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metalhed77 writes: "A new version of the Nautilus file manager (1.0.4) has made its way out to the gnome ftps. here's the article on linuxtoday. It includes various improvements which are described on linux today, these primarily consisted of bug fixes and speed ups." Good to see that the effort that went into making Nautilus friendly wasn't wasted. But if you want to browse more than your hard drive, HeUnique points out another interesting project which is not distributed with the official KDE package. It's called: KDENOX ("KDE No X" -- you can use it with X or with framebuffer and QT Embedded: here's a screenshot). The gain? You get Konqueror without KDE, with SSL, cookies, proxy, bookmarks, fonts, and without KDE itself. The executable is small (4MB), doesn't take much RAM, and it works very nicely on low end machines ... (grab it from KDE CVS). Update: 07/08 01:17 AM by T : Here's a screenshot elsewhere; first person to mirror gets a lollipop.
Eazel blows millions, gives up Nautilus... is it better now that it's totally run by the free community? If it is, no Linux company should ever get money again.
Well, it has been said that Konqueror is the best pr0n browser. Get a load of these features:
I guess it's sort of the next best thing to a "Give Head" button.
Hey look more news about gnome, we better spend most of the writeup talking about kde and konq
Hi,
;)
I made the screenshot, and yes, a bit of Irony won't hurt anyone
Hetz (Heunique)
Netscape is unstable, I think everyone will agree, it's difficult to run it for more than a half hour or so without a segfault or other error.
Sorry, that's complete BS. Even if you're talking about NS 4.77. Ever since 4.6 or so, I've had pretty good luck with NS's stability. The only times it ever hung were when I was getting to Java apps, with maybe a couple exceptions.
Now, some people might have had worse luck than I, but you state that "everyone would agree". No, that's just not the case.
But Mozilla is much better, and I've pretty much quit using NS4.7. Do try 0.9.2 -- it rocks.
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His point was that the article would be about Mozilla or something and it would provide news about the project. At the end the poster would mention something that is completely not news just for no real reason.
It's not a matter of what's good, it's simply kind of an odd thing that has been happening.
Damn! /. post like I'm doing right now, and you'll encounter several of them.
I just upgraded to slack 8.0, so I thought.. "hmm. I'll try galeon! If it's lighter than Mozilla, and it incorporates the gecko engine.. well.."
This is such a BRILLIANT browser! I *love* the zoom feature (I'm 46, and need it occasionally). The standards conformance (IMHO) and ability to *actually view* almost every page I encounter makes this thing a real godsend. It's been only two days, and I'm using it almost to the total exclusion of 'scape 4.77, which was a HUGE improvement over 4.73, which is what I was using before.
Yes, it pauses, and lags occasionally, but overall, on my feeble 200(!)mhz system, it's fairly snappy!
It's still buggy, though. Just try to enter a reply to a
Brak: What's THAT?
Thundercleese: A light switch.. of TOTAL DEVASTATION!
Probably an early adopter...some of us used to read slashdot before it had user ids....I waited a while to register. :)
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another browser you might want to try that supports the linux framebuffer is arachne. http://www.arachne.cz. It is made for both dos and linux and supports HTML 3.2 as far as I can tell. (i.e. everything but javascript/shockwave/pop-under x10.com ads. I've used it before and it worked great on a 486 laptop I tossed it on.
KDE-1.1.2 comes with a nice HTML-3.2 browser that should be light enough. Actually gtkhtml contains the same code.
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You are a liar. I run Kde-2.2b1 on my PIII-350 with 196 MB ram just fine. No tweaks, standard SuSE-7.2 system, AtiRagePro graphics card.
If you experience slowness it must be something in front of your screen that slows everything down.
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Well open your eyes wide and read the topic of the posting once more. You will finally understand that it was *intended* to refer to multiple browsers. Just a nice feature to keep you informed with what happens. Get it?
Konqueror/khtml != kfm, please upgrade your KDE 1.x installation.
By the way, nice website you've got, renders real slick. Thanks for being one of those 4 sites. :-)
Not lightweight, embedded. There are plenty of embedded Gecko solutions (check out OST, www.ostdev.net) but I do not think Galeon qualifies as such.
Konqueror on the iPaq is very cute though.
I have never used Konq. I was told by a couple of friends that I should try it out. Perhaps Konq is going to do for the Linux crowd what IE did for Windows browsing.
:(
Netscape has been falling behind. Mozilla is great and all (it still crashes for me) but it seems like Konq is moving fast.
I guess NS lost another browser war.
You know most of the time it so hard to know where something is crashing and what caused it that it's not worth ranting and raving about whose is best, most stable or whatever. The most important thing is that it works when you need it too. Like when your showing something to a client or demoing in front of a large audience. ;-)
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When shit hits the fan get some of these https://youtu.be/pY-GncsZ-UE
...at http://www.linuxwidows.com/mirror/heunique/galeon. png
SIGLOST && SIGUNUSED && SIGQUIT
User Agent configurability exists in KDE 2.1 as well.
Thank you for playing.
Thanks, nautilus hackers, for your continued hard work. 1.0.4 is substantially faster than 1.0.3!
Celebrate the finer things in life
How come it's KDENOX when on the screenshot it says "Galeon is a GNOME web browser based on gecko" ... "It requires Gnome and Mozilla"
Am I missing something? I don't see KDE mentioned.
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Call me old fashioned, but I don't consider a 4 megabyte executable to be small... In fact, I don't have a single executable on this system that's 4Mb.
On another note, Konqueror has been ported all over the place - it's a good starting testbed for the kdelibs and the assorted io slaves. It remains to be seen if Konqueror appearing on a platform indicates that a KDE port is being considered (possibly by someone unconnected with the Konqueror port), or if it's just a test probe into that platform (PDAs, various system's framebuffers, etc).
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Looks like a step backwards...like when you had a VGA game in DOS that need to take up an entire screen and had to re-write the drivers for every game. But that's just my take.
JoeLinux
I've spent the weekend upgrading my PC to the latest and greatest stuff (Xfree, kernel, nvidia drivers) and thought I'd give Nautilus a go, having not tried it since it's initial release.
In short, I'm impressed. It seems thoroughly usable and I think it'll have a permanent place on my desktop now. Now to have a go at compiling it with Mozilla support....
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Apple stole originally? Yes, that would be another story (wrong, too):
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http://www.mackido.com/Interface/ui_history.htm
My problems with Windows include the look of Windows. (But hey, I'm biased that way...)
FWIW, getting mod points on /. is the only time IE has spazzed out on me...and that seems to only happen under Win98. I've gotten mod points a couple of times since switching to Win2K, and the problem you describe has never happened.
The only current-version browser I've run across that consistently has rendering problems is Nutscrape 4.x. Its CSS implementation is effed up pretty badly; sites that render just fine in IE, Opera, Mozilla, Konqueror, etc. sometimes come up as a total jumble in Nutscrape. Even Lynx does a better job with some of these sites. (Want an example? Try http://www.thejewelers.com/store01.html, a page on a site I redesigned a while back. It validates properly for HTML 4.01 Strict and CSS 2. It renders fine in every browser I've thrown at it...except Nutscrape. For their broke-ass browser, there's http://www.thejewelers.com/nsstore01.html. It renders OK on Nutscrape and other graphical browsers (looks nasty under Lynx), but pays no heed to standards or principles of good design.)
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uhh.. hello, you're surfing the web with a help browser. Maybe if you didn't go to just the 4 sites in the world that are designed to look good in Konqueror you would know this (or try to view a web diff with it).
How we know is more important than what we know.
This will definitely help those out there with little ram to run some of the cooler KDE apps. Great job.
Anyone care to explain why a Konq screenshot would be of the Galeon home page?
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Napster-to-go says "Fill and refill your compatible MP3 player", which is a lie. It's not MP3. It's WMA with DRM.
http://www.flyingbuttmonkeys.com/mirrors/galeon.pn g
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http://www.flyingbuttmonkeys.com/mirrors/galeon.j
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Napster-to-go says "Fill and refill your compatible MP3 player", which is a lie. It's not MP3. It's WMA with DRM.
(*) substitute with your preferred method.
If anybody hasn't noticed, KDE isn't exactly the most slim computing environment around. (To be equitable, neither is GNOME!) For those of us with low end hardware (300MHz PII, 256MB RAM...) KDE-2 is absolutely unusable (even on a super-tweeked Gentoo RC5 system running XFS!) For such people, lightweight web-browsers like this and Galeon are absolutely essential. The way things are going with KDE and GNOME, freedom is being increasingly restricted. To have a usable web experience, you seem to need to run one of these two (bloated and slow) environments. Thankfully, these project provide a way out. I'd prefer it if it were based on GTK+ (since there aren't many Qt apps outside of KDE) but hey, you take what you can get, no?
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
seems like Konq is moving fast.
>>>>>>>>>>>
And unlike Mozilla, it actuall MOVES fast. (At least when you get past the 3-4 second startup time!) The thing that bothers me is that the developers don't really bother to code for speed. I'm upgrading to a 1.4 GHz Athlon soon, but I shouldn't have to, not to just run my desktop or webrowser at a decent speed. I can understand a 3D renderer chewing up your CPU. For something like KDE or Konq, its just plain unjustifiable. I really think developers should be forced to code on slow machines, just so the end result uses a sane amount of computing power.
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w3m would qualify, I believe.
- Michael T. Babcock (Yes, I blog)
Oh goodness -- get a grip. The person asked a valid question, if a little trollish, and you didn't answer it.
Yes, the Slashdot authors seem biased toward KDE. That's their opinion, and as editors on a site that claims to pronounce "News", they ought to be open with any such predispositions.
- Michael T. Babcock (Yes, I blog)
The funny thing is, I typed "w3m" but meant to say wget ...
oh well.
PS, why the 20 second delay for those of us who type at >100wpm ???
- Michael T. Babcock (Yes, I blog)
I'm glad your semantics are so exacting.
That said, having wit or making sarcastic remarks does not make one a troll, nor does it negate one's arguments, statements or other remarks. The shallowness of the human reading them may allow that reader to ignore the truth value of the statements made in, around or near such "trolling" comments, but it is still present to be assessed.
- Michael T. Babcock (Yes, I blog)
Heh. Since you asked for it, I guess a little bit of plugging is alright: check out gentoo (quick screenshot link). Some people like it.
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it's an article about "software projects" not just nautilus ... your question is about as silly as "why is nautilus mentioned first in an article about konqi?"
Xterm is the best filemanager. :)
If, however, you were wanting something graphical, the most promising one IMOP is in GWorkspace - although it definately still needs some work. KDE and Gnome both have been horribly disappointing to me, although obviously some people like them. Personally, if I wanted MS Windows on my computer I'd just pull out my CD and reinstall it *shrug*.
"That old saw about the early bird just goes to show that the worm should have stayed in bed."
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A Konqi that runs without KDE?
One that even runs on QTembedded?
Since QT is also implemented for
Windows, and now this version is
free for noncommercial use - can
we hope to see a port to Windows?
I would sure like it.
Fast mirror here also
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Can't watch mpgs and avis from the command line.
Unless you have an avi viewer that supports AA-lib.
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My apologies, if this is true. I had just discovered the website.
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Konqueror is one of those projects that is really making a difference for Linux. It is now much easier to refute complaints of outdated browsers and technology on Linux by the Windows sheep.
I am really intrigued by the KDENOX option and I'm just dying to see the screenshot that was supposed to be linked to in this article. The geocities side is linkdead as usual, does someone have a mirror or any other screenshots?
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check it out -- apparently it's based on Konqueror too.
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Just what do you have against Konqueror and Nautilus and Mozilla mentionned in the same article? It's all free software and it all works on Linux. The desktop wars are dead.
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-Angron
First off Mozilla wont work unless it can from the banks point of view look like Netscape or IE.
I go for command line only for 2 main reasons.
1. One can learn a lot more living on the command line. X tends to be a little sheltering.
2. System bloat. My main system is a p100 with 32mg ram and a 1.2 gig harddrive. Running an emacs server, pine, slrn, BitchX, links, micq, and 9 instances of bash at any given moment tends to work the system a bit, and running X would slow it down to a crawl, especialy when 04:00 rolls around.
Also by being full command line you can move to any other n*x system pull out a floopy and have $HOME sweet $HOME in under 50 seconds.
On the bright side you get more codeing done because you don't spend all day in alt.binaries.*. Can't watch mpgs and avis from the command line.
Ascii artist &
You dont have a email addy listed so I am posting here. I wish my bank where as (cool|brain dead) as yours. fb on my current system dose not work worth a damn. I have set up framebuffering on many boxes without problem in the past and even after changing my graphics card (was a unsuported/ported #9). I still get errors and Tux is in reversed colors. I have had no luck even finding out what _might_ be wrong. So far I have just been living without it. seejpeg works so that takes care of 99% of my graphics needs.
Ascii artist &
I want to see more development on command line only browsers to take advantage of older hardware or for people like myself who are GUI-impaired. One of the nice bennies of more development would be one could do $ getbankballence.sh | netscape --prompt4password. Now wouldn't that be cool in cron.
Some of the command line browsers out there, sorted by usefulness:
links
w3m
w3/emacs
lynx
zen
Ascii artist &
On the main page, they have instructions for using cvsup. If you would rather use cvs, here are the instructions.k de
export CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.kde.org:/home/
cvs login
cvs co kdenox
I only put this here cause I had to do some digging to find it. If anyone wants the current source tree, its mirrored here
SealBeater
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Speaking of browsers, download the better.
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IMO GNU Midnight Commander. mc, not gmc.
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I forgot to say that gentoo is (again IMO) the best graphical file manager. And some people still use GMC. What a waste.
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Not to mention my tech computer, where I have to start X just to read slashdot...
Dumbass, you know it's a nice thing
to help the freenet project by generating that proverbial slashdot effect on a new CHK entry.
Do it.
Why, oh why, did this comment get modded up to a 5? Is it not a legit news item that there is a way to run an advanced gui web browser without X? Dare I say it's even bigger news than a point release of Nautilus?(albiet I LOVE Nautilus)
I see what you're saying. But that's what I really like about Slashdot. The editors just say what they think. Have you read the newspaper lately? The writing style they use is CRAP! To me, 'unbiased journalistic integrity' only gets you a really really stale writing style.
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such as it is anyway, taken from the README in the KDENOX CVS tree, also if you look at the main konq website, there's a KDE/embedded link at the top of the menu on the left
http://www.konqueror.org/embedded.html
I think he's saying that he first thought it'd be good for his low-end systems and for setting up thin clients, but then realized that it's not neccisarily that useful, since you could run Netscape or Konq or Mozilla or whatever else just as easily on those systems, because they could be handling just the display part, while a heavy-duty server could take care of the RAM and processor intensive work.
There's a reason for that, Konqueror is one of the best browsers to pop up for Linux/Un*x in a long time, it just needs to work out some stability problems.
The only real stability problems come from Javascript. Try turning it off and you should probably never encounter a problem. Don't worry though, the Javacript code is continually being improved, and I've heard good things about it in the new KDE2.2 Beta1.
Linux / Open source has always been about taking the best of all worlds. While Apple users may still bicker about Microsoft stealing their UI (which Apple stole originally, but that's another story), the Linux/KDE/GNOME,etc folks don't give a rat's. They just take what's good. Who cares if something was on another system first? In a recent KDE mailing list comment, someone thought it would be cool if Konqueror had a sidebar like Mozilla and IE. So guess what? Now Konq has an optional sidebar. It all boils down to: "Why the hell not?"
Btw, the problems people have with Microsoft are not related to the look of Windows. Rather, it's about their proprietary code, licensing issues, etc.
I say : As a maintenance tool for low end boxes.
(Such as, say, the old PPC I use as a gateway to the net. 3 years old, 180 MHz, 32 meg RAM.)
On such a machine, you need something to
Skipstone is nice (uses gecko and fewer gnome libs than galeon), but I found it still memory hungry and a quite bit slower than g-h-b, or legacy Netscape for Mac on the same hardware.
(The one I tried compiled against Mozilla 0.9. Although there may be good progress since, I wonder if gecko may just not be lean enough... Moz 0.9.2 is still a big memory hog on my other machine -- like 50 meg after a little browsing, where legacy Netscape would stay around 30.)
Encompass uses gtkhtml instead. Can anyone comment on it? Will it do (1), (2) and (3) above? I still need to figure out exactly what dependencies it needs to compile. Anyway, it seems promising -- see this review and some more recent news.
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Actually, it is more of an issue running KOffice, or GIMP ;) than netscape. Actually, for internet kiosks, this would be very useful.
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So it is not as useful as I first thought. However, it would be useful for setting up internet kiosks on low end machines. This could be useful where the machine's primary function is to access web pages and perform various console type applications. Particularly useful for libraries and schools, I would think...
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When you get a website you can write whatever opinion you want. If you're not happy with what slashdot's content is like simply stop visiting. It's not like you're forced to come here and read it. I don't remember ever seeing slashdot boast about their journalistic or unbiased standards. Excuse me while I shed a tear for you because you saw something you didnt like on slashdot.
I dont remember a prerequisite of slashdot readers to answer anyone's questions especially in when all you're doing is complaining. The author didnt ask a question he made a retorical statement in the form of a troll, statements like For all they talk about it, you'd think it has features like buttons for "Give head" and "Win Lottery." (Maybe those are in CVS?) basically negate any point the author was attempting to make by throwing in the oh-so-intelligent-sounding bathroom humor. Others have already commented on slashdot's often biased writings, I don't blame slash editors a bit for writing that why should anyone else get to? Even worse assuming that maybe his comment might sway or change the editorial style of slash editors in the future, hah! Making a huge deal about it is silly, all I'm doing is making a huge deal about someone else making a huge deal out of something which is certainly not huge deal material in my opinion.
I don't need your tears, sympathy, or cynicism, I was just making a point. And besides, I was funnier than you, so nyah-nyah-nyah! ;)
The Free desktop that Just Works
But seriously... Note that it *wasn't* the posters who combined the Nautilus and Konq articles - Timothy, the editor did, which demonstrates that it was the editor's choice, not the posters' intents.
And as an aside, why are people always so eager to ditch X? It's a *good system* - it's not nearly the bloated pig everyone accuses it of being - people just don't know how to interpret top results correctly.
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My point was that there seems to be a pattern of /. editors raving about Konq at *any* given opportunity, especially when juxtaposed to another *Free* project. (ie: they're contributing in part to in-fighting between Free projects instead of promoting Free projects like Konq or Mozilla in place of a closed, non-Free product, like IE) Konq is a very cool thing, but why must the editors always say "Well, Galeon is kinda cool, but Konq can pay your bills, walk your dog, and plan your retirement!" ?
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For all they talk about it, you'd think it has features like buttons for "Give head" and "Win Lottery." (Maybe those are in CVS?)
The Free desktop that Just Works
you happen to see;
"What's the best file manager?"
"Q--T--Eee!"
Damnit, Jim, I'm an anarchist, not a F@#$!^& doctor!
my name is josh and my domain is "joshisanerd.com". i'll let you figure out the address from there ;^)
i'd just try the plain-jane VGA fb. 16 colors at 640x480 and slow, but if it works, it works.
as far as the reversed colors thing, i don't remember what causes that. fb is something i tinkered with for a bit, but i really didn't care about (voodoo3 runs fairly well in X).
anyway, best of luck. bother some people about it, someone is bound to have figured it out!
Ye olde discussions with older programmer types have always included bidding their favorite FileManger vs. some other FileManger that never really made it. I just seems like once the GUI browsers came out that file mangers became slower and more wasteful of system resources. The worst offenders are obivous in M$, but who is out there doing it right? I kinda like MidnightCommander that comes with RedHat.
"Get them before they get....
Retrieve with:
http://localhost:8081/KSK@galeon.png
or
freenet_request KSK@galeon.png galeon.png
Freenet: http://freenet.sf.net
The CHK for this key, for the paranoid, is:
CHK@iE7SmyIIP8rYKqT77jhdJjDcgB8OAwE,OHOBWuZQ703Mw9 YpjUxFpA
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Come to think of it...I'm not sure if I actually use a file manager in Linux. Easier for me to do everything through the shell. Never tried Nautilus though, maybe I should?
;-)
http://www.prolixium.com/galeon.png
watermelon please?
w3m is not a command-line application, it is an interactive application.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
I am an Amiga slave and I have always loved Directory Opus. After using it for some years, I can't go back to sloppy windoze-functionality-cloned managers like Gmc, kfm and nautilus. I always have loads of files lying around in my dirs and love to move around huge amounts of data. Huge fancy icons just doesn't do it for me. Though I have found two nice file managers that I like - worker and gentoo. After configging the buttons on them, everything is lightning fast. :-)
If I can't use one of those, I stick to bash
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http://www.spitzy.net/galeon.jpg ... And why it is the Galeon homepage? don't ask me, but the projects seem somewhat similar. Galeon being a lightweight Mozilla and this one being a light konqueror...?
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by my thoughts, that does really look like galeon, oh well.. It has some areas that it can be applicable in, picoBSD anyone?
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