Some of your comparisons don't make sense. For example, iPAQ vs iPhone, PirateBay vs. iTunes, and netbook vs. iPad. iPAQ's are old ass PDA's or PDA's combined with smart phones. Hardly comparable. PirateBay is a website where everything is free and/or illegal, not a content delivery system you install on your pc, nor would I call iTunes superior in many ways nor easier to use. A netbook is a mini-laptop, not a tablet at all. Netbooks aren't even meant to compete with the same market. Other tablets existed before netbooks and iPad you could compare to.
This has been true of cell phones for quite some time. Before smart phones, you had to use proprietary platforms for the most part. Even some android phones have non-standard cables today. Also, you can use iTunes in Windows. I get pissed off at Apple sometimes too, but you can't say they are the only ones pulling bullshit, anti-consumer tactics. Hell, the entire cell industry is significantly more anti-consumer than it should be.
CS classes will be as useful as actual real-world programming experience
One more thing. I see this sentiment a lot, but I fail to actually see it in real life, at least if you are referring to the programming side of things. Im sure the business side has a learning curve. Im pretty sure I can program anything I need to program, it just might take some research. Who doesn't do research when they program something new? Do you remember absolutely everything and never need to look anything up? A proper science curriculum teaches you how to look for information, and how to absorb it for application. Sure, you may not learn every quirk of a particular platform or language in school, but you learn how to digest such information and adapt if you didn't spend your time in college getting drunk and burning out. I get the feeling that too many programmers whom never went to college have jealousy issues with people who did, and have to make shit up about how incompetent they are just to feel better about themselves. These are the same people that have grievous gaps in their knowledge. In my own experience with self-taught programmers, they don't even know basic precalculus stuff, or trigonometry, or numerical analysis. Having experience programming for trading platforms, this doesn't make any fucking sense. You can simplify your algorithms, or do many different things more efficiently if you simply understood this information. I have had people actually have problems actually figuring out how to calculate slopes of lines, or solve for a variable in some equation. Give me a break. This is inexcusable for someone who is suppose to be making software that works efficiently, and correctly.
1 month is pretty standard for training time. My current job has a 3 month training time. This basically boils down to the age old "How can I get experience when nobody hires anyone without experience?" problem. Thankfully I am supporting C# programmers right now on our platform so its a good stepping stone.
The job market is proving the worth of your degree. I know it sucks
Its a MS in applied mathematics with significant programming experience. The job market doesn't prove the worth of a degree, only what short sighted nimrods are willing to except as qualifications. I can program in several languages, but I do not know SPSS. I can't claim I do on my CV, so I can't apply to the myriad of jobs that require it which actually do pay well. I am currently teaching myself, but I am having difficulty convincing employers I know it since I didn't take it in college, and most want transcripts. Statistically, I should make way more than I do even if I was outside 2 standard deviations. Though you don't know what I make and I am not going to say, look up "Applied math / CS" salaries. I make less than a third of that. I thought about going back for my PhD but that would just be more loans without any feasible way to repay it. Unfortunately my age group has a 24 percent unemployment rate so any jobs available are highly competitive, and we are competing with older folks as well. By law of Supply/demand, employers have all the bargaining power to pay you badly right now. You may see the world through rose colored glasses of a successful person, but it was easier for you. You grew up in a time of economic expansion. Today, there are significantly less young people that can "just teach themself" and expect any employment at all. Though you may hire people this way, try applying to hundreds of jobs like I have or any number of my acquaintances have and see what happens. There are many of us younger people being left behind even though we are qualified to do many jobs. This is a statistical fact. When I see that US corporations are sitting on more in profits now than before the recession of 2008-2010, and they still aren't hiring anyone from my age group (or hiring in general), it pretty much proves my point. Wealthy sitting on their money, rather than bothering to expand business. Trickle down doesn't work, it is the nature of wealth to accumulate in a few hands unless downward pressure is put on it.
Don't they issue a certificate if you pass the course? Shit, I signed up for the basic and I wanted to get the certificate, just so I can add some fluff to my CV (yeah, sort of bullshit but employers like it).
Programming classes legendarily do a poor job of teaching logical thinking and reasoning skills anyway.
I think that is why employers usually like it when you have a strong math background as well. Just looking at average salaries for applied math / CS guys its quite a bit more than just a CS guy (unless you program for some high demand field).
You would need some programming experience. Something like 1 year of university courses in CS or a few "CS for Dummies" books. The issue is you wont understand how programming works, its syntax, etc.
Funny how that works. Ive seen jobs offered I know I could do since I have programming experience from CS classes, my applied mathematics curriculum, as well as experience working in a lab as a programmer during my MS curriculum. All it would take is maybe a month of learning the languages they want, however since I don't KNOW it right now they won't even consider me. This being the case, I just decided Im going to learn a bunch of them on my own. It boggles my mind why HR and management don't understand once you have taught yourself to learn, and proven that you can do so by getting good grades and a masters degree, that you would be able to fulfill jobs that may not be specifically in your immediate skill set. I mean come on, I know how to program in C, C++, C#, Java, and Matlab, pretty sure I could learn Python or SPSS assholes.
You are right, correlation does not equal causation. However last time wealth disparity was this bad there was the great depression. Its enough to make at least a partial conclusion that perhaps this is a bad thing. The money is sitting in investments of course, but its not circulating into the hands of anyone but the top 10 percent. Everyone at the bottom is getting poorer and poorer bleeding wealth out to the rich since we have to buy food, gasoline, electricity, etc., or having the wealth simply destroyed like when home prices went down. Having been through college and obtaining a masters degree in applied mathematics, I can tell you its not an easy task at all. It requires dedication, intelligence, and hard work. You wouldn't hire someone that can stick through something like that? You only hire people that didn't have the balls nor brains to go to college? Your anti-intellectualism is pretty much standard for most people that are undeserving rich assholes. Simply put, I am more educated and intelligent than most people, and I definitely work harder than most people. Why aren't I rich? Well, no-one is hiring for a fair wage, nor am I able to statistically make what I am worth after trying for the last year and applying to hundreds of jobs. I finally settled for one, but I can't even pay off student loans. Why is it that a country wants to punish people for actually being educated? After all, its the educated people that even make most things in your life you take for granted possible. One more thing, loaning money to others is one reason we are in this mess, with everyone including government owing everything to the banks and/or the fed.
You are forgetting that people also make millions of dollars from their own personal investments. How does inflation not affect the average person as well? Poor, poor wealthy people. I feel so sorry for them making 20 times what an average person will make in a life time and having it taxed at least as much as the average person. The more money you have the easier it is to make more money, thats why they should tax it more. Wealthy people benefit from this society more than everyone else, so they should pay for it.
If it were true that investments made our economy run smoother and made more jobs for people I would support that, unfortunately the opposite is true as it seems since we have had years of tax cuts on wealthy people and we still have a shitty economy with high unemployment rates. The wealthy are sitting on the largest sums of money for a century, and they aren't doing shit for anyone else, such as giving them a job or investing in start ups. Entrepreneurship has been decreasing steadily for decades. Meanwhile, the upper 10 percent have increased their share of the wealth 3 fold since 1980, and much much more than that since 1920. If a wealthy person didn't finish college and that's their excuse for not knowing algebra, then they are simply a moron considering you learn it in high school, contradicting your "The wealthiest 10 percent are the smartest" theory. I would also argue, there are millions of workers that work twice as hard as any CEO since their jobs are long and demanding, like construction. They don't get paid millions of dollars, but they work harder? Hmm. If there weren't inheritance and disproportionate privileged for the children of wealthy parents I would agree with your "upper 10 percent are the hardest working". As it is you can inherit a bunch of money and live the rest of your life making investments, or you can work for your daddies company making way more than you are worth, or you can pay off an ivy league school and get a degree that will make you tons of money. There is a huge swath of young educated people that can't make shit wages because of wealthy people hoarding their money and refusing to use it for business. Trickle down doesnt work, its never worked because wealthy people don't like giving up their money for any reason. Its easier to simply all agree to pay people shit wages, and make them work twice as hard while systematically removing the workers rights to unionize to prevent such abuse. The wealthy benefit way more from this society than the average person does, and as such they should pay for it.
I explain that as Obama being a shitty leader, and politicians generally being incompetent. I genuinely believe they just didn't know what to do since the shit that has been happening is unprecedented. Now, when people are try to solve the problem and are trying to use their heads, all you see is a complete lack of any willingness to compromise at all coming from the right. They say the dumbest shit in their defense as well, "Why not tax the 50 percent who don't pay taxes, even though they usually make less than 22000 a year!". "No new taxes! Even though we have millions of elderly that rely on social security to live and spending cuts simply wont solve the problem by itself". Its all crap. So far, I have seen more reasonable arguments from the left probably because they haven't been taken over by tea party morons.
So additional income from money you invest is not income? Give me a break. This is why 10 percent of the population controls 90 percent of all wealth. Do you seriously think that 10 percent of the population is so much smarter and harder working than the other 90? I have a millionaire boss who I had to do basic algebra for, and I am also working here more often than he is. Both parties increase spending, with republicans just as bad as democrats. Funny thing about republicans though, they only want to cut democrat supported programs.
Sure they were, that's why the bill sucks so bad. Republicans wanted it to fail, so they made it shitty with compromises. No-one on the right ever budges on anything, because they are assholes. Everyone on the left always budges on everything, because they are pussies.
You completely misunderstand the left all together. I have never seen a group try to compromise more than the left. Its built into their "bleeding hearts", since they try to protect people even from themselves (which is not always best). You are basically arguing using a false analogy of "the left wants all our money". Bullshit. The left wants a more progressive distribution of wealth, and tends to also lean towards health care. Sometimes they go about it the wrong way, but it certainly isn't fair that I pay 30 percent of my pay checks when I make next to nothing, and some guy pays 15 percent of the millions he makes off of investments. Either reduce my taxes to 15 percent or raise theirs. Thats the argument of the left.
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Uhhh. Technically if you buy something to make your life better, you are making your own life better.
Too bad the unreasonable man is typically unemployed.
Some of your comparisons don't make sense. For example, iPAQ vs iPhone, PirateBay vs. iTunes, and netbook vs. iPad. iPAQ's are old ass PDA's or PDA's combined with smart phones. Hardly comparable. PirateBay is a website where everything is free and/or illegal, not a content delivery system you install on your pc, nor would I call iTunes superior in many ways nor easier to use. A netbook is a mini-laptop, not a tablet at all. Netbooks aren't even meant to compete with the same market. Other tablets existed before netbooks and iPad you could compare to.
Apparently they are a whole lot dumber. Claiming you own a design patent on rectangles is a pretty asinine thing to be allowed in any court.
I hate my Android phone. Droid Eris. It has so many annoying hardware and software glitches I can't list them all.
This has been true of cell phones for quite some time. Before smart phones, you had to use proprietary platforms for the most part. Even some android phones have non-standard cables today. Also, you can use iTunes in Windows. I get pissed off at Apple sometimes too, but you can't say they are the only ones pulling bullshit, anti-consumer tactics. Hell, the entire cell industry is significantly more anti-consumer than it should be.
Cue Apple-Head orgasms following the foreplay that is this long drawn out and annoying event.
CS classes will be as useful as actual real-world programming experience
One more thing. I see this sentiment a lot, but I fail to actually see it in real life, at least if you are referring to the programming side of things. Im sure the business side has a learning curve. Im pretty sure I can program anything I need to program, it just might take some research. Who doesn't do research when they program something new? Do you remember absolutely everything and never need to look anything up? A proper science curriculum teaches you how to look for information, and how to absorb it for application. Sure, you may not learn every quirk of a particular platform or language in school, but you learn how to digest such information and adapt if you didn't spend your time in college getting drunk and burning out. I get the feeling that too many programmers whom never went to college have jealousy issues with people who did, and have to make shit up about how incompetent they are just to feel better about themselves. These are the same people that have grievous gaps in their knowledge. In my own experience with self-taught programmers, they don't even know basic precalculus stuff, or trigonometry, or numerical analysis. Having experience programming for trading platforms, this doesn't make any fucking sense. You can simplify your algorithms, or do many different things more efficiently if you simply understood this information. I have had people actually have problems actually figuring out how to calculate slopes of lines, or solve for a variable in some equation. Give me a break. This is inexcusable for someone who is suppose to be making software that works efficiently, and correctly.
1 month is pretty standard for training time. My current job has a 3 month training time. This basically boils down to the age old "How can I get experience when nobody hires anyone without experience?" problem. Thankfully I am supporting C# programmers right now on our platform so its a good stepping stone.
The job market is proving the worth of your degree. I know it sucks
Its a MS in applied mathematics with significant programming experience. The job market doesn't prove the worth of a degree, only what short sighted nimrods are willing to except as qualifications. I can program in several languages, but I do not know SPSS. I can't claim I do on my CV, so I can't apply to the myriad of jobs that require it which actually do pay well. I am currently teaching myself, but I am having difficulty convincing employers I know it since I didn't take it in college, and most want transcripts. Statistically, I should make way more than I do even if I was outside 2 standard deviations. Though you don't know what I make and I am not going to say, look up "Applied math / CS" salaries. I make less than a third of that. I thought about going back for my PhD but that would just be more loans without any feasible way to repay it. Unfortunately my age group has a 24 percent unemployment rate so any jobs available are highly competitive, and we are competing with older folks as well. By law of Supply/demand, employers have all the bargaining power to pay you badly right now. You may see the world through rose colored glasses of a successful person, but it was easier for you. You grew up in a time of economic expansion. Today, there are significantly less young people that can "just teach themself" and expect any employment at all. Though you may hire people this way, try applying to hundreds of jobs like I have or any number of my acquaintances have and see what happens. There are many of us younger people being left behind even though we are qualified to do many jobs. This is a statistical fact. When I see that US corporations are sitting on more in profits now than before the recession of 2008-2010, and they still aren't hiring anyone from my age group (or hiring in general), it pretty much proves my point. Wealthy sitting on their money, rather than bothering to expand business. Trickle down doesn't work, it is the nature of wealth to accumulate in a few hands unless downward pressure is put on it.
Don't they issue a certificate if you pass the course? Shit, I signed up for the basic and I wanted to get the certificate, just so I can add some fluff to my CV (yeah, sort of bullshit but employers like it).
Programming classes legendarily do a poor job of teaching logical thinking and reasoning skills anyway.
I think that is why employers usually like it when you have a strong math background as well. Just looking at average salaries for applied math / CS guys its quite a bit more than just a CS guy (unless you program for some high demand field).
You would need some programming experience. Something like 1 year of university courses in CS or a few "CS for Dummies" books. The issue is you wont understand how programming works, its syntax, etc.
Funny how that works. Ive seen jobs offered I know I could do since I have programming experience from CS classes, my applied mathematics curriculum, as well as experience working in a lab as a programmer during my MS curriculum. All it would take is maybe a month of learning the languages they want, however since I don't KNOW it right now they won't even consider me. This being the case, I just decided Im going to learn a bunch of them on my own. It boggles my mind why HR and management don't understand once you have taught yourself to learn, and proven that you can do so by getting good grades and a masters degree, that you would be able to fulfill jobs that may not be specifically in your immediate skill set. I mean come on, I know how to program in C, C++, C#, Java, and Matlab, pretty sure I could learn Python or SPSS assholes.
You are right, correlation does not equal causation. However last time wealth disparity was this bad there was the great depression. Its enough to make at least a partial conclusion that perhaps this is a bad thing. The money is sitting in investments of course, but its not circulating into the hands of anyone but the top 10 percent. Everyone at the bottom is getting poorer and poorer bleeding wealth out to the rich since we have to buy food, gasoline, electricity, etc., or having the wealth simply destroyed like when home prices went down. Having been through college and obtaining a masters degree in applied mathematics, I can tell you its not an easy task at all. It requires dedication, intelligence, and hard work. You wouldn't hire someone that can stick through something like that? You only hire people that didn't have the balls nor brains to go to college? Your anti-intellectualism is pretty much standard for most people that are undeserving rich assholes. Simply put, I am more educated and intelligent than most people, and I definitely work harder than most people. Why aren't I rich? Well, no-one is hiring for a fair wage, nor am I able to statistically make what I am worth after trying for the last year and applying to hundreds of jobs. I finally settled for one, but I can't even pay off student loans. Why is it that a country wants to punish people for actually being educated? After all, its the educated people that even make most things in your life you take for granted possible. One more thing, loaning money to others is one reason we are in this mess, with everyone including government owing everything to the banks and/or the fed.
You are forgetting that people also make millions of dollars from their own personal investments. How does inflation not affect the average person as well? Poor, poor wealthy people. I feel so sorry for them making 20 times what an average person will make in a life time and having it taxed at least as much as the average person. The more money you have the easier it is to make more money, thats why they should tax it more. Wealthy people benefit from this society more than everyone else, so they should pay for it.
If it were true that investments made our economy run smoother and made more jobs for people I would support that, unfortunately the opposite is true as it seems since we have had years of tax cuts on wealthy people and we still have a shitty economy with high unemployment rates. The wealthy are sitting on the largest sums of money for a century, and they aren't doing shit for anyone else, such as giving them a job or investing in start ups. Entrepreneurship has been decreasing steadily for decades. Meanwhile, the upper 10 percent have increased their share of the wealth 3 fold since 1980, and much much more than that since 1920. If a wealthy person didn't finish college and that's their excuse for not knowing algebra, then they are simply a moron considering you learn it in high school, contradicting your "The wealthiest 10 percent are the smartest" theory. I would also argue, there are millions of workers that work twice as hard as any CEO since their jobs are long and demanding, like construction. They don't get paid millions of dollars, but they work harder? Hmm. If there weren't inheritance and disproportionate privileged for the children of wealthy parents I would agree with your "upper 10 percent are the hardest working". As it is you can inherit a bunch of money and live the rest of your life making investments, or you can work for your daddies company making way more than you are worth, or you can pay off an ivy league school and get a degree that will make you tons of money. There is a huge swath of young educated people that can't make shit wages because of wealthy people hoarding their money and refusing to use it for business. Trickle down doesnt work, its never worked because wealthy people don't like giving up their money for any reason. Its easier to simply all agree to pay people shit wages, and make them work twice as hard while systematically removing the workers rights to unionize to prevent such abuse. The wealthy benefit way more from this society than the average person does, and as such they should pay for it.
I explain that as Obama being a shitty leader, and politicians generally being incompetent. I genuinely believe they just didn't know what to do since the shit that has been happening is unprecedented. Now, when people are try to solve the problem and are trying to use their heads, all you see is a complete lack of any willingness to compromise at all coming from the right. They say the dumbest shit in their defense as well, "Why not tax the 50 percent who don't pay taxes, even though they usually make less than 22000 a year!". "No new taxes! Even though we have millions of elderly that rely on social security to live and spending cuts simply wont solve the problem by itself". Its all crap. So far, I have seen more reasonable arguments from the left probably because they haven't been taken over by tea party morons.
So additional income from money you invest is not income? Give me a break. This is why 10 percent of the population controls 90 percent of all wealth. Do you seriously think that 10 percent of the population is so much smarter and harder working than the other 90? I have a millionaire boss who I had to do basic algebra for, and I am also working here more often than he is. Both parties increase spending, with republicans just as bad as democrats. Funny thing about republicans though, they only want to cut democrat supported programs.
In other words, violation of second amendment.
Id like to know what they even charged you with considering you had the handgun in open sight.
Being offended is a poor excuse to bother people with your idiocy.
Typical right winger drivel. Can't handle the fact that there are more reasonable people in the world so he has to invent his own reality.
Sure they were, that's why the bill sucks so bad. Republicans wanted it to fail, so they made it shitty with compromises. No-one on the right ever budges on anything, because they are assholes. Everyone on the left always budges on everything, because they are pussies.
You completely misunderstand the left all together. I have never seen a group try to compromise more than the left. Its built into their "bleeding hearts", since they try to protect people even from themselves (which is not always best). You are basically arguing using a false analogy of "the left wants all our money". Bullshit. The left wants a more progressive distribution of wealth, and tends to also lean towards health care. Sometimes they go about it the wrong way, but it certainly isn't fair that I pay 30 percent of my pay checks when I make next to nothing, and some guy pays 15 percent of the millions he makes off of investments. Either reduce my taxes to 15 percent or raise theirs. Thats the argument of the left.