I spend more time using the ribbon than the old menus! That's good... right?
It actually could be that they're using more advanced features because those are more exposed in the ribbon now than some obscure 5 level menu in the old menus.
I guess you haven't used the developer preview. It has a start button that activated the new start screen.
So (Start Button vs. Just a hot corner) and (Start Menu vs. new Start Screen) are completely different arguments and decisions. We are talking about the first here in this story. They could've easily replaced the Start button with the hot corner and kept the Win 7 start menu instead of the Metro Start screen.
>. Let us eliminate pasta spoon from the table to improve efficiency.
No, what they did was more like move the pasta spoon to the middle of the table to free up space near the plates. The start button was removed, but you can still move the mouse to the right side bottom corner and click to access the Start screen.
So your argument is retarded and bogus, and as I can see, Slashdot loves bogus arguments when it comes to bashing MS.
Sad that even Google is afraid to take on the iPad in it's territory. Almost all the 10" Android tablets have seen dismal sales, HP Touchpad was sold in a firesale, Playbook's having a tough time and Amazon and Google are forced to play in the sub $200 territory. All of these devices are oriented towards only consumption. Maybe Microsoft Surface will get traction by doubling as a device that you can actually do some light work on, but lets see what price it launches at.
Yeah, the Asus Transformers sold so badly that they could barely keep them in stock at launch. Damn those poor sales!
Really? Selling out all 10,000 tablets at launch doesn't count. Do you have any hard numbers on sales?
Sad that even Google is afraid to take on the iPad in it's territory. Almost all the 10" Android tablets have seen dismal sales, HP Touchpad was sold in a firesale, Playbook's having a tough time and Amazon and Google are forced to play in the sub $200 territory. All of these devices are oriented towards only consumption. Maybe Microsoft Surface will get traction by doubling as a device that you can actually do some light work on, but lets see what price it launches at.
Open up Blackberry Messenger(very popular in parts of Canada, Europe and Asia) to iOS, Android and WP to generate some licensing/ad revenue but then lose exclusivity and sales of the BB10 and BB OS 6 devices as Messenger addicts no longer need to get a Blackberry to use it with their friends.
>You really quoted a gawker article? You hopeless tool.
How about find the same news posted on every damn news site? Why not address the facts, that Apple is making it harder for non App store programs on the Mac? What has Gawker to do with this except as a way to avoid answering my point? You dumb ass.
>Good thing there's an alternative that many find to be not just equal, but superior, which is available at a lesser cost.
You mean like Linux was always available for Windows?
>People are finding it less and less palatable. Apple is I think inadvertently doing us a favor because people get grumpy when Apple prevents them from doing things.
A few geeks and devs are going to find it unpalatable just like used to find Microsoft unpalatable. It won't hurt the sky rocketing sales and revenues one bit.
> If you want me to agree that Apple has done as much harm as Microsoft, you're going to be a long fucking time ranting.
Well, maybe they haven't done as much harm as Microsoft yet, but they're getting there and will cause immense harm in the next few years.
They essentially implemented Microsoft's Palladium letter by letter and made it socially acceptable and very very cool. They can't even keep the iDevices on the shelves, people are falling over each other to buy them. The same pundits who railed against Palladium now can't praise the iDevices enough.
Their biggest contribution of making lockdown DRM acceptable is going to have a lot of repercussions in the long term. And none of that "not a monopoly" BS please. They are a platform that developers can't really avoid because they have most paying users. Also, three companies having 30% marketshare and allowed to lock down everything doesn't help things rather that one company having a monopoly. Look at the US wireless carriers for proof.
Interesting. If they work only on the XBox 720 and abandon the 360, the typical Slashdot comment will be "OMG THEY WANT TO FORCE YOU TO BUY A NEW CONSOLE THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO GET NEW SOFTWARE FEATURES LIKE A BROWSER".
If you bought a XBox 360, all this is amazing value lasting years (minus RRoD issues which they fixed at their cost) and you can still use all the new features like using your existing iDevice or Android device with the new games.
Why is this a bad thing again, isn't it just more value for your money? They're not even charging the 5, 10 or 20 bucks for the big software upgrades that Apple used to charge for the iPod Touch upgrades.
Why is the summary so lame and talks mostly about ads? I don't even see the "Sources say... ads" line in the article... where did it come from? Now we're going to see that picked up in the comments and without even a proper source.
Again, since when is adding features to something you already bought a bad thing? And no, I am not new here. So I guess it's because we're talking about 'M$' on the Slashdot circle jerk inborn retardation channel. The saner people have left in disgust and the inmates run the asylum, right from the submitters to the commenters to the moderators, perhaps editors too.
There were multiple surveys taken at different times by different independent sources and the results are roughly the same. All 4 major US carriers had a Windows phone by march or april 2011.
>. At the time of that survey there were practically none except for porno site reskins.
There were plenty of apps at launch like Facebook, Netflix and a whole bunch of others. A typical user does not have 100 apps on their phones. So users can be satisfied with 50K instead of 500k. More is better, but less is not horribly bad.
I know Slashdot has a really low bar for +5 insightful for comments related to 'M$', but you're really making up things here. Windows Phone has the highest customer satisfaction numbers.
Even if not legal, the companies (atleast the big ones) that don't respect DNT can be publicly shamed and browser extensions etc. can be made which block those ad networks which don't respect it, and people can install those to put pressure on those companies(which would be able to show generic ads even with DNT on).
The status quo won't be affected in the least bit by making DNT opt-in for users.
Sorry, but Windows has phoned home for at least 10 years, and sent data without user knowledge to 3rd party companies that could be traced to MS. IE may claim to have DNT on by default, but let's be clear. You will still be sending all kinds of tracking information to MS.
Seems to me to be a ploy to make money selling data to Google perhaps that Google gets now on their own.
This post is a perfect example of horseshit that regularly goes for +5 informative on Slashdot. Websites like Google track you and follow you around the web with ads and customizes the ads to your browsing history. MS? Does it really even know that you visited some site with Google ads on them(most of the websites around)?
> You will still be sending all kinds of tracking information to MS
Furthermore, the advertizing industry groups like that have had the most successful with self-regulation efforts [aboutads.info] have flat-out said that while they will respect the user's chose to opt-out, they will ignore any system that opts users out automatically.
Wow, so we are now so beholden to advertising companies now that we should give in to their blackmail and give into their self-deregulation which will get dumped at the first opportunity when things go quiet since it's non binding and not enforceable?
You sound like a tobacco industry shill, except for Google and the ads business, wanting to let them dictate things for their own mega profits.
> Lets not name some other company who made it difficult for others to install certain browsers on their OS, and kind of forced you to use their own browser.
Apple? If not, then some references please. Netscape basically scored a self goal with the rewrite from 4.0 taking too long. Stop rewriting history.
Yes, blaming Google for the actions started years ago of a company they literally bought last week is sure to prove your argument.
Microsoft and Apple have pledged to license standards-essential patents on FRAND terms and not to seek injunctions and stays based on them, Google refused to do so to the EU.
Also, did Slashdot run a story about Apple and MS filing antitrust complaint again Motorola?
Not to mention that it's just Nokia(which had a huge role in inventing cellphone and related technologies) reacting to Google dumping it's product Android on the market for free by using it's search monopoly profits.
"There' is no tablet market. There is only an iPad market" say the fans and Apple gets away with not only bundling Safari but banning all other browser engines. Yet Microsoft with it's 0.1% share of tablets in the "Post-PC world" gets flogged for this.
Dude, haven't you gotten the memo?
"It's OK for Apple to block Firefox, but wrong when Microsoft does it". http://tinyurl.com/d2m8qs3 (Sorry for tinyurl, it's legit I promise, Slashdot filters the link because it's too long).
Not to mention Apple's worse actions like forcing their in-app payments and their 30% cut of even in-app purchases(driving many apps, esp. ebook related ones out of the market) and even forcing developers not to charge Android users less for the same services from the money they save from not paying the 30% tithe to Apple.
If anyone said back in the mid 90's that Microsoft would ceed the cell phone market to Android and Apple, hemorage market share on the desktop and lose browser dominance they would be labeled a lunatic. Or Steve Ballmer.
First of all, you need to have something to cede it. I doubt Microsoft had cell phone marketshare in the mid nineties.
Secondly, What's so funny and how is your comment even relevant to post?
The fact that your contentless gloating was modded insightful shows how degenerated Slashdot has become. I don't even know what's worse anymore, paid shills getting one first post or hundreds of zealot idiots modded up for the same "M$ sucks and dying soon" comments since 10 years.
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"If other OEMs follow suit, MS could find itself as the only vendor selling ARM-based W8 tablets."
Everybody else's tablets/notebooks: $1000
Microsoft's + Apple's: $600
Ballmer knows he can't outfox Apple, but HP? All too easy.
I payed $399 for my 64gig Acer Iconia Tablet
I hope it integrates well with your OpenMoko phone.
Sorry bro, but that stuff ain't selling and probably will be scrapped soon.
I spend more time using the ribbon than the old menus! That's good... right?
It actually could be that they're using more advanced features because those are more exposed in the ribbon now than some obscure 5 level menu in the old menus.
So in that case, it's actually good.
I guess you haven't used the developer preview. It has a start button that activated the new start screen.
So (Start Button vs. Just a hot corner) and (Start Menu vs. new Start Screen) are completely different arguments and decisions. We are talking about the first here in this story. They could've easily replaced the Start button with the hot corner and kept the Win 7 start menu instead of the Metro Start screen.
>. Let us eliminate pasta spoon from the table to improve efficiency.
No, what they did was more like move the pasta spoon to the middle of the table to free up space near the plates. The start button was removed, but you can still move the mouse to the right side bottom corner and click to access the Start screen.
So your argument is retarded and bogus, and as I can see, Slashdot loves bogus arguments when it comes to bashing MS.
Sad that even Google is afraid to take on the iPad in it's territory. Almost all the 10" Android tablets have seen dismal sales, HP Touchpad was sold in a firesale,
Playbook's having a tough time and Amazon and Google are forced to play in the sub $200 territory. All of these devices are oriented towards only consumption. Maybe Microsoft Surface will get traction by doubling as a device that you can actually do some light work on, but lets see what price it launches at.
Yeah, the Asus Transformers sold so badly that they could barely keep them in stock at launch. Damn those poor sales!
Really? Selling out all 10,000 tablets at launch doesn't count. Do you have any hard numbers on sales?
http://goodereader.com/blog/tablet-slates/asus-issues-transformer-prime-update-sales-reported-to-be-dismal/
Sad that even Google is afraid to take on the iPad in it's territory. Almost all the 10" Android tablets have seen dismal sales, HP Touchpad was sold in a firesale,
Playbook's having a tough time and Amazon and Google are forced to play in the sub $200 territory. All of these devices are oriented towards only consumption. Maybe Microsoft Surface will get traction by doubling as a device that you can actually do some light work on, but lets see what price it launches at.
Here are some:
Not network security but built on .NET.
StackOverflow.
Newegg.
Plentyoffish.
Geico.
Open up Blackberry Messenger(very popular in parts of Canada, Europe and Asia) to iOS, Android and WP to generate some licensing/ad revenue but then lose exclusivity and sales of the BB10 and BB OS 6 devices as Messenger addicts no longer need to get a Blackberry to use it with their friends.
>[citation needed]
I was talking about the iOS app store not Mac. Here are citations.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/12/ios-revenues-vs-android/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/appsblog/2012/jun/10/apple-developer-wwdc-schmidt-android?newsfeed=true
>You really quoted a gawker article? You hopeless tool.
How about find the same news posted on every damn news site? Why not address the facts, that Apple is making it harder for non App store programs on the Mac? What has Gawker to do with this except as a way to avoid answering my point? You dumb ass.
>Good thing there's an alternative that many find to be not just equal, but superior, which is available at a lesser cost.
You mean like Linux was always available for Windows?
>People are finding it less and less palatable. Apple is I think inadvertently doing us a favor because people get grumpy when Apple prevents them from doing things.
Maybe you should look at Apple's sales figures. http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/05/wow-apple-turns-over-its-inventory-once-every-5-days/257915/
A few geeks and devs are going to find it unpalatable just like used to find Microsoft unpalatable. It won't hurt the sky rocketing sales and revenues one bit.
> If you want me to agree that Apple has done as much harm as Microsoft, you're going to be a long fucking time ranting.
Well, maybe they haven't done as much harm as Microsoft yet, but they're getting there and will cause immense harm in the next few years.
They essentially implemented Microsoft's Palladium letter by letter and made it socially acceptable and very very cool. They can't even keep the iDevices on the shelves, people are falling over each other to buy them. The same pundits who railed against Palladium now can't praise the iDevices enough.
And the Mac gets closer to that vision with every release. http://gizmodo.com/5885837/this-is-how-apple-will-block-unapproved-apps-with-mountain-lions-gatekeeper
Firefox is banned from iOS App Store and every day a new story of abusing a developer is in the news. http://rogueamoeba.com/utm/2012/06/08/in-response-to-mr-schiller/
Their biggest contribution of making lockdown DRM acceptable is going to have a lot of repercussions in the long term. And none of that "not a monopoly" BS please. They are a platform that developers can't really avoid because they have most paying users. Also, three companies having 30% marketshare and allowed to lock down everything doesn't help things rather that one company having a monopoly. Look at the US wireless carriers for proof.
>Which means, unless Apple purchases a 3rd party which made office suite for iOS, it may have to settle with an office suite that is owned by Google
There are strong rumors suggesting that Microsoft will be releasing Office for iOS in the fall. In fact, this story was posted only 3 hours ago.
http://www.itproportal.com/2012/06/06/office-ipad-launching-november/
Interesting. If they work only on the XBox 720 and abandon the 360, the typical Slashdot comment will be "OMG THEY WANT TO FORCE YOU TO BUY A NEW CONSOLE THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO GET NEW SOFTWARE FEATURES LIKE A BROWSER".
If you bought a XBox 360, all this is amazing value lasting years (minus RRoD issues which they fixed at their cost) and you can still use all the new features like using your existing iDevice or Android device with the new games.
Why is this a bad thing again, isn't it just more value for your money? They're not even charging the 5, 10 or 20 bucks for the big software upgrades that Apple used to charge for the iPod Touch upgrades.
Why is the summary so lame and talks mostly about ads? I don't even see the "Sources say... ads" line in the article... where did it come from? Now we're going to see that picked up in the comments and without even a proper source.
Again, since when is adding features to something you already bought a bad thing? And no, I am not new here. So I guess it's because we're talking about 'M$' on the Slashdot circle jerk inborn retardation channel. The saner people have left in disgust and the inmates run the asylum, right from the submitters to the commenters to the moderators, perhaps editors too.
There were multiple surveys taken at different times by different independent sources and the results are roughly the same. All 4 major US carriers had a Windows phone by march or april 2011.
>. At the time of that survey there were practically none except for porno site reskins.
There were plenty of apps at launch like Facebook, Netflix and a whole bunch of others. A typical user does not have 100 apps on their phones. So users can be satisfied with 50K instead of 500k. More is better, but less is not horribly bad.
I know Slashdot has a really low bar for +5 insightful for comments related to 'M$', but you're really making up things here. Windows Phone has the highest customer satisfaction numbers.
http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-phone-tops-in-user-satisfaction
http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=20980
http://windowsphonenetwork.com/2012/03/pcmags-readers-choice-awards-windows-phone/
Even Siri was answering that the Nokia Windows Phone was the best cellphone ever before Apple shut it down and replaced it with a joke.
And people who could actually correct you have long past left in disgust at the extreme circlejerk inborn retardation on this site.
Sorry for sounding combative earlier.
Even if not legal, the companies (atleast the big ones) that don't respect DNT can be publicly shamed and browser extensions etc. can be made which block those ad networks which don't respect it, and people can install those to put pressure on those companies(which would be able to show generic ads even with DNT on).
The status quo won't be affected in the least bit by making DNT opt-in for users.
Sorry, but Windows has phoned home for at least 10 years, and sent data without user knowledge to 3rd party companies that could be traced to MS. IE may claim to have DNT on by default, but let's be clear. You will still be sending all kinds of tracking information to MS.
Seems to me to be a ploy to make money selling data to Google perhaps that Google gets now on their own.
This post is a perfect example of horseshit that regularly goes for +5 informative on Slashdot. Websites like Google track you and follow you around the web with ads and customizes the ads to your browsing history. MS? Does it really even know that you visited some site with Google ads on them(most of the websites around)?
> You will still be sending all kinds of tracking information to MS
What kinds of tracking information???
Furthermore, the advertizing industry groups like that have had the most successful with self-regulation efforts [aboutads.info] have flat-out said that while they will respect the user's chose to opt-out, they will ignore any system that opts users out automatically.
Wow, so we are now so beholden to advertising companies now that we should give in to their blackmail and give into their self-deregulation which will get dumped at the first opportunity when things go quiet since it's non binding and not enforceable?
You sound like a tobacco industry shill, except for Google and the ads business, wanting to let them dictate things for their own mega profits.
> Lets not name some other company who made it difficult for others to install certain browsers on their OS, and kind of forced you to use their own browser.
Apple? If not, then some references please. Netscape basically scored a self goal with the rewrite from 4.0 taking too long. Stop rewriting history.
Yes, blaming Google for the actions started years ago of a company they literally bought last week is sure to prove your argument.
Microsoft and Apple have pledged to license standards-essential patents on FRAND terms and not to seek injunctions and stays based on them, Google refused to do so to the EU.
Also, did Slashdot run a story about Apple and MS filing antitrust complaint again Motorola?
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/253083/european_commission_opens_antitrust_investigation_of_motorola_mobility.html
Not to mention that it's just Nokia(which had a huge role in inventing cellphone and related technologies) reacting to Google dumping it's product Android on the market for free by using it's search monopoly profits.
>Overwhelmingly, if you wanted to look like you knew why-the-fuck you ought to be on stage, in front of 8,000 people, you went Mac.
Think Different.
>..supposedly soon Chrome may be released for iOS.
Reference?
Going along with that analogy, MS can claim that Windows RT is a new brand and that Windows 8 is the old generic brand.
>Apple's just not that likely to screw over other mobile device makers like Microsoft is.
HAHAHAHAHAHA what? We are talking about browser makers here, not mobile device makers. They already got screwed by Apple.
"There' is no tablet market. There is only an iPad market" say the fans and Apple gets away with not only bundling Safari but banning all other browser engines. Yet Microsoft with it's 0.1% share of tablets in the "Post-PC world" gets flogged for this.
Dude, haven't you gotten the memo?
"It's OK for Apple to block Firefox, but wrong when Microsoft does it".
http://tinyurl.com/d2m8qs3
(Sorry for tinyurl, it's legit I promise, Slashdot filters the link because it's too long).
Not to mention Apple's worse actions like forcing their in-app payments and their 30% cut of even in-app purchases(driving many apps, esp. ebook related ones out of the market) and even forcing developers not to charge Android users less for the same services from the money they save from not paying the 30% tithe to Apple.
LMFAO!!!
If anyone said back in the mid 90's that Microsoft would ceed the cell phone market to Android and Apple, hemorage market share on the desktop and lose browser dominance they would be labeled a lunatic. Or Steve Ballmer.
First of all, you need to have something to cede it. I doubt Microsoft had cell phone marketshare in the mid nineties.
Secondly, What's so funny and how is your comment even relevant to post?
The fact that your contentless gloating was modded insightful shows how degenerated Slashdot has become. I don't even know what's worse anymore, paid shills getting one first post or hundreds of zealot idiots modded up for the same "M$ sucks and dying soon" comments since 10 years.