Stop pasting that crap in every story from that stupid and just link that article to that Apple fanboi Asymco. Those who want to will read it for themselves.
All those companies had plenty of problems themselves and blaming their problems on their Microsoft partnership is very misleading. Maybe they should've tried licensing iOS from Apple instead?
>It's also the reason the MS shills are so desperately trying to ridicule anyone who suggests Apple, Microsoft Nokia and Oracle are in bed together.
Yes but we have Google shills like you to defend against the MS shills though!
>The fact that both Microsoft and Apple desire to destroy the Android market; and the other facts listed above; lead one believe that Microsoft and Apple truly are partners and, as such, could be looked upon, for purposes of anti-trust challenges, as a single monopolistic entity,"
Nonsense, Microsoft and Apple together have nothing close to a monopoly in the mobile OS market. I doubt it's even close to 50%. Android has greater marketshare. The desktop situation is as relevant to phone as a web search monopoly.
The same old fairy tale bullshit. Except that people would've complained about lack of apps and developer support. No Angry Birds, no Netflix, no nothing. Except for a few hundred geeks on Slashdot, nobody would've bought it since people would prefer Android for the apps. Remember OpenMoko?
>With Windows Phone Nokia has to do whatever Microsoft wants. They have very little wiggle room.
Nokia negotiated the right to change any part of the WP OS.
>With Android they can go to any extreme, from working directly with Google to forking the whole thing like Amazon.
You mean the same Google that also owns Motorola? Or the same Google that gave preferential access of new releases to Samsung first for the latest two major revisions?
Say what you will about MS, but they never played favorites with or bought OEMs.
Not to mention that the Kindle Fire cannot access the Google Marketplace and is doomed to be a few versions behind the latest Android while Amazon waits for Google to throw code over the wall at release(the same code that Samsung/Motorola has access to for months).
It's actually worse with patents. Reading patents before going on to allegedly violate them will make it wilful infringement and subject you to triple damages.
They could be but I'd say that's a bad bet - trying to "out Apple" Apple.
Microsoft has always had advantages in existing software compatibility and enterprise security features (say what you will - Windows Mobile had many more security features than Android or iOS for a long time). They seem to be casting off their only real differentiators in an attempt to copy the success of the iPad. This will fail spectacularly.
What nonsense. There are a whole host of Windows x86 tablets coming with full touch support and with new form factors which will be fully compatible with existing software and enterprise features of PCs.
And the submitter is CWMike, from Computer World. They know that Slashdot laps up anti-MSFT FUD and thus they use it to write drivel and get page hits from Slashdot. And judging from the comments, they're very successful in manipulating Slashdot for their own gains as they've historically with the fake benchmarks.
Android was bought, so was multitouch technology in the iPhone and Siri and lots of other things. But you pick on MS, which is really proving the point of the article.
>Google and Apple have not positioned their failed projects are essential strategically to the companys future. Microsoft is better everything on smartphone/table with the release of Win8 and its 'only really suitable for tablet GUI'.
We are talking about Kin, Zune etc. not about Windows 8. I fail to see how MS has positioned Kin and Zune to strategically to the company's future.
>I do like that you pick up on possibly the only success product MS has creat.. sorry, purchased... in recent years.
And Android and the touch technology in the iPhone and Siri were totally original and not purchased right?
>That's why no-one cares about Buzz, but they care about every Microsoft failure.
So Kin and Zune killed the company or what? As you said, MS cut their losses and moved on like Google did with Buzz.
Windows 8 is not even out yet and you call it a failed project and compare it to Buzz. That shows your biases and shortsightedness.
This article compares Apple, a hardware maker, with Google and Android, who provides software to hardware makers? How is that a fair comparison?
For years, the Apple fanboy bloggers like Horace and Gruber claimed an Apple win based on the number of devices and made twisted arguments about how Android device shipments can never exceed Apple's. After having to eat crow because of Android outselling the iPhone by a huge margin, now they have shifted the goalposts and now the new metric is profitability. If Android makes more profit in the future, the new standard for declaring a winner will be 'sales by a company with a starting with a 'A' and ending with a 'e'.
I'm sure Windows Phone will be as successful as the Zune, the Kin and the Spot Watch.
Anything Apple makes will be as successful as the Newton and Ping. And anything Google makes will be as successful as Buzz and Wave(and G+?).
See, I too can make non-sequitur arguments by digging up past failures and ignoring successes like the XBox and Kinect(which is the fastest selling consumer electronic device ever).
Add Google TV and Chromebooks to the list of Google failures. Apparently, Chromebooks sold only a few thousands, ouch.
In June 2011, Acer and Samsung launched their Chromebooks ahead of other PC brand vendors, but by the end of July, Acer had reportedly only sold 5,000 units and Samsung was said to have had even lower sales than Acer, according to sources from the PC industry. However, Acer has declined to comment.
But looks like it's fashionable here to rail only on MS' failures and not any other company's.
The Xbox is only a success because Redmond bought it's market position.
And Google didn't buy it's market position in mobile by giving away an entire mobile OS for free to the OEMs. Can't believe how idiotic people can be in their hate and fanboyism.
>But as far as Metro goes, it's a radical departure from "normal" GUIs which have remained more-or-less similar with a desktop metaphor for the last.... fuck, when was the Xerox Star?
So the iPad and Android tablets have a desktop metaphor or don't? If you think they do, Metro isn't that different.
>And Microsoft is going to foist this upon an unsuspecting public with the RTM.
I thought your original argument was that MS was going Metro-only with the RTM and won't have dueling GUIs.
WTF are you blathering about? You made the claim in the GGGGGGGGGGGGP post that MS will dump the desktop paradigm in Win 8 RTM for only Metro.
Since Visual Studio is not a Metro app, it "won't run" on WIndows 8(along with Office, Photoshop, iTunes and all the millions of Win32 apps out there) if what you said is true..
Please read your own posts and be consistent or I'll have to assume you're mentally ill and move on.
>Microsoft, has, and does, break compatibility when they feel the need to. Paul's article puts an emphasis on this with Metro. The thing is that you have to actually read Paul Thurrott's article and understand just exactly what he's trying to say. He's saying that Metro is a "bet the company" move and there's no going back.
So your argument is that Microsoft will break compatibility to such an extent that their own Visual Studio won't run on the next version of Windows? What are you smoking? And Paul in no way implies anywhere that the desktop is going away. He is just saying that it's a bad move for MS to allow users to turn off Metro which is a very different from removing the Desktop paradigm.
Just how much ZaRex do you have to drink (it wasn't Kool Aid they drank in Jonestown) to believe that dueling GUIs on the same computer is not a colossally stupid idea?
-- BMO
You mean like Win 95 which ran on top of DOS and how you could land in DOS fullscreen to run DOS apps? That was two dueling UIs right there.
>I have yet to see anyone who does not have a vested interest in Metro like it.
That implies there is no one without a vested interest in Metro who like it right? And this is for a OS that has a billion users.
>Having both GUIs on the same machine violates everything both Microsoft and Apple have said about consistency of UI.
Any references to them saying so? Even if so, why do they have to follow what they (allegedly) said?
>The only solution is to get rid of one or the other. >That means that the Desktop needs to go. Microsoft is/not/ backing down from Metro.
Talk about leap of logic. This is a company that bends over for backwards compatibility. The desktop is going nowhere my friend, if you think that Microsoft will break millions of Win32 apps on Windows 8, you're frankly retarded. Whether Windows 8 will crash and burn due to the schizo UI is a different topic which I am willing to entertain, but they will not break compatibility that is their lifeblood, especially in enterprise. Period. And you arguing for it over and over again makes you sound stupid, to be frank.
>As if I care. There are actual jokes of the tech world, and they are...
Slashdot is indeed the joke of the tech world. Slashdot wrote stories like this about Windows 7(not to mention organized fud campaigns by Computerworld fake benchmarks):
Re:A DRM ban clause should be added as a constitut (Score:4, Insightful) by hairyfeet (841228) Alter Relationship on Tuesday February 17 2009, @12:54AM (#26882807) Journal
I been saying it and saying it that the DRM in Win7 hadn't been turned on and that is why they are getting good performance out of it now. Vista Beta 1 ran great for me too, but that was the pre DRM version. All of this DRM crap has to monitor you to keep "criminals" like the owner of the PC from doing as they like 24/7/365. All of that monitoring takes up CPU and RAM that could have been used for your stuff.
Mark my words, what we are seeing here is the tiniest tip of the turd iceberg that is Win7, AKA Vista the second edition. It will go down in flames as folks find out it is a big pile of stink just like Vista. That is why just yesterday I had a customer literally throw money at me saying "make this %^&^&$ POS Vista go away! I don't want to see this thing again until XP is on it!". So mark my words, Linux guys. Be getting your A games ready. Be doing everything you can to fix the little irritants like Winprinters because when Vista7 goes down in flames you are going to have a LOT of POed folks looking for a new direction. And Apple is just too damned expensive for John Q. Average. So this is your shot, make it count. I doubt seriously after Win7 goes down in flames that Ballmer will have a job and the next guy they bring in will probably be one of the MS Office guys and he will go back to dull and boring business OSes(Oh,Lord,please let it be so!) so you guys probably won't get a third at bat.
I for one would like some healthy competition to make the marketplace more fair so don't miss your shot,make it count. Because a moron as stupid as Ballmer only comes around once in a lifetime and you don't want to miss it.
>Windows 7 actually doesn't suck. It's what Vista should have been. Its throughput for nontrivial amounts of files/does/ suck, but as a run-of-the-mill OS, it's not 'orrible, guvnuh.
Slashdot Mirror
Stop pasting that crap in every story from that stupid and just link that article to that Apple fanboi Asymco. Those who want to will read it for themselves.
All those companies had plenty of problems themselves and blaming their problems on their Microsoft partnership is very misleading. Maybe they should've tried licensing iOS from Apple instead?
>It's also the reason the MS shills are so desperately trying to ridicule anyone who suggests Apple, Microsoft Nokia and Oracle are in bed together.
Yes but we have Google shills like you to defend against the MS shills though!
>The fact that both Microsoft and Apple desire to destroy the Android market; and the other facts listed above; lead one believe that Microsoft and Apple truly are partners and, as such, could be looked upon, for purposes of anti-trust challenges, as a single monopolistic entity,"
Nonsense, Microsoft and Apple together have nothing close to a monopoly in the mobile OS market. I doubt it's even close to 50%. Android has greater marketshare. The desktop situation is as relevant to phone as a web search monopoly.
Looking at your posts, I think you get checked for this disease.
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/07/25/1757253/linus-calls-microsoft-hatred-a-disease
Since we're taking on the tech giants, here's Google.
Google 2.4% Rate Shows How $60 Billion Lost to Tax Loopholes
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-21/google-2-4-rate-shows-how-60-billion-u-s-revenue-lost-to-tax-loopholes.html
The same old fairy tale bullshit. Except that people would've complained about lack of apps and developer support. No Angry Birds, no Netflix, no nothing. Except for a few hundred geeks on Slashdot, nobody would've bought it since people would prefer Android for the apps. Remember OpenMoko?
>And, despite the lack of marketing, way more N9s have been sold than Lumias.
Citation needed.
>With Windows Phone Nokia has to do whatever Microsoft wants. They have very little wiggle room.
Nokia negotiated the right to change any part of the WP OS.
>With Android they can go to any extreme, from working directly with Google to forking the whole thing like Amazon.
You mean the same Google that also owns Motorola? Or the same Google that gave preferential access of new releases to Samsung first for the latest two major revisions?
http://androidandme.com/2012/04/smartphones-2/google-picks-samsung-for-4th-generation-nexus-phone/
Say what you will about MS, but they never played favorites with or bought OEMs.
Not to mention that the Kindle Fire cannot access the Google Marketplace and is doomed to be a few versions behind the latest Android while Amazon waits for Google to throw code over the wall at release(the same code that Samsung/Motorola has access to for months).
It looks like a total iPhone rip off.
Maybe they're targeting it at people who want iPhones but cannot afford them?
It's actually worse with patents. Reading patents before going on to allegedly violate them will make it wilful infringement and subject you to triple damages.
http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Wilful_infringement
They could be but I'd say that's a bad bet - trying to "out Apple" Apple.
Microsoft has always had advantages in existing software compatibility and enterprise security features (say what you will - Windows Mobile had many more security features than Android or iOS for a long time). They seem to be casting off their only real differentiators in an attempt to copy the success of the iPad. This will fail spectacularly.
What nonsense. There are a whole host of Windows x86 tablets coming with full touch support and with new form factors which will be fully compatible with existing software and enterprise features of PCs.
And not to mention the fact that the author doesn't mention the enterprise features that Windows RT has.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/04/19/managing-quot-byo-quot-pcs-in-the-enterprise-including-woa.aspx
Very telling that the author is Gregg Keizer, who was involved in the scandals with faking Windows benchmarks to drive page hits.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/why-we-dont-trust-devil-mountain-software-and-neither-should-you/31024
And the submitter is CWMike, from Computer World. They know that Slashdot laps up anti-MSFT FUD and thus they use it to write drivel and get page hits from Slashdot. And judging from the comments, they're very successful in manipulating Slashdot for their own gains as they've historically with the fake benchmarks.
Because hating on MS is cool and fawning Google/Apple is the in thing.
Really? They are plenty critical of Microsoft.
http://www.businessinsider.com/gartner-windows-8-tablets-will-be-an-utter-failure-2012-4
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9076698/Windows_is_collapsing_Gartner_analysts_warn
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-9862322-56.html
Stop with the stupid lame bias, which is proving the article's point, really.
Android was bought, so was multitouch technology in the iPhone and Siri and lots of other things. But you pick on MS, which is really proving the point of the article.
>Google and Apple have not positioned their failed projects are essential strategically to the companys future. Microsoft is better everything on smartphone/table with the release of Win8 and its 'only really suitable for tablet GUI'.
We are talking about Kin, Zune etc. not about Windows 8. I fail to see how MS has positioned Kin and Zune to strategically to the company's future.
>I do like that you pick up on possibly the only success product MS has creat.. sorry, purchased... in recent years.
And Android and the touch technology in the iPhone and Siri were totally original and not purchased right?
>That's why no-one cares about Buzz, but they care about every Microsoft failure.
So Kin and Zune killed the company or what? As you said, MS cut their losses and moved on like Google did with Buzz.
Windows 8 is not even out yet and you call it a failed project and compare it to Buzz. That shows your biases and shortsightedness.
This article compares Apple, a hardware maker, with Google and Android, who provides software to hardware makers? How is that a fair comparison?
For years, the Apple fanboy bloggers like Horace and Gruber claimed an Apple win based on the number of devices and made twisted arguments about how Android device shipments can never exceed Apple's. After having to eat crow because of Android outselling the iPhone by a huge margin, now they have shifted the goalposts and now the new metric is profitability. If Android makes more profit in the future, the new standard for declaring a winner will be 'sales by a company with a starting with a 'A' and ending with a 'e'.
I'm sure Windows Phone will be as successful as the Zune, the Kin and the Spot Watch.
Anything Apple makes will be as successful as the Newton and Ping.
And anything Google makes will be as successful as Buzz and Wave(and G+?).
See, I too can make non-sequitur arguments by digging up past failures and ignoring successes like the XBox and Kinect(which is the fastest selling consumer electronic device ever).
Add Google TV and Chromebooks to the list of Google failures. Apparently, Chromebooks sold only a few thousands, ouch.
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Search-Engines/Logitech-Giving-Up-on-Google-TV-After-Losing-100M-344197/
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20111109PD222.html
In June 2011, Acer and Samsung launched their Chromebooks ahead of other PC brand vendors, but by the end of July, Acer had reportedly only sold 5,000 units and Samsung was said to have had even lower sales than Acer, according to sources from the PC industry. However, Acer has declined to comment.
But looks like it's fashionable here to rail only on MS' failures and not any other company's.
The Xbox is only a success because Redmond bought it's market position.
And Google didn't buy it's market position in mobile by giving away an entire mobile OS for free to the OEMs. Can't believe how idiotic people can be in their hate and fanboyism.
>But as far as Metro goes, it's a radical departure from "normal" GUIs which have remained more-or-less similar with a desktop metaphor for the last .... fuck, when was the Xerox Star?
So the iPad and Android tablets have a desktop metaphor or don't? If you think they do, Metro isn't that different.
>And Microsoft is going to foist this upon an unsuspecting public with the RTM.
I thought your original argument was that MS was going Metro-only with the RTM and won't have dueling GUIs.
WTF are you blathering about? You made the claim in the GGGGGGGGGGGGP post that MS will dump the desktop paradigm in Win 8 RTM for only Metro.
Since Visual Studio is not a Metro app, it "won't run" on WIndows 8(along with Office, Photoshop, iTunes and all the millions of Win32 apps out there) if what you said is true..
Please read your own posts and be consistent or I'll have to assume you're mentally ill and move on.
So dueling GUIs is worse than a dueling GUI and commandline UI? It's funny to see you twist into wild contortions.
>Microsoft, has, and does, break compatibility when they feel the need to. Paul's article puts an emphasis on this with Metro. The thing is that you have to actually read Paul Thurrott's article and understand just exactly what he's trying to say. He's saying that Metro is a "bet the company" move and there's no going back.
So your argument is that Microsoft will break compatibility to such an extent that their own Visual Studio won't run on the next version of Windows? What are you smoking? And Paul in no way implies anywhere that the desktop is going away. He is just saying that it's a bad move for MS to allow users to turn off Metro which is a very different from removing the Desktop paradigm.
Just how much ZaRex do you have to drink (it wasn't Kool Aid they drank in Jonestown) to believe that dueling GUIs on the same computer is not a colossally stupid idea?
--
BMO
You mean like Win 95 which ran on top of DOS and how you could land in DOS fullscreen to run DOS apps? That was two dueling UIs right there.
Regular Metro apps can only be distributed via Windows Store
That is horrifying.
Not more horrifying than malware and viruses running rampant.
>I have yet to see anyone who does not have a vested interest in Metro like it.
That implies there is no one without a vested interest in Metro who like it right? And this is for a OS that has a billion users.
>Having both GUIs on the same machine violates everything both Microsoft and Apple have said about consistency of UI.
Any references to them saying so? Even if so, why do they have to follow what they (allegedly) said?
>The only solution is to get rid of one or the other. /not/ backing down from Metro.
>That means that the Desktop needs to go. Microsoft is
Talk about leap of logic. This is a company that bends over for backwards compatibility. The desktop is going nowhere my friend, if you think that Microsoft will break millions of Win32 apps on Windows 8, you're frankly retarded. Whether Windows 8 will crash and burn due to the schizo UI is a different topic which I am willing to entertain, but they will not break compatibility that is their lifeblood, especially in enterprise. Period. And you arguing for it over and over again makes you sound stupid, to be frank.
>As if I care. There are actual jokes of the tech world, and they are...
Slashdot is indeed the joke of the tech world. Slashdot wrote stories like this about Windows 7(not to mention organized fud campaigns by Computerworld fake benchmarks):
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/02/16/2259257/draconian-drm-revealed-in-windows-7
Go on, read the comments there.
Choice comment from that discussion:
Re:A DRM ban clause should be added as a constitut (Score:4, Insightful)
by hairyfeet (841228) Alter Relationship on Tuesday February 17 2009, @12:54AM (#26882807) Journal
I been saying it and saying it that the DRM in Win7 hadn't been turned on and that is why they are getting good performance out of it now. Vista Beta 1 ran great for me too, but that was the pre DRM version. All of this DRM crap has to monitor you to keep "criminals" like the owner of the PC from doing as they like 24/7/365. All of that monitoring takes up CPU and RAM that could have been used for your stuff.
Mark my words, what we are seeing here is the tiniest tip of the turd iceberg that is Win7, AKA Vista the second edition. It will go down in flames as folks find out it is a big pile of stink just like Vista. That is why just yesterday I had a customer literally throw money at me saying "make this %^&^&$ POS Vista go away! I don't want to see this thing again until XP is on it!". So mark my words, Linux guys. Be getting your A games ready. Be doing everything you can to fix the little irritants like Winprinters because when Vista7 goes down in flames you are going to have a LOT of POed folks looking for a new direction. And Apple is just too damned expensive for John Q. Average. So this is your shot, make it count. I doubt seriously after Win7 goes down in flames that Ballmer will have a job and the next guy they bring in will probably be one of the MS Office guys and he will go back to dull and boring business OSes(Oh,Lord,please let it be so!) so you guys probably won't get a third at bat.
I for one would like some healthy competition to make the marketplace more fair so don't miss your shot,make it count. Because a moron as stupid as Ballmer only comes around once in a lifetime and you don't want to miss it.
And the tech world noticed that Slashdot turned into a joke --> http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/02/oh-the-humanity-windows-7s-draconian-drm.ars
>Windows 7 actually doesn't suck. It's what Vista should have been. Its throughput for nontrivial amounts of files /does/ suck, but as a run-of-the-mill OS, it's not 'orrible, guvnuh.
Ah lovely, now you love Window
Fucking RMS cock sucking cum guzzler... I'll bet you were really holding yourself back not to say "Micros$oft".
Good grief.
He tried, but Hurd does not support the $ symbol yet.
There is a lot of thought being put into how to implement the support.