Have you seen where the "Show X More Comments" button is? I hope there's some way to just get all the comments without having to scroll all the way down again and again (if there is, I haven't found it yet).
That's simply the fault of the way (or order) that CS is taught (at some places). Using C++ shouldn't have stopped you from learning about registers, memory blocks, and simply digital logic along with micro-architectures. Did you expect C++ to teach you CS, or expect not to need to learn CS if you used it? You're blaming C++ for a separate problem.
I mostly agree. However: look into the work that Google has been doing with javascript interpreters. There are tasks for which C++ simply isn't fast enough to write, and you need to modify the code very often. In these cases you'd need 4 times the manpower to get the job done, and maintained, while computing power (in certain cases) is cheaper. It depends on the task.
Also, as the C++ evolves and adds new features, it's easier to "upgrade" software that was written years ago, as long as it was object-oriented. STL libs weren't always around (or "standard", or stable), but eventually you could use vector<> pretty much anywhere you needed an array.
C++ allows you to work at a level of abstraction that you need right now, for this function or section/area of the program. It gives you this ability while not forcing you to inline other languages, but you *can* compile C alongside it in cases where there's already a C library that does specifically what you want (and almost all task-specific libs are written in C, across most languages). No other language can boast anything near this level of flexibility. Can it be messy? Definitely. But good software structures will look clean and logical no matter where you look along the spectrum of abstraction ("spectrum of abstraction"... I need to remember that next time I publish something intended for academia...).
You moved from portable, scalable, flexible C++ to an architecture-specific assembler? Ah, I see you were modded up. Good, Slashdot is working perfectly today.
...It certainly beats the opinion of some individuals who are biased toward their favorite (or least favorite) languages.
I'd also say it's less religious. I mean compare C++ programmers to Java programmers, or, dare I mention -- Perl programmers (and I used to program in both for years... Criticism of the languages themselves was not taken well).
Just a clarification... I meant to reply to the parent post. I just had a brain fart because I read the line "but who uses C++ these days?" and starting seizing and foaming at the mouth, and I pressed the wrong "Reply to This" button.
Man, that was high-quality flamebait.
(I use C++ for almost everything in which the environment *lets* me use it, so I was the right target I guess)
Let's ask Bjarne the same question: List of C++ Applications
Chop off half of the software applications on that list, at random -- can you still use your computer now? How about the internet?
But they're already *in* the system. They've already invested the time and money. He's telling the to throw that away after, what? A year? 2 years? That isn't "risk", it's certain loss. If he were looking for high-school graduates before they went to collage, that would be one thing, but he's telling them to throw away something they already have.
I'm referring to the message he's sending out into the *world*. Some of the applicants will be turned down and then think "you know, I can probably pull this off on my own". Other won't apply at all and just consider his opinion to validate their own, and drop-out for a very high-risk attempt. It's irresponsible not for the people who get picked, but for the ones who don't.
But...but... Facebook is worth 33 BILLION DOLLARS!
They could sell the company right now and get ~$5 for every human on earth! And you *know* it's true -- it's been reported on the internet
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Also, if you look into the Zucherberg story (not the movie, I mean what actually happened), he got where he did *because* he was at Harvard. If you manage to get something big going in the middle of your education, then you should consider the options. But dropping out because of anecdotal information about some people who've taken that path?
Oh, and try getting a job at Google without a degree (I know it's easier now, but they used to turn you away immediately if you didn't have one).
A good foundation is always going to be handy. The best (one of the best, at least) way to get a solid foundation in math/physics is in a formal learning environment. Sure, you're gonna learn things that you'll never use, but that's going to be true no matter what path of education you take. This way, you have a degree with which to get your first job -- the thing that *leads* to "Experience and provable capability". It also depends on the field. Many large, old-school companies won't look at you if you don't have the right piece of paper from the right kind of institution.
Even if this is true for many talented developers, it's still irresponsible. Actually "urging" kids to stop their collage/university education mid-way is a zeitgeist decision, it only *may* be the right move *now*, but who's saying the tech sector isn't facing another blow 6 months from now (whatever the reason, like a larger economical problem or a large shift in priorities for the major tech companies). They've already put in the money and time into getting a formal education, and he's urging them to gamble it away? Selfish.
For the record, I word in programming, embedded, and some EE, and I don't have a degree. But then, I didn't *start* one either -- I didn't invest time or money getting half-way there and then drop out mid-way.
A) Greetings existentialists:)
B) I *am* Jewish, and "Le-Chaim" means "To Life" if you approximate it to modern Hebrew. If you look at the etymology of it, and at the purpose of the phrase, it becomes more complicated, and (arguably) a question of opinion.
It's not easy making money off of religion. The whole idea is that money flows from the many to the few, so only so many religious people can actively profit from it. It does make getting and keeping a job easier in many (if not most) cases, but this depends on what sector you work in.
Of course, if you're an atheist, you could argue that it's not an immoral decision to *pretend* to be religious, for the perks. In some countries the "perks" include staying alive.
Alternate wording: "When you've already been through hell, you have nothing to fear." (kinda sounds like a horror movie slogan)
Also, is "fear of death is most common among women than men" grammatically correct? Most/Than? Shouldn't it be "more than"? (I'm guessing that they have editors and this is technically correct, I'm just unfamiliar with it)
Observation: Go to any story on Slashdot these days, and just reply with the words "bla bla communism, bla bla Obama health plan" -- you will be modded up. I've gotta try that...
Image search. Those thumbnails (and the slightly larger "zoom-ins") on the new image search (the one that floods your page) take up a massive amount of bandwidth. Also anything that Google owns that displays thumbnails of any kind -- YouTube, Video Search, Google News, etc.. There's also Picasa, but I don't think that it's really a big bandwidth hog, comparatively.
Last time Slashdot recycled a story was on the 10th.
If this is what's going to happen from now on, then I'lll start recycling my posts:
"Slashdot has become so big that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing, and neither hand actually READS Slashdot..."
(originally posted on Friday September 10, @04:20AM)
Slashdot Mirror
Have you seen where the "Show X More Comments" button is? I hope there's some way to just get all the comments without having to scroll all the way down again and again (if there is, I haven't found it yet).
Some of us wants them.
Smeagol? Is that you?...
How long is a double long if long long nibbled a bit?
0: You look starved! Have a byte!
1: Fine, I'll have a nibble.
0: Let me just heat it up a bit.
An int took a byte from a float and got a double slap to the face.
Ok. Now imagine how mind-numbingly slow they'd be if they were written in any other language.
That's simply the fault of the way (or order) that CS is taught (at some places). Using C++ shouldn't have stopped you from learning about registers, memory blocks, and simply digital logic along with micro-architectures. Did you expect C++ to teach you CS, or expect not to need to learn CS if you used it? You're blaming C++ for a separate problem.
I mostly agree.
However: look into the work that Google has been doing with javascript interpreters. There are tasks for which C++ simply isn't fast enough to write, and you need to modify the code very often. In these cases you'd need 4 times the manpower to get the job done, and maintained, while computing power (in certain cases) is cheaper. It depends on the task.
Also, as the C++ evolves and adds new features, it's easier to "upgrade" software that was written years ago, as long as it was object-oriented. STL libs weren't always around (or "standard", or stable), but eventually you could use vector<> pretty much anywhere you needed an array.
C++ allows you to work at a level of abstraction that you need right now, for this function or section/area of the program. It gives you this ability while not forcing you to inline other languages, but you *can* compile C alongside it in cases where there's already a C library that does specifically what you want (and almost all task-specific libs are written in C, across most languages). No other language can boast anything near this level of flexibility. Can it be messy? Definitely. But good software structures will look clean and logical no matter where you look along the spectrum of abstraction ("spectrum of abstraction"... I need to remember that next time I publish something intended for academia...).
You moved from portable, scalable, flexible C++ to an architecture-specific assembler? Ah, I see you were modded up. Good, Slashdot is working perfectly today.
...It certainly beats the opinion of some individuals who are biased toward their favorite (or least favorite) languages.
I'd also say it's less religious. I mean compare C++ programmers to Java programmers, or, dare I mention -- Perl programmers (and I used to program in both for years... Criticism of the languages themselves was not taken well).
Just a clarification... I meant to reply to the parent post. I just had a brain fart because I read the line "but who uses C++ these days?" and starting seizing and foaming at the mouth, and I pressed the wrong "Reply to This" button.
Man, that was high-quality flamebait.
(I use C++ for almost everything in which the environment *lets* me use it, so I was the right target I guess)
Let's ask Bjarne the same question: List of C++ Applications
Chop off half of the software applications on that list, at random -- can you still use your computer now? How about the internet?
But they're already *in* the system. They've already invested the time and money. He's telling the to throw that away after, what? A year? 2 years? That isn't "risk", it's certain loss. If he were looking for high-school graduates before they went to collage, that would be one thing, but he's telling them to throw away something they already have.
I'm referring to the message he's sending out into the *world*. Some of the applicants will be turned down and then think "you know, I can probably pull this off on my own". Other won't apply at all and just consider his opinion to validate their own, and drop-out for a very high-risk attempt. It's irresponsible not for the people who get picked, but for the ones who don't.
But...but... Facebook is worth 33 BILLION DOLLARS!
They could sell the company right now and get ~$5 for every human on earth! And you *know* it's true -- it's been reported on the internet .
Also, if you look into the Zucherberg story (not the movie, I mean what actually happened), he got where he did *because* he was at Harvard. If you manage to get something big going in the middle of your education, then you should consider the options. But dropping out because of anecdotal information about some people who've taken that path?
Oh, and try getting a job at Google without a degree (I know it's easier now, but they used to turn you away immediately if you didn't have one).
A good foundation is always going to be handy. The best (one of the best, at least) way to get a solid foundation in math/physics is in a formal learning environment. Sure, you're gonna learn things that you'll never use, but that's going to be true no matter what path of education you take. This way, you have a degree with which to get your first job -- the thing that *leads* to "Experience and provable capability". It also depends on the field. Many large, old-school companies won't look at you if you don't have the right piece of paper from the right kind of institution.
Even if this is true for many talented developers, it's still irresponsible. Actually "urging" kids to stop their collage/university education mid-way is a zeitgeist decision, it only *may* be the right move *now*, but who's saying the tech sector isn't facing another blow 6 months from now (whatever the reason, like a larger economical problem or a large shift in priorities for the major tech companies). They've already put in the money and time into getting a formal education, and he's urging them to gamble it away? Selfish.
For the record, I word in programming, embedded, and some EE, and I don't have a degree. But then, I didn't *start* one either -- I didn't invest time or money getting half-way there and then drop out mid-way.
A) Greetings existentialists :)
B) I *am* Jewish, and "Le-Chaim" means "To Life" if you approximate it to modern Hebrew. If you look at the etymology of it, and at the purpose of the phrase, it becomes more complicated, and (arguably) a question of opinion.
It's not easy making money off of religion. The whole idea is that money flows from the many to the few, so only so many religious people can actively profit from it. It does make getting and keeping a job easier in many (if not most) cases, but this depends on what sector you work in.
Of course, if you're an atheist, you could argue that it's not an immoral decision to *pretend* to be religious, for the perks. In some countries the "perks" include staying alive.
Alternate wording: "When you've already been through hell, you have nothing to fear." (kinda sounds like a horror movie slogan)
Also, is "fear of death is most common among women than men" grammatically correct? Most/Than? Shouldn't it be "more than"? (I'm guessing that they have editors and this is technically correct, I'm just unfamiliar with it)
Observation: Go to any story on Slashdot these days, and just reply with the words "bla bla communism, bla bla Obama health plan" -- you will be modded up. I've gotta try that...
Only the Platinum members are allowed to bug the kernal. I think that Gold members just get a discount.
Image search. Those thumbnails (and the slightly larger "zoom-ins") on the new image search (the one that floods your page) take up a massive amount of bandwidth. Also anything that Google owns that displays thumbnails of any kind -- YouTube, Video Search, Google News, etc.. There's also Picasa, but I don't think that it's really a big bandwidth hog, comparatively.
Last time Slashdot recycled a story was on the 10th.
If this is what's going to happen from now on, then I'lll start recycling my posts:
"Slashdot has become so big that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing, and neither hand actually READS Slashdot..."
(originally posted on Friday September 10, @04:20AM)