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Slashdot Launches Re-Design
Today we are pleased to announce the launch of the third major re-design in our 13.5 year history, and I don't think it looks half bad.
The new theme represents a serious gutting of the underlying HTML and CSS, as well as all-new graphics. There will be many design wiggles, bug squashes, and compatibility glitches that survived testing, so bear with us for a bit.
Please direct your bug reports and feedback (good and bad!) to Garrett Woodworth who is currently
in charge of such things.
Thanks to him, Wes, Vlad, Dean, Phil and Tim, who have each worked hard to get this out the door. Juggling the needs of users, editors, and various business functions is a hard job, and you guys did good.
I was sure there'd be ponies in the new design.
wayyyyy too much white space and low-contrast text on white.
Ice Cream has no bones.
Nice job on the redesign
It'll take some getting used to, but I don't mind the new design. Change != bad
It's better to burn out than to fade away
Why is it so much smaller now than before? Are you hoping we'll think we are reading a different site?
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
How about Unicode, do you support that yet?
Premero commento?
I HATE THOSE MARGINS, even more than the rounded and gradient bar shades on stories that was introduced years ago!
R.I.P. Marginless 1998-era design :(
In Safari on my Mac, the lefthand navigation covers part of the left side of the center pane. Please fix, and then I'm sure I'll learn to tolerate it :)
Oops.
... heck happened? At least it rendered good in firefox on a powerful computer, hopefully it doesn't crap out on my phone or my slower laptop
I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
Good job! It's a little heavy on white space, but not too bad..
And Slashdot has now gotten on the "waste your screen space with bullshit" fixed-position bandwagon. Luckily this is easily solved. Install Stylish and add the following to a new user style:
Now the sidebar/header scroll with the page, rather than remaining fixed in place.
Has the underlying slashcode base been made more shiny? "There was an unknown error in the submission." ???
Doesn't work in Chrome/Iron ... .... but works in IE 8 ... :(
Looks like crap. Fonts are too small. I hate change.
Looks much better on my iPad. Well done guys
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How does a website catering to nerds prioritize IE development over that of Chrome? WTF?
Everybody who wants to complain about the new layout can post it as a reply here, so to help identify people whose philosophy is "whine first, test later" and ignore their QQing.
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There is no way that people are going to like this. Too much tech news....
No new content.. More whitespace than before. Lame.
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
Looks much better on my iPhone!
Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
My already overtaxed old Powerbook can't handle the new site's layout, and it looks like I'll have to either avoid Slashdot, one of my daily religious reads for over a decade, or buy a new piece of equipment just to read a text format site. Seriously? It's text, wtf was so important that it's got to be redone to look fancy? Why not some flash animation while you're at it? Can we switch to an html view? I'm glad you felt the need to flash the place up, but this is pretty stupid.
So far I like what I see.
Very nice design! Thank you to all who contributed getting /. a modern look! :)
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but the text on /. keeps getting smaller.
Actually it looks pretty good. Nice and clean. And I can always hit Command + to make it bigger.
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It worked in the previous version.
but other than that it seems to be fine.
Change, bad...grumble grumble grumble...
So, I'm using Firefox 3.6.13 and the stuff on the right covers stuff that should be showing in the middle. In Safari, it doesn't look half bad.
At least Idle now looks the same as the rest of the site. That alone is a huge improvement (and will mean I'll take it off "hidden" status from my frontpage).
Though I have to say, I'd gotten used to the AJAX widget in the upper-left corner to control loading more posts. Having that locked at the top of the page isn't nearly as convenient.
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Wow, for once a redesign that isn't horrible and doesn't automatically make me want to go back! The javascript seems faster (finally) and the whole thing looks smoother, and into the 21st century. I wonder if unicode is supported yet. €
Well, seriously, it might end good / too early to tell (with us being currently simply used to the old way of doing things)
But performance could be better / scrolling doesn't seem too fluid in current browsers... (on Atom-grade machine; so how could it be on smartphones / tablets / etc.?)
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Are images with the stories supposed to overlap text and otherwise leave the apparent color boundaries?
Could need adjusting on my part, but it seems too wide to fit on my netbook...
After all those years looking at the same design, its a long way from that index.pl site in 90's ;)
Kudos!
BTW, the old design was good too
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I like it--looks clean and professional to me. Kudos.
I like it.
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What is the obsession with obnoxious floating headers that always stay at the top of the screen? Whatever utility they provide is outweighed by the fact that it screws up the paging behavior when you hit the spacebar to scroll. It's annoying to have the bottom two lines of text scroll behind the floating bar--not everyone reads to the absolute very, very bottom before hitting space.
It's OK, but I need to reconfigure something. Annoyingly, there's light blue on white text for my comment box (due to my KDE theme I assume), plus it still doesn't render completely right in opera. Other than those annoyances, looks like it could be quite useful.
"People don't want to learn linux" hasn't been a valid excuse since '03.
Yep, it seems the the two major long-standing problems (broken comment expansion in idle and no pasting in Chrome/Safari) are fixed, but now it doesn't look like there's any indication of the difference between a long thread and a single comment. Visually I like it a lot, and the fixes were much needed - I'd call it a big improvement, but it definitely needs some top-level representation of the threading to handle the number of comments Slashdot stories tend to provoke.
...yes, you can see some changes. But they're nice changes that leave the familiar intact. I like it.
Comment score selection is buggy as fuck on Firefox. The only one it lines up on is -1.
It's different, but it's not better.
It makes me feel old. But this could work. Pretty fresh.
What a bunch of amature crap. What's with the box on the left? Can't see crap besides the crap!
Within minutes I found myself using site features I'd never been tempted to use before. You've obviously done something right.
It doesn't look half bad, it looks all bad.
I'm running Firefox 3.6.13 with adblockplus, flashblock, and noscript, with only slashdot.org and fsdn.org allowed, all other domains blocked.
In short, it looks shiny but rather buggy. The left side of the frame is all clipped, missing one or two letters per word.
Also, it now runs like a drunken cow - scrolling is jerky and page loading takes noticeably longer. Revert it, IMO.
The absolute first thing I noticed was the prominence of the feedback link. Slashdot was unique in being one of the only major sites without an easy-to-find link to give feedback on the site. More than anything, that was very well needed. Thank you.
I live in constant fear of the Coming of the Red Spiders.
I have to say I have always generally been impressed with the /. redesigns and this is no exception. Well done team, thanks again not just for a great site but for continuing to make it look and work better for all the users.
Chrome copy/paste works again!
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Could we get a search function for slashdot that actually works, too? I would have been happy to keep the old design but have a search function here that was at least as good as infoseek was back in 1998. Some of us recall a short period a while ago when you actually allowed us to just use google to search slashdot, which was a huge improvement over the slashdot search function that came before and after that.
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Holy crap! I was here only a couple hours ago. I thought I'd typed in the wrong url by mistake!
I for one loved the days of framed pages. This new redesign is really a step in a direction, back to the good ol' days of framed geocities pages. I love a persistent section of my screen real estate dedicated to features I never use. Good work slashdot! Slowly bringing back 1996, but in a new, hip web 2.0 framed header style.
captcha: flattery
It looks like some of the formatting problems with the CSS and replying to threads have been squashed, however it seems to be utterly broken on my Blackberry's built in browser, doesn't seem to scale down width-wise very well.
I just clicked on my achievement (5 point comment) and it said Message 27834164 not found. Just wondering if this was due to the change. Also, sometimes the footers get cut off, so I couldn't see every link at the bottom on the left, and on the right it said: 201, Geeknet (rather than 2011). These things don't actually matter at all but... yeah.
The redesign is very VERY good. Same style, but actually works properly now! For instance, I did this reply in 10 seconds instead of 2 minutes. Thumbs up guys.
Disagree != mod troll.
Is it my delusion or the font size is really smaller than in the past? Maybe the fault of those white space...
Is shaving off the left edge of every article part of the plan, or just a bonus?
Warning: this article may contain humor, sarcasm, parody, and perhaps even irony. Read at your own risk.
after getting bitchslapped by sudden release of the new interface, i can say that it causes us to have to one by one click and open all comments in a thread when we attempt to go to a post someone replied to our post, through the message facility.
ie you go to your m essages -> click on the Y at the link that says user x postedm message y in response to your post, you end up at the initial post of that particular thread (yours o r others) and you have to open all the comments through the last post the user made in reply to
also, i think you are not able to reply to a last post in a long thread too. i keep replying to some reply who someone put in response to mine, but my reply goes to the parent post - my post.
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Dunno sometimes it takes 30 seconds for the preview to switch to post.. so we'll see
- Too much whitespace.
- Posts and comments need better separation(green line or something)
- Noticeably slower in Firefox 3.6.13 on my Core 2 Duo 1.667GHz laptop w/ 3GB RAM(minecraft is running in the background though).
- Comment text box is way too small.
I think the overall direction is good though - I hated the last layout and had turned a lot of the fancy stuff off.
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The menu on the top left side cuts off half an inch of text of articles and comments. I am on Ubuntu and Firefox, the latest released versions of both. I am shocked that Slashdot of all websites did not test Ubuntu and Firefox.
Otherwise, it looks pretty good, I have to admit.
I, for one, prefer to go up and down a page bu using Page Up and Page Down. For this reason, I generally despise any toolbar/style bar/whatever the hell you want to call it that refuses to stay at the top of the page where it belongs. I'm rather annoyed with the new design, too. I prefer simplicity to fancy graphics; it seems to me that this is simply unnecessary.
I can no longer see any comments beneath the top level ones. Clicking on sub comments just displays a digit like "2" and nothing else shows up.
WTF? All was working well earlier. Is it some AC thing? I don't have a registered account, I've always just browsed anonymously.
But it looks like I'll have to stop reading slashdot if I can't actually see the comments anymore.
Not all content loads, requires repeated hits of refresh. Why take the Microsoft approach to fix everything not broken when it worked exceptionally well to begin with?
EDIT: Just to be able to post this comment, I needed to preview it which timed out in Firefox with "Server not found".
we coders/programmers really dont have a knack for good design.
actually i improved myself a lot over the years though.
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visually, it is supreme. good job
functionally, little nits
using google chrome, if i open a story, there's some biolerplate under the story summery, stuff like "Share This Story" "This story has..." etc., and some graphics
even in widened ridiculously, the first 10-20px of this boilerplate is getting shuffled the left column
also, the way some comments are being rolled up into a nested structure... i don't know, i think some top level comments are being stuck under other top level comments they bear no relation too. unless people are making completely unrelated comments
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I can get a tan while sitting in front of my monitor.
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I like the simplicity...and it even seems tablet friendly so far. It appears to resize and render well on the ipad...some overlap issues on my android tablet but its still usable.
Well five minutes ago I thought it was great, I was like "wow slashdot did away with all of their design, it looks just like craigslist." I guess I just happened to log on when there was no stylesheet for a bit.
I'm kidding though, I do like the new look
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..nm I got used to it.
The design isn't bad, but why did you use HTML5? Maybe you haven't checked slashdot recently, but that isn't a valid standard, yet.
Wow, I have to use IE7 on my corporate laptop. Slashdot doesn't work at all. Pegs my dual core processor, doesn't render even close, etc.
yeah yeah IE7, but it's not like I am the only one who has to use it.
The header bar contains a basic design flaw, when you drop a shadow on a header like that, you need to start the shadow at least 1 pixel after the bar, otherwise it will looks like the bar is larger than the content. (which is happening). You guys should hire a designer.
Various bits cut off, images unaligned. The comment visibility threshold slider seems completely broken - it seems impossible to set it to show all comments with score 5, regardless if they're top-level or not.
At least in my N900 as not so trivial text seem to behave well...
Overall good redesign, with two caveats: 1) The user names are tiny now (when people post). 2) I liked the floating comment-depth scroll bar more.
See subject. Please do not fuck these up - revert at least these two to the original. I don't wanna waste my time with user styles for now.
Oh wait that's just the Michele Bachmann advertisement.
Also, this is a test comment.
If you don't know where you are going, you will wind up somewhere else.
Love the new design! It's very slick and open. Good job!
I need to use SeaMonkey 1.1.19 because the particular oddball OS I primarily use does not have a newer version of Firefox or SeaMonkey available for it.
Looking at Slashdot now, it looks like the entire page has been sent through a blender. Whatever happened to HTML degrading gracefully for older browsers? Slashdot being home to all kinds of people with oddball OSes and gadgets, one would think compatibility would be a higher priority. Is this what we have to look forward to every 5 years if we don't purchase the latest "standard" desktop hardware with the latest Microsoft Windows(TM)?
Heck I remember reading Slashdot in Netscape 3.0 ages ago, and it worked for a very long time too.
Nan, I hope the first word of each of these lines is spelled correctly, because I CAN'T SEE IT.
Overall I like it. But it wouldn't hurt to throw in a few ponies around the page. And maybe a little bit of pink wouldn't hurt.
Homer no function beer well without.
Nice site! Thank you!
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My long handle causes the left side bar to overlap the story area. Needs a max-width style badly
The navigation bar seems like too much white space, but I like it overall
Talking about the girl in the t-shirt ad.... is there anything else I should be looking for?
Once again a site with a simple, easy-to-read layout is redesigned to cater to iPad users. Everything does not have to look like a touch button!
I can't tell if the new Microsoft icon is more or less creepy... http://a.fsdn.com/sd/topics/microsoft_64.png
Whitespace improves readability.
Can't say the same for grey text, but it looks pretty all the same.
Lemmings are silly; dinosaurs are extinct.
So nice redesign in general, although there is too much whitespace (trim it down a bit!). Anyway, is there any chance to get a mobile page added onto this? Something that's specifically tailored for a mobile device's screen size and touchscreen interface? I've always found it bulky and troublesome to navigate Slashdot with my mobile device, and this redesign is, unfortunately, no exception.
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When I get an email from slashdot telling me that somebody has posted a reply I follow the link to the new post. But I don't actually see the reply. I have to click on a top level post and follow the tree downwards, clicking to open each post, to find the reply I want to read. So why can't slashdot directly show me the new message?
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Why can't I select the classic discussion system (D1) any more? Please don't say this has been discontinued :(
:/- spoon(_).
When I click on my username and choose comments I get a list of my recent comments and their scores. So far, so good. However, when I click on a comment to see the replies and that comment is deep in the thread, I get the top level posting instead of my comment.
When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
Waaaaaaaaaaah. Like what? Curved corners? I like it. Seems much snappier on my phone than before. Yet to try it on a PC.
which is totally what she said
Your new format cuts off the far left side of whatever I'm trying to read underneath the useless menu. This is firefox on Linux, FFS. Did you guys even bother to test this before go live? If we'd done this at my work they would have subjected us to being sodomized by goats, posted the video on you tube, and then fired everyone involved.
OK, maybe not everyone, but you get the point.
Sharp corners on everything. Kinda harsh. Maybe I'll get used to it. At least the threading isn't all messed up like that one they beta'd a few months ago... the one they called "dynamic discussions". That was an utter trainwreck. This might be useable...
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
That's great, and it looks nice and (thankfully) loads faster... but this is the first time I've actually *visited* Slashdot in almost a year. It's a key part of my Google Reader feeds, though! It also looks nice when read via FlipBoard on my iPad.
This statement is solely an opinion. Kindly take it as such in all cases.
Because of the larger fonts I've been using the new design blocks the left part of the page slightly. I'd like at least to be able to disable the subject bar on the left.
-uso.
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Fantastic..
I have devoutly avoided posting here. Can't resist, must complain of white space headache! Please grey it out or something, can't think.... Ahhhh!!
It's fine, but I don't like the giant facebook and twitter icons in the top. You might as well be pimping AOL, while you're at it for as relevant as it is to the Slashdot community who generally has a great distaste for the two web-cluttering-shit-services.
My IE7 doesn't render correctly either. The menu that should be on the left side (at least it does in my firefox browser) shows up way on the right on IE7. The stories are partially covered on the right side by my karma and poll boxes. The horizontal scroll bar thinks there is stuff way off to the right, even though it appears to be empty. The webpage doesn't seem to size correctly to the actual browser size. (My Firefox browser seems to render everything better.)
I thought some one dropped acid in my Red Bull.
Personally, I felt the layout was bad. Now it is worse!
I tend to reject JavaScript. I enabled it in hopes to get rid of the locked Menu that slows my browser scrolling. Then the browser crashed. Mozilla based Iceweasel 3.0.6 My PC is slow your site is rendered even slower. 1.5Ghz P4 Laptop with 1Gb RAM. Dell Inspiron 8200. I hate slow response. Having a menu always visible is not as important to me as being able to scroll at a reasonable rate.
And apparently i for italics doesn't work. I used em for emphasis. Which is a generic term that could mean italics, bold, or underlined. (frown)
The redesign is amazing. It looks better AND I've noticed a few features that weren't there in the past (or I didn't notice them before). That'll do pig. That'll do.
I'm generally happy with the new look, except for the bit between the story and the comments. Everything is stacked vertically, so on a wide screen you end up with tons of wasted space.
Needs less Web 2.0, more lens flares and of course more cowbell. And most of all a "use old design" button.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Slashdot has reached Web 3.0! But seriously, Web 2.0 has nothing to do with HTML or design.
Personally I want the ability to post and mod in the same thread most. Reddit and Hacker News allow it, why can't Slashdot?
Don't touch anything ! I love it !
It seems to run a lot smother then it did before and commenting is faster. I don't like the lack of a button to get more comments on the side and that there's no new post button at the bottom of the page. I like the layout though. Maybe make the /. logo a bit bigger.
Also it went really weird during the transition so maybe try do it faster.
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I think the RSS feed is still using assets from the old design, as the comments section of the items are poorly formatted and an aesthetic mess.
Just FYI.
Actually, I could get used to just the look of it.
But make the fixed "taskbar" on top go away. Just let it scroll up with the rest of the page.
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as a Usabilty/design expert . . . nice job guys. dont listen to these fools talk about whitespace and i like the absolute positioning on nav as well. it's smooth and easy to navigate.
keep up the great work guys
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The comment box I am typing in is less than 1/4 the available width. Also, the green title bar on comments runs right into the right edge of the screen (this is not the case if I click a comment # to view replies) .
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You still have a broken threshold adjustment on iPad's Safari. The new slider is completely non-functional. What's worse, going back to D1 doesn't work at all.
Where are the color interest level indicators??
No, it has to do with adding tons of useless AJAX bullshit to the site along with all the blog spam on the site now.
comment text is hard to read in the rss feed (they are already expanded, but light gray on white is harder to read than black on white - I am using google reader, chromium-10.something/firefox-beta and stable)
Looks like slashdot just tried to copy my website to some degree.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Why is the display options box nailed to the right margin?
Also the 'slow down cowboy' error message is truncated on both the left and right side of the sentence...
The basic look is pretty nice - but I'm surprised you didn't think about your users, who are one of the last bastion of Internet folks who still believe in function > form!
Ie. the style seemed to come with a big decrease in density of useful data in the given space. For most random sites that may be a good thing as to keep from overwhelming the users, but on /. it's a big step backwards - these are people who are still using VT emulation and have memorized the most obscure vi or emacs commands to be more efficient, and you are trying to tell them they need 12-14 point fonts and an extra 5 points of whitespace between each line??
Oh well... it's just CSS, you still improve it, right? ;)
1. the shading and rounded corners on the text boxes and buttons are ugly.
2. the grey border around the outside is pointless. What's with this new trend of wasting desktop real estate with all this white space that has minimal functionality? This disease exists everywhere now.. I like compact windows with dense functionality.
3. The stuff on the right takes too much white space..
4. One positive thing is that this seems much faster.
There is major breaking of the layout if I increase my default font size on firefox 3.6.13 (Using ctrl + while having my zoom option to "Zoom text only".
Slashdot is a site with lot of text, some of it even worth reading, and doing that with a larger font is much really really nice.
Why is the get more posts button at the bottom of the page? It means controlling the posts you view is spread out into two different locations that are far apart. It doesn't work as well as when it was at the top.
new design threads better on a column mode mobile browser like blackberry.
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Where is the thread order setting? I really like to be able to start with "Highest messages, threaded" but if I return to an thread a week later to se if there have been any updates, having a fast way to change to "flat, newest first" is really needed.
Just kidding!
Hopefully this interface will not be quite as "quirky" as the last iteration was.
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JUST NO. EPIC FAIL
Our new Slashbook interface works great!
Does the redesign fix the problems with the comment/posting system? Namely that the system sucks?
AJAX typically requires the use of Web 2.0, but is not Web 2.0 itself.
My desktop is by no means new (dual core 1.6GHz, 3Gb ram), but running nothing but Debian stable with gnome as my desktop and Iceweasel open with a single tab containing this new homepage: I walked away for 5 min, came back and my 5 min load avg is 0.87.
I decided to do this test after my first, accidental, exposure to this new site design: I innocently opened /. in a tab and had to force quit Iceweasel and close down vmware. I guess my choice now is, I can do all the things I've grown accustomed to doing on this computer, or I can read slashdot.
Seriously, /. - WTF?
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I've got a single core 2.2ghz machine with 2 gigs of ram running Linux (of course). Slashdot used to fly, now it sucks up 20% cpu with just a tab open, doing nothing... not even scrolling around. Start scrolling around and you're looking at 60% cpu. What the heck is going on? Where is all the cpu usage coming from?
The goal of computer science is to build something that will last at least until we've finished building it.
Ick
Nope. I guess not.
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You were critically hit for no damage. The bruise will look nice, and maybe the scars will make good party talk.
Only thing I noticed was the comment slider doesn't work with the iPad. Pretty clean lines, like it.
So, is slashdot moving away from the reply and focusing on highly rated OP's only, or is there a good way to expand out threads without moving to a new page?
Windows 7 x64 and FF 3.6.13
So far, I think it sucks.
rome browser (8.0.552.237) running on Win7 Ultimate.
e menu on the left side is too wide and cuts off the main panel.
rhaps my username has more characters than you expected?
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I like it. looks cleaner
First, this text box I'm typing in right now is clipped on the left in firefox 4 (the left nav is hovering over it, all the way to covering up most of the 'C' in Comment Subject:
Second, when I went to read replies to my posts, the links took me to my grandparent post, rather than the reply to a reply that I should have visited. I had to expand out 4 messages to get to the message I was supposed to be receiving.
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Haven't analyzed them yet, but seem to be getting new third part scripts trying to load now? (cdn.optimizley.com; s8.addthis.com) Are these new or am I just looking to hard?
Folks. This is a total failure from my perspective. The left menu continually overwrites the first inch or so of the main content. (Firefox 3.6.13 on Windows XP with large fonts) makes the site completely useless.
Please, please tell me this is a joke :(.... Maybe I'll get used to it?
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I just got back from metamod and it was even less intuitive than usual: there were no buttons to click! WTF?
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The whitespace on the lower right of the page seems to stand out and get the user's attention.
Wow. Looks much better in Lynx!
I was actually in the middle of reading the comment thread on an article when the changes went live, and for a second thought my network glitched and the CSS didn't fully load.
But I think I'm getting used to it. It's not all that bad, really. And the dev team must be really fast at fixing bugs, because I don't see most of the issues that other people are posting.
Except Unicode still doesn't seem to work. Oh, well.
Something screwy here: http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x5/apn_ki/slashdot_wtf.jpg
It still looks the same to me.
I second the comment of too much white space, not enough contrast. In addition: Overall the whole place now looks "flat" for lack of a better word. I don't like the fact that the side pane doesn't scroll with the rest of the page. I prefer the single page that moves as a whole model rather than the current layout, which just reminds me WAY too much of bad sites in iFrames. Finally, here's the weird one. Everything appears right until I log in. The the main pane is shifted about four character spaces to the left, sending the text at the beginning of every line "under" the side pane and out of view.
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I must admit, I'm a bit disappointed to see that Slashdot is still using the "Borg" image to represent Microsoft. Not only has Bill Gates decisively moved on to a very different line of work (e.g., fighting globally devastating diseases), but the industry landscape has changed dramatically since the days when this image was created. It seems a bit silly to single out Microsoft and its former leader as "the Borg" these days, given the behavior, influence, and tactics of other industry giants (e.g., Apple).
Yea, Im still trying to sort that out. Hopefully it only applies to older comments?
A work-around I found was (assuming youre using Discussion2) to move the slider off of -1, and then back to it. Apparently this refreshes it and forces it to apply the proper filter.
Thumbs up on the much faster replies, though, and fixed copy-paste.
I think the new layout is great. It's much softer than the old one....more aesthetically pleasing. No bugs yet, either :)
Good move.
Needs moar reddit
This is absolutely atrocious! The new layout and color scheme is just too much. I, for one, will never be returning to this once respectable website. Good day sir!
The buttons look great. And it looks cleaner. But the spacing on the left has to go. I believe the top margin on those LI elements should only be applied to:
nav.left_menu li:first-child
Also, making this site more readable on wide screen browsers would be good. Take a hint from news sites. Having to scan across > 1000 pixels is tiring. I don't want to have to fiddle w/ browser widths just for slashdot. The comments don't look so bad at this width, it's the summary.
This probably contributes to the "too much white space" complaint I've read a few times on this thread.
Love
The
New
Site.
Whitespace
good!!
Keep
Up
The
Good
Work!
Interesting...
We'll have to wait for the initial weirdness to pass but it seems promising.
I'm going to have to test it on my phone too, to see how it feels.
1) Lack of left menu toggle... Is it intended?
2) Lack of shadows makes it a bit too flat.
3) I'm liking the slider. I'm not quite sure if it's new. I just never saw it before.
"Science can amuse and fascinate us all, but it is engineering that changes the world. " - Asimov.
The contrast is a bit high, i got new glasses last week : so i can see the difference : (
The Green reminds me of an 70's era Rolls royce i saw that i thought was not too cute. :-(
Sorry guy's
Hey, i just noticed that you don't don't have to write HTML any longer or am i'm incorrect?
I'm here for the experience, not the Hyperbole.
Validate -> "94 Errors, 14 warning(s)"
Some things never change. :/
It looks much better and performs much better.
Using NoSquint addon with Firefox, increasing font size beyond 110% text begins to truncate from the left margin. I will not read Slashdot in 8 point type.
Every mans' island needs an ocean; choose your ocean carefully.
Its awesome. Clean, simple, and usable.
I browse slashdot by going to the main page, scrolling down the list of stories, and opening any interesting ones in new tabs. I never browse by category, so I never expect to use those links on the left that sit there wherever I am on the site.
How about giving me the option of using that space to notify me of stuff? Stuff like new stories being posted, replies to my comments, my comments being moderated and comments being posted with split infinitives (so I can mod them into oblivion) . Being optional, people opting for a low-overhead (and poorly grammared) site don't have to worry about it.
I'm aware the most popular suggestion for changing that left bar is "remove it", but I'm on a wide screen so that would just give me more white space and nothing useful- I expect I'm not the only one. So, anyone else have ideas for something useful to put over there?
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Judging from most of the comments below, the majority of users here are either (A) clueless about design, (B) completely stuck in their ways, or (C) way too picky. This isn't a drastic redesign. The site has been freshened up, that's all. Stop whining over nothing. Slashdot guys - good work. I like it.
First of all, as many people have commented the text is small and the whitespace is huge.
Second of all, even in Chrome it eats CPU and memory. Why is it necessary for an idle page to consume so many resources? I can no longer have anything else running besides Slashdot. While I don't visit as often as I used to, this will make Slashdot much more difficult to visit.
In order to fix the font size, I tried Shift-Ctrl-+. That did increase the font size, but it broke the fixed left sidebar. The left sidebar then scrolled with the rest of the page. Resetting the page back to my default font sizes with Ctrl - fixed the scrolling problem.
I'm curious. What user interface / site requirements were you trying to address with this new design? A quick look at the generated HTML makes me cringe. Hopefully the back end Perl code is much cleaner.
In short, it seems that there has been a lot of effort spent for very little end user enhancement.
Preview also seems to be slower.
The site looks like a complete mess bordering on unusable on my slightly-outdated-for-reasons-I-won't-discuss-here version of firefox.
I guess I'll have to use another browser for checking /. now.
Can't help but think that I should be able to blame this on someone...
doesn't work on my cell phone.
sweet baby jesus
There is a lot of white space but I do like this design. It's very uncluttered. Still a great site.
WTF? Buncha categories I don't care about.
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I can't read any text in portrait on my iPod Touch without zooming in and panning. It's way too small.
Whoo! Whenever I see a website redesign the first thing my mind goes to is "You know, if they could somehow present less information to me at once without changing almost anything else, I'd just love that."
For me text on right side is cut-off because my user name is longish in both chromium and firefox on Ubuntu. Also does anyone know of a setting in options that make it more eye friendly on a n900 ? Sure I could zoom all the way out and have all the text readable without scrolling from side to side, but then I would need to carry around a magnifying glass !
Where's the 'Like' button?
Is this web 2.0? Oh wait, ./ is in the cloud now!
I'm cloud computing! woohoo!
Never trust anyone who takes pride in being called a 'geek'....
More like 80%.
Too white and too ugly... I agree.
'nuff said.
The new design sucks out loud. (Sorry guys.) But I read Slashdot a lot and this will finally force me to learn how to use local CSS.
Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
On wide monitors long comments appear to wide and they are hard to read.
Should be a rectangular area in both sides (left and right) of the screen, some customization are required.
I actually kind of like the static menu bars on the top and side. Even on a 900 pixel high monitor in Firefox it doesn't eat up too much space.
I was only 28,931 registrations away from having a 6-digit UID
I've been reading slashdot since 1997 or so. This is too much change. The new layout is nearly illegible, I have to search for the content in a sea of whitespace. Far too bright. How do I go back to the previous version?
-molo
Using your sig line to advertise for friends is lame.
This is what I was hoping the last redesign would be: no more 10-year old icons, cleaner lines, good contrast, and better typography. I, for one, salute the designers.
1- links are harder to differenciate from the text
2- Nested threads are gone
3- Slower on my older (Athlon X2/4GB) machine
4- Severe lag when typing in the comment box.
Any way to revert to the old layout?
I've got better things to do tonight than die.
The div that holds the menu selections in the left hand column (class="col_1") is overlapping the center column, blocking part of it. Firefox 3.6.13 with Windows Vista.
Lame.
Ian Ameline
It actually works on Chrome!
Thanks, Like it.
CrazyOldMan
harder on the eyes, too bright, text is harder to read.
Slashdot was my Javascript test site due to how ridiculously overloaded the damn thing was. There was a noticeable difference between Firefox versions and different computers loading it because it would just rape as much power away as it could.
:p
On a serious note, I don't see what all the fuss is about. I actually like the new look. Less busy looking. I suppose the sidebar is pretty much useless though. Looks nice and loads 1000000x faster. Comment preview is still slow as shit though. Guess they'll never fix that one.
"Those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - BenF
All this white-space here ----->
you need to use properly.
Keep the column width small.
Here's a rule of thumb from graphic designers: column widths should be 6 words wide, for best readability. This giant single column that I'm writing this sentence with, is just bad design. You don't see newspapers with sentences that run across the page, you shouldn't have to see it on websites as well. It's just difficult to read.
HTML5 has multi-column support. use it.
You might as well use Disqus.
more bookfacey...
I like it but I am having a hell of a time reading existing threads I was in.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
If that sidebar to the left is going to stay ... it needs some contrast compared with the body. It's especially awkward on the home page. The font size is almost the same, there's a whole lot of white space, etc. When I look at it the sidebar and the body are just kind of running together, there's nothing to set it apart. Change the fonts or add a thin border; do SOMETHING to separate it and make it clear that it's a side bar.
"Get more comments" now actually does something for me on FF at work now.
It could be that the only purpose of your life is to serve as a warning to others.
One thing I loved about slashdot was the simple theme. No floating themes, no waisted screen real estate. Whether I was on a small screen or a 20" monitor it always worked. This design, however, is poor on all screens. It is annoying and wasteful.
I have been a loyal reader for 13.5 years. I found slashdot mere months after its founding. If you do not undo these changes, I will no longer come here for news. I cannot abide this atrocity. I will tell my students henceforth to avoid this site, and i will actively campaign against it. Change back to something reasonable, and I will continue to evangelize this site to the geeks of tomorrow.
The choice, sadly, is yours.
-Bob, the once loyal
I am the penguin that codes in the night.
Look, Arial is not a particularly good on-screen font. I have my browser configured so that CSS "sans-serif" resolves to Verdana, and that is for good reason. Other websites respect it - why can't Slashdot? In fact, it could be configured that way... up until this brand new design. Please don't hardcode font family, at least not for article text and comments (I can live with ugly menus). That way everyone can enjoy clear and legible text in their favorite typeface.
Aside from that, the reduced clutter is pretty good, but there are technical issues. So far I've noticed that the left-side menu strip overlaps the comments area somewhat - e.g. as I'm writing this, the label "Comment Subject" above is missing "C" because the menu cuts it away.
It definitely loads and renders quicker here even on my ancient piece of crap. Up to date linux box on a P4 e-Machine with 512 megs and 1024x768. The shading for focus in the textbox is a nice touch but I'll probably disable it as a distraction.
C|N>K
cut/paste now works again in Safari (and probably chrome, etc too).
Huzzah!
I've been here since before there were user accounts, and so far am liking the new look...
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
Nice!
Well, at least you fixed the "Many More" button on iPhone. Now how about expanding a collapsed story header?
Links in stories don't stand out very well, and when I've clicked on them they turn black (if not black, I can't tell the difference). Underline, bold or a lighter color would all be good choices. While not a major problem (the difference is color is obvious enough as I read the text), I always thought it was accepted convention for links to stand out somewhat. I suppose it bothers me than actually affects me, but some people might really have a hard time with it.
My webcomic
Whatever happened to HTML degrading gracefully for older browsers?
Cause the new in town moron web designer of this new slashdot design gutted out all the nice XHTML slashdot transitioned to a few years ago and have gone with apparently the omg-its-new-therefore-good&cool versionless HTML tag:
So now older web browsers have no idea what version you're trying to work with. It also explains why some others are complaining that this new slashdot looks like crap due to lack of a valid DOC tag and browsers are going into quirks mode instead. Also, has anybody noticed that the italics <i> no longer works anymore?
This space is not for rent.
Yes. It does this to me too. And I have one comment I can't see at all.
http://slashdot.org/~MobyDisk/comments
If I click on the post "Re:How to train: yaay! Tue Jan 25, '11 03:42 PM" I see nothing.
I feel like I am being stalked. Also, too much white. Overall, re-design looks and works great.
Well I'm using SeaMonkey and it looks like crap. Text is chopped off in many places. Pop-ups are too large and the screen position reverts to the top when you exit. So overall many bugs for no practical benefit I can see.
Well, I've been looking for an excuse to stop using slashdot.... it's the same bullshit over and over, and the few gems that do crop up have gotten so rare that trawling through the shit spewed by consumer-capitalist apologists is just too much.
I do not use javascript, and will not spend any effort on making this site work without it. I discovered with D2 that if you have D2 on in you prefs, set the threshold to -1, and use /. without JS enabled in the browser, you get a better experience than D1 in one way - all the comments load on 1 page. But without JS you couldn't mod, nor look at mod histories, without opening the comment in another tab and allowing JS temporarily.
What I got on the /. homepage just was a huge white position:fixed box thing floating over the content, blocking most of it. Presumably that box is hidden when JS is on, but I am not going to fight with another site that is trying to be a "web application" just for.... fuck knows why. Bandwagon jumping, I'd say. Perhaps /. think they can get 500mill out of Goldman too, if only they appeared "trendier"?
I've got 1 mod point, I'm gonna go mod taco a troll or something, and that's it.
Car analogies break down.
This new layout marginalises the black community. Otherwise its pretty dope.
Of all the redesigns this is by far my favorite. Very nice. Writing this from my iPad everything seems to be working perfectly. Color me impressed.
Can I have a simple text based version please?
I don't mind the floating sidebar since that space was always blank anyway, but the top panel should at least have the option of a scrolling position. As a temporary fix, I've done that in Stylish as suggested by an earlier comment, though things do look a bit odd with the site badge and search area failing to float with the rest of the items on the left.
There are inconsistent fonts; the site is sans-serif everywhere but the textarea, the floating header, and box titles (article, slashboxes, user box, etc), which are all serif. I'm not sure if that's an aesthetic choice or an accident, but it looks better (to me) when I force it all to sans-serif.
I think I preferred the "Reply to this" and "Parent" links as buttons.
Please, please implement P as an Access Key for comment preview (like mediawiki/wikipedia, SHIFT+ALT+P or ALT+P or CTRL+P depending on browser), that would be soooo useful. S for save would be useful too, but I would understand its absence. It's easy previewing that I care about.
The close button on dialogs (and likely other JS clickables) link to "#" while performing the real activity in an onClick or the likes ... this is fine, but its javascript should return false so the page history doesn't get an extra entry.
Final note: update your help pages. Last I looked, the docs on D2 and M2 were outdated and karma's portions make no reference to achievements (K2?). Revisiting those docs now, it appears the D2 FAQ items are more up to date than I had recalled, but they do not appear to address D3 or whatever this redesign is called. This /. article should probably be referenced in that FAQ as a possible source of additional information.
Use my userscript to add story images to Slashdot. There's no going back.
I would like the option to load comments 250+ at the top of the comment section, not below. Otherwise, I like it.
1. Pacific Time Zone / Daylight Savings Time doesn't seem to save.
2. Setting 800 pixels width in Mozilla's SeaMonkey v2.0.11 web browser shows a horizontal scroll bar. I even tried small screen setting, but that did not help. :(
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
So now, in addition to bearing the useless "story" tag, every story will be tagged "slashdot" as well? That's not good. Kill 'em both. I like the member-supplied hive mind tags, the auto tags are just clutter.
Other than that, I don't see anything to get my panties in a wad about... yet.
(p.s. It still takes way too long to preview a post though, nothing worse than before)
I find it a subtle, tasteful improvement. There's just enough change to be fresh without losing its brand or feel. Also I find it more spacious and cleaner.
Cheers on the redesign!
.sigs are for post^Hers.
I'm afraid I'll go snowblind....
Maybe instead you could have used the money you spent on the redesign to hire some editors that, you know, edit? Just sayin'
'The tyrant will always find pretext for his tyranny.' - Aesop's Fables
OK.....as long as I don't have to log in via Facebook or Yahoo!.....Space.dot.com started doing this recently, and NOBODY's posting because of this (including me, a long-time poster there). Great security risk, AFAIK.......
Nice job.
What the heck OS are you using? If it's linux, have you tried Crunchbang?
Oh, and forget about redesign... where is my app for Android?
Fool me once...
I crush the left hand side of the screen with my mighty two fingers, I thought Geocities site designs went out with Web 2.0?
Blllalaaaaahahahahahaaaaahaahaah
RUBBISH!
Goddamit, the last one sucked and now this, I think i give up on slashdot.
...in the comments section. I'm sure you guys will eventually get it sorted out. Try it on Chrome on Ubuntu 10.10. Enjoy.
The diversity and expression of human opinion is essential to human survival.
Check out the password reset form in Chrome on a Mac - it's not rendering properly.
It does work, the theme is off.
1)There is too much padding within each comment, especially when paired with the margins around them. I see so much less content on my screen now. It makes the page look empty. It's like a ghost of a site.
2) The top of the page, with the story, looks unfinished. There's the story text, then all the meta data - comments, share, similar stories - is thrown underneath it in blocks of text that look unformatted. They're all very short, leaving tons of space to the right. Don't put 'post a comment' on a new line. Don't put the tags themselves on a new line. Whatever is going on with recommend stories is also not good. I'm seeing exactly this:
"You may also like to read,
Submission: Placeholder"
Why the comma? Why the linebreak?
3) The grey text in the footer is hard to read. Usually footers are not important, but you put the fortune there. The lack of any separation bar or underlines makes your footer menu look like a jumble of text, too, not links. Space it out, add a delimiter, or underline them.. you have to distinguish them from regular text *somehow*.
4) The centered fortune at the bottom is weird. Mine is currently "You will be run over by a bus". No author, just centered, at the bottom of the page, in large, grey font. It's weird. I love the fortunes, and maybe this particular one is the problem, but with it floating in space like that so close to the copyright, it makes it seem like it's a quote from Slashdot, like Slashdot agrees with the sentiments. (I'm sure in this case, Slashdot does.)
Is there a reason the "classic" index option is no longer available? I guess I hate change, but I've been using the classic index for 10+ years since it was a lot cleaner and simpler. Can you please allow those of us who prefer the old/classic index to turn that option back on? Technically you already have the options available so please allow us users to turn them back on (or off).
Also hitting submit for some of the Options doesn't do anything. I keep trying to fix my timezone and it doesn't change.
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Please set a maximum width. Everything is now way, way too stretched out.
There used to be a bug with Chrome where it would kill a CPU for a bit just by expanding comments, scrolling, etc. It's now solid on this page, notebook is getting really hot. Not sure if it is a Chrome bug or Slashdot bug, but I haven't seen this recently on any page other than Flash content.
I really like the smaller one better. I always browse at -1 to get the good comments anyway, but the slider didn't operate well on some OSes/browsers.
Cleaner design is nice; I'm tempted to agree with the 'whitespace' arguments, but then again, I prefer whitespace to busy UIs.
Good job!
I don't want to open a story with 2 comments.
The reason we subjugate ourselves to law is to better procure justice. If law does not accomplish this purpose then it m
That preferences page still works and slashdot is usable again. Thank you :D
Also, I've said it before and will say it again: please leave D1 available as an option for those of us who do not feel at ease with the new discussion system and thank you, dear slashdot developers, for spending your time on our good, old-fashioned and trusted D1 keeping it somewhat bug free and usable across all those changes that /. has gone through in recent years. It's greatly appreciated and one of the reasons I vote with my wallet and subscribe to this site.
:/- spoon(_).
I like it better when it was bigger than anything else up there.
front page looks scrambled on native wp7 browser.
And when I enlarge the text enough to read it I need to scroll just to read a single story.
I paid a lot for my monitor. Don't appreciate anyone who wastes that space.
...omphaloskepsis often...
I was just beginning to figure them out...
Seriously, they were actually useful. There was no explanation for them, but it allowed me to more easily peruse the goodies in the firehose. I think it also affected metamoderation, but I was never terribly successful at playing with it there. Colors also gave clues about whether a submission was close to acceptance or rejection, though it measured popularity rather than a direct correlation to acceptance since stories are chosen by human admins (a blue story could be accepted while a red story gets rejected).
If you do return them, please say something about them in the FAQ, they were confusing.
Along the lines of colors (but not the color thresholds), I assume colored subsections will return shortly. I always thought those were a nice touch, especially the green circuit board background used in tech.slashdot.org.
Use my userscript to add story images to Slashdot. There's no going back.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Using a browser's find-in-page feature (Ctrl+F) still breaks the layout. I recommend making the entire grey area a hit target for expanding a comment.
Otherwise, I'm mostly fine with it, but have two more minor criticisms:
1. I couldn't find "More Comments" at first -- I'd consider putting them in the same place as all the other comment controls, below the story but above the comments. Or give logged in users the option to always load all comments. I know the performance sucks but I don't like dealing with truncated comments.
2. I can't see the full expanded threads unless I lower my abbreviation threshold to 0. That's something I liked about the previous one. I get that it sucked in that it was difficult to figure out when you didn't have all comments loaded if you had thresholds hiding comments or there were more than 250 loaded, but I could otherwise understand up until the thread got so long that it did the flat listing. Part of what makes me look at a comment is not just the moderation but the number of comments it attracted.
Do they work now without entering some obscure chars?
Can I just press the Enter key now?
OOOOOooooo
I'm a sucker for minimalist design. I would just prefer a better roll-over for the links in the top menu (like underlining the text for a background change) and the static menu makes my netbook chug when scrolling. But maybe Firefox 4 will help with this. Maybe not?
Once you start despising the jerks, you become one.
I feel like my dad... Font is too small for iPods. I hate magnifying.
Before you used to be able to log in as you posted a reply, you'd supply login credentials along with the reply materials. So you could come across a message to which you'd like to reply, and do so, no problem. Now, you come across a message, your only real option is this: Press the log in link which takes you to a different page and then supply your credentials, and when it logs you in, it takes you back to the main page! Now, good luck finding the comment again. Usually I don't even bother any more, so I rarely reply to anything.
When I go to my Messages (messages.pl?op=list), it shows my messages like before, but the links to individual messages are broken. I click the link, and I'm not looking at my comment, or I'm not looking at the reply to my comment. I'm looking at some other comment in the same discussion.
The redesign, though, is fine. I agree that there's a bit too much space between everything, but the whole look is nice.
Digg's redesign moved me away from the site, and I went to reddit.
Slashdot seems to have fallen from grace. Used to be plenty of news stories per day, now it's just a few. Some are even totally not relevant to "nerds". The comment system forces me to preview.
Maybe it's time to remove slashdot from my RSS feeds. The world has moved on, this site sadly has not.
but no IPv6?
Same problem, here. It's also sluggish. The only "cure" to the sidebar overlap, is to reduce the size of the text to "microdot" and use my jeweler's loupe to read it. :P
Seriously, WHY do so many sites default to a 5 point font size? The site should allow users to enlarge fonts, and the formatting adjusts... like it did when we had PLAIN HTML.
Willie...
Aaaaahhhhh that new ./ smell. tasty.
I am using latest version of Seamonkey and it is very heavy!!!
11 48 0 341M 149M ucond 2 0:20 30.57% seamonkey-bin
While you were upgrading, I attempted to visit Slashdot. I was greeting with a stark, all text website.
It was WAY better than this.
I like it. A lot. It feels though, like the Apple HIG bitchslapped someone over there at GeekNet.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
Got that down. Looks great.
Now how about functionality. Scroll more comments in, this "Get xxx more comments" button is bullshit.
How about UNICODE?
How about changing the moderation system to something that the world uses? Sorry, "insightful" doesn't mean jack, and what really is the vast difference between troll and flamebait that merits separate categories?
How about OAuth login, or some kind of SSO that actually appears on the Log In page?
The bottom of the page where it shows a funny quote usually now shows in huge typeface to me, "You will be run over by a bus.".
Now where the heck did that sig come from? I really don't need to see that.
I like the new threshold bar, it's great for us non-signed up people. The only problem is that right now it reads 5, 4, 3, 2, 2, 0, -1
Also, why can't I get more comments from the top of the page any more?
It's not too bad, I think I'll get use to it and learn to love it.
This is screwed up, dumbed down, horrible to read layout. Please just leave the old alone. I already was in a classic mode on it.
Scroll rolls under your stupid title bar also. I have to pull the page down some after a scroll to read what went under your stupid title bar. I encounter that more and more, I stay off sites that can't do fundamental things like display in a readable format and scroll. This fails.
It's up to you. If you think you'll get more Facebook type posters then maybe that's what you want. Classic slashdot was fine. It wasn't broken. This is.
rd
make themes, old and new. see how many people choose one or the other.
I'd prefer a CLI version of slashdot
is there one?
or if possible if it could be a papyrus or clay tablets.
Still works with text-mode browsers. Important for me, since I seldom browse with graphics, often by choice.
I bet this would look right at home on OS 9
Chris Sheppard
Its very nice! Once thing i noticed is that when I go into user preferences/settings there is what I presume should be a Slashdot logo that is only partially visible. Occurring in Chrome
I can finally figure out what the parent posts are without clicking a hyperlink!
mod me down,
you're prolly a clown,
won't remove my frown,
this new design is GAY.
Someone PLEASE PUT down the crack pipe and restore Slashdot's former look!
At least in Chrome, when I Ctrl-+ (or Command +) the page (at 1280x1024), it grows horizontally. This means I now have to scroll left and right to read the page, just because I don't like my text tiny. I don't know exactly what's causing that, I assume it's the headers? The page should be reflowing, it shouldn't care about my font size.
Actually the left side bar has a white background and is overlapping the content area. Elementary error, I expect it will be fixed within the week. But yeah, annoying!
All I know is that I still have my usual 5 moderation points and no matter how many comments I do moderation on the comments' scores don't change and I still have 5 points. This has happens every time I get moderation points, and it doesn't matte if I use Firefox or IE, same result. Is moderation a big prank? Does anybody else have this problem?
Looks like I'm not the only one who noticed this, but due to various other UI bugs, I can't read people's full comments. Anyhow, using slashdot is making my browser (Safari) burn massive CPU cycles. Probably some timed event that fires off WAY too often.
It seems like the obvious interface choice
Cheers,
I don't like it. It was not broken.
Does the browser window really have to be so wide? I get horizontal scrollbars using my normal window size, which is quite annoying.
Also, please add Unicode & SSL support!
/MC
100% CPU usage, and out of control memory consumption.
Of course, I do prefer Chrome, but can't use it at work.
Is this redesign coming from The Man, to stop me from reading /. at work?
I have a laptop with KDE 4.4; that version works mostly, but there are kinks they still haven't worked out. At home I still use KDE 3.5 because it still works very nicely without KDE 4's shiny-but-not-quite-right glitziness. The trouble is that Konqueror 3.5 shows its age. Slashdot is a train wreck on Konqueror 3.5. The background is grey, the text is all left-justified in the browser window with a 12-pixel margin, and the left floater bar hovers smack dab over the text. I commented earlier on Arora: the display is much nicer mainly because the floaters scroll out of view. It all work fine (I guess that's what it is supposed to be) in Konqueror 4.4.
Whatever happened to HTML degrading gracefully for older browsers?
Haven't you heard about that idiocy? The WHATWG group, which formed because of the parties' impatience with the W3C standards process, rushed through a new standard for HTML. They've adopted the addle-headed position that HTML standards don't need version numbers becase no browser ever implements the whole standard correctly. What they will accomplish instead is to push everybody into the chaotic wind. Good luck if you don't use the latest browser! You'll have to upgrade just about continually because the standards process is a "living standard". I want to say "Run away!! It's alive!"
Strange, I don't see this "Fixed position" stuff everyone is complaining about.
On the other hand ... it doesn't adjust to the width of my tab. I don't use the full width of my browser window for pages (my bookmarks are on the left) nor do I use the full screen for my browser, so my tab is only about 800 pixels wide. If I scroll enough so I can't see the left bar, then I can read all of a comment - otherwise I lose part of it off the right side. I'd hate to try and view it on one of those devices that only starts out with 800 pixels of screen to begin with ...
Between that and the "too much white", count me as a thumbs down.
Slashdot no-longer looks like a car crash by reverting to essentially the level of site complexity they had in 2006 (or, at least, disguising the "improvements" more effectively). Will be interesting to see if this stems or reverses the exodus of readers /. has experienced over the past half-decade.
This screenshot clearly shows the problem.
There is way too much whitespace including a single rectangle of pure
whitespace that takes up a full 30% of the rendered window!
THANK GOD I moved to RSS for keeping up with /., the new UI blows, I can't find an easy way to expand all the stories on the index. Who the thought it would be intelligent to collapse certain stories so you have to click on the titles and reload the page to read themt? I mean, if it was really long, then cut it off and put in a "read more after the 'jump'" link. The reason I stayed with the old design was to read all the stories and decide if I wanted to read comments. That and I could just scroll down the index without having to do a crap load of clicking.
Well, Google Reader to the rescue. No souped up CPU usage and crap JavaScript coding to slow my browser down.
Now, if someone can explain how to expand all the stories on the index page so that I can get that fixed, that'd be great. But until then, RSS only for me.
Enjoy! -Excalibur
in internet explorer 6, wich is my only option at work... I had to type this on my android phone. So no more lunchtime slashdot browsing for me...
Try it! Library of Babel
Hopefully you're actually reading these, I agree mostly with the other people who say too much white space and lack of contract (could use some black lines somewhere, i dunno, it just feels bland). Biggest thing I've noticed is link color.... on my dell laptop which is "color calibrated" with an external spyder the light blue of the links do NOT stand out against the gray of the text. The first story I tried to read I had difficulty finding the link in the text until I knew what to look for.
No seriously. I love this. I'm sure there are still plenty of glitches and modifications, but you guys really did a fantastic job here. I use Slashdot from time to time, but I never did figure out how to navigate through anything else besides the homepage (lol, meta-moderating wut?) At least for me, it seems much more user-friendly. I'm not sure how the older users feel, but hey, who cares? They're almost dead anyways. :D
I'm not fond of how each bit below the summary has its own line with surrounding whitespace. Concatenate that into one or two lines so that I don't have to scroll down as much to start reading the comments.
Also, the navbar on the left bleeds over when I set the browser window to 1024x768. Would prefer to see the site scale gracefully down to 840x1050, so that I can have two windows open side-by side on a standard 22" monitor.
I'm not terribly fond of the gray border around the edges either; it's just wasted space.
Would prefer a white-on-black display option for low-light viewing; having to monkey with style-sheets to get something consistent is a pain.
As others have mentioned, comment preview is very slow, though it speeds up somewhat for subsequent edits to the comment before submitting.
"We dwell within a silent country, beyond the reach of time and death" -Nothing Sophotech, The Golden Transcendence
is the slashdot logo at the top of the page supposed to disappear once the page loads? confusing...
are the poll question radio buttons and their text labels supposed to each be on separate lines? pretty dumb...
is there supposed to be a big ol horizontal scroll bar across the bottom of the page? who didn't catch that one...
otherwise i haven't really used it enough to know what I like about it-- but those are three rather glaring problems on my browser right off the bat.
Could you go back to 1999? That design was fine. Your bubbly web2.0 design sucks, especially how it jumps after reaching the bottom.
If anything keep it lynx friendly, that is the best way to view this site anyway.
Man i hate this bubbly, bloated, web 2.0 bullshit.
Certainly feels better but I think some of these page elements have too much padding, feels like wasted space.
Good stuff.
It is noticeably faster! Also, it works better on my nexus s.
Lots of people noting excessive white space. They may have a point, but not a very important one. They'll probably adjust to it in a day or so.
Lurking at the bottom of the gravity well, getting old
I like the new design very much. The only thing I don't like is a majority of the comments are collapsed. One of the best parts about /. is reading all of the intelligent and witty comments. The real value in this site is the intellectual level of it's patrons, seriously. I like reading what everyone thinks about DOCSIS, network administration, etc... This site isn't for everyday people, it's for geeks, and as such I want to see things from a variety of viewpoints. The new design takes up too much of my time to really enjoy others opinions. Because of whatever changes were made (I could find out but don't care to) the site is actually much slower loading for me.
To summarize: It's slower and harder to use but looks better. Sacrificing content and performance for aesthetics... doesn't take a genius to see how this will affect the daily visitors.
Anyone have any clues to fixing this mess.
My front page has all the articles in the same far right column as the other boxes. So I have 80 % white screen and everyhting else thrown in the last 20%.
Huh. Been on the intartubes since before commercial use was permitted, and I never knew the space bar scrolled a web browser... Random factoids like this are why /. still rocks. Thank you, kind sir.
Thank you for remaining functionally consistent. I had to stop using Digg after THEIR last upgrade. This is nice, no major quibbles.
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just to know that you are mine.
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If autoscrolling is enabled in Firefox, middle clicking on pretty much any page in Slashdot makes the whole browser freeze for a while, to the point where my Ubuntu thinks Firefox is unresponsive and "darkens" the window. The scrolling feature still seems to scroll the page in the background while the browser chokes.
Not really sure what this is related to, I have never seen this behavior before.
Other than that and the "too much whitespace" issues, I think this change is not THAT bad. Just takes some getting used to, like always.
If you've truly separated your stuff out that much, give us the option to get an entirely text only slashdot - layout, no graphics.
Previous Low BW option guy here.
It still needs some tweaks, but I've always been a fan of the plain and simple look.
Whoa there dude! Check your keyboard, somebody might have slipped you a Dvorak.
This layout works a lot better on my Samsung Galaxy Tab. I'm thinking Tablets must have been part of some of the design choices.
Overall it's very pretty, a good take on the current design trends while still remaining Slashdot - the shapes are largely the same, but it's been generally lightened up. I like it!
I might suggest either a slightly heavier font choice, changing the body copy to a paler grey, or making the background a very pale grey; it's a little too contrasty for easy reading right now IMHO.
It'd also be nice to see a maximum column width but I know most nerds still seem to scream bloody murder if text doesn't use every precious pixel of their widescreen monitor when they maximize their browser window. Having a nice bit of leading between the lines is very much appreciated; it makes it a lot easier to read everything!
egypt urnash minimal art.
Why do you waste my screen space and forcing me to scroll excessively! It is too bright as well. I greatly prefer the old design. Any way i can choose to use the old design instead of this crap?
Dissapoint!
I like the simple layout though, might make me actually read the site once in a while instead of just subscribing to the RSS feed.
en breve:
way too much VERTICAL white space = please tighten up the vertical spacing by at least 50%
the left sidebar is way too sterile and unattractive = needs better hover / highlighting and styling - please put on your thinking cap, visit the web-i-verse and derive something logically beautiful; that can be my only hint.
everything else is awesome = much faster 'web 2 ... OH!' experience.
She blinded me with science, she tricked me with technology. ~ Thomas Dolby
All in all, the look is good but there are some minor tweeks the new slashdot could use:
1. Not enough contrast in the links in stories for them to be easily visible. That makes a big difference to old guys with deteriotating eyesight (like me).
2. No way for a story submitter to attach a link or email address to his username when he/she submits a story.
3. The story box is too small when making a story submission and makes it difficult to submit stories from an ipad.
4. When I look at popular in the firehose, I don't see the colors indicating their popularity anymore. This was really useful.
5. Please bring back the story rejected/accepted page that used to show up when you submitted a story.
6. The good - that you have retained the ability from the classic view to look at stories nested, flat, back to front etc.
...and low-contrast text on white.
Well they could introduce the blink tag to compensate.
This is the biggest problem I have with the redesign. There's enough CSS in here that I can fix it with Stylish - and have to some degree. But now if I leave a Slashdot tab up, especially if I go work in another tab and forget it, it will still be eating a large chunk of my CPU.
(T>t && O(n)--) == sqrt(666)
Won't render correctly on firefox, chrome nor IE.
The fixed left hand side gutter cuts into the content, so I miss the text on the edge of the content pane.
Sorry, I didn't find any comment that describes how to actually remove the sidebar, and I shudder at the thought that there actually isn't one (a way to do it).
So, in the hope that there is a way to remove that annoying thing... how would I go about it?
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
Also, has anybody noticed that the italics no longer works anymore?
Test?
It doesn't, at least in preview.... How the hell can something so basic as italics be broken?
Quotes, bold, and links seem to be fine, though, so perhaps its to force knuckleheads like me to use quote instead of italics... fat chance.
A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -edward abbey
A long handle name like mine causes the left column to spread over the left edge of the central column. Might want to adjust that.
have anybody done any QA and tried the mobile pages with a iphone or android?
Smaller font please, I don't want to read one story at a time...
My screen is 720 pixels wide (and 1280 pixels tall). I have to lower my text zoom to 80% to get the front page to fit on one screen. At 100% the normal view is too wide. At 120% it switches to the no-sidebar view, but it doesn't shrink back down. WTF?
sux
Serious usability issue Regarding the new live code:
;)
I often only have a chance to read slashdot on the weekends (such as during periods of crunch-time at work, etc). And I'd made the habit of always visiting it in the daily view mode to read where I'd left off due to being otherwise busy: i.e.
http://slashdot.org/index.pl?issue=20110125
(To view the stories of jan 25 2011, for example)
Or, say, I missed the first week of december.. and now want to finally get around to skimming back over what I'd missed... It used to be I could immediately jump to the relevant pages of daily postings with ease. This increasingly common trend on so many sites towards nothing more than a linear "Many More" button, with no other option for directly jumping forwards and backwards to some specific point in the past, is so -indescribably- annoying. (Reddit did this 4-5 months or so ago, and I spend far less time there as a result). It's a major loss of power-user functionality to only be able to access the most recent stories (or n-1, n-2, n-...) without being able to jump around arbitrarily in the timeline of previous posts.
PLEASE FIX THIS, or provide similar functionality!!! I'm begging you. Seriously.
Don't take away my previously-missed-slashdot-goodness.
Yours truly, a long and devoted slashdot user, from the days when karma was a number, and not merely excellent
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Not at all functional, either on my Epic or on Iceweasel, the desktop browser I use. Had to fire up an alternate browser just to post this. Otherwise the sections display is helpfully placed over the Submit comment button as well as obstructing the comments, the masthead appears to float to cover whichever comment I'm reading. Performance is hideous. Not at all delightful.
How do we turn this off?
Help stamp out iliturcy.
meh
Broke RSS used to be able to click on a comment in google reader and expand it but no longer.
Also quicker now that some of the "kludge" of V2 appears to have been binned.
Some nice new features added, and basic operation seems more intuitive.
Good job, guys and gals!
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Tomas
thinks it looks great (:
g0t b33r?
Ugh, site got /.-ed anyone have a link to the cached version?
You're linking the facebook and twitter tracking icons, asshats.
Have they replaced the Bill Gates borg icon with one of Ballmer throwing a chair yet?
Really. No shit. This is kudos from the traditional whiney, anti-Javascript, anti-cookies get-off-my-lawn type.
I repeat: well done.
I know that IE is not popular here. And that IE 9 is in beta. But you can NOT read the site using IE 9. Can not even tell what articles are on the front page.
Under Chrome, IE 8 the site looks like early alpha software. Letters are truncated. Input boxes are off the edges. All sorts of ugly.
OK under firefox only.
Why does this page have 689 comments or 50 comments?
>Seriously, WHY do so many sites default to a 5 point font size? The site should allow users to enlarge fonts, and the formatting adjusts... like it did when we had PLAIN HTML.
Because they only see the pixels, not the whole picture...
When you click on a comment and scroll to the bottom of the page, you see " © 201, Geeknet " -- yes, that year is "201". Though, at the bottom of the main page you see the appropriate "© 2011, Geeknet"
So, does Taco feed our comments, one by one, into a time machine that drops the ones column of the year, and all of our comments end up in the far distant past? Or, does Taco age only ~1/10 of a year for our one year, and as such is he storing and copyrighting the comments page in what is for him the present? The mind reels...
Well, all is cool but please underline the links in the extract, just like they are in the comments. I have a hard time finding the links, the colors are too close.
Definitely a big improvement. But maybe it would be nice to see Slashdot innovate in terms of the GUI? It seems strange that a tech site plays catchup and is always a few years behind the curve.
It feels quite a bit smoother and somewhat faster too. Nice job.
I hope this design will be better than 2.0. First impression is not too good.. 2.0 brought page loading times up and I had to buy a new computer to read slashdot (!!). And even on the new comp., if I chose to receive "Many" comments, the pages loaded real slow in FF3.5. My suggestions: minimal javascript, dialogs etc. but maximze the utilization of simple & pure HTML+CSS, or at least give the users ability to choose so.
Whats the deal with the gaps? Makes it look empty and not newzy
I know slashdot's standards have dropped, but at least provide a link to TFA in the summary.
I have a quad core i7 with 4GB of RAM running Chrome. Browsing comments is slow. What gives?
Now with 40% less CowboyNeal by area.
I wonder if they were thinking tablets with this new design? All the navigation and buttons are bigger.
Although the nested comments are probably too small to expand comfortably with your fingers...
Well, it sure doesn't render worth a damn in my preferred browser (FF) and it eats so much CPU as to nearly freeze my computer. What's with all the scripts? Only renders correctly in Chrome, for me, and yet Chrome has so many functionality & layout design oddnesses that I hate to use it for anything other than utter necessity.
So. Why do website such as slashdot need periodic redesigns? I certainly see nothing that was absolutely necessary. And now the pages look like sh!t.
settings still won't save properly and the layout won't change to how I want it.
Change it back!!!
The comments pages use 50% of my CPU-time continuously on my C2D 3GHz. Slashdot is definitely no longer usable on any of my mobile devices...
I've never been a fan of full width paragraphs that stretches across the screen. I do appreciate flexible layout, which is good, but when paragraphs spans for more than the ideal length of 60-80 characters it becomes a pain to read when you try to follow the line then down to the next without missing.
As monitors are becoming increasingly larger the full width paragraphs, all too often seen on website, becomes more of a problem.
Looks really lovely and clean. Just a tad much whitespace scattered here and there. The new news icons are slick. V2's icons looked like cutouts from a magazine done by a serial killer.
Looks good on my desktop, but in longer threads like this, you have to scroll down to get more comments, then scroll down and get more comments. I liked the V1 that kept that, and the full/limited/hidden option on your screen at all times.
Slashdot launches clean-looking, inoffensive redesign. Everyone complains about the presence of white space.
What is it with Web2.0 that requires most of the page to be blank space?
Slick layout better then the previous one (which was a bit confusing) for sure.
CPU usage is retarded though, this is the first time I have my CPU fan rev up from view webpages.
14%-25% with nothing running but Chrome (v9.0.597.83; beta) on this one page in which I'm typing this comment.
Will go up to 50% (maxing one core) at times when scrolling and other stuff.
The "Options" button sometimes becomes unresponsive after a few uses.
Arggh! Will not be able to read /. from client sites! Doom!
Rgds
Damon
http://m.earth.org.uk/
how do i turn this back to the way it was before ..... this is fucking terrible.
Surprisingly, there's too little clutter. :P
That is insane. It spikes up to 50% CPU usage on my dual core machine when I am scrolling it. That is the kind of CPU use I normally see bad facebook apps use, for a text based site it is unacceptable. And if you open up a bunch of tabs it is even worse. I have six /. tabs open and Firefox is fully using one of my cores! I opened Minecraft and it uses less CPU (30-40%) then my normal /, usage.
At least the main page seems to be optimised and doesn't put Firefox on the top of the CPU use chart.
Are the site designers being paid by Intel/AMD or something?
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I doubt this will get seen as there are over 750 comments already, but please stop overriding the browser preference to underline links. The green link color blends in easily with the black normal text, making it easy to miss links when just scanning the page; I have my browser set to underline links for that reason, but it looks like you're overriding it.
Please don't.
Bravo!
Meh. Slashdot seems to have gotten progressively slower as my computers have increased in power. With this latest redesign things have now gotten unbearingly slow in Firefox on my laptop (even on my Core i7 PC it isn't entirely smooth, seriously, what the fuck?).
Please get rid of the floating menu and header crap, these always seem to cause slowdowns in rendering time and serve virtually no purpose.
Thank god faster and looks good, nice work guys.
Wow. I'm really surprised by the comments here. The redesign is a great improvement. (And Slashdot already stated that they're still tracking down some bugs, making further tweaks, etc.) The site is cleaner. Easier to read. Easier to navigate. More refined. But from reading the comments here . . . it's all attack, attack, attack. Upset about whitespace? Really?!
Re-design doubly so.
Please, revert it back as in Chrome it really sucks!
Maybe Computers will never be as intelligent as Humans.
For sure they won't ever become so stupid. [VR-1988]
I was sort of already looking for a new news site. I guess the time has come to find it.
floating bar on top, tons of whitespace, comment threads look fucked up, too bright, miss the sidebar on the right... peace, slashdot.
Can I please have a version of Slashdot similar to http://m.facebook.com/ that utilizes all the horizontal width of my screen (not more and not less) for the essential stuff, e.g. the comments, in any font size?
Pretty please?
'When the Going gets Weird, the Weird turn Pro.' - Hunter S. Thompson
Hi, Please make the Ads disabled checkbox go away, put it in my account settings, anywhere else because I can't view the main page at full width. I used to have story boxes go from left to right full width now they all only go to the right until they hit the "Ads disabled" and I get a /. main page with a big white,blank,sterp column on the right. Useless I tell you, useless.
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Out of curiosity - what particular oddball OS are you using that doesn't have a recent Firefox build?
Collapsed comments are dimmed too much. Before something would catch eye and I would expand and read it. Now slashdot is just a huge amount of white a grey blur and a few short messages in between.
But on my iPhone too the new theme is SLOW. Only since I got my iPhone 4 (having previously had a 3G) had I bothered with the full slashdot (as opposed to the text only version which I can no longer find) as it was too slow to load. Having just tried this new version on my iPhone I can't believe how slow it is. On a 1 year old macbook on RockMelt (which is just chrome really) => SLOW On my 1 year old Toshiba laptop on Opera => SLOW Oh dear :( Looks like I might be making a new text only version...
First, the theme specifies that inputs and text areas have a white background, but do not specify a font color. Since my default colors are light on dark, I cannot see what I type here. I have to type, highlight, read and type some more. I think this should be an easy fix.
Secondly, the absolutely positioned bar across the top takes up a lot of precious space on my netbook screen. None of that is useful stuff that you _have_ to have up there all the time either, If I wanted to login, I would have done it at the top of the page, not in the middle of reading.
Just my $.02.
It also overrides your screen width, so in small devices or resized windows you will only see the left half of Slashdot. Come on guys, is not the first decade of the XXIst century any longer. Haven't you hear of text reflow?
Wow look at al those comments... too much whitespace/ cannot turn of ajax/ warnings on validation/ yada yada... Slashdot is news for nerds, all nerds know how best to design a website and whatever will be released 80% will start bitching about function x and looks of part y. In other words it can never be good. I think it is, it looks fresh, it seems to perform smooth enough. Let me be part of the the 20% that sais: Good job slashdot, nice result of some hard work
I am seeing NO - ZERO stories showing up when I log in . When I am logged out the stories appear. Using OS X 10.6 and firefox 3.6.10. Turned off adblock and TACO - same result.
Great new design folks but I don't know if the "no content" concept will last.
----- In Your Cubicle No One Can Hear You Scream...
This
design
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annoying
Please don't use that much padding around the articles and basically everything on the webpage!
Where's the Facebook 'Like' button?
assignment != equality != identity
Seriously.. where the fuck can I turn this shit off?
Man write some fucking chrome app if you wanna play with JS and crap.. but bring back v1.0 ffs
-- All Gods were immortal.
-- S. Lem
they are gone...
It's probally just some weird setup on my machine but the get more comments and comment level functions either dont work at all or demand the whole bandwidth before they will and you have to turn off adblock. Windows 7 Firefox 3.6.13 , addblock 1.3.3
Why is slashdot now using HTML5 on a site that would work even better on HTML4? This just results in unnecessary CPU usage, not to mention alienating users with slower computers and older browsers.
You have to expand a collapsed comment to see who posted it. I didn't even realize I looked at the names before, but I miss it now.
I probably applied my own mental filter - when time runs low, I cut the AC's loose!
and less whitespace.
----- In Your Cubicle No One Can Hear You Scream...
I fly and train a lot. Before I fly I load 15 Slashdot stories to read on the plane/train. Now Slashdot consumes 26-35% CPU doing NOTHING, and will flatten my laptop battery before I get to my destination.
Too much whitespace
waste of space header and sidebar.
digg V4 all over again and we saw what happened to that site didn't we.
Did I mention the whitespace?
I prefer the previous layout because... 1. The page scrolled much more smoothly when it wasn't sectioned off, and the whole page scrolled as one. I think this is because it allows HW acceleration to work. 2. There is a button at the bottom of the page "Many More". I press it and get a circular busy type animation, then it goes back to showing "Many More". Nothing else seems to happen. 3. There are some collapsed articles, which show only the headlines. Yes I have been through all of the options tabs, and set everything to "Full Text", but there are still collapsed articles such as "Nvidia Unveils New Mid-Range GeForce Graphics Card". This will not show on my Android browser for example. 4. On the main page, it no longer shows how many comments there are, unless go into it by clicking on Read. Why? 5. The "Feedback" link doesn't work (hence I'm posting a comment instead). I can only dream as to why this would be. Over all I am really disappointed by the changes. I appreciate the effort put in to trying to improve things, but I can't help thinking they've over engineered it this time around. Please please deal with point No 3 so that it can be viewed properly on my Android phone again! (Using WinXP Pro SP3 32bit, Firefox 4 Beta 9, and Firefox 3.6). Regards, Toonie. PS. Is there a link available to the old layout still?
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
Looks like the links from your profile's "comment" page are busted. You cannot view your own comments in the thread to see what people replied to you.
But it's also slower. And somehow, the cleanliness of the design wouldn't suggest that. I think you're putting a wee bit too much overhead in your html.
Religion is what happens when nature strikes and groupthink goes wrong.
This is a really nice design!.
Congrats!, I like it.
I suppose as new code, It will have bugs. None soo far.
THANKS!
--Tei.
-Woof woof woof!
When you use search, it scrolls to the part of the page where a hit is found, but you see nothing because of that $#@! fixed-position top panel hiding it!
A new /. design *and* Duke Nukem Forever release date set!
It looks terrible with a big fonts.
Yup, same here. Using Firefox 3.6.13 on Linux and CPU usage jumps to ~70% while having a single tab opened with this slashdot discussion. WHILE IDLE, after loading the page. What's up with that??
Front slashdot page keeps it at about 15% CPU.
Seriously Slashdot? 70% CPU just for having a page open?? I've gone through all the /. interface iterations (Including OMG ponies! which this new layout actually makes me miss) and got used to every one. But having the CPU usage equivalent of a kernel compilation just by having the browser sitting idle while I read a discussion is kind of a showstopper to me.
Running on dual core i3 @2.40 GHz, FYI.
> The only "cure" to the sidebar overlap, is to reduce the size of the text to "microdot" and use my jeweler's loupe to read it. :P
I installed Element Hiding Helper addon to my Adblock Plus, and killed the sidebar altogether. Never used it even once, anyway.
Oy, what happened to "yesterday's news"? I can't filter by date any more?
WTF, SlashDot?!!
I loaded up tabs with the stories that interested me, and only had a fraction of the comments visible! One page said 5 full, yet only showed 2!
The font is horrible, too small. I tried Ctrl-+ to bump it up a notch and the page spilled outwards with a horiz scroll bar - yuck
It's too white, too much light in my face like being interrogated.
Give us an option for the old look, PLEASE!!
And typing this was like wading through fudge, with a second of lag!!
What a steaming heap of fail!!!
Web 2.0 is a marketing buzz word.
What slashdot did, is to sugarcoat the raw interface with lots, lots of cool javascript.
Unless you are against open standard...
All of the always-on-top floating top and side bars almost completely block all the actual content. It's pretty much preventing me from doing anything useful on the trips to/from work each day. Now I actually notice how bad public transport really is...
It feels snappier on an iPhone now.
Dennis Onstenk
The slider where you can select what scores should be shown as full, abbreviated or hidden has a little bug/typo. The score track goes 5 4 3 2 2 0 -1 making me wonder what happens with comments with a score of 1.
Unreadable on Konqi 3.5.10 see: http://www.tampascanner.info/slashdot_useless.jpg After about 2-3 minutes got a ECMAScript taking too long error. Post comment does not work Moderation still doesn't work in Konqi. So I won't be able to use the site. had to use Android to post this and it was SLOOOOOOOOOOWWWW. Worse than the last upgrade.
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The Virtual Bookcase: book reviews
...Yes, I'm shouting :(
The content is now as wide as the poll and ads and in the same place. i.e. a strip 1/8 of the page wide running down the right hand side.
is it too muych to test these things against more than the latest version of a browser? IT policy in corporates means a lot of people don't have them...
The new appearance is fine by me, better than the last version of slashdot (that I promptly reverted away from), and I assume everything I use is still working.
My only issues are the following items that now load with the main page:
cdn.optimizely.com/js/4215026.js
optimizely.appspot.com/tracking...
Which both appear to be third-party tracking widgets that add a delay to the page load. Google analytics I tolerate because they are moderately trustworthy. These other guys, not so much. And it is kinda surprising given the general warnings from the top on down about the perils of third party tracking you see so often on Slashdot.
I have always used the 'simple design', on any browser and any system as I do not see the need for useless clutter, graphics and such. /. but it omits the (for me) most important feature of having the option to throw all that flashy gimmicky floating stuck non-scrolling smooth rounded stuff out the window and just give me the text, thank you.
This new design looks better than the previous
Please, please, pretty please, bring back the 'simple' option - the option is there but it does not work.
--frank[at]unternet.org
Text is now unreadably small on 4th generation iPod Touch. The lines are actually longer than on my desktop browser. Previous mobile version was actually working.
first letter chopped in half - ff 3.6.13 @ 1920*1080. doesn't anybody check anything!?
This is terrible. 3 tabs are enough to spin the fans up on my MacBook Pro. Where's light mode gone?!
-Isaac
I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice. For Entertainment Purposes Only.
site now totally unusable... i'm posting largely by guessing and tabbing around to find the actual link since the entire layout is borked 99%
way to fuck up something that A) worked already. B)is plain fucking text.
even your captcha says you fucked up. : sorriest
it no longer works at all on my nokia e71 phone
The new redesign has obviously broken AvantSlash so in the next couple of days I'll evaluate the mobile version of Slashdot, determine if AvantSlash is still relevant and (if so) issue an update.
For people who are stuck on computers which aren't powerful enough or just want a clean reading experience (no posting or logging in, sorry) then this could be a better option for you.
Personally, I use it to read Slashdot on my HTC Desire and iPhone when I'm sitting on the tube or train.
http://www.fourteenminutes.com/code/avantslash/
Avantslash - View Slashdot cleanly on your mobile phone.
I work with a dev Mac - 4-core i7 / 2.93 GHz and 4Gb of Ram - and the site scrolls poorly. Bravo - a terrific accomplishment!
Not only do I dislike this shit, but I am repulsed by the new design. If I cannot switch to the classic view, I won't be coming to /. very often anymore. It just disagrees with me too much.
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
It says © 201, Geeknet
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The new design sets off the same warning bells that get alarmed when a page's CSS is broken or missing. This causes me to refresh and contemplate what happened before remembering that it just looks broken.
I think it looks ok-ish, but can you please condense it a bit? At the moment it looks like someone has grabbed hold of both ends and given it a hard tug.
Also it feels VERY laggy as many other people have commented (the post box is so laggy I typed most of these words entirely before they actually showed up on screen!).
But, without trying to shit on your hard work, I still prefer v1 to this or the previous version.
Today I was reading the news of 2010-12-10 (yeah, I have a lot to catch up with). When I clicked to get the news from 2010-12-11 I was redirected to today's news and for the life of me I cannot see how I can get back to that date using some on-screen control. I hope I have missed something because if this option is not available then I'm outta here. The "Many more" button link at the bottom of the page shows how you can get articles from a specific date but you have to type this yourself. And from there you can't move to the previous or next date without retyping the url. That's not right surely...
nice design - but it sucks, because for years, i could read /. just fine on my iphone.. but now i cant -- all the text has become microscopic. you have broken what was working just fine -- the wider columns make the text extremely tiny and hard to read.
no -- i do not want a mobile version of slashdot, because then i cant pinch-zoom images any more. just give us the old font size/column widths back.
pleeeeaze
jp
Would anybody care to comment, why this story is tagged 'python'? Also I like the general idea of the new layout, but must agree with previous commenters, that there is far too much white space around. dark matter ftw ;-)
fell more speed on this new layout/design.
Ok, this is really pissing me off. Please put the comment system back to how it was.
Clicking 'Get more comments' gets me a random number of comments but never very many (what the hell is the logic behind this thing?). If there are 800 comments not shown then give me 400 more or something.
Clicking a post and then going back in my browser puts me back to having all the comments hidden. I then have to click the damn button 300 times again.
This:
should come out like the Russian for tractor
It didn't
HTML is a markup language and should be used for semantic meaning rather than presentation. The <i> and <b> tags have no semantic meaning, they are purely for presentation. While <i> and <b> are not technically deprecated (and should not have been disabled by slashdot) you should be using <em> and <strong>instead.
Test: this should be emphasised
Test: this should be strong
Further discussion on the subject
Brain surgery - it's not rocket science!
Running Firefox 3.6.13, I use control-mousewheel to scale up the small text, and the left-menu disappears completely. Accessible ? Not at all.
In terms of usability, I'm very annoyed by that left menu bar taking up prime real estate, since most of the time it's never used. If you're going to have one, stick at it the top with that other abomination, the fixed header bar. Which I will also never use, and which is therefore also consuming prime real estate.
So overall, I see 3 major changes: stupid menu bar, stupid header bar, and stupid whitespace for no sensible reason at all. What gives? Somebody have a brain fart?
The ads take up half the screen. Judging by CPU usage comments, I assume reading /. on my phone will be extra taxing on the battery now.
Who came up with this? The guys who made Unity? (take a look at Ubuntu Netbook Remix 10.10) Slow, buggy, ugly.
This trend is getting really old. Desperation for change is almost never a good thing.
I come for the commentary. The discussions are harder to follow, un-rated posts flow by in a blurry grey-on-grey mass, deeply-nested comments are not visible. Usability fail.
Using ctrl-F to search the page in firefox just seemly causes the page to goto a seemingly random location as you type - presumably its searching the hidden comments for some reason
If your browser window is not maximized, the top and sidebars will stop following your scroll. At least it does for me, on WinXP with Chrome.
Trust me, kids; don't drink and post.
That would be Kombucha.
I like the new redesign. I just wish that you would leave my font and size preferences alone. I set my display DPI to get the best looking font shapes for my main task, which is programming. At this DPI (100, by the way), the slashdot physical font size is small and I have to compensate by setting the browser base font size to 16 or bigger. This apparently doesn't work any longer.
Same for me. Unusable because I have Zoom text only enabled (which is a MUST).
Nicely done with comments, much less confusing... but I still think there is too much wasted space with gaps between posts.
This is a major blow to my general feeling of security. I oppose changes in general, and changes to Slashdot in particular. Otherwise, New Slashdot is great!
Yikes! You're right.
Just idling one Firefox window on this page shows the process at about 13% CPU usage. No other browsers open, not even an animated ad this time.
I open lots of Slashdot stories as tabs and get to reading them when I get to them. I guess I'll have to stop that.
Bad:
I like it and it works on both opera mobile & text based browsers.
My first impression was "clean design".
But I believe that no everybody likes it.
Isn't possible to give some theme selection functionality ?
Of course it should be already somehow possible to use own css.
This is a tech-oriented site. Do you have any idea how many of us work in the XML world for a living? If you're going to go for cheap parlor tricks like HTML 5, at least go with the XHTML variety. You can have my well-formedness and validity when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers.
The Design, visually, like all other of the previous sites have always been what I considered to be quite pro, Though I would wish if anything I could use the older site layout. My reason is that there is a fundamental issue in that if you really need all those web02 features and ajax cruft, just so that you can have prettier scroll animations and static side bars you trade off a massive amount of CPU horses via your browser. Multiply that by the amount of your readers and you've used enough power to light up a small country. Just typing this post has increased the temp of my laptop but about 5%. Can people really consider that really acceptable ?
I have morals, If you dont like them, I have other ones.
Browsing with larger fonts the left panel crops portions of the central panel. Impossible to use. Please, give an option of using old design.
My EYES! They're bleeding! AAAAAGGGHHHHHH!
Seriously, I felt like I was stabbed in the eyes when the page loaded - can't you tone it down a little? Layout and all is fine otherwise.
I hate that fixed crap things on the top and on the side of the page. Please make them optional.
Otherwise the look is really good. Thank you.
"I love my job, but I hate talking to people like you" (Freddie Mercury)
The menu of the left side floats and overlaps the stories, making them hard to read. Latest FF.
"We have an A-Bomb...what more do you want, mermaids?" --I.I. Rabi, speaking in defense of Robert Oppenheimer
looks good on ubuntu 10.04 and opera 11.00
Using large 120 DPI fonts under Windows causes the static left menu to overlap the central text area, making it unreadable.
Not very impressive - testing under different font DPI settings is surely as important as testing under different browsers or OS's.
Page takes much longer to load, and the design is rather juvenile. It reminds me of Facebook.
The fixed menus are an eyesore and distract while scrolling. Font scaling is broken, making the site unusable for the vision-impaired.
My usability guy is vomiting in the corner as we speak.
The scrolling is painfully slow (read unusable), I'm using firefox, on linux, on a 6 year old laptop, it used to be fine.
Bitter and twisted, DON'T ever FORGET the TWISTED
I wondered what was going on with the cooling fan... then I read your post and did some experimenting.
It would appear that anyone within earshot (like my boss) can now hear how many Slashdot tabs I have open. Nice work, Slashdot!
when enlarging police the left colums hides the text
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Slashdot was my first homepage ten years ago. I was in middle school. So it is terribly depressing that I am being forced away by the site's shift away from functionality. Sure, on my primary monitor the extra gaps in text is merely obnoxious, the white oceans on the right and left of the content is baffling, and the floating toolbar is just confusing, but on my netbook they manage to cut my vertical viewing space down to a dozen lines of text and the content only takes up a third of the horizontal space due to the wastefulness! I will wait a few days. Enough people here have decent web design sense, so someone can write a more passionate, more compelling argument against the mistakes in this design. I can only hope that their words make it through to the persons who have made this poor decision, because if they do not, I have to regrettable task of finding a useful homepage and somewhere that delivers the kind of news that I care about.
I don't use those controls, when I'm reading Slashdot - the comments are what matters to me the most.
I accidentally noticed that if I zoom in with Opera, the layout transforms into what I need: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3258602/slashdot-opera-zoom.png
The bars become invisible, the entire screen is used to display the text.
Can we keep the old icons for story topics?
The saddest poem
I love the new Look and Feel, it is very pleasing and soothing, and does not anger me in ways the old design did for no apparent reason. But I absolutely hate this new fixed-frame design. My laptop screen is 1280x800 and the links on the left go all the way to the bottom, so much in fact that I'm not sure if "storage" is the last link or not. I would like an option to disable this fixed area and just let the whole page scroll normally. Also, with the old slider on the left, it would float as I scrolled, and now it's all the way at the top. I don't want to have to scroll all the way back up when I'm balls-deep in some comments and suddenly want to readjust my threshold.
I love the new design. Thank you very much for your hard work.
Hi,
The new design consumes 8KB of memory every second until the window is closed. Looks like objects are not being destroyed properly. It also uses a lot of CPU!
please fix this ASAP
Cheers
Wasn't new coke some old people thing that happened before the web was invented?
We might not be a majority any more, but some of us like, or have, to use KDE 3.5.10.
As usual, it's obvious that no one thought of checking Konqueror 3.5.10 and it's even more broken that previous interations.
But what _really_ gets me is the fact that the "plain" layout is getting more and more fancy, as well. There is a reason why some of us like a text interface so don't CSS & HTML it to death. It's text.
Here's hoping that of all things, cut and paste in the comment box finally works once more.
Here's hoping that of all things, cut and paste in the comment box finally works once more.
yep, looks like it does.
Now, here's also hoping that hitting the preview button doesn't take 20-30 seconds to display the preview...
Nope, 19 seconds from hitting the preview button and getting a spinner until something happened. Seriously, what's going on?
Specialist Mac support for creative pros, Melbourne
"one of the things I've always liked about threaded discussions on Slashdot is that, because of the moderation system, really great discussions could be seen and take place nested 4 or 5 threads under the original post. Since 3rd-level comments and above aren't visible in the redesign without clicking through, it's now much less likely that discussions beyond 1st or 2nd level will even be seen." - by snl2587 (1177409) on Tuesday January 25, @11:29PM (#35003846)
Agreed, and since slashdot now "demands" that I use javascript to see those nested sub-replies, where it used to NOT demand that? I am gone. The demand for using javascript started only a few weeks ago here, even before this "redo" today, but it wasn't as bad before, as it is now. I do not like it, because it's not possible to reach those nested tree of replies in discussions anymore, without javascript turned on/enabled.
(Pity is, that I liked coming here for more than 5 yrs. straight in fact, everyday, and participating in the discussions that went on. Not anymore. It's been made nearly impossible to deal with, and on the very account you noted snl2587: It's not possible to see all the nested replies anymore (and it's worse if you keep javascript off and I do, for security purposes, when & if possible to do so - and here on /., it's no longer possible to do so, and still have a nice browsing + posting/replying experience)).
This site is totally broken with IE...
Looks good on iPhone though...
I'm a firefox2 user (laugh it up, I'm not switching on this machine) with noscript. The CSS horribly broken, the sidebar follows me around cutting off content (as other people have said), there's a huge screenful of empty space on the homepage, content is fairly obviously in the wrong location and... oh god, click if you really want to see it. Turning off styles makes it slightly less painful.
And I just noticed the copyright on the bottom of the posting page here says (c) 201, Geeknet
I can't see anything right, the home page is all blank. I don't use Firefox because it used to work ok (although not perfect) with the old version. And I'm not about to install Firefox to read /. I guess I'll have to read something else until it's working, if it ever does...
I'm not a big fan of bells and whistles to begin with, so bells and whistles that screw up the display make me mad. Oh and it's slower than it used to be (didn't think that could be achieved)
Why to people insist on 'redesigns' the best redesigns are the the ones you never notice but just like. Why talk about the design and not the news? First rule of publishing - never be the story. Has Gap and Starbucks not taught people anything about avoiding announced redesigns.
Can't edit ANY of my options. Firefox 3.6.13 / XP. NoScript installed, but slashdot isn't blocked (in fact nothing on that page is blocked). Clicking the links along the top (e.g. slashboxes) does nothing. Not sure why, because the URL is shown properly at the bottom of my browser, and it works fine if you manually navigate to the URL. Possibly some daft javascript.
Firefox is chewing up 20% cpu (core 2 duo, 2.6ish GHz)
The copyright notice at the bottom of all of the options screens reads "© 201, Geeknet". Maybe they're just foisting old tech on us.
When I change any of the options on the various options forms, clicking 'save' does absolutely nothing.
Can we please have an option to get rid of the left-hand menu pane? There's nothing I need there.
Also lose the border, it sucks donkeys.
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A feature that hasn't been mentioned is that now I can tell how many /. tabs I have open in my browser by the RPMs of my CPU fan - the fan maxes out at 6 open tabs. It's a feature I've been asking for in my slashdot experience for years, and I'm glad you guys listened!
"We have an A-Bomb...what more do you want, mermaids?" --I.I. Rabi, speaking in defense of Robert Oppenheimer
Clicking a comment title to minimize makes the top half of the screen become covered with a gray rectangle for about a second. Way to go.
Something bad is coming when people are suddenly anxious to tell the truth.
I like it. Especially compared to v2. And I like the whitespace since it gives a cleaner, uncluttered look. It's not over the top, but enough to make it read better.
I will shred my adversaries. Pull their eyes out just enough to turn them towards their mewing, mutilated faces. Illyria
Yeah, but it works without Javascript, doesn't it?
I always browse (Slashdot) without Javascript, and I'm replying without it either. Is there anything else that's not working in this release?
I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on the Internet. Blog
To whom it may concern,
I can no longer browse using "http://slashdot.org/index.pl?issue=20110122" for all of the articles on that date. This is severely irritating to say the least. If I can't have that functionality back, then I require the ability to load either 25, 50, or 100 stories at a time from recent to whenever the 100th story was posted.
Thank you for your time.
Sadface. Still no mobile optimisation means opera mobile takes forever to load /.
While this design is better than V.2, it is worse than V.1. Can we please have an option for that?
Which makes finding where the links are in a story almost impossible.
That one point gets the new design an "IT SUCKS" label.
>Seriously, WHY do so many sites default to a 5 point font size?
This. The old idea was to set font size to 100% and let the user set their font size (for 100%) to whatever they like.
Blame the artsy-fartsy crowd that doesn't get their pixel-perfect "magazine layout" without micro font sizes.
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Among other things I dislike, that's such a strange omission. I never truly understood the threading system in the previous design (clicking get more comments would make new comments appear randomly throughout the whole thing, making reading more than the first page of comments impossible... I must have been missing something) and now this is the same but worse!
This looks pants now...
Goodbye /. readers
I read Slashdot at work and thus am restricted to using IE7. This update has made slashdot nigh unusable as it displays as almost all whitespace, with the story summaries in a narrow band down the right 15% of the screen and almost entirely obscured by the links, poll, ads etc that appear there.
For fucks sake allow me to fetch all comments at once, rather than clicking a button to load 50 at a time - who is the fuckhead that designed this piece of shit? And why is there so much whitespace between lines of text?!
On my iPad it looks nice, clean and fast.
Sadly I am bothered much more by the moderators and story pimping than the look of slashdot any more.
-- I really need to bleed off some of this
Well, I gotta say I really like the new design. It feels instantly 'modern' without resorting to the usual graphicy gimmicks. The new spacing feels overall less claustrophobic. Well done!
It looks great!
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I like how it is now © 201 (look at the bottom right corner of the page). Maybe it's some sort of fancy-schmancy UNIX time variant.
Wow, this looks very good. Nice work guys!
Right align the text of the left-hand side to make more sense of all the new whitespace.
Also, monitors these days are (aggravatingly) short. Lessen vertical whitespace between articles
Ugly, boring, bland, forgettable and the font is too tiny. And it's slow.
I like it, it's clean and l like the logos going with the articles. Nice job
At work in IE7 the front page looks hideous. The articles are taking up the right side of the page about a third of the way in. At home in Firefox it looks fine. Might be our firewall that is mangling it.
Oh and the post comment page has the 2 buttons as small verticle rectangles
My screen is 128dpi. Therefore, I am using 20px fonts for text.
The left panel crops off substantial portion of middle panel making reading slashdot virtually impossible. Please, stop cluttering pages with useless crap. Keep it simple, please!!
In FireFox, Chrome, Safari and Opera (at least) metamod appears completely broken. There are no buttons to click.
Jón fór í búðina og verzlaði sér kind.
The page doesn't display properly at all using my IE7 browser. I see 0 news stories...they all seem to be buried on the right side of the page. Complete fail.
Seems to be looking and working just fine here, though I'm on my mobile at present. Android browser, rooted and rom'ed Samsung Fascinate for what its worth).
Nothing wrong with the looks per-say (as others have said, too much spaces... of whiteness... whitespaces, yeah), but it's definitely sluggish. It's choppy to browse comments, and I'm on my stationary gaming PC running Chrome!
The design & layout actually looks decent on an iPad. It's like designed specifically for it. The font size is fine, spacing reminds me of reading a lot of other iPad formatted sites/media, scrolling works as it should.
Unfortunately, on my PCs and Macs it is unreadable, which is too bad as that was where I primarily read Slashdot, it being my homepage for the last 6 years or so. About a month ago they did something with the site that totally screwed up my v1 settings that I used, so I had to go reset everything. It wouldn't even show threshold settings anymore. I should have realized something was up...
So why the insistence on change all the time? Maybe this a clever ploy to make us feel we all need to switch to 10" monitors...
I can't read anything on my locked down system, and I can't use a different browser. Goodbye Slashdot.
I think it looks much cleaner than v2, but there are a few bugs at the moment. One that I have found just now is that when you zoom in Chrome, it does not stay focused on the section you were looking at.
Julie Moult is an idiot.
Congratulations on creating a site that looks like it was built by a teenager in the 90s and is slower than dialup. I haven't seen a (major) site that's this bad in at least a decade.
I hate it.
Post may contain irony: discontinue use if experiencing mood swings, nausea or elevated blood pressure.
I was so excited to hear about a new design. To bad it is a huge disappointment. This should have been made available as a beta...
The page encoding is still not UTF-8?
In 2011?
On a geeky website?
ARE YOU KIDDING?
Also, nice copyright notice - "201"
This really, REALLY sucks. Are you trying to be worse than Failbook?
like the new design, needed a makeover. find it quite snappy on Firefox 3.6.13 on winXP. well done to all involved, rob
The new Slashdot does not seem to render properly in ie7. I can't go beyond 7 as some of the legacy products I use won't work on ie8+. :(
And, like everyone else has said, too much white space. I don't mean this as a direct criticism - but did none of the beta testers make these observations? I'm genuinely curious.
Physicist, consultant, science communicator
I have the slider all the way over to -1, but I can't see more than 50 comments! How the fuck do I see the other 1000 comments that have been posted?
i favor the clean look, but i'm actually not a big fan of san serif type, especially for extended reading.
three can keep a secret, if two are dead - benjamin franklin
i always thought the old design was super-ugly. way to go slashdot!
I think Noscript might invoke classic mode by default. It certainly seems much more usable without any javascript at all than previously.
+ for a lot less busy - for low contrast small text. The zoom function does work well though Overall I like it better. Thanks
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The new design does not render correct at all on my work version of MSIE 7! Everything is pushed way to the right and overlapping.
K Man
The formatting of the RSS feed is all screwed up now, as well. At least it is for me in Opera. Everything else seems to work, though.
Just like the Digg redesign pushed everyone over to Reddit... this may also push me somewhere
too much whitespace and my poor old PPC Mac mini now decides to turn on the CPU fan while browsing slashdot so there must be some CPU hogging stuff going on in the background.
this is leaning more toward "FAIL" than "WIN"
sorry
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In previews, <i> doesn't work, at least here in Chromium. Think anybody actually uses that?
<tt> seems similarly to do nothing.
The main content widgets seem to be randomly placed on the screen. I guess we're beta testing...
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
I feel like I've moved out to Beverly Hills from the inner city. There's so much space here, you could make a LotR movie from the journey between divs.
OperaMini is by far the most used browser. Could you please fix it as it runs on it? I see some errors that the main news-text get cropped on the left so I loose the first character of each sentence on the left. Also some of the older versions of Opera Mini, as the newest version is kinda slower.
In previews, <i> doesn't work, at least here in Chromium.
OK, it doesn't work in the regular comment views either.
I literally can't read Slashdot if the threading and quoting is un-followable so I'm going to close my other tabs and check back tomorrow to see if it's usable.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
I'm being blinded here by all of this white, white, white. Why the shadows?
http://www.acetonestudio.com
I read slashdot every day on my iPhone. Now the text is al ost unreadable on my iPhone. It's so small now and does not zoom properly. I guess I'm moving on to another site now. Good bye slashdot
After 13.5 years my eyes cannot cope with such small fonts. I imagine the developers are sitting in front of 30" screens testing on the latest browsers and are satisfied that the results are acceptable. But that's okay. When they are old and can't read anymore these small fonts they can take over my role and complain to the next generation.
Why are all of my articles pushed to the right and under the the right column of ads and polls? I can see 1 or 2 letters showing from underneath. IE7 on Win XP.
where is this all-minified.js of which you speak, so that we may benefit from your tech wisdom (or experience, for that matter)
BTW, /. eds, browsing text mode in links2 makes it look like I am reading some tech documentation. No way is my imaginary boss going to fire me i as he passes by my imaginary cubicle in my near-perfect imaginary office.
WARNING: Smartphones have side effects--most of them undocumented.
Everything is crammed over on the right... 7.0.5730.13CO Oh, dang. That's where my CPU went.
I almost expect it ... popping up from hell
I agree with the "too much whitespace" comments. It gives the whole page too much glare and - for me - makes it harder to read. This may be related to the fact that I have one of the more prevalent forms of colour-blindness (protonopia) which leads me to another issue I have with the new design: links are shown in a colour which has only subtle differences to the main text. Thus without running my mouse along the words in a summary (links in a comment have the site name next to them) I can no longer find the links. I know this is /. and nobody reads TFA anyway but this is ridiculous.
Yes i can fix this with a custom stylesheet but you wanted to know what we thought.
We can't see it right with IE7 (and no, we can't upgrade)
I don't care about all of the other changes, but taking xkcd out of the quick links box was going a step too far...
At this point, this is nothing more than another "me too" sort of post, but I like it. I can agree that there is probably more whitespace than needs to be, but I don't find it distracting. I'm fairly indifferent on "position: fixed" elements on a page, so I can't relate to the out-rage over the header and sidebar. I can copy & paste into text boxes again, so that's a plus. As for performance, if there's any kind of "comment auto-loading" based on scrollbar event firing, see Learning from Twitter by John Resig. I haven't personally experienced this yet, so this may not be the issue at all. Anyway, definitely an improvement in appearance.
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Weird!
I've tested this every which way, If I close this comment page - hardly any usage or if I turn off my webcam, hardly any cpu usage, But this page + fsdn.com scripts + webcam running in XP (flash not running) = 30% of a core.
All other tabs closed, recent history etc wiped, firefox restarted.
I have no webcam related plugins.
Any explanations as to why this might happen?
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It used to be that you could read a specific date page. Great for catching up after not being on for a few days. Now URLs such as http://slashdot.org/index2.pl?issue=20110123 no longer work. This is really annoying.
Never hit your grandmother with a shovel, for it leaves a bad impression on her mind...
For whatever B.S. security reason someone sold them on, my organization's default web browser settings trash many Web 2.0 pages. slashdot's new layout is just the latest victim. In this case, I cannot see the story summaries, but if I have a link to an actual story I can see that. So the only way I can see what's on slashdot is via my iGoogle page. If I go to the front page, all the story summaries are under the left sidebar. Please offer a "no 2.0 element: version.
seg fault
We've had enough time for most people to forget what the original Slashdot was like, but we *know* we didn't like v.2 ('New Slashdot').
The only difference is, they didn't claim that they were bringing back the old version, and then instead substitute some inferior item that they insisted was really the original version, when lots of people could tell it wasn't, they just knew it wasn't as bad as 'New Coke'.
Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
Yet another website negletcts to take into account that not all its users have the latest, fastest hardware! I now have to wait while the page slowly scrolls, and yet nothing significant seems to have been added, I type a sentence and have to wait for the cursor to catch up with me. Why is a site that is mostly text now so slow as to be almost unusable on a 2.0GHz Pentium 4? Is Slashdot in league with the hardware manufacturers, trying to get us to upgrade perfectly usable PCs to their new, all-singing, all-dancing, bells and whistles overloaded, environmentally-unfriendly computers that most of us can't afford because of the current financial situation?
This is unusable. On my iMac, Safari pegs out at 100% and the fans spool up to top speed. NFG.
I get that it is not the pinacle of browser tech, but it's still big and the only thing I have on my computer at work where I read slashdot when I have free time. The site is completely unusable, literally. I could barely get to the button for posting a comment and half the content is stacked on top of other content with 75% of my screen having no content at all.
Well, after over a decade, you've finally done it. I'm throwing in the towel on /. I finally broke down and created an account last month because y'all totally broke the D1 discussion system. Got it all set up more or less the way I wanted it, then this happens. I tried changing my settings again, but it loses them randomly. Even better, the Flash ad on the right is on top of the settings dialog, so I can't even see all the options. There's a big stupid floating bar on the side, also blocking the content.
So, I'm giving up. I'm pretty sure there are other places on the Web to go that aren't as pointlessly annoying. If not, I'll just read a goddamn book.
This thread is a good example of a worst-case scenario since everyone is commenting on the new design, but that also makes it an excellent candidate for real-world usability testing. Try viewing this thread on an Intel Atom platform and see why you need to work on your caching algos and defer loading some of this crap with Ajax. Because right now reading heavily-commented articles is slow as shit. Whomever is responsible for Slashdot's UI that signed off on this needs to have their nuts removed and their parents tortured because it's just awful.
Definately an improvement. the previous design was a bit out dated, the new one is damn sexy.
Not readable by me anymore due to overlap of frames. Put it back the way it was where it mostly was readable.
Apparently Slashdot is no longer News for Nerds or Stuff that Matters!
-mrxak
Onions Will Kill You
Nice and clean but too much whitespace -- I read on my laptop and would prefer a more compact representation. Firefox seems to be a bit more responsive that the previous format, no doubt due to less stuff to render.
This. Also, I clicked the "Score" link, it opened the traditional "window", and then when I clicked the "X" in the top right of the "Score" window, it scrolled to the top of the page! I tried this several times to be certain that I didn't hit anything by accident. Chrome, on Ubuntu 10.04.
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
I saw 2 bugs:
1) In all the overlapping panels (account options, score...), the Slashdot logo doesn't appear completely
2) When I click on the score of a post it brings the score panel, then close it; the current page is reloaded and focus reseted at the top of the page. I need to hit the previous button to go back at the post I was reading or writing.
I'm using Firefox 3.6.13 on WinXP SP3.
Edit: previewing still takes an eternity!
"There is no dark side of the moon really. Matter of fact it's all dark."
...for the home page. I don't know if it's just DoD computers or what, but all the stories are stacked together under the sidebar at the right.
Most annoying.
This design is teh gayest.
Web 2.0 ? crap.
MAC styles ? crap.
crap, crap, crap.
This one page alone is doing this to firefox:
/. now. *sigh*
PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
18408 username 20 0 365m 117m 26m R 95.3 6.2 3:03.85 firefox-bin
It's constant and will not let up. Whoever let this get into production is an idiot. Time to disable javascript on
Frankly, it sucks. I never liked the intermediate one with the collapsed stories and frankenstein threading, so I compare to the classic layout:
The new one is a horrible step backwards. In pretty much all respects. My input window for this posting is so tiny, I wonder if you even want people to comment anymore. Threads look horrible, footer texts have massive linespacing, buttons that belong together are broken up by linebreaks, there's useless information taking up space all over the site (yeah, I really need the number of comments in a huge grey font, it is so important to me).
The user page is a mess. In the list of my own comments, the headers are now the same background as the comment lines, which makes it hard to see which comments belong to which story.
Frankly, please someone tell me there's a way to get back to the classic layout. This one is a failure. Don't force me to beta-test it if it isn't ready. Take it back to the drawing board and don't come back until it's done, and actually an improvement.
Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
I don't know about the rest of you - but it is unreadable in my version of IE, the ads overwrite the content - and it is all pushed up on the right side of the screen with a large blank spot in the middle. Obviously Quality Control dropped the ball on this one.
Fixed vertical navigation elements are a bad design choice. Anyone whose browser window is shorter than the vertical navigation element will not be able to scroll down and access those items in the menu that are below the height of the browser window.
Links are no longer underlined in summaries. This is bad because it makes locating and identifying clickable text much more difficult. The color and contrast difference between the non-link black color and the dark-green link color is too small to make identifying links easy without the underlined text. Underlined text representing links is a convention that's been in place since the modern web came into being. It's what people expect and are use to. By removing the underline of links you're removing a very critical piece of usability from the design.
And lastly, but having a fixed horizontal element along the top you make linking to bookmarks (named anchors) within the web page far more problematic. The browser will move the window down to a position that puts the anchor at the top of the window. But the top of the window is now blocked by this horizontal bar. As a result anyone who clicks on a bookmark to a position in the page will then be forced to scroll up a bit to reveal the crucial first few lines of text that they're trying to get to. What's worse is if a user doesn't realize this they may wind up missing out on critical information and may come away from reading comments or an article with the wrong impression or understanding of the content.
way too much white space !!!!!
None scolling parts? How stupid.
CPU meter is through the roof just to SEE the page - no scrolling no nothing. Worse than pathetic.
I honestly didn't notice until I read the news item! And that's a complement, I hate when my favorite sites completely change style. The changes I can see so far looks good too.
It's crisp. Just like my coffee..
it still looks as drab and old as it ever did. ...
sorry. looks plainer than Gnome.. and thats saying something
This new design rocks, for everyone else who doent like it all i have to say is "Deal with it Nerd"
Much easier on the eyes, and less white space, when you block all but the raw blue-and-white. Here's a nice clean screenshot.
can't you move the top bar to the side? like said before scrolling with space bar is now a PITA and most of us have widescreen displays, i don't need 700+ pixels width full of text, it would be better IMHO to move the bar to the right...
only think I see on IE8 compatibility mode is this page link - epic fail
When I click "Get X More Comments" (1149 right now) it only ever loads 5 at a time? Why?! It has been doing this for a long while now and I don't know why but it's extremely irritating. If I wanted to read every single comment that has appeared so far I would have to click that button 230 times and it's guaranteed to still grow for a little while. Please FIX THIS!!! Argh.
how is babby formed?
Ok where is the NON javascript version? I want it. I want it NOW
Ah, I see you've redecorated... I don't like it.
(In fact, I do, but a way to make the font size bigger would be nice.)
don't fuck with it.
All I see is a title bar (for instance, look at the "Fedora" story), but no story summary. Is this a feature of some sort, like the Firehose?
Posting AC 'cause I modded elsewhere
In the options some combination of Retrieve Many Comments / Low Bandwidth / Simple Layout / and a few other things seems to ratchet down the cpu use for me.
I don't like it (and it looks like I'm not alone). Too much whitespace, annoyances like it jumping to the comments instead of show the main story text at the top after clicking on the link, and everything requires more scrolling due to the larger boxes. I'll give it a few days to see if I get used to the new one, but I'd prefer an option to use the old interface.
The slider bar is rather unintuitive...I just want to be able to view 3+ comments and never see anything associated with lower-rated comments. Now, I'm getting an "unresponsive script" when I muck with the slider control.
I'll be turning in my geek card now, as I really can't figure this out.
First thought: OK, so they made it look like Facebook. Huh?
Other thoughts:
1) The grey border is not needed.
2) I agree with the other posters - way too much white space.
3) The boxy look is not my cup of tea, but I can live with it.
4) The lack of seeing the other comments below the threshold is not good. I do applaud the thermometer under the story though.
Overall, maybe something which should have been rolled out on a beta site to get feedback and to fine tune it before releasing to the masses. But hey, change can be good and if you have basically tore out everything and rebuilt it, it's a good first step.
I call it 'The Aristocrats'
... the new layout. The thinner top nav (and generally slimmer design elements) give much more room to why I'm really here: the text of the summaries and comments.
I wish more designers would make up with ems. If it's all about text, the only sane way to specify sizes is relative to the font size.
Which should default to "1em" as the base size. I know what's comfortable reading on my screen, don't screw with it.
I also really appreciate not having fixed headers. Messes with page up/page down something awful.
This is the voice of World Control. I bring you Peace.
Its terrible. Stories are wedged to the side and unreadable. Can anyone suggest another site for us to read, meet and greet?
...so that newest posts are first? I've always browsed comments this way, and indeed this should be the default if you really want fair and balanced moderation.
The layout is completly busted in IE7.
Next time cross-browser testing ftw.
The original UI was far better than the current one. So once again, I have to figure out to reimplement the original interface for the third time.
Ugly flat look, like KDE4 plasma. Too much wasted (i.e. white) space. Looks like my old first-grade writing tablet that let you get most of one sentence to a page. I thought you said "improvement". This looks more like change for the sake of change. I think you need to get started on the next round of changes post haste.
...cover up the first 2-3 characters of the main text. (At least it does with Firefox.) In order to read anything just to the right of those menus you have to scroll it down to the bottom of the window. Either that or one has to guess what text is being obscured by the menus. Changing the font size doesn't help.
Anyone got a fix for this problem?
CUR ALLOC 20195.....5804M
As others have noted, javascript burning down the house:
A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. You can stop the script now, or you can continue to see if the script will complete.
Script: http://a.fsdn.com/sd/all-minified.js?T_2_5_0_306a:20
anyone else notice on the front page that there is a horizontal scroll bar that is capable of scrolling only about 2 or 3 pixels? I thought to myself: "oh, I'll just make my browser window slightly larger to lose that", but the scrollable area seems to resize with the browser window size. it always seems 2 or 3 pixels larger than the window will hold. Confirmed that shrinking the browser window does the same in reverse.... always 2-3 pixels away from a scroll-bar-less layout!
(firefox 3.6.13 OSX)
And one more web site which totally break compatibility with konqueror from kde 3.5
The new design looks like garbage, previous version was fine...
Not happy with the new layout. I have to use IE on military installations to access the Internet, and everything is grouped to the right. At home, it looks great on Firefox, but I don't have that oppotunity at work.
I logged into slashdot and swore I saw a crazy unicorn! Thanks Slashdot.... the new design is great....
Probably better than the last design. Now, where's the option to go back to the old interface?
love it.
seriously.
i love it.
We've pushed a fix that should address the CPU thrashing. If it continues after a reload, please let us know. We've also moved the username link out of the sidebar to address the clipping issues.
Working on other bugs now. Great feedback so far, keep it coming.
I'm using IE 7 and all the content boxes are all the right hand side of the screen, and the 'normal' right column stuff is layered over top! The entire middle of my screen is white with no content. I can't even view the first 7 stories! This is crap!
It uses fixed-width columns which means I can't increase the font size without something getting mangled. Here are ten rules for making a readable web page: 1. Do not change the user's preferences, especially the font size. 2. Do not change the user's preferences, especially the font size. 3. Do not change the user's preferences, especially the font size. 4. Do not change the user's preferences, especially the font size. 5. Do not change the user's preferences, especially the font size. 6. Do not change the user's preferences, especially the font size. 7. Do not change the user's preferences, especially the font size. 8. Do not change the user's preferences, especially the font size. 9. Do not change the user's preferences, especially the font size. 10. Do not change the user's preferences, especially the font size. And WTF is this jump to the top of the page after I view Options?
Don't stop where the ink does.
It is definitely interesting to see the changes. I logged on in both IE and Firefox and Slashdot works well in FireFox, but in IE, it's a complete mess.
I do realize that Slashdot does lean towards Firefox, Opera, and others, but many users still use IE, and in IE everything shifts to the right side of the screen and is crammed on top or below the right side menu items.
The massive amount of white space without some simple light gray or green lines to break it up a bit is difficult on the eyes. I would suspect that many of your readers are wearers of glasses, and all the white is heavy.
Hope this feedback does you well.
Life takes interesting turns, but the most interest is when you're off the beaten path.
Is it me or site still looks completely squashed in IE7? Who did the QA?
Yes, I like it. But they need to tuck in the vertical margin by 40% or so, I think.
Clicking on a score to see a comment's score/moderation history appears to be broken. After closing the popup, it jumps me back up to the top of the page. This happens in Chrome (v 8.0.552.237) and Opera (v. 11.00). This is annoying. I'll go on record as saying that there is too much white space, too.
What happened to speed and efficiency?
Why remove the "News for nerds, stuff that matters" tagline?
Why remove the color coding from the content sections? (When it was purple, I always knew I was in 'games'.)
There is no contrast between the very bottom edge of the header rim and the slight drop shadow. It just looks blurry as a result.
The gray background should be reverted to black or dark gray.
The green should have its color saturation increased. It is far too muted.
I wish the old site design would return, with improved margins, and Arial or Verdana fonts:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010507000311/http://www.slashdot.org/
This is what you've been working on?? .... and "no", I don't like the redesign.
What about a substantive change like providing access over IPv6?
Granted, I'm at work and this is an annoyance over here only (checked site at home before coming to work, everything there is peachy (Win7x64, Chrome). Here at work, all of the links destined for the left side and center of the page all stack under the infobar on the right. Articles are displaying properly, but site navigation is pretty much a no-go for me. (XP SP3, IE7 v7.0.5730.13)
http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/40446
The previous design atleast allowed me to turn of all the Javascript and floaty crap and kept the primary feel of the site (size of the top banner, etc). This one breaks it entirely, it wastes huge globs of space on nothing but wide, makes the floating top and side bar mandatory (and completely useless), time for a "Back to Web 1.0" button imo, with not the previous design, but the one before that even....
What a waste of pixels! Hey guys I'm not investing in larger screens to see more emptry space!
I've noticed that whenever sites start using CSS absolute-position styles, the rendering speed when scrolling is awful. This is using Firefox 3.6 on Linux with a decent machine underneath (Intel Xeon multiple-core 2.33 GHz).
Same thing happened with Google News on an even more powerful machine.
I think it looks great. I was pleasantly surprised when I realized it was different but it took me a minute so kudos on not making the change drastic to the point of disconcerting. It's so much cleaner and contrary to the majority opinion, the fixed nav bars are nice. I hate scrolling back up to get to those things; it's annoying. My only constructive feedback is the comment nesting isn't as obvious as it was on the last version; something to consider.
The whole thing screams, post-ycombinator.
Tiny header, with options that are equally sized. Just change the green to Orange and get rid of the search bar and you have a suspiciously similar layout.
I wouldn't use IE7 if I didn't have to but my work only just recently upgraded to 7 from 6. I don't know how many workplaces are as behind the times as mine but if you could fix the site for IE7 I'd be grateful.
Thanks, Slashdot, I think I will.
Slow Down Cowboy!
Slashdot requires you to wait between each successful posting of a comment to allow everyone a fair chance at posting a comment.
Oh, you. I remember you. What is it, 5 minutes between posts? Still better than not being able to read anything.
It is beautiful, functional, and creative.
Good job!
Keep it this way.
Everything is squished under the right sidebar.
Literally unreadable. I'll try back again tomorrow.
You're not old until regret takes the place of your dreams.
The new format is unusable.
I have classic enabled and its totally unusable.
There are stories that appear only as a folded headline bar on the main index page. There doesn't appear to be any option to turn off this stupid feature. Either show me the story, or don't.
OMG!!! Ponies!!!
Hard to head on my iPhone in portrait orientation.
Can't see any of /. now. The screen is all mucked up. took me ages just to find the comment button.
This is bad. Real, real bad.
Progress is good. Change can be good. This is neither.
In chrome, when you click on a posts score, you get a popup saying how and why the post has this score, so far so good, click close, and the page of comments jumps back to the top
People, what a bunch of bastards
Where are the usernames in the minimized/one-line comments? How am I supposed to limit wasting my time on AC's?
Also, Why does it make me fight with it to get ALL the comments on the page at first load?
loose: not fitting closely or tightly != lose: to suffer the deprivation of
On my browser all the stories are off page to the right. IE7 and don't have a choice.
It seems like a good idea to have a legacy/moble edition to slashdot. Without all the web 2.0 garbage. The website as it is COMPLETELY unusable on the school computers because of boxes that look like shrapnael from a massive grenade all over the page. Updating the browsers would certainly fix the problem, but that's not even remotely possible on the current network infrastructure. I can't even begin to imagine what it would look like on most moble devices. I believe it would be a good idea to have a legacy/moble interface at least until more of the web catches up with the web 2.0 standards.
I think it's a nice, clean look. Most people are complaining because it's different than what they are used to. OTOH, I don't use all the extra's that some people here like to use like zooming fonts and what-not. I read everything at a resolution my old eyes can handle.
All in all, good change.
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Unfortunately we're forced to use IE7 at work. The only way to make the new site readable is to add the site to 'Restricted Sites', so that the JS etc does not work. Then it's even uglier, but readable :) Otherwise, the content is squished to about the right 10% of the screen, and overlayed with some side bar... I hate IE7, so feel free to not fix this, I'll just continue to use it this way until we get upgraded at work.
Broken in Google reader on Droid. Cannot expand comments. Comments are double spaced.
The old slashbox Old Stories that used to display on the bottom right side and showed the story headline and number of comments will not display. I made sure to check that box in my slashbox preferences, but no matter what I do, it will not display in either IE or Firefox. I did send an email to feedback on this but have heard nothing. This was a great slashbox as it usually displayed 2 days worth of stories that you could quickly browse to then read or comment on. Hope they can get this fixed quickly. I did check and uncheck other slashboxes and they seemed to work correctly, i.e. either showing or not showing.
If your browser window is not maximized, the top and sidebars will stop following your scroll. At least it does for me, on WinXP with Chrome.
The top and sidbars still follows for me when the window is not maximized. I am using Chrome on WinXP.
*ducks from all the other users*
Pointless, probably expensive and unnecessary (I liked the old design aswell), but I still like the new one.
In FF 3.6.7 on XP SP2, I'm getting the long running script dialog when viewing this very story.
Also scrolling up and down is a pain... slow and jaggy. I'm on a 2 year old dual core AMD with 2GB... the v2 site didn't do that.. not a lot of other sites do that....
Huh?
Can you please point to some examples of better designed discussion sites that address the issues you raise?
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
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This comment will get buried among the 1000s of others, but I wanted to add my positive-karma to this thread for the Slashdot team.
The new design is simple, sharp and just... well... great! I have absolutely no modifications to suggest. This isn't one of those "Hey this looks great, EXCEPT I hate it for these X reasons..." types of posts, I literally love every aspect of it.
It seems to me that to get such a polished rollout, including all the redone story-topic graphics and all the admin pages/account pages/etc. all polished up like this, you guys must have been working on this for damn near a year.
If you weren't, then it sure looks like you were because I could lick it.
The refresh is a great experience and as a reader I sure appreciate you taking the time to roll it out!
On my TV room laptop (P3 / optimized XP / IE7) it's a mess. Impossibly slow, crazy illegible formatting, random scrolling. There isn't even a button I can use to make this post. And yeah yeah I know it's an old laptop with old OSes and browers, but yesterday it worked fine - I've made hundreds of posts on this old gadget. Digg, Flickr, Reddit, BoingBoing - They all work fine. It's only Slashdot that doesn't.any more.
I have to use IE 7 at work. It looks like everything is shifted into what used to be the right frame (poll question, recommendations area).
Did you do this for my boss ;-)
My screen resolution is 128dpi and, therefore, I am using large test fonts. Left panel is too wide and crops off sizable part of the main central panel swallowing the beginning of each line. Please, fix it!!
I am using Firefox 3.6.9 under Ubuntu Linux.
The page is broken for me. The center of the page is blank. The stories are all pushed to the right 1/4th of the page, with the top stories blocked by the ad/poll/links section.
I'm using a stock version of IE7, since that's all they allow me to have at work. I'm able to get the page to view in IE8 on my netbook, so I guess I'll just have to be productive at work and read Slashdot in whatever time is left over :(
Second!
1) Lose the floating headers at the top and side of the screen. Really, really, really DO NOT WANT.
2) Weird bug: On the front page, if cookies are disabled (I'm not logged in): "Read the 1341 comments". If cookies are enabled (I am logged in), "Read." No, really, <span>Read </span> instead of <span>Read the </span> <strong class="comments">14</strong> <span>comments</span>
3) Annoyance: The box into which I'm typing my reply is... too damn small.
4) Annoyance: Ricockulous amounts of whitespace and humongous font. Easily shrunk down.
Slashdot 3.0 sucks less than Slashdot 2.0, but I still miss 1.0 I was running in classic mode. But at least it fails gracefully in that I can read threads (modulo the stupid floating headers/sidebar burning their way into my retinas) without Javashit bogging down a core or two.
Given the option to revert to 1.0, I'd sill take it. But 3.0 isn't so bad as to stop me from coming here. (At least, it won't be once I figure out how to force every browser on every machine I use to hide the assinine floating elements.)
Huh? That's more than enough pixels to get a legible font. I recently heard of someone who managed to squeeze the font down to 3*5 pixels (or thereabouts), and the font was still more than okay. So not sure what you're complaining about.
If you have a stupidly high resolution (who needs more than 1200*900 or so anyway?), then just set the resolution lower. 800*600 should be fine for you. 100 DPI is more than enough for anybody I reckon.
Yes, the above is a joke you'll be pleased to hear.
Why OpalCalc is the best Windows calc
Too much whitespace.
The contrast between the dark green and black text of an in-line link is waaay too low. And other than 'Reply to This', none of them have underlines. What happened to web standards!
It was working just fine 2 revisions ago.
I knew where everything was and I could quickly see what I wanted to see.
My autologin bookmark (on 2 computers & FF portable stick) worked, just fine, too.
Now you screw with it again and it's broken again.
Is this a grocery store? /get off my lawn
Do you re-arrange the aisles every couple months to re-confuse people so they'll walk past the items they didn't plan to buy?
The site looks fine under the current Firefox, but is badly broken under Seamonkey 1.1 (Which I still use regularly. Sue me.) See the screenshot here:
http://i.imgur.com/VePRd.jpg
I did call myself a "knucklehead" remember? Perhaps just lazy. For the most part the italics and bold tags are pretty much functionally identical to the (proper) emphasis and strong tags. The idea of the web being semantic has been "depreciated" (if you pardon my use) for sometimes, html has, with the help of other technologies like CSS, become purely visual. This isn't why I'm attached to <i>, and <b>, obviously, thats just habit.
I hate to say it, but html, and the web in general, has become merely a way of pushing content to users over a network.
Just be glad I can't use <blink> for emphasis anymore.
A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -edward abbey
When I browse /. I open a bunch of tabs for each story.
By the time I get to that tab, I now have to scroll up to see what the article summary is, as I only skim it before opening it in a tab.
A really nice improvement.
Well?
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
Seriously, until they get display of third-level comments and below fixed, I don't see myself coming back for a while...even the 'first line' summary display they had before is better than this 'Replies? *What* replies? I don't see no stinking replies!' thing they have going on here...
*oh yeah, and html format tags seem to be acting up (I have italics tags where the *s are above)
While TFA are usually interesting, who here can actually say they come here strictly for them? I like to read the back and forth discussions, and right now it more of a back and fo... discussion, unless you click through...and through...and through, like an AOL drone. I know this has been said elsewhere in this article discussion, however if I reply to that discussion, my comments drop off into the void where even I can't see them, so here's some more top-level comment pollution for you, /.
Oh well, at least my boss should be happy with all my increased productivity... :p
"I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
I'm using RockMelt (Chromium) on XP. The links in the stories look like regular text. They might be a slight green color but its so close to the black text its hard to tell where the links are.
Obligatory: Its not like /.ers RTFA anyway.. :P
Good: Clean layout, runs smoothly on Chrome, and nice new icons The Bad: Too much white space (articles are white against a white background), very laggy on Firefox, and don't like the locked bars (on the side and top) It is a good effort, but as with all new website layouts, there are bugs to work out. I'll stay tuned and see what happens.
Okay, responding to clarify my own post.
Seriously, until they get display of third-level comments and below fixed...
I guess I meant "abbreviated display of nested comments", since you can still set comment visibility with the slider. Trouble is, if I want to see comments below one that's abbreviated, I have to open that abbreviated comment first.
Essentially, if I want to be sure I've seen the entire discussion history, I'll have to set /. to display all comments fully, making comment abbreviation pretty much useless. Not a good use of my screen real-estate or your bandwidth, Slashdot , please fix this.
"I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
Great!
Now, how do I get the old 1.0 interface back?
FYI - The new site does not display properly in IE. It looks fine in FireFox.
I work on restricted computers and only have IE7, the new layout is slow and doesn't look like it is rendering right.
Some things have moved around and I need to explore changes to see how features work differently before I complain about anything. However there are things I see that I do like.
I like that the Reply & Parent links are now text rather than buttons.
I like the clean look, agree that slimming the margins would allow a lot more information in given screen real estate and would not hurt anything.
Performance in Chrome 8.0.552.237 / WinXP is fine, this is not a particularly high horsepower computer. "Seems" better performing than before, e.g. loading a reply window always took a while before but this one snapped into place immediately.
Copy/Paste now works in Chrome - thumbs up!
What happened to OpenID login? I gave up on using username/password some time ago now and don't want to go back.
Posting as anonymous because, hey, I can't log in anymore.
The only browser I can use at work is IE7 and the layout is totally hosed. Please fix !
...but I'm sure I'll get used to it.
Posterity, my posterior.
I'm using Mac OS 10.6.5 with Safari 5.0.3 and I don't see any of the high CPU usage on idle reading. Nor do I see any headers or sidebars that stay attached to the page. Window resizes are very laggy, though. The font in the comments is easy to read and has good contrast. I would like the article text to use the same color (I agree it's too pale currently).
Also a nice bonus to the update: on the previous version the "Many More" button at the bottom of the main page would disappear in my iOS-based browser (Atomic)... making it rather hard to click. Now it stays where it's supposed to be.
All in all a good update. Keep it up. Very nice.
Please try testing in IE next time. It doesn't work for me, which makes this more of a downgrade, than an upgrade. I know nobody likes IE, but remember where many people read /.
Works like a charm on IE8
Not.
Well I doubt it would be to force you to use <quote> instead of <i> as that would be wrong in many ways - quote is block-level and includes a grey bar down the left hand side.
Yes, a lot of the web is not semantic. However, it seems to me that with each revision HTML is becoming more semantic - we no longer have the font or center tags and i and b are deprecated. In fact thanks to CSS, rather than becoming as you say "purely visual", HTML has become less visual. These days it is considered good form to use HTML for semantics and CSS for layout, separating the two entirely. It may not be that way all over the web but it's the way it should be.
Brain surgery - it's not rocket science!
I like the new look!
Meh.
Still no UTF-8?
And why the <meta charset="utf-8"> followed by
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> ?
My first name is José, that is, Jose with a diacritical above the "e", which Slashdot still refuses to handle. Well, the new design is beautiful at least.
Stupidity is an equal opportunity striker.
Fellow slashdotter Bill Dog
The comments section of your own account... the top level still looks fine: you see a list of your comments with their scores and number of replies. But when you try to click one of your comments, you get... a link to some other comment. I use this section of Slashdot all the time to see who's responded to my comments and possibly reply. That no longer seems to be possible, which is a major downer.
I do really like the new look, though.
I can finally read my own comments on the iPhone. Very nice.
Number one good thing is that the reply box is no longer in the eye-killing monospaced font.
The "Re:" detection on collapsed replies is a good idea.
Idle no longer has broken CSS/Javascript that causes page loads when you try to un-collapse a reply, but I think that was simply a result of bad version control leaving a broken version in one sub-domain.
Generally it's good, but there are a few problems:
I want to see the moderation score on collapsed replies, so that I can know which ones are worth reading, and which ones were modded (-1, Troll). This is done for root comments, but not for replies. But at least now I can see more of the reply, thanks to the "Re:" detection. The name might be good too, so that I can see who is who in the replies to follow a thread.
I also want to see how many sub-replies are in a collapsed reply! !11!!!ONE!!!!!!ELEVEN!!!!11!! Seriously, once you've collapsed a 100-reply thread, all you see is a single gray bar with not even a hint of how much it hides. Bad bad bad design.
MINIMUM PAGE WIDTH. This is a new web design meme which I really don't like much because when I zoom in with a Mozilla browser, the page becomes wider than the window. On the other hand, there is some white space to spare on the edges (thanks to the category links), and on the main page under the old layout, the article text column ended up too narrow because of the fixed-width fields next to it. Anyhow, I'm sure this must be fun on a mobile browser. Remember, not everyone runs Windows with a big screen, and their web browser window in maximized mode.
It's also harder to read the collapsed replies while they are collapsed because of the (66%?) gray of the text on the light blue background. Please don't make them quite so faint. This is still not as bad as not knowing how many replies are hidden behind that bar.
Why were underlines hidden for web links? That plus the faint blue color makes it MUCH harder to identify links when scanning over text. And it appears that "previously seen" links are the exact same color as plain text! Quick, tell me how many words are in the first link in this paragraph!
The goal should be readability and identifiability, and while the layout changes in general help this, the gray-on-blue collapsed text impairs readability. And the hidden reply count and score and faint web links impair identifiability.
On the positive side, at least the "body text 85% size 85% gray" web design meme that has been so popular with other website re-designs wasn't done. Body text is still 100% size 100% black for maximum readability. That boring stuff at the bottom of the page is in gray, which is cool, because I don't come here to read that. It might be nice if the Preview/Options/etc. buttons had blacker text, though.
Oh yeah, and Unicode support still isn't fixed?
More: it would be nice if someone could move the "no karma bonus" checkbox out of the Options box. That is more of a per-message option, and it's a pain to change it for just one message. But I can live with it like it is. Also, (using Firefox) I clicked on the Options button, closed the box, then the browser window scroll position changed to the top of the page.
When I click on the "Preview" button, the new buttons are: Submit, Continue Editing, and Preview. Wait, Preview? Yo, dawg? Clicking on it does nothing, presumably because I'm already in preview mode.
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Looks good, but is way too squashed on my netbook :( is there a way to squash the sidebars instead?
For reasons beyond my own control, I'm stuck with Firefox 2.0 on the machine I generally use, and the layout does not work for me. It may be good to do some backward compatibility testing, or just SIMPLIFY the layout and go back to 1.0 IMHO
If you use Firefox's Tools > Options > Content > Advanced window to set a minimum font size larger than is planned in the new design, the left side of the Slashdot page at the top is not visible.
Doesn't work on IE7 which I am forced to use at work
The hyperlinks embedded in the comments need to stand out more. The dark green text does not stand out against the rest of the black text. I would simply underline it like most other hyperlinks are.
I have to use IE6 (workplace requirement) and the new design is completely broken. On the front page all the stories appear under the boxes with links to other sites on the right hand side of the page. Clicking to go to a new story crashes the browser.
Yes, yes I know IE6 is old and I should upgrade to IE8 or Mozilla or something- but I can't. It's a work machine and Slashdot should have tested on it.
Shame on you.
Don't know why it's hitting this machine in this particular way, but the articles appear smashed up against the right-hand side of the page _underneath_ the stuff in the right-hand column like ads, polls, etc. Completely unusable.
I feel like I'm the only one who likes it. Very clean and non distracting. The comment control is AWESOME. Of course, there is lots of room for improvement. Here are some technical performance suggestions: * Its YSlow grade is C. For a site with such huge traffic as /. has, it could be better. A good part is due to advertisement and A/B testing. A/B testing should be removed eventually so I will get better. However, there is still a couple of changes that could help:
- Enable GZip compression for javascript files in a.fsdn.com
- Combine comments_minified.js with all-minified.js. It's not worth it to have it separated into a different script. You can just delay the execution. Specially when gzipped it would weight around 6-7kb instead of 30kb.
- Slashdot pages are rather big. I believe that's why you chose to put a lot of javascript in the head. You should consider at least moving it after the article/s. That way the article will be shown faster even if the rest of the page and the comments are delayed a bit.
- It would help a lot to reduce the size of the page. Using the scroll event to show more comments as twitter does could be a good idea. Check out John Resig's latest post about it http://ejohn.org/blog/learning-from-twitter/
- Extend the life of the cached files. Use "access plus ten years" instead of a two week period. The correct strategy isn't to use the query string to manage versions but to use the filename for it. Rename the all-minified.js file to all-v1-minified.js and change it when needed.
- Add the expires header for logo.png and favicon.ico
- Remove E-tags
- In the homepage, the RSS, facebook and twitter buttons are three different images. You should reuse the sprite from the add-this widget http://s7.addthis.com/static/r07/widget26_32x32.png and consider writing your own widget and adding it to your main script.
I don't really mind the whole new look. Pretty snazzy actually. Sure it's a bit slow but I am certain that will be worked out in due time. It seems the people up in arms are using some odd ass browser configuration (seamonkey? wtf? I had to look that one up), or really hate change. Thumbs up /.!
It's scaled down a little bit, and overall, I like it much better. With that said, let's hope this goes better than Digg v4 did...I'd hate to see /. die a slow death too. Then I'll have nowhere else to troll on the internet. I've been banned from 4chan, and Reddit won't have me. Facebook and MySpace both left me and I burned the bridge with Friendster and Classmates, and Twitter just won't shut up. I don't know what I'd do without you /.
I have nothing clever to put here...
Not sure what the problem is, but the scrolling and screen echo while typing is very laggy.
Looks terrible in konqueror (kde 3.5.12 on kubuntu trinity) changing user agent doesnt help ;-p
thats so amateur... i know, i must be new here
How much time and expense did this redesign consume? And what could those funds have been better used for? And how much time and effort and funds will be spent debugging and patching the redesign? And the users get exactly what for all this time and effort? And corporate profits will increase by how much? The prior version wasn't broken, afaik. It needed a few fixes. Software redesigns/rewrites are dangerous and expensive and imho should be avoided if at all possible. But what do I know? I only did this for 30 years.
The icons for the various networking sites are huge compared to the utterly small text. Overall, the new design presents far less information and articles in the same amount of screen space, which, in my opinion, is a step backwards. This is mostly due to the ungodly amount of white space. The poll for example, had what are basically double-spaced choices. That's a little ridiculous.
I'm currently reading this on an iPad, and between the ads and sidebar the content is getting mangled to just a handful of words per line. I'd turn off ads but I dont usually mind helping slashdot make a buck. I second the general consensus around here, too big overall, and too much wasted space. You don't require 1/4 of my screen for the latest poll.
It's unusable from IE7. That's not an issue from home, but at work we're still standardized on IE6. I upgraded all the way to IE8, but then had to backtrack to IE7 because one of our web apps broke. Officially, everything other than IE is verbotten.
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_j2FyTmuJ5vg/TUA6bF56vSI/AAAAAAAAC_E/eTFM14ZSws4/s800/slashdot_new_ie7.JPG
Unfortunately we're stuck using IE7 corporate wide. Looks like productivity is about to go up around here :)
I really like the new design. I think it's clean, pretty and easy to read.
Has anyone had any success moving the comments rating slider bar on an iphone?
Why, for the love of God, are we still designing pages with fixed widths? The dreaded "This page best viewed at 800x600" was bad practice in the 1990's; haven't we learned anything about we design in the last 20 years?
My web browser is not 1024 pixels across. I don't want my web browser to be 1024 pixels across. You see, CSS has this wonderful thing were you can say width="15%" and the browser will decide how big the column is based on the current size of the window. Change the window, and the columns grow or shrink to match. It's lovely, it's portable, it works on mobile devices, web browsers; big screens, small screens. But it doesn't do a flaming bit of good if the code monkeys doing your web page design insist on saying width="1024 px"!
I'm sorry, but having to scroll left-right for every single line of text is a royal pain in the ass! If your window is smaller than the designed size, the new layout is completely unusable, and quite frankly, looks like shit because I can't see half of what's on the page.
Vanity of vanities, all is vanity...
I don't like it. The new "look" has less format definition on the page, implying that the text is more "one story" and that they are less of a synopsis paragraph.
As a result, the frames on the left and right appear less definitive and the overall result is of less page organization.
imho
Bill
Guys, please... Test your changes on multiple browsers (new and old), and deploy the new version only to browsers that can handle it.
That is all.
OMG! It looks like Twitter, with message bubbles and round corners and all! Welcome, Slashdot, to Web 2.0 circa 2007.
-dZ.
Carol vs. Ghost
The font for story text on the front page is smaller than the font in the slashboxes, can I change those around? When I click through into a story, the font size is tiny! Can I increase that somehow?
Less white space PLEASE.
I've been reading /. for the past 2 years at work. Our network has very restrictive security rules about web contents and with the redesign, everything in now broken, can't barely read the front page anymore with all those floating boxes covering the articles.
I really wished they would be a non-web2.0, simple HTML version we could revert to so I could keep reading it at work on lunch time.
<a href="http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4731246/1/The_Bible">Making the World</a>
One day God making of the world.
"Oh no" say Jesus, "The world is to smal"
Suddenly, world on fire! The world burning to the ground.
"All my worlds make a breakage!" said God, "I need someone who can creation of a world!"
Then, God pick up a rock and zap Adam and Eve on it.
"Hello I am much of Godly!" say the god.
"Oh no we can no see the gods!" say Adam.
Suddenly, God pull a sun!
"Now there be a light!" say God, "But this light make a distaction of my readings,"
Suddenly, the sun gav birth to a baby moon!
The moon danubed to the rock!
Suddenly, God zapped a tree of apples.
"Now, you no make a touching of trees!" say God.
Suddenly, a snake from down the tree!
"Hello to you!" say the snake, "You want a taking of the apple?"
Suddenly, Adam and Eve had eated all the apfels!
Then, God made a return from his vacation.
Adam and Eve suddenly hit in a cave, because the apple made them embarasement of their nakedness!
"WHY HAVE YOU TWO CONSUMING MUCH OF THE APPLES?" boamed God, and suddenly the snake flew away.
"Much of flying away the snake!" said Adam!
"I told you no to touch my trees! YOU CREATION OF A TOUCHING!" yelled God, and suddenly, he zapped Adam and Eve and they turned to dust.
The new design is awesome. It's very clean, soft, and overall quite nice. The new icons are a nice touch as well. Great job, guys!
Others have shown screenshots how messed up it is... also takes forever to load, and locks up IE while it does so. And before you flame me for using M$ products - I'm on an NMCI machine and one has to pull teeth to get anything installed other than default config.
Too bad, because at work is really the only time I catch up on my /.
Oh, and shame on you /., for not testing your layouts on all the major browser platforms before release.
Wow. This is horrific. In Seamonkey the page pegs the CPU at 100% and locks everything for a good minute before reporting that a script is running to slow for my work PC. And then it vomits a whitespace nightmare onto the screen - elements overlapping like mad, big blocks of white that you have to page down past, and nothing's readable because the sidebar's drawn OVER the comments.
So I started up Chrome and at least it looks pretty in there but I don't have my login info saved in Chrome. At least the CPU settled down faster (still choked).
I agree -- love slashdot -- but it's kinda hard to read now -- white feels blinding on my screen, hard to focus.
We had this same problem on one of our websites, and wanted to keep more white spaces, so we upped the font by one point and changed the color to 100 percent black (before it was 80 percent) -- made a BIG difference.
Is the font 100 percent black? if not, try that first.
Please let us choose the original design in our user preferences. Ajax kills performance and has no real purpose. Maybe it makes me a curmudgeon, but I've been a slashdot user for more than ten years and would prefer this one site retain the same look & feel so I don't have to relearn the terrain.
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I read slashdot in bach mode, i used to get the old static front page and no ajax crap with the classic url issue by date (for example:
http://slashdot.org/index.pl?issue=20110125 ) but now redirects to the current day ajax infested monstrosity
Nice try, epic fail.
If only you could see what I've seen when trying to look at this new "re-design". It is completely unusable with my browser.
Here's an idea.. How about a simple static page for people who don't browse with javascript, CSS, etc?
I rarely write anything because I am just another uninformed voice. But this is different - the new design stinks. Totally messed up trying to read comments or even see the front page in IE 7 at work. And not much better at home with Opera 10... Heck, I can't even find the "post" button now.
There's more space for ads now to the right, it looks cheap :( and what's with the facebook and twitter links or this social networking crap? Slashdot readers have no social life! ;-)
On the other hand, I like the thin and light concept but it needs improvement. I don't like the left navigation being there, it's not that important and the space could be better utilized by content or topics.
Did someone set the Wayback Machine?
The new design is flat and lifeless, as many others have commented. It looks like something out of 1999.
It seems that far too much of the conversation on /. these days is about /. itself, either poor moderation, poorly vetted submissions getting posted and now, once again, the very look and feel of the site.
Sad days, indeed.
n/t
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
I like the new L&F -- and I've seen them all.
This almost looks like a professional news site now!
A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. You can stop the script now, or you can continue to see if the script will complete. Script: http://a.fsdn.com/sd/all-minified.js?T_2_5_0_306a:20
'Just saying. Aside from a adding a couple of nifty things (that I'll never use) I'm now less happy with slashdot than I was before, and I was already less happy with slashdot than I was before. You had content system that worked, why would you screw it up? Sure, make your code base flexible, extensible, robust, but please leave the UI alone :).
(Cmon slashdot, I would've expected you to have learned from the mistakes of the other content (news for nerds) providers).
Not good :(
The new design is sluggish, even on my state-of-the-art computer.
your new design is broken on the windows mobile 7 phone browser
I miss the quotes at the end of the comments. ;-(
I'm of an age to need reading glasses, and I've been using the feature in Firefox, Chrome, and IE that you do Control Plus or Control Minus and it adjusts the font size. It's working fine here - it keeps track of settings on a domain name basis, so meta.slashdot.org didn't remember the settings I'd used on www.slashdot.org, but it does ok.
There seems to be too much white space in the new design, which is a bit annoying on my laptop but should be just fine on your big screen.
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
Try doing Control-Plus - works fine for increasing the font size, but it does aggravate the whitespace problem.
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
I found a way to enable the old design just go to http://slashdot.jp. It looks great, is fast, just a little more difficult to read if your Japanese is rusty...
howdy y'all,
as others have mentioned, text-only zoom breaks this new layout. the left side text block overlaps the left edge of the conversation display in ff3.x with text zoom [NOT "all" zoom, just text] set to anything above 110%. that makes /. unreadable for me since i can't see well enuf without a minimum 120% text zoom. i really prefer to use 140% text zoom. yes, i am a geezer. [*grin*]
12345 ... at 140% text zoom the 1st two chars of this line are whited out by the left hand display block.
plus, as others have also mentioned, the speed is even slower than the previous rather slow version. oh, well, i hope i can find a script over on userstyles.org to fix this mess ... [*sigh ...*]
take care,
lee
don't like... don't work with the basics of no scripts.
I love the new design! It looks slick and clean!
The embarrassing part is that it does look very bad on my Blackberry Curve, when it finally loads. It is embarrassing that for a web site that has no image, the main page is 419kB (today). I know the Curve is an older device, but come one, no mobile page?
It would have been just fine with me if you had kept the old page design, and made a decent mobile version instead.
For an example of a web site that does very well for mobile devices, and my Blackberry in particular, check www.time.com
I recognise that developers are always up against people who are resistant to change.
However, in this case some things are a definite improvement for the worse. A case in point that I found straight away is that it is now really hard for a logged-in user to keep track of replies to his comments. Clicking on the comment in in your summary page delivers you at the beginning of the thread, and you have to repeatedly click to get to your own comment and view replies.
The earlier design (Classic or not) led you instantly to replies to your posts. Seems to me that the new interface was implemented with minimal testing. Leaving an option to return to the "Classic" viewing mode can't be that costly, and it at least leaves the user with options.
Another very major failing is that there is still no recognition of basic HTML tags like subscript or superscript in posts. Given that this site is nominally directed at nerds, that is just not good enough. If Slashdot really wants to follow the path of form before content, there should at least be an explanation.
I love it! This desgin is minamalist and just amazing.
It looks much better than the previous version and, so far, seems to run better.
It sucks, no login box on the fron page just a stupid pop up
The Header and Side bar scroll off the screen in IE8 while it sticks in Firefox 3.6,13
Shading, Rounding, Shadowing are in Firefox, but not in IE8
At the bottom in IE8 there is 'Today Yesterday Monday Sunday' and then it reverts to just 'Today' after the page finishes loading, in Firefox there is only 'Today'
"This screen intentionally left blank" at the bottom of the page - is that a joke?
"Many More" is not a button in IE8, in Firefox it is.
Slashdot Poll. Recent Tags, YRO, etc. has the close X in the title bar, IE does not.
Was this tested in IE8 at all?
On an old Firefox 1.5.0.12, this site is almost unusable. The left menubar covers most of the top of the screen, hiding all but the last inch or so of text. Scrolling the text leaves all but that small bit readable, so you will never be able to see the first story. If you manage to get into a story, the menu gets smaller width wise, but still covers the first several words of text on each line. Slashdot is now essentially unreadable using this browser.
Who would win this election: Andrew Weiner vs Andrew Weiner's weiner.
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The main page has no stories on it, only a link to this story. This page itself has text bleeding into other stuff on the left side of the page. And here I thought that idle was as bad as it was going to get. At the very least this stuff should be optional, instead of forcing a redesign coded by inept monkeys on us.
I know I am new here, but I could not find any links to TFA on any of the front page stories. Only after much searching did I realize that all the standard visual indicators are gone.
- No underlines on the links
- hyperlink color is very close to regular text color (in fact on my crappy monitor they are indistinguishable)
I realize this may not hinder many readers of this fine site, but some of us actually do follow the links!
I really don't have anything meaningful or constructive to add but with over 1500 posts I just didn't want to be left out. BTW progress doesn't always suck, and I really like the cool Retro simple layout.
once more into the breach
So, can I still auto give "Funny" an additional +2 comments for me? so I can keep my threshhold high and still see the stupid funny stuff?
I can program myself out of a Hello World Contest!!
You'll have to excuse me for now reading all 1500 comments before I post, but...
On my work computer running Firefox 3.6.13 on Windows XP:
1. Classic Discussion (D1) is missing borders around posts.
2. Once you switch to Interactive Discussions (D2), it is impossible to switch back to Classic Discussions; it's not saving that preference when you click Save in the options screen.
3. Sliding the comment slider from 0 to -1 doesn't remove the slider image at 0, so you end up with two sliders.
GLaDOS for President 2016! "Well here we are again. It's always such a pleasure." -- GLaDOS, 2011
I'm rather upset that the older stories section is gone from the right side bar. That was a really nice, quick and easy way to glance through the stories from the weekend or any other day that I missed and see if there were any headlines I wanted to explore further.
Along the same lines, whatever happened to the xkcd link that used to be over there. I noticed that and the other links around it disappeared a couple months ago, and haven't had anywhere to bitch about that.
When I load any story, the initial screen I see has roughly 1/4 of the page with blank white. There's FAR too much dead space between the little meta sections "share this", "has x comments" "may also like to read" etc on the left, and the threshold control on the right. PLEASE consider doing the meta sections in a multi column layout so that it doesn't waste so much space. Or, even more ideally, give me the option of turning most of them off. I want an information dense page. Clean layout is a great thing, I want to find that information...but clean does not need to mean lots of wasted space.
My only criticisms:
Slashdot supports Unicode. It just has a strict whitelist of what codepoints are allowed so that control characters (now known or hereinafter created). See my previous comments on the issue.
Looks horrible. Great job.
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The hyperlink green is hard to distinguish from the normal black making it difficult to tell where the link to the article is located.
But then I realized the cable was blue, so I only gave it one star. I hate blue.
RSS Feed is a lot worse.. Bunch of white space in comments and just looks malformed. Also, the site seemed very slow in chrome especially when using the fancy new comment ratings slider.
A bit slow scrolling on my FF 3.6.13 on CentOS 5.5 with dual Core2s at 2.4Ghz, but I assume that'll be rectified in due time. It'll take some getting used to, but in general I like it. Keep up the good work!
You are not the customer.
Bring back the original. First Google News, then Youtube and now this S H I T
Trying to become famous by taking photos. Visit my homepage please.
Thank you for pushing me off the fence. I've been skipping more and more Slashdot articles in my RSS reader, finding it harder and harder to read the crap that is posted, and this just made it even more painful. Deleting you from Google Reader now, so long, farewell, and all that jazz...
may I just point out that this is the third design of slashdot and hence only the second redesign?
Looks like crap. Go back to the v1.0 interface. There is way too much wasted space in this design. It's like the IGN Boards redesign. If it stays this way I will be abandoning /. the same way I abandoned IGN.
-==- Buy a Mac and leave me alone!
My first reaction was "Eugh! Horrible!". Then I used a couple suggestions to get rid of the floaties, and now I can say it is the best /. yet!
The default layout on Slashdot has been completely unbearable for the past few years, but with the simple/low-bandwidth option it has been somewhat tolerable. I guess now the only option is to use w3m or some other textmode browser.
What is it with all the white space? As display resolutions increase, do we need to add white space to keep the amount of text in the screen constant? Or could we actually make some use of the resolution?
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
ouch, too heavy for me, finally time to look for something else. hell i can barely even write this.. oh well
The new theme is a welcomed refresh to the site, but I can't say that it impresses or aggravates me in any way. The fixed position stuff doesn't really bother me, either. Thought it might be an issue on my laptop, but it wasn't.
It also performs quite well on my single-core PC running Ubuntu 10.10 using both Chrome and Firefox 3.6. Now, if the site was strewn with embedded flash objects, then I would probably be in rage mode. So long as that doesn't happen, I'm happy.
Finding God in a Dog
Why can't this site just use the same simplicity as 1.0? The problem with this site, as is the problem with Digg, is that people enjoy the simple instead of the over-engineered. Craigslist? Reddit? Basic is always better. KISS, mao
Good to see that Slashdot preserved the Borg implant on Bill Gates' mug! For a moment, I was really worried about that.
If you set the text size to any but too tiny to read, the box on the left (stories, recent, etc) cuts off the first word or few of everything.....don't you guys test at all? Believe it or not, we're not all 13 years old and some of us have to + to get readable text! That's borked now.
Why guess when you can know? Measure!
On my IE7 machine - loading the site actually crashes IE (right after giving me the 'stop running scripts on this page') message.
Before I get flamed too much, this is a work system and I can't load FF.
I liked it yesterday better. This is too big, too spaced out, and crappy.
Athiesm is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby.
Seems old slashdot let me find my old comments; by getting to my comments page and hitting next/next/next.
I was also able to archive them using wget.
With this Ajaxy interface; it seems like I can only see my most recent few dozen comments; not the hundreds I made in the last decade.
Didn't really help.
On my computer, I got on old version of SeaMonkey (1.1.18), and the new design doesn't display correctly.
Does it use html 5.0 ?
What a shame
I can't thank you enough! I have limited vertical screen real estate, and I really hate how floating menus steal what little I have from me. Sites that have them installed don't get my pageviews.
I really was considering never coming here again until I read your post! Hopefully they will make it permanent.
Man is the animal that laughs.
And occasionally whores for Karma.
That wasn't very nice, outing the poor people that put this monstrosity together. They'll never find work again!
As long as this means quicker posts, and less lag when opening up more then one story on web browser, this was draw back of /., hope its corrected
You can still use the classic comment system under comment prefs, thank God; the ajaxy comment system bothers the hell out of screenreaders. Doing that will probably speed up your pages and get wget pulling all of your comments again. Slashcode is the only system that manages to screw up something Wordpress, Drupal, and everyone else in the world got right. I've found sites where I couldn't post comments for accessibility reasons, but slashdot is the only one where I can't read comments without a settings change. *sigh* Anyway, my ranting aside, once you go back to the classic comments system, the new layout is really nice, fast, and uncluttered.
tired of online ads?
I think pretty much every update Slashdot gets more unusable. All I want out of this site is a clean way to browse stories and read and write comments.
Agreed, the header and left side boxes waste space for little used functions. Even worse, there is 1/4" of gray space wasted as border around the entire page!
Harder to read, smaller text, wasted space, does not display properly in RSS readers due to the fixed left panel.
If I can't scan & read in RSS, I don't bother!
Every time I click the "Get (number) More Comments" button, the page scrolls up higher than it was. Of course, if I hit end, I'll end up lower than I was. Grr!
Firefox 4.0b10, Windows 7
Weird. I'm simulating "logged out" by disabling cookies. When logged in, the "X comments" doesn't even appear in the HTML source for the page.
Give that a try. No slashboxes are visible on my end while logged in. When logged out (cookies disabled), I get the Slashdot Poll, Recent Tags, Interviews, Book Reviews, and Freshmeat.net Releases.
I don't have a fix for missing post counts while logged in, but if your slashboxes are missing, I think I have a fix.
With Javashit disabled, the "Options" thing in the (annoying floating) toolbar goes to this prefs page. With Javashit enabled, clicking the "Options" thing in the (still just as annoying floating) toolbar brings up a shaded menu with a bunch of new settings, including a layout setting that had (for some unknown reason) marked Slashboxes as disabled. Clicking on the thingy to enable slashboxes worked.
My "layout" setting was Small screen-unchecked, Low bandwidth-unchecked, simple design checked.
TL;DR: if Javashit is disabled, the options thing in the floating toolbar goes to an unpredictable URL. On one tab, it goes to http://slashdot.org/prefs/exclusions, on this tab it goes to http://slashdot.org/faq/UI.shtml#ui700
Enable Javashit, load the main page, click on "options" (and do not open it in a new tab, and you'll see an alpha-blended UI thing appear overtop of the main page. That UI is the one that has a Layout tab that can be used to restore your missing Slashboxes.)
The web links in the original posts are completely invisible. Please underline them.
The top green bad (Slashdot/Search/Feedback/Submit Story/Options/Account//Log out is on top of the text of the page. This is with Firefox 3.6.13 on Fedora 8 with Flashblock and Adblock Plus. If you load the a page, the green bar is on the top. Then hit space or page down to move down a page of text. The bar is covering the top of the line, so I loose 2 lines of text and need to scroll back up 2 lines every time.
Just remember - if the world didn't suck, we would all fall off.
The white bar off to the side is covering up the first few words of each story.
It is really annoying to retrieve more comments due to the way the button needs to be clicked repeatedly.
If I close a story tab and re-open it, the number of comments has reset and I have to click "Get x More Comments", scroll down, click "Get x More Comments", scroll down, click "Get x More Comments", scroll down, click "Get x More Comments", scroll down, etc. all over again.
Also I tried to post as AC again too soon, and got
"This comment will not be saved until you click the Submit button below.You must wait a little bit before using this resource; please try again later.
Prove yourself: (image of captcha) (mp3 link)
"
The "You must wait a little bit before using this resource; please try again later." was so out of the way I didn't notice it for a while and thought I was just having some glitch.
Also I just had some really weird glitch with the text entry box here in Firefox 4.0b10. After I had enough lines entered, it showed what looks like the edge of some slashdot border, along with the text "recent" below it somewhere.
new interface doesn't render correctly under firefox2, which I'm still using because of general ff3 suckiness (10 seconds to crash) and compat testing.
it would be nice (at a minimum) if the floating select div could be minimized or closed, since it overlaps text
The 'Slashdot' logo doesn't stand out well enough. It looks very small next to the search input and winds up getting lost. Also, I'd argue that the search is far too close to the logo - the logo should have adequate exclusion zones.
Perhaps a possible solution would be to center the search in the middle, similar to what the BBC websites used to do. Or, perhaps by making the search a bit smaller (height-wise), so as to not overtake/dilute the brand.
Given the audience and content, I am amazed that Slashdot is not iPhone friendly, before it was annoying on an IPhone, now it is unusable. I think I will syndicate and reformat Slashdots news on my own server, for my own consumption. Website compatibility fail.
I hated the last layout with a passion. The horrible thingy on the left side where you could chose how many comments were hidden was so illogical and unclear. This is much much better. Kudos, /. team! I've been coming here since 1995 and I'm still not bored :)
-- Cheers!
Slashdot is now, even more, broken on my mobile. I use an android phone with the default browser and the left nave menu keeps jumping to the middle of the screen covering up most of the content. I can no longer read slashdot on my phone... which was my primary slashdot viewing platform. I would often read while in the john or standing in line waiting for food at a restaurant. I wish that you would consider mobile devices in your redesigns and also eliminate as much of this javascript as possible. Why are we going back to frame like web pages with all of these floating headers and junk. There is a reason that it died off. This is just a slower implementation of them.
I've asked for a refund on the remainder of my subscription. The site is ugly and unusable now. I'll just have to get tech news from other sources. Too bad; i enjoyed Slashdot for many years.
----- "I'm still sane on three planets and two moons."
While the sizes of the logo, text etc. has been decreased (to good effect), the share buttons are inexplicably large. Maybe a strip of these icons and the tags can go in the same line? Otherwise, I don't have a problem with the whitespace or web 2.0 stuff.
the visual design is worse; definitely way too much white space. It's also not really fresh; at first look it looks like you just re-skinned the existing design with different fonts and boxes. text has a minimum width rather than flowing when i narrow my browser. That width is wider than optimal for easy reading. I'm blown away that you override default font sizes. un-f-ing believable. On the non-negative side, I don't notice the bloat or any performance issues that others have mentioned. I have plenty of bandwidth, and i am not using noticeable CPU (safari/osx/core2-2.4).
Gone are the days where the source articles are clearly linked on the frontpage ... it makes me sad.
Also the white is blindingly bright.
Usually redesigns take a while to get used to, and I'm willing to give it a chance, but these two things really need to change.
TOTAL FUCKING FAILURE IN IE8 (chrome my normal browser seems fine, except excess white space).
Firefox 3.6.8 : Cannot see top menu at all.
I like the clean up a lot. Most of the site is a lot easier on the eyes.
That said, as a UX designer, my one nit is the text wrapping.
The huge center columns are, and have been, a little hard to read. Eyes have a hard time tracking across really long sentences. It would be nice they wrapped sooner for users with large browser windows. Really long lines of text are kind of typography / page layout no-no.
Aside from that, nice work!
Congrats!
"Things are more moderner than before- bigger, and yet smaller- it's computers-- San Dimas High School football RULES!"
Please can we have black text. This grey color text is so difficult to read! It ruins the whole experience. Otherwise the new design is excellent.
Actually... this one looks way better and useable than the previous one. I can live with it.
return $sig;
I won't read all the posts.
When I enlarge fonts so I can actually see the page the left margin and several characters disappear underneath the left navigation idiot thingy.
I like the increased spacing, but bring back the old graphics. YRO just doesn't look great anymore with the new look.
Meta Moderation page is completely broken - no + or - buttons rendered.
Also, what's with the genocidal "kill all the lawyers" quote at the bottom of the screen?
If I wanted a warm and fuzzy hate site, I'd go to stormfront.
I guess no one cares that openid is gone as a login option. I will not mention it, then.
Their they're doing there hair.
It''s awful. Yesterday I could browse slashdot happily. Today I look at it in disbelief, how could one update make such a difference to my browsing experience. It's almost as if . . . . . Oh, my bad, I loaded up Internet Explorer by mistake. So, the Slashdot layout has changed huh?
Is this thing on?
The new design sucks like a tornado.
This is the first site that may force me to routinely use FireFox's "View->Page Style->No Style" option in order to view the content.
Pretty sad.
CUR ALLOC 20195.....5804M
The new interface breaks too many things.
Some examples:
1) If I missed several days of /. browsing (due to a vacation, etc.) I could always navigate to the pages displaying submissions for the days I missed.
Can't do that now. It's the "many more" button now, that I have to click who knows how many times, and if I actually click on an article, I have to repeat the process when I navigate back.
2) The floating bar breaks the page up/down functionality by making sure that the content scrolls more than the visible window.
3) The left sidebar takes up valuable screen real estate, especially on a 4:3 screen (I have 2 4:3 monitors at work) and I don't know how to remove it.
4) My score adjustments are gone. I often browse at +3 applying a -2 modifier to "Funny" and a +1 modifier to ACs. Now my preferences are not taken into account.
5) The settings are cryptic. The "help" is an insult.
6) The "Slashdotter" add-on "reply to this text" functionality no longer works.
There are probably more surprises that I'll run into. All in all, the user experience is noticeably worse than the "classic" UI I used to use. I understand that for some people it is an improvement but taking away the other option is like FireFox removing the status bar or Google Maps removing the option to name locations.
Of course nothing will be done about it since nobody at Geeknet gives a flying fuck about what I feel, as I am not paying their salaries.
not to belabor the point, but the amount of unused blank space is ... astounding. Please fix that -- it looks too unbalanced and bare.
I can still see it long after I look away
Hi I really miss the possibility to use the firefose collapsing style for the stories page. I like headhunting slashdot articles, then opening up the heading I am interesting to read a bit more about it, before I decide to click on through.
axi.
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You don't get it, it is a contest. On who can produce the best greasemonkey script to fix this horror. The winner will get an all web 2.0 no plain html, no unicode, fixed with frames for the rest of his/her life.
I personally think that a fixed menu bar is cool, but it should auto-hide, leave 1 or 2 pixels just to let us know that it exists, and also forget about the margins around the body, that's pointless and only looks good when in maximized/full screen windows which are less and less used as people acquire better and larger displays.
Actually I liked more the old style but I recognize that you need to change things every once in a while and it "ain't that bad".
Plus Slashdot is really all about typing "/.dotorg" on the URL bar and the amazing content.
Is it just me, or has the Facebook 'share this story' link/icon gone? How am I supposed to share the Slashdot word to my friends on Facebook now?
mobile device interface - completely unusable.
desktop browser - almost unbearable.
Before I could double tap to zoom the nicely columised text to fit full width on the screen. Now the full width of the scfeen is already all the text so I can't zoom in and cant read it anymore. Unless i hold it landscape but that sucks.
I don't like the border, I don't like the excessive amount of whitespace, I don't like it.
I'm sure I'm not the first to say this is the iphone mobile version looks horrible...
Well, nobody will ever read this post but I will complain anyway.
I want that stupid left and top frame to scroll with the page. I *hate* it when a site wastes space like that. Why can't it be the default, or at least an option? In fact, I *never* use anything in the left "frame" at all... can't we optionally get rid of it completely?
The developers of the site should be FORCED to use the site for a week on each of:
1) Thin client- remote X over 100 Mbs to a host
2) 800 Mhz or less single CPU system
3) 800x600 monitor
Not a fan...
The site is now looks kind of ugly. TO MUCH whitespace and whatnot. Things looks to bubbly too...
On an iPhone the subject line of the first article is cut off. Also, the text is way too small. I can zoom the page of course, but then I'm scrolling right to left all the time. Also, sorry if this has already been posted as there doesn't seem to be an easy way to see all comments so I can search for posts with "iPhone" in them.
I had just customized V2 for the first time to not have the side bars so I could keep the window fairly small. With this V3 I can't find index customizations and while I have no slash-boxes there is still screen space reserve for them.
If anyone happens to know the setting to change I would appreciate it. Else I leave this comment as a possible missing feature.
Momento Mori
The new design shows up as a complete fustercluck in Internet Explorer 6, which is sadly the only browser I can use at work. Had to wait till I got home to post this comment! Oh well.
I love how that white space on the left over laps the center by a good half an inch.
Bye slashdot.
Geeks have no business doing design.
Baaw whitespace? Whitespace is good, folks.
Oh, and it's 2011. Time to stop browsing at 640x480 on a thrice-damned 15" monitor.
The Slashdot search / feedback / submit story / login / join banner covers part of the text content on the page. When you hit page up or page down, the first line of the next page is hidden beneath that banner and you have to scroll up a few lines to see it. Very annoying. This happens on the latest Google Chrome and the latest Firefox on Windows 7, 64-bit edition. Please fix this CSS glitch! The content shouldn't appear beneath the top banner on the page!
It's ugly, it's awkward, it has a floating top "banner" that blocks me being able to see the top half of the article I'm reading. It sucks. Change is bad. Go back.
K.
Strip Cf
Consider this scenario:
Hi all.
If you're running Stylish, here's a real quick'n'dirty style to hide the floating top-bar:
-- cut here --
@namespace url(http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml);
@-moz-document domain("slashdot.org") {
header { display: none; }
}
-- cut here --
I'll likely refine this the more I use the new Slashdot. My goal is to approximate the /. 1.0 look.
Mummy... why is that software developer hurting slashdot?
I'm using firefox 2.0.0.8 at work. (Not under my control.)
The floating title bar obscures the left side of the window and I can't get it to go away. I can't read my own configuration page, let alone tweak it if there WERE some way to switch back to "classic" (which I DID have selected to avoid the LAST redesign.)
This is unusable. (I'm largely poking in the dark to post this comment.)
Geez, guys. Don't you at least TRY, ONCE, to view your revisions with older browsers before going live?
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Badly broken under firefox 2.0.0.x. Floating white block on left side overlays the stories, making them unreadable. There's this tiny window at the very bottom. But 2/3 of the screen is unusable.
I know I need to upgrade out of the dark ages, but there are a lot of dependencies to rebuilding firefox on this ancient machine. Soon, in another year or 2, it will be replaced with new hardware... Until then, I suffer.
that is all.
Guys, what are you smoking? This isn't even funny.
I feel so sig.
* So we no longer have a slider/get-more box on the left? We have to go to the top or bottom of the page to do this, thus losing our place?
* Apparently we can no longer revert to classic commenting system?
* So our eyes now burn with all this white space?
* Do form fields really need beveled edges, shadows, etc?
* What's with the header at the top always being there? Does it serve any purpose?
I recently discovered the option on the last redesign that disabled all the rubbish. I LIKED having a functional "Back" button on my browser. If I quickly want to take a look at an article from two days ago, I would much rather click it and hit back, rather than opening up a new tab for it behind all the other tabs I opened for interesting articles. It is also nicer than clicking "Back" and then needing to skip the main page back two days because it bloody resets on me. What did the back button ever do to you? What did individual links for each day's posts and pages ever do to you? Why the hell does it need to default to the front page of slashdot.org everytime I click back? Now it's worse, because I have to scroll down and wait for this fucking Ajax shit to load after I click a button... Argh.
I'm not sure why exactly, but something about this design is really straining my eyes. I'm in my 20's, with 20/20 vision, no colorblindness...there's just something that isn't working, but it's hard to identify without seeing the previous design side-by-side. Seems like it has to do with the titles of the articles and comments...maybe the font is harder to read? Maybe it needs more vertical space? Maybe the font-weight or color is off?
Goddammit, Taco. Why the hell can't I use the classic discussion system without logging in? I can't always be logged in. WTF?! To post this, I enable scripts for /. & fsdn, and above this box is a button "Get 1789 more comments" -- so, to view the comments toward the end, I have to go through *~36* more page loads to get to 'em? oh, I see, I can just change the comment prefs to >50/page -- ALL I HAVE TO DO IS LOG IN!!!!
c'mon, guys. classic discussion system, you know: plain jane, no frills, choose your threshhold and nested or flat, then have x number of pages to view. Straight forward. Easy to follow. You have no idea how this f***ed up re-design of this site hinders its readability for people like me who have reading disabilities (and can't always be logged in or on a fast connection). I been round these parts since ~xmas '97/early '98. It saddens me that I very well could be left out in the cold here. PLEASE, BRING BACK THE CLASSIC DISCUSSION SYSTEM WITH NO SCRIPTS/LOGINS REQUIRED, ETC. -- PLAIN OL' ACCESS TO INFORMATION -- PLEASE!
"Provisional Patent Application" costing more than $110 to file, the idea for hashstamp-world may have been inspired by the old-style inability to edit/delete slashdot journal-entries/comments. The lone inventor's nightmare, the big company claim "Anyone could have thought of that, in fact, we were Just Getting Around To That.". In hashstamp-world, you would routinely "file" the hashes of your efforts, making "Prior Art Claims" nearly free.
So for the NEXT iteration of slashdot, for a fee, you could allow locking a Journal Entry against modify/delete.
Journaling the hash of your self-portrait and thus locking it would allow resolving password-stolen-claims, while maintaining anonymity in the meantime.
3 comments per screen. That's a pretty useless waste of space. I guess /. days are numbered for me also. I'll watch via RSS and check in occasionally to see if things have changed. Been a great run. Bye for now.
Where'd the plus/minus signs for rating stories go? They're still described in the FAQ but I don't see them. Or is something wrong with my browser?
http://slashdot.org/faq/firehose.shtml
The subject tabs (left panel) seem terribly important to slashdot; they would not have broken things otherwise if they didn't think so.
But they surely enough data to give statistics:
What fraction of page views were reached by navigating through a subject tab?
Same question again, but take out "stories" and "recent"?
If either answer is below 5% then the current page is just inefficient.
In other criticisms:
a) way, way, way too much whitespace (does _anyone_ disagree?)
b) _someone_ at slashdot clearly thought "hey, if we control the users font and font size, we can make things easier for ourselves". Whoever thought and/or approved or this is just too far out of it to hope that they are going to take any useful suggestions on board. This is just some new level of "just doesn't get it" which is fairly unexpected for slashdot.
You can still use the classic comment system under comment prefs,
;-) hidden somewhere that I can't find.?
So where are these "comment prefs" hidden? I've found that I can't locate very many of my account settings any more. Poking at the Options, Accout, or login ID links at the top get me some config pages, but nothing that lets me pick the comment system (or set my mod thresholds or other useful settings).
Also, if this is like my previous comment, my <i>italics</i> tags won't be interpreted, but will be displayed as-is. The previous comment had a little menu to select plain text, HTML, or Extrans (whatever that is); I'd used HTML and that displayed the tags rather than interpreting them, so I next tried Extrans, and that did the same thing. But this reply box doesn't have that menu, only the "Preview", "Quote Parent" and "Options" buttons, plus a "Cancel" link.
This is sorta confusing; my settings seem to be changing behind the scene even if I can't find them to change them myself.
I wonder if there's a user manual ("Slashdot for Dummies"?
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
SOooo BROKE WTF???? Chrome, Mozilla and IE9 Beta on Win764 bit. poorly redndered - shit UX. Where's the re-tweet from homepage??? WTF???
The stationary header or whatever it's properly called is driving me CRAZY. Of all the things about this I hate it the most. Honestly, I miss the TNR font and the look and feel of the old design (not the one that was just replaced, but the 2000-2006 era or however long it was around)
the Political Inquirer
This design is so brand new and shiny! It worries me.
The RSS feed is seriously problematic in Google Reader.
Personally I did not like the previous design much, it was bulkier and slower than its predecessor... The new design looks nimble and uncluttered. Good stuff indeed.
Can't use it on my iPhone 3GS - in order to get the text big enough to be readable, most of it goes offscreen, so I have to continually scroll way back and forth to read it. I *think* the "Small Screen" setting in Options could potentially help, but there is no "Save" button to apply my changes when I select it. Very disappointing.
I read slashdot a few days behind. How do I go to http://slashdot.org/index.pl?issue=20110117 without clicking "More" many times? Also, I magnify the page, and your left and top headers cut out some information in the comments. I would refer those guys not to stay on screen all the time.
I *always* browse at -1, and my "slider" is set to -1, but I only get the top comments. When I request "more" (all), I don't get extra messages! The threads are collapsed, although I've changed the settings.
And the more I've used /. today, the more I see that the Slashdot logo needs to go back to the larger size, for one; it's a /. *thing*! Don't go all "New Coke" on us, mmmkay?!
I also liked the +/- in the story headers to vote if the story is worthy or not. Not sure if the editors utilized our input or not, but I liked feeling like I had a say in which stories belonged here or not.
OTOH, there are usability improvements (I can type in textarea w/out issue now! YAY!).
I really can't stand this design. It's actually painful to use. Please consider reverting back to the previous design!
As the matter of fact, I like the design, just with few issues: 1) Fix the font color in text boxes: if the system's theme color is using light color for fonts (usually on dark themes) the result is very problematic to read (just right now for me!) 2) Bad alignment poll's options with FF on Linux: the text is below the radio button instead the right side. I don't know why people say the site is slow, actually it's much faster than previous.
I noticed 2 bugs that affects main page:
1. The top logo bar does not appear. In fact, it appears for 0.5 sec at loading and the suddenly disappears.
2. There's a horizonal scroll bar that obviously has no purpose (can be scrolled ~3px to the right) -> probably a padding miscalculation in css
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3. Not actually a bug but a annoyance: WAY too much white space, man
My system: Chrome 8, Win 7 x64
Iframe: Look, Div. Everything the white touches is our kingdom.
Young Div: Wow.
Iframe: A tag's time as ruler rises and falls like the sun. One day, Div, the sun will set on my time here, and will rise with you as the new tag.
Young Div: And this'll all be mine?
Iframe: Everything.
Young Div: Everything the white touches...
slashcode looks out of date...?
Of the 3 computers I use most often, I can only read Slashdot on one of them, my netbook.
IE8 at work is completely useless. no more break time visits.. For some strange reason all the articles are off screen to the right with only the left edge of them teasing me that Slashdot has stories.
My older Firefox on Ubuntu has about 80% of the screen overlaid with the menu that was on the left but now extends full width, with mostly white space. This leaves a small gap at the bottom of the browser window where the stories can be scrolled underneath the always on top box. This makes it impossible to read the top stores because they can't be scrolled down to the bottom of the page to see them below the box. I think I have Firefox 3.5 on that one.
Did anyone do browser compatibility studies? Not all of us have a choice of browser on employer hardware.
Being non functional on 2 out of 3 PC's is my immediate feedback on the new version of Slashdot.
If I didn't have a netbook, I would have assumed it wasn't working at all for anyone. It works for Firefox 3.6.12.
The truth shall set you free!
too much useless fluff. too much formatting and layout. too much script: client-side scripting (javascript) should be avoided where possible (and usually it is possible). Don't need the mouse-overs or gradient under the header etc. Keep font formatting basic. Ditch the full/abbreviated/hidden comment crap (if you keep the markup ultra small/simple it won't take long to download all comments). If its downloaded, show it. The more 80's the site looks the better IMHO. Even use a non-kerning ultra geeky terminal font. That will attract more nerds. If opinion is split, perhaps consider offering site format options. I'm only an amateur web developer though.
Unfortunately, with this change there *still* isn't a way to increase the text size for those of us with limited vision. CMD-+ increases the text on the entire page which just pushes stuff off the right edge.
i think i understand the design goal, i used to almost never RTFA, now with the annoying sidebar think RTFAing is my first choice
on a more positive note the singularity that does the captchas is still around, captcha: hilarity
Dear Slashdot,
it have been many interesting years but now there are too much javascript imports from far too much dubios sources too keep up the relationship. Who exactly is watching our conversation ?
thanks for fish
ths
the new design's quite good...personally i like the way the search bar moves down while scrolling... Only one complaint:why cant i share /. stories in fb now...it used to be there in the old design...
Its SUPPOSED to be "Protean". So, dont scoff. [if u didnt get what that was about then this wasnt meant for you]
Where is the "News for nerds stuff that matters"? Where is it. Why did you take it away?! I always read it to myself when I went on slashdot to have a happy reading, now It's gone and slashdot will never be the same again..
Good grief, man.
Please, how to disable this? My PC is 4 months old, nVidia graphics, and this site is sluggish ?!
No, this is not a good layout. The javascript is lagging the crap out of my computer, and disabling it makes the site look even worse. Seriously, go back to version 1. Do you even understand who is still reading your site? We don't need or want fancy javascript. We are terminal monkeys, we want content, not bells and whistles.
And the worst thing is that now I cannot load older issues. Like this one: http://slashdot.org/index.pl?issue=20100930 , this is actually the place where I am reading slashdot right now. You know, I don't have enough time, and I'm reading slashdot with a few months lag. Why this link stopped working? What the hell...
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Because of the toolbar at the top, page down scrolls too far (using latest Mozilla) so I keep on having to press page down then the arrow to go up a line or two that has been missed.
It's shitty on small screens (1024*768). Please let it die and make a new one. God, think of those of us who browse using a netbook or a laptop... Not everyone's got a 24" screen y'know.
As long as you don't redesign every second week I'll be happy.
Sure enough, the cow costume was hanging up next to the superhero outfit and sailors uniform. (S,Spud)
It hurts my eyes to look at - genuinely getting a headache here and I'm not one of those types who can see a monitor flickering or get a headache when watching 3d. Seeems waaayy too bright
pageup/down, 3-4 lines covered by floating title bar
preview took ~12 seconds
My italics tags don't even show, let alone, well italicize
Oh wait, I've got used to it already.
Come on, this must be an April fools joke released too early!
The site is unusuable without Javascript, can't even configure without JS, no way to switch back to classic layout, lots of broken links (at least w/o JS), and the usual boring "look Ma, I can do round corners, shadows and non-scrolling sections on my web 2.0 site" shit. There is one thing that everyone writing a web site should know in 2011: Javascript is OPTIONAL. Make sure the page works 100% without Javascript. And by the way: In 2011, you should be able to produce valid HTML, encoded in UTF8. Even when working with templates. Especially when you pretend that the site is HTML5.
Summary: Slashdot new design = BIG FAIL!
Tux2000
Denken hilft.
The new layout adds nothing to the content, and actually wastes a big bar of stuff at the top that won't scroll. Please have a button that says "PLAIN HTML TEXT" and then really just use PLAIN HTML TEXT for that version. That would have to be better for accessibility too. This way you get what you want (super eye-candy cpu-burning website version) and people who actually read the site get what they want (content, not eye-candy cpu-burning version). On the plain text version, don't waste 1/4 of the space for freshmeat or whatever; I know how to get to those sites already. Just put your slashdot stuff and that's it. Call the text version Slashdot LiteSpeed or something (it would be a LOT faster without all that CSS/GUI crap).
After a rash of ASCII Goatse posts, Slashdot administrators also want to discourage ASCII art.*
* Or $encoding art.
Ok, I'm now on firefox on another computer because I can't post comments in Internet Explorer. It simply hangs.
Bad job guys, very bad job.
I really liked seeing how many comments a story had while skimming the front page, can that option be put back?
Also, the Older Stories slashbox is not working anymore.
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"Every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a thief."
terrible. hate it. way too much whitespace between information.
inconsistent and unfriendly spacing of things. even on this comment page as I write 5 or 8 pixels above the "get more" button, 10 to 12 below want to get to the buttons below an actual comment? those are 25 to 35 pixels of whitespace away...
And the icons? What the hell is with that? Did you rip a bunch of sprites out of a NintendoDS cartridge? What's with cartoon-bill-gates-borg?
Honestly, this is shit. Quite obviously a case of design-by-programmers.
Go hire a designer for fuck's sake you've got an Alexa rank of #1200 globally, you can afford to spend a few thousand on an artist.
I like it, it's cool. Get back to the early HTML days of the internet.
Text, links, clean colours, plain graphics and effective pictures with a message.
What a mess created by an incompetent group of clowns. They don't test their code and three (3) days after they screw everything up to the point where the whole system is unusable... its still not fixed!
This is incompetence.
These bright light bulbs were not even smart enough to keep the old templates running! Clowns is too nice for them. Who ever heard of backward compatibility eh?
If I were managing /. they would have their walking papers immediately. But maybe this is why its still broken.
I just noticed that links to my user account no longer work, and non-ascii characters in my name are replaced with
Congratulations.
1) Launch Firefox
2) Go to home page.
3) Ctrl-+ 5 times to make body copy large and bold enough to actually read on 1024x768 12" laptop screen at age 45.
4) Note that, as on so many other websites, page flies apart in pieces, left topics sidebar *covering the body copy*.
Come *on* people. I expect this stupid horseshit from CNN or the Superficial.
I do *not* expect it from geeks.
GET THIS FIXED. PROMPTLY.
That is all.
The icons just don't look right, i.e. Borg Bill (for Microsoft) looks too cartoonish. Another problem is I cannot easily see what comments people make to my comments. My general complaint is this pervasiveness of javascript, motify look, etc. it's all lots of snappy presentation which usually precedes downward spiral in content (i.e. news media in general).
mfwright@batnet.com
Slashdot disrupted again my habits of reading this site with this redesign. You can't even get all the slashdot stories of a single day from the front page without clicking 3-4 times. I have solved this problem for now by using a script in crontab which grabs several pages of news once a day and reformats them to plain HTML. (look here if you want to do the same http://uglyduck.ath.cx/slashdot/). You can then open this minimalistic HTML file in any browser and read comments from there.
Unfortunatelly there is absolutely no way to get more than 50 comments from a story unless you log in. All the 'commentlimit' 'bytelimit' 'startat' parameters are ignored in D1 mode without a login (logins and cookies in lynx are just annoying). You may get the first 50 comments by passing the few recognized parameters like this: comments.pl?sid=nnnnnn&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=flat&no_d2=1&pid=0
I'll see how I can live with this 50 comments limit in the future (because there's no way I'll login every time I want to read /.) and if I find it unbearable I'll just give up on slashdot.
It would be great if the daily digest email were also upgraded. I read my /. in the evenings, when the daily digest is sent out. Seems the current design does not support HTML email effectively. HTML email normally relies on the client to handle word wrapping. Links are inline instead of being placed at the bottom of each email; if you want to see a link URL, simply hover over it. Surrounding article titles with a 'box' of dashes reminds one of a green screen.
I am a faithful reader, and appreciate the work it takes to put the information together. However, I normally only go to the /. web site every few months, whereas I read the email every day. What say some love is shown to HTML email?
Wow. I wasn't sure it was possible to have web code so bad it made Oracle's support pages look good. Guess it is.
And stupid looking too. What's with the cartoony lowest common IE user interface?
Slowest, worst code I've ever run into.
A number of years ago, a forum site I was on decided to add this giant left sidebar to their site, a bunch of people complained, the admin got butthurt and banned everyone who even so much as used the word "sidebar" in a post; it was kind of hilarious.
This new sidebar is way more irritating than that one was.
Also, I used to be able to tell what level a reply was on compared to its parent and children... not so much anymore.
I think the new look is very nice. Kudos. One thing that is missing in the new version is that the story summary is missing in the comments section. I generally fire up a tab for each story on the main page. In the mornings or after a particularly long spell, I might open 5 or 6 tabs. In the old edition, the story summary would be replicated at the top of the comments where I could read the story, and then read the comments. Sometimes I would go back and forth from comments to summary if there is something in the summary being discussed. Please bring back the story summary!
Looks like when submitting a comment, there is some missing css on the "Comment submitted" string. It still appears in 8 point (?) Times New Roman rather than a larger sans font that slashdot is using.
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100722 Firefox/3.6.8 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729)
Now I feel like an idiot. It turns out that the story is still there -- it's just that having clicked on the comments brings me to the start of the comments in that story. I just have to scroll up to see the summary. Clicking on the story headline brings me the whole shooting match .
Awesome.
Couldn't the problem with Office 2007 truncating news stories be corrected? Of all my subscriptions this only happens with Slashdot.
I love it! Thanks for all your hard work.
So you are saying
it is not just my
imagination
that I have to click a
million posts before I
can see your reply to mine.
Oh look! The lameness filter doesn't like my visual representation!
My first Journal Entry ever, in 8 years! http://slashdot.org/journal/365947/aphelion-scifi-fantasy-horror-poetry-webzine
Netbooks have little screen estate. You cannot see the left persisiting kolom in its whole, because it does not scroll. very annoying Also, the non-scolling bar at the top is eating screen estate. Very annoying
When zooming text, in comments (make the text bigger), the letters at left side disappear. Firefox 3.6.13 (windows and linux)
but its slow as fuck
I like the floating header and sidebar, because I can see the useful links wherever I am in the page. If I had a small monitor, it might come across as a waste of space, but it's fine for my situation. They don't seem to float on my phone, which is nice. More than a new regular interface, I think that Slashdot would benefit for a phone-optimized interface that takes effect when you visit with your phone. This interface doesn't seem much worse than the previous one on Android, but it is still pretty bad compared to websites that design specifically for phones.
This space reserved for administrative use.
Earlier, you could see in the summary how many comments an artikel had. Now I have first to click the whole artikel, to see how many comments an artikel has.
Would like to see the the number of comments in the summary.
The left menu bar on the title screens obscures the stories on the main page.
KUbuntu 8.04
FF 3.6.13
NoScript killing (addthis, google-analytics, and doubleclick.net)
If you went through the trouble of keeping the categories on the left-top region of the page. why did you not put the threshold slider there as well? It only makes sense to put it where it is always accessible because when you find a meaty discussion or if you have mod points and need to change the threshold settings, you need to scroll to the top then search for the part of the page you were previously reading.
Please consider moving the slider to the left where it is always visible.
Thanks!
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The old design was much more usable and had better colors. Where did the pink ponies go?
Somehow I don't think the designers really thought this through (what a surprise). Although it looks nice, there's a lot less utility in this new design.
love it guys, great job!
Hmmm...
No sir, I don't like it.
Bring back the original v1.0. This sucks. No offense.
It would be nice if the mobile CSS for the iPhone still worked too.
While I like the look of the design, limiting the depth of displayed replies is going to seriously cut down on the discussion factor. I wish they'd fix this.
Specifically, the spacing between elements is too big, and the new icons are oversized and ugly! Old icons in a downloadable archive plzthx?!
Even comments made since the new system came out have the same problem - when you go to look at your comment, you're taken to the top of the thread... and have to click through every comment between the top and you. Nuts.
Looks okay on a Blackberry with OS 5.0.*. Why is it 300KB to load? That strikes me as excessive. Remember, some of us have bandwidth plans.
Finding God in a Dog
"author bars" = posted by line on a story, or the by line of a comment.
Gray text on a slightly lighter gray background makes me sad, and it's kinda hard to read.
Then you have to sift through all the stupid "frist p0st" and goatse trolls - it defeats the whole purpose of moderation. What we had before was way more useful.
Since I've been using the no script addon for firefox, slashdot never worked right, but everything works just fine now.
It works.
I honestly never thought a change was necessary to begin with.
Unreadable On an iphone
Try navigating through the threads by the s and d keys. It does not work.
The first thing I look at in the morning is Slashdot. I honestly thought your site got hacked and someone was totally screwing up the look of the site my messing with the CSS data. But, to my surprise my worst fears had been confirmed, the new look was intentional. Just can't find anything aesthetically pleasing about the site now. The over abundant bright white against an almost black dark green header with vast amounts of white space that almost strains the eye. If you guys tested this on a control group or something, I don't think they gave you good feedback, especially given all the criticism that I see on the posts above mine. The last time you did a look/feel change you offered the users to "test" the new site before it went live. I would have hoped you would have learned from that experience that doing a trial run can give a huge amount of feedback both positive and negative from the very users that rely on your site. Let's hope you can quickly rectify what I think is a huge step backward in usability and aesthetics.
Design is hosed. Left margin off screen.
Holy shit is this ever bad. Stuff blocking other stuff. Controls that don't work. Wasted space. Did these guys even try this thing out on a few common browsers? I'm using a somewhat older version of Firefox here and the rendering of these pages is just trash. I shudder to think what this will look like when I get home and try it under Opera...
what happened to link to facebook???
I too think there's way too much white space and the text is designed for 10-year-olds' vision, not adults'. The other reported issues on the AJAX stuff is also true: the submission text boxes are too small, and there's weird behavior such as when i tried to zoom using Command-+ this window simply went away. And they often load slowly on my three-year-old MacBook Pro.
But more than the poor design and problematic technology, Slashdot has lost its sense of dynamism and community -- its soul. The color rankings are sorely missed, as they gave a sense of what the community thought of submissions (regardless of what the editors thought). Now all submissions are undifferentiated. And submissions disappear very fast, and who knows how to find them without the old ability to filter by color/popularity. So anyone who wants to explore stories had better check fast and often, because they disappear really fast and who knows why. (Maybe that was the goal: force more camping on the Recent page?) Also, lots of stories can't be voted on -- why?
Basically, the new Slashdot feels like a cold place in which to make a submission in and then leave, not to actually explore or use as a reader.
Looks like it breaks IE6, user comments do not show up at all, so I can't view it at work, I hope Slashdot likes the fact that I don't see their ads anymore. At least at work I don't have an ad blocker, so...
Sucks double ass on droid. Left whitespace overlap, image icon position, slow.
Amateurs. You suck BBCs.
why no share to facebook?
Your new design SUX Rocks! This comment box doesn't even fit on my screen. It's a good thing you tested this design to make sure handicapped people can read your pages. Where's the secure login? I'm not getting a little lock telling my super secret hush hush password is being securely transmitted. I guess I have to go Anonymous Coward mode, not that the site is very usable this way anyway. Can't even read all that I'm writing! Not to mention the text is scrolled off the screen in a way that I can't scroll to actually read it all if I wanted to! Love that QC! God, how LAME!
It looks bad in IE8 on a big desktop monitor (improperly positioned flory things and text too small). It looks bad on my iPhone (columns too wide, text too small). It eats CPU and is slow in firefox (and the layout is still bad). Looks like another site I don't need to visit until the old form is restored.
When I click on a comment, I'm brought to a page with a Gear, a Magnifying Glass, and a comment count. How do I make the comment (that I want to comment on) appear so I can see the comment in context? I suspect the goal of the redesign is toward a cleaner, more Google-y appearance. But this comes at the expense of requiring more clicks just to view a low-ranked (low-modded) comment and reply.
Now what was that famous quotation again about clean desktops and the mental states of their owners?
Digging it!
Where did the click thingies go where one could select the fresh/funny/interesting and +/- stuff?
Nope, I think you mistook me for someone else.
Hope, this time finally this silly icon with Bill Gates as a cyborg, will gone and will be replaced with something else...
FF3/Ubuntu: pressing spacebar to page down (or pgdown) doesn't leave the bottom 5% on the top of the page
I have visited slashdot several times a day for years, but I'm switching to RSS, the new layout is too annoying. I actually took the time to look for a setting to fix the appearance, but there is none. Too much whitespace, not enough contrast, annoying bar at the top, the more stories button messes up constantly, reading a story in a new tab scrolls down automagically, rather than starting at the top. Just so awful. FAIL.
A major usability fuck up is this: a collapsed thread only lists the number of hidden comments one level down. So it looks like no-one has replied to a reply. Big bad. I want to know where the replies are at all levels down or that there are more to look for.
you had a site that needed some improvement in the white space department. But the thing is the look you had before was the right balance, on mobile devices and on big screens.. and now you want to turn it into a mobile only layout? If it aint broke, dont fix it.
The main page no longer lists the number of comments.
No 'yesterday' news?
Comments spilling way right off the monitor on the 1600x1200 resolution? WTF?
Slashdot going backwards in functionality.
When you increase the font size in Chrome, the text in comments goes over the right edge of the window and disappears.
I thought the text wrapping problem was solved somewhere in the 1970's.
Is there a way to manually fix this, some external style file for Chrome or something?
I don't think it looks half bad.
It looks rather bad in my Nokia e5-00 browser which until the recent changes displayed ./ just fine.
before, i had old stories block in the right hand sidebar once i logged in. now it's gone. regression, i'd say :)
also, tag icon lacks any alt text or something - not visible when browsing with images off (gprs..)
on the plus side it looks like tags finally work in opera, which they didn't for years, so i just ignored them.
Rich
arrgh. i can't my previous post on this (that "get n more comments" button is not lovely enough to click it 20 times). i just hope somebody reads all of them...
then...
wtf with the top bar ? i want to get RID OF IT. if i press spacebar to scroll down the page and read comments, it results in missing parts onscreen. in old design (or was that old-old ? i think i skipped old-new because it was dog slow and terribly buggy) i could at least hide it with that arrow button - ok, it appeared again after refresh and in general was terribly annoying, but... at least i could temporarily kill it.
also, how do i metamod ? i even loaded all the images on that page, something i don't do by default, and i just don't see how to use the page.
Rich
...using all kind of state-of-the-art HTML/CSS, by dozens of people, writting thousands of line of code, my login name which is Frédéric is now displayed Fr?d?ric in the header and on my control panel, because I guess it is too difficult, in 2011, to display accentuated characters...
"Science will win because it works." - Stephen Hawking
Way too much whitespace, and extremely sluggish all the way around. Harder to navigate. Site lags badly when I try to use the scroll wheel to scroll down (Firefox 4b10 on WinXP). I've resorted to reading /. on an RSS reader because the site is so unusable.
Drags my machine at work to a halt.... so much wasted screen real estate... useless design elements take up space and convey no useful information. How was this seen as an improvement? It's not.
If you have changed your minimum font size or zoomed with "Text Only" (i.e. got anything approaching legible text on a high-resolution display without making all the images go fuzzy), the left margin overlaps the body text and you can't read anything. This effects all major browsers except Chrome and has serious accessibility implications.
welcome our new /. themeverlord
as for complaints of "too much white" and "ooowww white... my eyes..."
i'm on a calibrated monitor with the luminance set at about 100 cd/m^2
looks fine....
turn down your damned monitors....
The comment summaries delegated to grey boxes, y'know, because they don't rank high enough to be important, take up WAY too much space. Comment previews still take a disgusting amount of time to render. But at least I can cut and paste in comments now (using Chrome).
Man, what a bunch of whiny, entitled, douchebags.
Slashdot came up and worked fine for me, so that tells me one of two things:
1) I have tweaked my settings somehow and made it non-default in such a way that it looks good.
But I don't do much customization here, which tells me that the 'broken-ness' of the site is only a tweak or two away (by the developers or the masses).
or
2) Your weirdo, customized-to-the-hilt setup is to blame.
Either way, it's not the end of the world, a personal attack on you, or a result of complete incompetence.
Geez. Go take a walk.
I don't often F11 firefox to run it in fullscreen mode but I have to now with slashdot. Too much whitespace is one thing then there is the immovable-without-voodoo bar across the top which take me back to the "glory" days of frames. Even the /. poll doesn't fit onto the screen any more.
Ah well.
Indeed. Those buttons seem to have disappeared from the whole site.
Visual IRC: Fast. Powerful. Free.
I have to say, that while the overall layout may appear nicer, neater, whatever, I still think the lighter-weight older versions served my needs adequately without taking advantage of all the additional bandwidth either in the pipe or in my boxen: in short, leaner and meaner is preferable. It wasn't busted as far as this simpleton was concerned.
cheers...ank
Still hoping for Gentle Treatment...
New design adds unneeded new lines, and the comment section has no outline. Now it's hard to scroll in lifrea rss reader. Annoying. Screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/1YWD8.png
Took some hunting, but found it eventually:
1. Go to the front page, find your Account link on the right hand side - you can't use those stupid ajaxy boxes, there's no option there. That should take you through to:
http://slashdot.org/my/preferences
2. Under "Discussions", click "Viewing"
3. Click on the button saying "Switch to classic discussion system D1"
Hope that's helps!
Love the look, Fresh. Whitespace looks good to me.
I have the Firehose box at the top, just below my userbox, and the Firehose box is shifted significantly to the right. Much of the headlines are not visible.
The "Many More" link is uhh... silly. Put it in isolation. What does "Many More" mean???
Should be an CALL TO ACTION, or it should be in context. "Get More Articles", "Fetch more headlines", etc
If you want to kill the javascript crud you can install NoScript or follow directions at Allowing only certain sites to use JavaScript
I would like to see the "Home" button at the bottom come back.
I frequently read all stories ending up at the bottom, and then want to refresh and go back to the top.
The "Home" button worked perfect for this.
I'm not reading all 2000+ comments so this is probably redundant.
Sight looks like crap in safari, pulls up a crappy mobile page on an iphone.
option to view full site is gone.
Funny for the first time I'm seeing /. design favouring a microsoft browser??? who took the bribe?
I've tried to be positive here and waited a bit before bitching, but I'm sick and tired of developers thinking they know what's best for me, and overriding my choices. Also, Slashdot is now yet another site where the text boxes are white text on a white background, because I dare to use a different GTK+ style than everyone else. Another site where I have to compose posts in a text editor and paste into forms, or keep dragging over my text to highlight it so I can see it. It's more trouble than its worth to post here now.
Webmasters of the world: Don't hard code colours! Let the client decide what the normal foreground and background colours are going to be for text, especially in forms.
Too slow. I'm out.
When I go to slashdot.org/metamod, I no longer see the "+/-" buttons in the top leftmost corner of a comment when using Debian Stable's iceweasel v3.0.6.
Interestingly the "+/-" are appearing and working for slashdot.org/firehose....
Uh, Linux geek since 1999.
I like this Version, but v1 was the best
BeOS fan here: Slashdot now looks all hideously jumbled on my favorite OS. Is there any chance Slashdot can ever again be compatible with BonEcho/Firefox 2 for BeOS and Haiku OS? I'm afraid there just isn't a newer version of Firefox I can use );
The biggest strength of slashdot has been the very usable threaded discussion format where it is easy to either delve many levels down into a side discussion or to glance at it and skip on to something more interesting (eg I skip all discussion of US politics which is inane in the extreme here). The upgrade has seriously degraded that as can be seen with the much shallower depth of threads in recent discussions.
# fixed left hand menu (setting aside zoom/font resize issues) - please replace content with useful links or tools. I'm sure very few users navigate by the section links so why make them so prominent. In a fixed menu I want the controls that will be useful when scrolling down a long comments page such as a link to slashdot home page and comments filter slider. This would be a much better place to put my account options than the top.
# fixed top menu - please remove entirely. Modern screens are wide and excess space is at the side not the top. Put some of this content in the left hand menu. Remove the 'Feedback' mailto link unless you actually plan to read and respond to those emails. Alternatively leave content as is but not fixed position.
# metamod - unable to metamod, no voting +/- in stable chrome firefox or even IE8, this is totally broken
# comments filtering is broken. High-rated (eg +5 insightful) comments are not shown if the parent or GP is abbreviated.
# abbreviated comments fail to show important information, especially number of child posts and number of hidden posts on abbreviated comments. This is really critical to digging through long threaded discussions
AC to not undo mods. Why is there only one discussion of this upgrade? Currently over 2000 comments this cannot be an effective way to get community feedback.
In my experience I get all comments if I am logged in. If not logged in the site is unusable as 'get more comments' gets very few. Unfortunately nobody with this problem will click 'get more comments' enough times to see this reply...
I can't speak of other mobile phones.
Android issues.
- The left hand menu overlaps on screen covering content. The menu shouldn't even show on a mobile device.
- The white space is way to excessive.
General
- Land / Summary / Index page shows there are comments but not how many.
Coding
And the dom is blown out. Renders very very slowly. Painful actually on a lot of systems.
Mousing over the "?" icons in the prefs page -- which I was on because a notice at the top of the comment page was bugging me to go there and switch on classic mode which I was already using -- I expected at least a tooltip. And so I got one: it reads ".ui-icon-help". Very helpful.
Just noticed the preview/submit buttons no longer have a tab-focus highlight in chromium too. Nice.
not that mods will see this...
When I scan the front page, I want to see what posts have attracted discussion, and how many of the comments are highly rated.
Now you've eliminated the e.g 47/435 numbers completely. Please put them back, they are useful and interesting.
how am I supposed to read this?
- Fabio
Win95, I think.
Actually, I think it is likely either Win98/Me or Mac OS X 10.3. It is just a guess though.
Well, it has nothing to do with the DOCTYPE themselves. The standards mode toggled by a <!DOCTYPE html> DOCTYPE is no different from a HTML 4.01 strict doctype.
This all looks pretty nice and its very gentle on the eyes, and new icons are really nice.
But the thing I miss the most is comments count on the summaries on front page.
And FF threw a JS unresponsive error on load. ...the purpose of doing this was what? Out-trending who?
Was ANY usability testing done? Anyone think of skimming "Don't Make Me Think"? [
link ]
Yuck.
Visit an article like this and see for yourselves:
http://slashdot.org/articles/00/11/14/1533230.shtml
Some observations I didn't notice elsewhere (I didn't look very hard)
1. Autoscroll is annoying to use in Opera 11 (build 1156). The side bar goes up and down and that's annoying as hell. Not true in FF or Chrome so it could just be Opera's fault.
2. Holy crap! Slashdot actually works in the default Android browser. Reading AND replying!
3. Replying to comments doesn't work well in Miren. This was true before.
4. Opera Mini and Mobile are still hopeless with this site, but they at least can load the front page now.
Looks like shit.
But hey, looking like Facebook in all lowercase will make you popular, right?
Previously, for every story on the front page the total number of replies was listed. I thought that was a nice popularity indicator and I used it when deciding if I would read a story or not. In the new design it only says "Read the comments". I did not find a setting in the "Options" that would re-enable this feature. If I overlooked it, please enlgihten me, if it's just not there then please add it...
This is madness! For some reason, the comment count for each story in the front page is missing! Am I alone? How do I fix this?
w00t
Stop destroying slashdot. Stop dumbing it down. Stop "simplifying" it. You want to improve it?! Let us comment on stories longer and make the search functionality ACTUALLY WORK. I'm so pissed off about this I'm not even cogent. I just "fixed" the previous "update." Now I'll have to Google that setting again. Whoever advised this is not your friend, they are trying to eliminate a news source. I'm so disappointed in you all.
Agreed, Slashdot is clearly under attack. Who mandated this? Who is responsible, who goes against the wall when the revolution comes. HOW DO I REVERT. I could revert in version 2.0. I feel so betrayed. Any comment saying you can change this back in preferences seems to be a lie.
Wow, guys. This is bad. I mean, you've hosed the frickin' <i> tag. It's covered by a blanket "font-style: inherit" rule, which inherits from nothing. So there's no styling for italics.
What actually gets styled here?
bold
italic
emphasis
strong
teletype
Chelloveck
I give up on debugging. From now on, SIGSEGV is a feature.
Dear /.,
I've tried. As your logs will show, I've really have tried the redesign. But there are so many broken bits - ranging from design errors to an obvious lack of testing and debugging - and other usability frustrations that I just can't stand it anymore.
I've had /. set up as my home page at work and at home for as long as I've been around on the site. And that goes back to before the days of UIDs. I even held out through many years of not being allowed to moderate despite excellent karma, just because once I'd disagreed with one of the editors. But as of today, I'm voting with my mouse buttons and switching away.
Maybe I'll pass by in a few weeks or months to see whether you've become usable and again. But until then: Sayonara!
No more regards,
MCE
Linux user since early January 1992.
Thank you! Thank you so much for removing the 'roach from the bug type posts. As an entomophobe with particular animosity towards that creature, it is appreciated. The beetle, while not perfect for an entomophobe, is not so onerous. Sincerely, A Pony
When I go to options, change my timezone, and hit save, it doesn't make the change. I was in eastern timezone for school, but having since graduated, I'm in central time, but slashdot seems to think otherwise.
My webcomic
I turned off javascript because design v2.? didn't really work with NoScript.
Now I'm getting offered to switch back to classic.
It is probably also in the settings somewhere.
Haven't decided to switch back yet, the new design looks nice.
Hey don't blame me, IANAB
The Google Slashbox layout is broken:
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7817/slashdotgooglebox.png
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
When I skim the articles, I look not only at the title and summary, but at the number of comments so far on the article. Sometimes an article doesn't sound interesting at first, but I'll read it if it's generated a lot of comments just to see what all the fuss is about.
The old Slashdot used to format the centre column nicely across the width of the iPhone screen. The new one does that by making the font size unreadable, keeping the same number of lines per paragraph. Please support "vertical" reading on handheld devices again, by allowing the paragraphs to re-format, as HTML intended.
-- Andrew
Ok, so far the new Slashdot doesn't work on IE 6 (meh), IE 7, SeaMonkey 1.1.x, Firefox 2.0.0.x, and craps out on many mobile devices. Some people are required by restrictive slow moving IT policies to use old browsers, some prefer or need the old versions, some don't have newer versions for their OS (older Linux, MacOS, Windows, or BeOS) or device and are stuck with it. On top of all that it hogs CPU usage on some machines, and looks like an old 1990s "frames" site.
Yet, it was rolled out in spite of being unusable for a significant number of the Slashdot demographic.
Somehow I imagine that Commander Taco is now sporting a new hair style that involves "pointy hair" of Dilbert fame. And "Garrett Woodworth, Wes, Vlad, Dean, Phil and Tim" are actually all Elbonian contractors that designed this new layout to a spec designed by a committee consisting of the Slashdot editors (much duplicate poorly researched information obviously). As per standard modern IT practice they were immediately terminated after completion (the contractors, not the editors, we would never be that lucky)
Due to politics, incompetence, and the unwillingness to keep knowledgeable people around the new broken layout will not be reverted, and it will never be fixed.
PLEASE /. listen to what everyone is saying. I completely agree with the parent of this post and everyone else. There is WAY too much white space. It's like reading a book for children or old people with vision problems.
This sucks. (Sorry, initial reactions only, Taking the time to figure out why is not profitable, for me.)
Someone moved my cheese.
I don't know how to do anything anymore.
(gratuitous changes, adding the to "friction" of everyday life... sigh)
html tags no longer accepted?
italics
bold
OK - bold works...no italics. pfft.
At least "br" works... god this is slow.
Seems... slower...
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
I used to view and comment to Slashdot on my iPhone and BB Torch. I had my login associated with the old v1 site and it worked fine and felt fast enough. I can't even seem to log into the site with the new interface and it is really slow - it is a step back at a time when so many other sites are creating lean and properly formatted mobile sites.
The slashbox Yesterday news is what I miss the most. It's now gone and that sucks bigtime.
Also, you should have implemented a reddit style comment system. The current one is simply too cumbersome.
Never underestimate the relief of true separation of Religion and State.
It's impossible to look at journal pages, much less use them for discussion. I don't mind the rest as much but this bit is just flat out broken. Maybe it was missed in the redesign? I guess (HOPE) this is still work in progress then...
+ I like how the stories "raise" when you click on them
+ the overall look is much better than the previous one
-reading comments is pretty unusable due to very high cpu
suggestions:
-some things need reduced padding, namely:
left menu
items ... to #eee and adding a #ccc 1px border to each story that would disappear when it's "raised" by clicking
text content on the boxes to the right
-the left menu (stories, recent) need to go a bit further down, in par with the rest of the page columns
-consider changing all these #e6e6e6 and #e3e3e3
..from Slashdot to Slowdot.
The issues I have with the redesign are:
1. The new story icons are bland and disinteresting. The old icons had more character.
2. The submission page is far too small. It was better as its own page rather than the small frame it is now.
3. The colour codes for pending story submissions seem to be gone.
4. Resizing site font via the browser leads to the left hand side of the title bars for stories to be clipped under the menu on the left hand side.
5. Audio previews of the CAPTCHA text still only use MP3. It would be nicer if it figured out if your browser had native Vorbis support and offered HTML5 audio playback in that case.
The rendering in Safari on iPhones (latest version - iOS 4.2.1) is broken. The header bar obscures the title of the first article, and scrolling up will not reveal it.
I do like how the 'read more comments' link goes directly to the #comments anchor. Just remember to copy the URL of the summary title when passing the story link on to friends! Otherwise they might not scroll up to read the summary.
I should mention that I read /. on a netbook running Firefox with a raft of plugins. So it's possible something changed on my end. But assuming it's you guys - THANK YOU! That damn floaty thing was driving me NUTS!
This post is LAW where prohibited by VOID. Prosecutors will be violated.
(I allow scripts & cookies from /. , but I can't always be logged in) For the /. poll, after I move the threshhold slider bar to -1, at the bottom of the page there is no button "Get x More Comments"
Also, if I navigate away from a story's comments page (say, click on a link that a commenter posted, opeing it in the same FF tab), when I return to the comments page the threshold is reset and I am not returned to the place on the page that I was reading. Can you say "broken" ? and please don't tell me I need to log in just to get the site to function in a semi-reasonable fashion.
While the above are annoyances which can be easily fixed, the redesign as a whole has made much more difficult what was the simplicity of getting access to the most basic functionality of this site: people getting info *regardless* of whether or not they are on a slow connection and/or old hardware, and allowing them to *participate* in the discourse. If you have b-school types running the show over there these days, I'll rephrase that in their parlance: Raising the barrier to entry is a really, really crappy idea for /.
Some of us openly embrace new stuff -- when it is done properly and without breaking basic functionality . IMHO, some of the new stuff is pretty cool, but on the whole, your efforts seem to have taken you down a road to crappiness. Over the past ~5 days since the new site was launched, I am already reading /. less than I did before, and I noticed yesterday morning that for the first time in ~13 years I do not have a tab with /. loaded at *all* times (or a browser window in the pre-tab days). Kinda sucks on this end -- and it's not just the bugginess of the site (which is understandable), it's the usability of the site; when the usability goes down the tubes, then unfortunately the usefullness goes with it. I hope you guys achieve your goals with this redesign, but it'd sure as heck be nice if you could make available a more basic version of /. -- I'd gladly pay extra for that.
The OpenID box in the login is gone! This is a important feature. Please fix!
It really makes reading comments a pain...
I don't mind metamoderating when called upon. Too bad it isn't working (from my perspective) anymore. No little + - to click...nothing. It's just like a regular page.
I have no idea what the problem is, and I have no intention of frustrating myself by dicking around trying to figure it out. I don't like this new design, and I don't like the technical problems that have come with it. So I'm just going to "vote with my feet" and find other pages to spend time on. Too bad...I like Slashdot. I'll miss it.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
And did you see the new layout for the polls?
Right-justifying the options???
What did they do, hire the rejects who weren't "good enough" to make Ubuntu the fugliest distro in the Universe?
There are only so many times I am going to login by manually typing my userid and password.
I'd like a page or form that Firefox can remember. Or even better, a single URL that I can bookmark that logs me in when I access it. Slashdot used to have something like that a few years ago. When that disappeared, at least we had the loging box on the right. Now that's gone too.
There are a good number of issues put forth in this thread. How about a RESPONSE to some of them?
I am sure this has been pointed out already, but I simply do not have time to read all the comments. This new design is great for a normal desktop browser and all, but yall seem to have forgotten to fix up the mobile version. As it is, it is quite hard to read...keep having to scroll left and right to get the whole line. Before the revamp there were no problems since it did a "word-wrap-like" thing.
I don't save anything in my browser (no cookies, no history, no passwords, zilch), so I appreciate not having to either log in or type the subdomain in the address bar to get to the different sections. And as far as white space - which most people seem to complain about - I love it. 3 thumbs up (oh, I forgot to mention, I'm a mutant).
Using IE9, I'm unable to Meta-Moderate, because there are no + or - icons to click on. I haven't checked with other browsers yet. Just wanted to report this issue. Dunno if it's an IE9-specific issue, or if Meta-Moderating is just broken.
- Spryguy
There are three kinds of people in this world: those that can count and those that can't
I like the new design. I think the icons are cool.
Y
I can't see the "Older Stuff" slashbox. This is easily my most used box as I paged back on a Monday and scanned the weekend's postings. Can I have it back please?
Ps I am using (work enforced) IE 7 so I deserve your pity and help...
Major gripe: Fixed text width. Makes it hard to read on an iPhone. Why is there no app?
... is that the new Bill Gates the Borg looks far less threatening than the last version. ;-)
More warning that you are about to post as anon (ie forgotten to log in) would be good. I just realised that I was not logged in about 2s after I pressed submit...
My other Sig is very funny.
So I've noticed something I consider an issue, and detrimental to the commenting process. Highly rated comments, even rating of 5, are not showing immediately if they are not a parent comment to the main story. Any time someone replies to a comment, unless you drill down into that comment, you can't find the replies. This is a major problem for a reason reasons.
First, as a reader, I am going to obviously be most interested in comments rated at 3, 4 or 5. I may not have time to read every comment rated at 1, so I may miss tons of highly rated comments because I didn't expand EVERY single comment on there. Why this is a problem should be self explanatory, not presenting readers with the best comments first and foremost is going to be bad for readership in general.
Second, as a commenter, knowing what I just stated, it makes me less likely to want to reply to a comment, rather than make a parent response to the topic itself. If other commenters believe the same thing, it will lead to a disorganization of ideas. If more and more people post comments in the hope of being notice and modded up as a parent and not a reply, we'll have a situation where no one wants to reply.
Finally, as a moderated, knowing what I mentioned above, I feel less inclined to moderate up replies, even if they are the best comment on the site. I feel less inclined, because despite a moderation of +5, many people may not see the comment for exactly the reasons I outlined, which would mean I basically wasted moderation points.
All in all, I hope that this can be changed in some way. A +5 moderated comment should always appear without needing to drill into other comments, IMHO.
It appears at least in some browsers all the classes are set as:
aside class="novote"
None are set to the "vote" option. This means that no "plus" or "minus" options are shown.
I've checked in FireFox and Safari.
Honestly I don't think you even tested this on Firefox.
Resizing the window mashes things under the top border of the screen.
The horizontal scroll bar doesn't go away until the window is resized to an unreasonably wide size.
Kriston
i don't really like it
This new design has ruined the comment threads. Something insightful often isn't said until a few layers into a thread, but even if they've been modded up you don't see their comment unless the previous comment has also been modded up.
What about people asking a question? They don't get modded up because it's not interesting, but the answer is, yet because the asker isn't I don't see the comment.
I don't mind the ajaxy stuff, it generally makes things easier for me. The rest of the redesign I couldn't really care less about, it's the content that matters. But you've somehow managed to screw that up by destroying the threads. Thanks.
Who need's speling and grammar?
I tried to search to see if someone already posted this (got a 503 error) but the top article header gets cut off in the iphone browser.
I never figured out how to use the last redesign, and this one just makes it whiter and adds new problems. At the moment, I can't seem to figure out how to view comments that rank below a 5. There's some kind of slider widget on the right with comment scores (or at least numbers ranging from 5 to -1), and a pointer pointing to 0. I started sliding it around and it split into two pointers. I put them both on -1 and clicked "Get 2206 more comments," and all I got back was several more score 5 comments. I wish I had a clue what I was doing.
Secession is the right of all sentient beings.
Does not render well on iPhone at all. Only thing that is visible is the main articles. I have RSS from the Register and Ars Techinca on my customized page and they do not show on the iPhone since the change.
Cough, cough, ahem...
If this were easy, they wouldn't need us to do it!
Ok so not really...
Overall things look nice. Only real complaint is that you removed the "Home" link from the footer. The static top/side bars overcame this missing link (and sucked) but now that is gone as well. Overall minor inconvenience that I now have to scroll to the top of the page to click on the logo.
PS: Sure I could click back but that's not always where I want to go...
It hurts to even look at this site now, let alone use it. Why why why did you do this? I come here for the stories and the user comments. All the site has to do is present everything in a friendly fashion. This is all just extremely painful. I'm going to have to bite the bullet and find a new timewaster.
Kwisatz Haderach
Sell the spice to CHOAM
This Mahdi took Shaddam's Throne
I'm 'osting' this comment. Must be osting because I can't see the 'P'. Hey, I wear bifocals and I really need to push the text size to something bigger than 5 points.
Can't meta-moderate. Can anybody?
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Read it, learn it, live it.
I've had to stop using Charter's webmail because of crap like this. Some of us like to be able to actually SEE what we're reading! Guess I'll have to stop reading slahsdot, too.
o openid is missing (this is a repeat of a previous note)
o abbreviated messages do not show the score
o get more comments say, e. g., 2132 More Comments where 50 More Comments is what really happens. How does it decide which 50 to provide? By thread? By score? By timestamp?
Those are the items that make the least sense in the new design
RSS needs some love too. Note the poorly formated and fixed character count comments, lack of links in summaries, and annoying ads.
Surfing slashdot on the Iphone is much less satisfying now. The text is much harder to read and the graphics float over the title of the topmost article.
Highly rated responses to low rated parents hide.
Mentioned here
The moderation system was supposed to "let the cream rise to the top," if I remember right. Now I basically have to expand everything, because there isn't even an "N responses" clue to let me know where the diamonds are hiding.
Also, following a link to a comment takes you to the top of the tree, with [seemingly] everything hidden. ("Here" is a few clicks deep in that link, for example.)
ALSO, it seems that half the time, when I click on a front page headline link, the story folds or unfolds once or twice before actually behaving like a link.
I could care less about how the site looks (I could, but it wouldn't be worth the effort), just let me at the content.
And what is good, Phaedrus, And what is not good... Need we ask anyone to tell us these things?
I can't read crap anymore unless i am on a full computer screen. In The Iphone the top line of the first post also is hidden. How about a Mobile ver. Please?? I have been here since the beginning and I do mean the BEGINNING!! Firs thing i do in morning, at lunch and after work.
So now I cannot load more comments without scrolling to the end of the article, clicking 'more comments' and having the screen re-scroll and re-lose the 'more comments' button again?
A pretty big step backwards in usability.
Gets all funky when my browser isn't maximized :(
I can't stress enough just how much I hate this new design.
Yay! You've succeeded in making my Firefox browser on Ubuntu run like a slug. Also, what's the deal when I login. Before logging in would allow me to reclaim all the space on the right to get better/expanded view of the articles. Now, it shuts down the ads .. so I now have ti HUGE white space on the right side of my display. C'mon, guys. Just 'cause it's "Web2.0" doesn't mean it's better. Especially when not implemented properly.
When I go to slashdot.org/metamod, I no longer see the "+/-" buttons in the top leftmost corner of a comment when using Debian Stable's iceweasel v3.0.6.
Interestingly the "+/-" are appearing and working for slashdot.org/firehose....
Tried slashdot.org/metamod using Debian Stable's iceweasel v3.0.6
As of today the "+/-" buttons are appearing, as they do for firehose (yay!).
BUT, unlike firehose, when I do press either a '+' or '-' button in metamod, the system does not appear to take an action :/ ...at least not yet.
Uh, Linux geek since 1999.
I hate this resign, having to click show comments show comments show comments show comments is crap. I would could to slashdot to read the viewer feedback and now it's a pain to even get access to the comments.
Looks ok - but (subjectively) the oldone loaded quicker.
1. Does not work well in the android browser (HTC Hero android 2.1) - left hand bar dominates screen + overlays on top of articles. Not good.
2. How do you submit bug reports for this? *(this "How to" should have been in the original post)
Please, I am begging, fix the "many more" feature so that it goes back more than 10 days. I hit a wall with many more and it no longer shows dates or days as links and if my browser closes or I click another link I have to click that "many more" button dozens to times to get to where I was.
"A democracy which makes or even effectively prepares for modern, scientific war must necessarily cease to be democratic