I'm in classes, and they don't have that deal at the U-Houston Apple store. Its like 50-100 bucks off. Not really worth it when you get the same or better from any other manufacturer via the web.
Settle down. I never said you were stupid. I said you fell for advertising and maybe don't know how to use anything other than a mac, and perhaps I am wrong as it seems to be the case. Those problems you list are completely out of the ordinary for me, i.e. Ive never had them. I had to reinstall XP when I put too much software on my PC and stopped caring about organizing things appropriately. I.e. it was my fault not Windows. I didnt want it all anymore and it cluttered things a bit so I reinstalled Windows to get rid of it rather then spend a few hours rearranging icons, uninstalling software and shit. But then again, I am a bit OCD. Reinstalling an OS is not some accomplishment, nor is it a big hassle. It takes a couple hours if you are prepared with a basic driver disc for your network card and keep your files organized enough so that you can move 1 folder to an external hard drive. I am perfectly aware that MacOS uses Unix. Its pretty much the best feature of MacOS since you can use all sorts of scientific software on it. I use Linux daily at work on some clusters we have for our lab. Ive never used Solaris, but I used some Sun Microsystems workstations that interfaced with a mainframe for their computations and they were pieces of shit. Anyway, Windows 7 is quite a bit better than XP ever was, and so far I have no complaints. The only thing I would like is it to be linux friendly, which Microsoft time and time again has treated as some kind of enemy. I am no fan of Microsoft, but they currently offer a cheaper to acquire, competitive product and you can use it on hardware that is equivalently built to any Mac. HP has made leaps and bounds more progress in being competitive to Apple these days. I suppose I could buy MacOS for my desktop and go the Hackintosh route.
Well, evolution and anthropogenic global warming can be questioned, but having a concrete and unchanging hypothesis' with nitpicked "evidence" that supports it is not really even in the realm of reason at all.
Right, so in this completely transparent society, when a racist and homophobic nut finds out from the public data that my wife is black and I am white, and my neighbor is a homosexual they may decide to come over and shoot us all. After all, firearms are legal and they could just be taking it over here to show one of their friends. Sure, they will get caught since everything was monitored, but maybe my wife and I will be dead and so will my neighbor since all it takes is a few seconds to shoot someone, and it would take at least 5 minutes for a cop to figure out what is going on if they weren't busy monitoring someone else. There are real reasons for privacy, and not all of it is because you are doing something wrong. Maybe my neighbor doesn't want people to know he has a man come over who doesn't live here and stays the night a few times a week. Maybe I don't want people to know I live here with my wife and we aren't the same race. Not because I am ashamed of it, but because I don't want nutjobs finding that information out.
I was kidding. In light of the fact that I don't really like Apple, and I like AMD, I made a joke about how Im not sure what to start a flame war with you about considering how most people are on / . only here for that reason. Personally, the latest Apple refresh is a big joke. They already were charging too much for the last generation, but now they downgrade graphics performance across the board, marginally decreasing costs and then marginally increase cost with the better CPU. However, since the new CPU has a bunch of integrated parts, its actually cheaper overall across the board. They are charging the same as usual, getting the same profits as the end of last generation, and since it will take them a year to get a new refresh they will be making an even higher profit margin than now just before next refresh. Seriously, there is no reason to charge the same price for an entire year when hardware costs are always decreasing.
My gut reaction would be "So what?". Drugs and prostitution should be legal IMO and I don't even partake of either (if you are nit-picky yes I drink and alcohol is a drug). Selling stolen goods and children? No. Fraud? No. Selling children and stolen goods happens more often from non-Craigslist sources. Fraud happens in emails and over the phone every day. Shouldn't we also be targeting email and phones as tools used for illicit activity?
No no. I use Windows 7. Its much better than Vista and XP is. Hell, DOS is almost better than Vista. Last time I had a Vista machine I installed Ubuntu on it and it actually worked pretty good for my purposes (audio recording / office / email). I upgraded to a new HP dv3 a little over a year ago and its been the best laptop Ive ever had. My wife seems to like her Macbook Pro alot. She told me "She switched to Apple" last time I talked about some cool new non-Apple things like the HP tablet I am hoping gets more apps. Then again though, she does graphic design so I guess that's the industry standard for it. Even at that we bought her Macbook Pro refurbished so its a better value. Its true, Apple makes a killer product. I just have trouble justifying it for my own uses at that price when perfectly reasonable substitutes exist (for my use). If they sold it cheaper they would put everyone out of business.
Well, Windows 7 has a tool that downloads them for you. Also, Windows XP was quite a few years ago. I don't know whether or not Mac's had to download drivers or not at that time. Seriously though, downloading one file every once and awhile doesn't take more than 5-10 minutes. It took me about 5 minutes last time I updated my ATI drivers. Big fucking deal. Since I don't make 600 dollars every 5 minutes the extra time it could save me by getting a Mac doesn't make up for the 600 dollars extra it would cost to get a Mac.
Lines have characters, variables, operators and syntax in them. You need to multiply by ALOT more than 2 as another post suggested. One time by accident I made a 1 character bug that totally ruined an entire experiment we were doing and about 40 hours of someone else's time. Now everyone gives me shit for it.
Hmm. The Envy has a better processor (well, it did yesterday before the update). Here in the states its 1000 for the Envy, 1200 for the Macbook. It makes the Envy look good.
The same thing could be said about public places. "Since we have built this new park three years ago, there have been 83 people mugged, 8 murders, 125 cases of lewd conduct, 20 cases of prostitution.... etc. etc.". Really, craigslist is just a public forum for commerce and other needs, although it exists on the web.
None of what you said happens on my HP, and it cost 650. I routinely leave it on for a week or so at a time (well, in sleep I suppose). It boots in about 40-50 seconds, comes out of sleep in about 30-40. It has a upper half aluminum chassis, but thats good because the bottom doesnt slip around on surfaces and its light weight and I can actually access the hard drive and ram to upgrade if I want. It actually has better resolution at 13 inches than the Macbook Pro 13. It comes with a faster hard drive at the same capacity as well. It doesn't have as good of a processor, but its processor is designed for lower power consumption so its not really comparable. I also have dedicated graphics on it, but its not as good as the 320m. I bought this over a year ago. The only complaint I have for it is the power button being a weird sliding switch on one side, and the fact it doesn't have magsafe (which is by far the coolest feature on Macbooks IMO). Im just saying, Macs are no longer the superior user experience everyone claims them to be. They were 2-3 years ago, not anymore. Other manufacturers as well as Microsoft had to learn a hard lesson, and they did. The extra aluminum, magsafe, backlit keyboard, OS, and CPU can't possible make up for the 550 dollar difference (at least not to me). Hell, whatever floats your boat man. Some people can afford to pay twice as much for an increase of 10 percent. Its like with guitars. You can buy a damn good one for 1000 bucks, but if you want that 10 percent extra good sound and handling out of a guitar you will end up paying well over 2000.
Fair enough. I am also seeing some reviews that state the 320 is better for GPU intensive games, and Sandy Bridge is better for CPU intensive games. I would have liked to see them put at least some dedicated card in there for a best of both worlds situation. Ive read they simply don't have room, but I find that hard to believe since the new Intel processors are smaller than their predecessors. Im skipping this generation of Mac (or rather, my wife is since she uses it more than I do).
Yeah. I found a review, sort of, at notebookcheck.com and anandtech. Looks like the previous generation 320m's were actually slightly better than the Sandy Bridge integrated 3000 HD. HD 3000 pulls out ahead in some games but there is a bias towards the 320m.
I think the point of Sandy Bridge is that they greatly improved the HD3000 by making it multi-core and faster with direct memory access. Im not sure though, I could be wrong. I have had difficulty finding a good review that compares it to standard dedicated cards like the 5850 or newer 6000's from AMD/ATI.
You are at least a smart consumer unlike most people that buy Apple Macbook pros. Check out the refurbished models on the Apple store. Its a small link down on the far left hand side of the Apple store. You can find some good deals on previous generation laptops. Earlier today there was one for 850 that had the same specs as the Macbook Pro 13 from the generation just before today.
I like the refurb Macbook pros, those are the only Macbooks worth the price to me. Even then I am talking the generation before previous usually. They had a 13" one earlier for 850 that had the same hardware as the last generation (last generation before today that is) MBP 13". I can confidently say if Apple lowered their prices by 150 on the 13" MBP, 300-500 on the subsequent models there would be no contest as to what machine is a better buy. Apple would be it. As a matter of fact, you would see most other manufacturers going out of business over the next year or so if they did that I suspect. Until then I have to hope I have disposable income one day or stick with HP who have always been good to me. I build my own desktops anyway, but higher end HP laptops are pretty sexy these days.
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Yeah, it pretty much is that way. If I had my way it wouldn't have been a Mac. So when I say "I won't allow" its really "We settled".
Hell, we may even see half-decent external video cards for laptops.
That would be incredible and pretty much kill the gaming desktop over time.
I'm in classes, and they don't have that deal at the U-Houston Apple store. Its like 50-100 bucks off. Not really worth it when you get the same or better from any other manufacturer via the web.
Settle down. I never said you were stupid. I said you fell for advertising and maybe don't know how to use anything other than a mac, and perhaps I am wrong as it seems to be the case. Those problems you list are completely out of the ordinary for me, i.e. Ive never had them. I had to reinstall XP when I put too much software on my PC and stopped caring about organizing things appropriately. I.e. it was my fault not Windows. I didnt want it all anymore and it cluttered things a bit so I reinstalled Windows to get rid of it rather then spend a few hours rearranging icons, uninstalling software and shit. But then again, I am a bit OCD. Reinstalling an OS is not some accomplishment, nor is it a big hassle. It takes a couple hours if you are prepared with a basic driver disc for your network card and keep your files organized enough so that you can move 1 folder to an external hard drive. I am perfectly aware that MacOS uses Unix. Its pretty much the best feature of MacOS since you can use all sorts of scientific software on it. I use Linux daily at work on some clusters we have for our lab. Ive never used Solaris, but I used some Sun Microsystems workstations that interfaced with a mainframe for their computations and they were pieces of shit. Anyway, Windows 7 is quite a bit better than XP ever was, and so far I have no complaints. The only thing I would like is it to be linux friendly, which Microsoft time and time again has treated as some kind of enemy. I am no fan of Microsoft, but they currently offer a cheaper to acquire, competitive product and you can use it on hardware that is equivalently built to any Mac. HP has made leaps and bounds more progress in being competitive to Apple these days. I suppose I could buy MacOS for my desktop and go the Hackintosh route.
Well, evolution and anthropogenic global warming can be questioned, but having a concrete and unchanging hypothesis' with nitpicked "evidence" that supports it is not really even in the realm of reason at all.
Right, so in this completely transparent society, when a racist and homophobic nut finds out from the public data that my wife is black and I am white, and my neighbor is a homosexual they may decide to come over and shoot us all. After all, firearms are legal and they could just be taking it over here to show one of their friends. Sure, they will get caught since everything was monitored, but maybe my wife and I will be dead and so will my neighbor since all it takes is a few seconds to shoot someone, and it would take at least 5 minutes for a cop to figure out what is going on if they weren't busy monitoring someone else. There are real reasons for privacy, and not all of it is because you are doing something wrong. Maybe my neighbor doesn't want people to know he has a man come over who doesn't live here and stays the night a few times a week. Maybe I don't want people to know I live here with my wife and we aren't the same race. Not because I am ashamed of it, but because I don't want nutjobs finding that information out.
Unfortunately joking about committing a crime is even enough to nab you on that if you can't afford a good lawyer.
I am conspiring to commit the act of conspiring to commit a crime and then I was arrested for resisting arrest.
I was kidding. In light of the fact that I don't really like Apple, and I like AMD, I made a joke about how Im not sure what to start a flame war with you about considering how most people are on / . only here for that reason. Personally, the latest Apple refresh is a big joke. They already were charging too much for the last generation, but now they downgrade graphics performance across the board, marginally decreasing costs and then marginally increase cost with the better CPU. However, since the new CPU has a bunch of integrated parts, its actually cheaper overall across the board. They are charging the same as usual, getting the same profits as the end of last generation, and since it will take them a year to get a new refresh they will be making an even higher profit margin than now just before next refresh. Seriously, there is no reason to charge the same price for an entire year when hardware costs are always decreasing.
My gut reaction would be "So what?". Drugs and prostitution should be legal IMO and I don't even partake of either (if you are nit-picky yes I drink and alcohol is a drug). Selling stolen goods and children? No. Fraud? No. Selling children and stolen goods happens more often from non-Craigslist sources. Fraud happens in emails and over the phone every day. Shouldn't we also be targeting email and phones as tools used for illicit activity?
No no. I use Windows 7. Its much better than Vista and XP is. Hell, DOS is almost better than Vista. Last time I had a Vista machine I installed Ubuntu on it and it actually worked pretty good for my purposes (audio recording / office / email). I upgraded to a new HP dv3 a little over a year ago and its been the best laptop Ive ever had. My wife seems to like her Macbook Pro alot. She told me "She switched to Apple" last time I talked about some cool new non-Apple things like the HP tablet I am hoping gets more apps. Then again though, she does graphic design so I guess that's the industry standard for it. Even at that we bought her Macbook Pro refurbished so its a better value. Its true, Apple makes a killer product. I just have trouble justifying it for my own uses at that price when perfectly reasonable substitutes exist (for my use). If they sold it cheaper they would put everyone out of business.
Well, Windows 7 has a tool that downloads them for you. Also, Windows XP was quite a few years ago. I don't know whether or not Mac's had to download drivers or not at that time. Seriously though, downloading one file every once and awhile doesn't take more than 5-10 minutes. It took me about 5 minutes last time I updated my ATI drivers. Big fucking deal. Since I don't make 600 dollars every 5 minutes the extra time it could save me by getting a Mac doesn't make up for the 600 dollars extra it would cost to get a Mac.
Lines have characters, variables, operators and syntax in them. You need to multiply by ALOT more than 2 as another post suggested. One time by accident I made a 1 character bug that totally ruined an entire experiment we were doing and about 40 hours of someone else's time. Now everyone gives me shit for it.
Hmm. The Envy has a better processor (well, it did yesterday before the update). Here in the states its 1000 for the Envy, 1200 for the Macbook. It makes the Envy look good.
The same thing could be said about public places. "Since we have built this new park three years ago, there have been 83 people mugged, 8 murders, 125 cases of lewd conduct, 20 cases of prostitution.... etc. etc.". Really, craigslist is just a public forum for commerce and other needs, although it exists on the web.
None of what you said happens on my HP, and it cost 650. I routinely leave it on for a week or so at a time (well, in sleep I suppose). It boots in about 40-50 seconds, comes out of sleep in about 30-40. It has a upper half aluminum chassis, but thats good because the bottom doesnt slip around on surfaces and its light weight and I can actually access the hard drive and ram to upgrade if I want. It actually has better resolution at 13 inches than the Macbook Pro 13. It comes with a faster hard drive at the same capacity as well. It doesn't have as good of a processor, but its processor is designed for lower power consumption so its not really comparable. I also have dedicated graphics on it, but its not as good as the 320m. I bought this over a year ago. The only complaint I have for it is the power button being a weird sliding switch on one side, and the fact it doesn't have magsafe (which is by far the coolest feature on Macbooks IMO). Im just saying, Macs are no longer the superior user experience everyone claims them to be. They were 2-3 years ago, not anymore. Other manufacturers as well as Microsoft had to learn a hard lesson, and they did. The extra aluminum, magsafe, backlit keyboard, OS, and CPU can't possible make up for the 550 dollar difference (at least not to me). Hell, whatever floats your boat man. Some people can afford to pay twice as much for an increase of 10 percent. Its like with guitars. You can buy a damn good one for 1000 bucks, but if you want that 10 percent extra good sound and handling out of a guitar you will end up paying well over 2000.
Fair enough. I am also seeing some reviews that state the 320 is better for GPU intensive games, and Sandy Bridge is better for CPU intensive games. I would have liked to see them put at least some dedicated card in there for a best of both worlds situation. Ive read they simply don't have room, but I find that hard to believe since the new Intel processors are smaller than their predecessors. Im skipping this generation of Mac (or rather, my wife is since she uses it more than I do).
Look up HP Envy 14 based model. I would say that is an adequate comparison that makes Macbooks's look expensive.
Yeah. I found a review, sort of, at notebookcheck.com and anandtech. Looks like the previous generation 320m's were actually slightly better than the Sandy Bridge integrated 3000 HD. HD 3000 pulls out ahead in some games but there is a bias towards the 320m.
But even a crappy AMD/ATI card can dominate intel graphics. http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/11
I think the point of Sandy Bridge is that they greatly improved the HD3000 by making it multi-core and faster with direct memory access. Im not sure though, I could be wrong. I have had difficulty finding a good review that compares it to standard dedicated cards like the 5850 or newer 6000's from AMD/ATI.
Whoa whoa. I don't know what to flame war you for now. Either because you like Apple or because you insulted my favorite graphics company!
You are at least a smart consumer unlike most people that buy Apple Macbook pros. Check out the refurbished models on the Apple store. Its a small link down on the far left hand side of the Apple store. You can find some good deals on previous generation laptops. Earlier today there was one for 850 that had the same specs as the Macbook Pro 13 from the generation just before today.
I like the refurb Macbook pros, those are the only Macbooks worth the price to me. Even then I am talking the generation before previous usually. They had a 13" one earlier for 850 that had the same hardware as the last generation (last generation before today that is) MBP 13". I can confidently say if Apple lowered their prices by 150 on the 13" MBP, 300-500 on the subsequent models there would be no contest as to what machine is a better buy. Apple would be it. As a matter of fact, you would see most other manufacturers going out of business over the next year or so if they did that I suspect. Until then I have to hope I have disposable income one day or stick with HP who have always been good to me. I build my own desktops anyway, but higher end HP laptops are pretty sexy these days.
I have never had a problem with an HP product. They make some rock solid machines.