually when I do Insert->Object in MSWord, click on a
When I receive a
When I open a
MSWord often makes me wait for an 'auto save', but when it crashes it often knows nothing about the supposedly saved data when I restart it.
Sometimes when MSWord crashes and I later try to open the document I (and I alone) was editing, it claims that the document is still open by 'another user'. Twice wrong.
If you want to logout or want MSWindows to shutdown, you have to press 'Start'. In some versions of MSWindows, you press 'Ctrl-Alt-Delete' to reboot, in others you press it to log in.
After a few programs are installed, MSWindows actually takes little time to boot from nothing to the 'logon prompt', which normally happens during the first trip to the office coffee machine in the morning. Then, after logging on, it takes at least twice that time before double clicking on any desktop icon results in a program starting because it obviously has a lot of other starting up to do that are more important than what I want.
In MSWin9X, if you type a wrong password at the network logon, you get a second chance to type a password to 'log on into windows'. If you type the password correctly then, you go through the login wait but the network doesn't work correctly and you have to (click start+)logout and try again.
In MSWindows, programs start so slow that it becomes common practice make 'tray icons' that keep the programs in memory to make them start faster. The result is that my computer is slow because all of the RAM is used by programs I need only once a month.
On my laptop under MSWin9X, the DVD drive often spins for no apparent reason, eating the battery power for nothing.
In order to move or resize a window, I have to aim for a small area in the corner or on the side of the window. In Enlightenment and Sawfish, I can press ALT while clicking and resize or move with a lot more ease.
After you kill a program in MSWindows, sometimes it still has memory allocated that can only be freed by a reboot.
When you move the mouse a little while clicking on a directory in explorer.exe, it moves (hides) the directory into the directory above in a split second, however when I want to delete it it wants a confirmation for every
I can go on for days like this. I'd probably be very productive as a bug-finder for MS... It seems more like the bugs find me instead.