I'll assume you're not a US citizen, and aren't familiar with the structure of the country's government.
Do you mind try answering again, please? Making a relation between the title of the post and the idea of "enforcing"? (who are actually the guarantors of the constitution? Are there any?)
Granted, my first question should have been: does expression on Internet qualify for free-speech? I assumed a positive response to it. might have been wrong, though
I tend to disagree, what with millions of people congregated around the same services. Most people I know (personal experience, not scientific) check their Facebook 10-20 times a day compared to once a day (if that) for e-mail. Those who tweet, tend to tweet often. Yes, message boards, newsgroups, mailing lists, and so on were around long before this, but I don't think there were ever this many people on one unified service that is used near-ubiquitously.
Well, about 2.5 years ago over one billion of people believed that "house prices never go down". Do you believe that now Internet and communications is no longer possible without FaeceBook and Twitter?
You think SPAM is bad? You've not seen anything compared to what would happen if you could not say where your IP/DNS/Traffic is from.
I don't too much care from where (what IP address) it's coming from as long as I can certify the identity of the party I'm discussing with and have just enough control of the channel for a conversation not to be cut down.
If you think the above is childish, thing again... if it doesn't work inside, try to step out of the box while at it (mesh for transport, peer-to-peer, encrypted, with enough control over the level of trust: paranoids may exchange their public encryption keys encrypted themselves using one-time-pad or by steganography in dead-tree newspaper adverts).
State Farm and Farmers Insurance are two early customers
The biggest incentive was the presence of FarmVille as new market niche, but until know not enough support for the employees to create a coherent sale pitch for this segment. Now, this is possible... loud an clear... mooo!
If they are without JavaScript, you are stuck within the "power of expression" of HTML.
If they are without JavaScript, they're probably not the target market anyway. But suggesting that this limits you to HTML... really? I guess server side code doesn't exist?
Lapse of mouth, my apologies (the server side logic is implicitly understood as present)
If they are "powered" by JavaScript, the cross-browser compatibility and debugging/tracing on "what the hell is wrong" becomes quickly a nightmare...
Having done web development, frankly, no it doesn't, not if you know what you're doing.
Yeap, this is why many Web2.0 interfaces look different enough in different browsers?
everything is Runtime and interpreted, no strong typing,
Which means the application itself was much, much quicker to develop and easier to maintain. Also, I have to say, I've never once been saved by the type system that I can remember -- the kinds of bugs I run into, even if they're runtime, never arise because I was using an object of the wrong type. Not once.
Yes. yes, I believe you... you are a very accurate typer and never mis-type a variable name when using it.
a very loose "Object Oriented" programming paradigm,
Erm... What's "loose" about prototypal inheritance? What makes classical inheritance better?
No offense,
None taken. Method overriding is awkward and method overloading is missing. Because of the missing strong-typing among others.
and but are you sure you actually understand the JavaScript object model?
Yes I do.
managing the "context/status of the application" may - and will - create troubles due to the lack of concurrent programming,
Also means we don't need locking. That's right, web apps don't deadlock.
No, indeed no deadlock, they simply suffer from race-conditions. Awfully. For instance, loading the/. and pressing the "LogIn" link too soon (before the necessary scripts are fully initialized) results in nothing. Need to reload the entire page and wait a bit (2-3 seconds) until the adverts (requested via JS) ran completely before the script on the "LogIn" link is initialized (by a JS that runs later). And this behavior is not even consistent across many attempts.
almost everything is asynchronous,
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Yes, it is. It does mean extensive workarounds when you need a synchronous behavior.
Now, look, we may have different real-life experiences in regards with GUI and business systems. it's OK if we agree to disagree. The/. forum is probably OK with Web+JS, nobody is hurt of a "reload page to login" or a "double submission" (this because of the "server-side logic" acting weird at times). I don't think however that a GUI for a stock-trader can be reasonable written in JavaScript running in browser: any mis-synchronization hurts, any bugs have the potential to bring loses, any slippage in the delivery of an update causes missed opportunities.
"The Cloud" is mainframe madness on a large scale. Mainframes were killed off years ago for many reasons. Single point of failure: internet is down, you, your business is down. No thanks.
To which I'd add: internet is down, can't even play them games offline. No thanks.
why does it seem as if everybody wants to make us dependent on a 24/7 connection to the web
How else do I say it: Because it's *easier*! Rumors that desktop application development is "well understood", well documented, and highly developed, are incorrect.
See the difference yet?
Rumors that Web interface is easy to build are grossly exaggerated. If they are without JavaScript, you are stuck within the "power of expression" of HTML. If they are "powered" by JavaScript, the cross-browser compatibility and debugging/tracing on "what the hell is wrong" becomes quickly a nightmare (everything is Runtime and interpreted, no strong typing, a very loose "Object Oriented" programming paradigm, managing the "context/status of the application" may - and will - create troubles due to the lack of concurrent programming, almost everything is asynchronous, etc).
The best combination for crafting an application I encountered: sandboxed but still rich/smart clients, potentially written as an "update-able plugin". SWT/Eclipse Framework is the first example to spring in mind - many others may exist - : write your application as an Eclipse Plugin and use Eclipse Framework the way an "Web application uses a browser".
Obviously you have to be cautious about who you do business with. But this is ultimately a good reason to avoid using US currency at all, or dealing with any major banks.
But, I admit, a credit union sounds better to me than a major bank.
In a world so volatile that, if you are 200 msec late, you risk losing the value of your investment or savings? Good luck "putting your money in something at your choice".
Obviously you have to be cautious about who you do business with. But this is ultimately a good reason to avoid using US currency at all, or dealing with any major banks.
To me, sound like jumping from the fry pan into the fire. The govt is (theoretically) responsible for the good of its citizens, while for sure a corporate is only responsible (in a limited way, risks are always assumed in an investment) only to its stakeholders (not necessary its customers). But who am I to object to the way you are dealing with your money?
What is wrong, in principle with a killswitch, if the correct checks and balances are in place? What is a better solution?
Well to start with the term "Kill Switch" isn't defined at all, anywhere. Are we talking about some kind of automated system? Are we talking about adding a special government login to all the core internet routers so they can just shut them down? The Devil is in the details, and we have none right now.
We really don't need to implement any kind of technology solution. We already can easily shut down traffic to/from any ip space we want to. All it takes is a someone to say "do it" and the people with the right access to actually do it. If this "kill switch" is simply a pre-determined set of procedures, and a clear communication chain between the White House and the Tier1 internet providers, a few brief phone calls is all it would take to shut down any IP space within a few minutes.
Agree: we don't really need to implement the kill switch... but only because it is impossible to do it. And no, "block whatever IP" is not nearly enough when you speak of hundreds of thousands of IP addresses to be identified first, blocked afterwards, all in a short time.
To illustrate: create a stealth botnet inside the perimeter (say, inside US borders) and at a certain moment trigger the attack. The kill-switch will do what? Shutdown the perimeter***? That's useless, the botnet is inside the perimeter. Shutdown the entire network inside the perimeter? Hell's breaking loose - stopping the legit traffic is more damaging than the attack itself.
The only reasonable solution: keep what's critical out of the internet, build a dedicated network for it if you really need networking between them.
*** speaking of "shutdown the perimeter" - is anyone going to stop the phone links too? Or the WiFi spectrum as well? Because I can still imagine a dialup modem connected to a (private) computer inside the perimeter... or a directional WiFi connection from outside the borders. Maybe not enough for High Frequency Trading, but more than enough for a bot-herder.
Because you may finish in loosing everything you worked for because the alternative currency is abused by a corporate you cannot even vote out every 4 years.
Alternative currencies are the only way to prevent this! You can choose what to put your money into.
In a world so volatile that, if you are 200 msec late, you risk losing the value of your investment or savings? Good luck "putting your money in something at your choice".
Yes, I know... And this is scary: the fact Zynga can function as a "private mint", yet having their currency treated as it would be an official banknote (traded on black-market, valuated against real-world "virtual currency"... that is dollar... obtaining a conviction of a person for "stealing them"?).
Why is that scary? I find it inspiring. It means that alternative currencies are possible today.
Because you may finish in loosing everything you worked for because the alternative currency is abused by a corporate you cannot even vote out every 4 years.
It's pretty much the same concept as buying a gift voucher for a store. If Zynga will honour their agreement, and the customer thinks it's worth the money, I don't see what the big deal is.
Right... IF
IF the financial world would have honoured their agreement and would have not wrap toxic mortgages in triple-A bonds to be sold to customers that thought the triple-A rating is real, then we wouldn't have spoken now about world economic crisis.
IF the same financial world suddenly see Zynga-and-friends as a way to get around regulations and escape in an "unregulated virtual world", given that your salary in the bank and pension-funds is as "virtual" as the Zynga-dollars, what is going to happen them (your salary, savings and pension-fund) when "game" gets abused? You think Zynga (the creator of ScamVille) will have any care about their "virtual economy" as long as they are profiting?... in a real-world in which other "virtual mints" compete for the "customer share"? You think the govts will bail-out again if the Zynga economy crashes and bury under the rubles a good chuck of real world "virtual-money"?
Since it already started, it scares the 5#!t out of me to see that a real-world judge protects them!
Yes, I know... And this is scary: the fact Zynga can function as a "private mint", yet having their currency treated as it would be an official banknote (traded on black-market, valuated against real-world "virtual currency"... that is dollar... obtaining a conviction of a person for "stealing them"?). Do you think Zynga will take care of the "inflation rate" on their currency? Do you think it is far the moment the "real-world persons" will start to be interested in different "virtual currencies"? How long 'til "real-world money" laundering/tax evasion and other schemes will get too tempting for the "Zynga's virtual economy" to refuse?
Being both virtual, how long 'til the financial will start trading real stock for "private virtual currency"?
The success rate for recovery is still quite low, with only around 20 percent of the public said to consistently leave good ridge detail or indicate target areas for DNA collection due to the presence of sweat.
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So, who's actually enforcing the constitution?
I'll assume you're not a US citizen, and aren't familiar with the structure of the country's government.
Do you mind try answering again, please? Making a relation between the title of the post and the idea of "enforcing"? (who are actually the guarantors of the constitution? Are there any?)
Granted, my first question should have been: does expression on Internet qualify for free-speech? I assumed a positive response to it. might have been wrong, though
The result is often is places like Berlusconi's party, where women are chosen by their looks instead of merit.
For Berlusconi's parties, the merit is exclusively the look - you think Berlusconi would admit anybody else but himself has a merit?
I tend to disagree, what with millions of people congregated around the same services. Most people I know (personal experience, not scientific) check their Facebook 10-20 times a day compared to once a day (if that) for e-mail. Those who tweet, tend to tweet often. Yes, message boards, newsgroups, mailing lists, and so on were around long before this, but I don't think there were ever this many people on one unified service that is used near-ubiquitously.
Well, about 2.5 years ago over one billion of people believed that "house prices never go down".
Do you believe that now Internet and communications is no longer possible without FaeceBook and Twitter?
You think SPAM is bad? You've not seen anything compared to what would happen if you could not say where your IP/DNS/Traffic is from.
I don't too much care from where (what IP address) it's coming from as long as I can certify the identity of the party I'm discussing with and have just enough control of the channel for a conversation not to be cut down.
If you think the above is childish, thing again... if it doesn't work inside, try to step out of the box while at it (mesh for transport, peer-to-peer, encrypted, with enough control over the level of trust: paranoids may exchange their public encryption keys encrypted themselves using one-time-pad or by steganography in dead-tree newspaper adverts).
3. TPB replacing DNS, Effect: More deep packet inspection
They can inspect no matter how many packets or how deep they want, as long as they don't cut the internet (hint: encryption).
people are calling net neutrality a government regulation
If it's enforced by the government, that's exactly what it is.
So, who's actually enforcing the constitution?
State Farm and Farmers Insurance are two early customers
The biggest incentive was the presence of FarmVille as new market niche, but until know not enough support for the employees to create a coherent sale pitch for this segment. Now, this is possible... loud an clear... mooo!
If they are without JavaScript, you are stuck within the "power of expression" of HTML.
If they are without JavaScript, they're probably not the target market anyway. But suggesting that this limits you to HTML... really? I guess server side code doesn't exist?
Lapse of mouth, my apologies (the server side logic is implicitly understood as present)
If they are "powered" by JavaScript, the cross-browser compatibility and debugging/tracing on "what the hell is wrong" becomes quickly a nightmare...
Having done web development, frankly, no it doesn't, not if you know what you're doing.
Yeap, this is why many Web2.0 interfaces look different enough in different browsers?
everything is Runtime and interpreted, no strong typing,
Which means the application itself was much, much quicker to develop and easier to maintain. Also, I have to say, I've never once been saved by the type system that I can remember -- the kinds of bugs I run into, even if they're runtime, never arise because I was using an object of the wrong type. Not once.
Yes. yes, I believe you... you are a very accurate typer and never mis-type a variable name when using it.
a very loose "Object Oriented" programming paradigm,
Erm... What's "loose" about prototypal inheritance? What makes classical inheritance better?
No offense,
None taken. Method overriding is awkward and method overloading is missing. Because of the missing strong-typing among others.
and but are you sure you actually understand the JavaScript object model?
Yes I do.
managing the "context/status of the application" may - and will - create troubles due to the lack of concurrent programming,
Also means we don't need locking. That's right, web apps don't deadlock.
No, indeed no deadlock, they simply suffer from race-conditions. Awfully. /. and pressing the "LogIn" link too soon (before the necessary scripts are fully initialized) results in nothing. Need to reload the entire page and wait a bit (2-3 seconds) until the adverts (requested via JS) ran completely before the script on the "LogIn" link is initialized (by a JS that runs later). And this behavior is not even consistent across many attempts.
For instance, loading the
almost everything is asynchronous,
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Yes, it is. It does mean extensive workarounds when you need a synchronous behavior.
Now, look, we may have different real-life experiences in regards with GUI and business systems. it's OK if we agree to disagree. /. forum is probably OK with Web+JS, nobody is hurt of a "reload page to login" or a "double submission" (this because of the "server-side logic" acting weird at times). I don't think however that a GUI for a stock-trader can be reasonable written in JavaScript running in browser: any mis-synchronization hurts, any bugs have the potential to bring loses, any slippage in the delivery of an update causes missed opportunities.
The
"The Cloud" is mainframe madness on a large scale. Mainframes were killed off years ago for many reasons. Single point of failure: internet is down, you, your business is down. No thanks.
To which I'd add: internet is down, can't even play them games offline. No thanks.
why does it seem as if everybody wants to make us dependent on a 24/7 connection to the web
How else do I say it: Because it's *easier*! Rumors that desktop application development is "well understood", well documented, and highly developed, are incorrect.
See the difference yet?
Rumors that Web interface is easy to build are grossly exaggerated.
If they are without JavaScript, you are stuck within the "power of expression" of HTML. If they are "powered" by JavaScript, the cross-browser compatibility and debugging/tracing on "what the hell is wrong" becomes quickly a nightmare (everything is Runtime and interpreted, no strong typing, a very loose "Object Oriented" programming paradigm, managing the "context/status of the application" may - and will - create troubles due to the lack of concurrent programming, almost everything is asynchronous, etc).
The best combination for crafting an application I encountered: sandboxed but still rich/smart clients, potentially written as an "update-able plugin". SWT/Eclipse Framework is the first example to spring in mind - many others may exist - : write your application as an Eclipse Plugin and use Eclipse Framework the way an "Web application uses a browser".
They basically argued that for something to be "free as in speech", it has to NOT be "free, as in beer".
Long live open-source porn.
Obviously you have to be cautious about who you do business with. But this is ultimately a good reason to avoid using US currency at all, or dealing with any major banks.
But, I admit, a credit union sounds better to me than a major bank.
In a world so volatile that, if you are 200 msec late, you risk losing the value of your investment or savings? Good luck "putting your money in something at your choice".
Obviously you have to be cautious about who you do business with. But this is ultimately a good reason to avoid using US currency at all, or dealing with any major banks.
To me, sound like jumping from the fry pan into the fire. The govt is (theoretically) responsible for the good of its citizens, while for sure a corporate is only responsible (in a limited way, risks are always assumed in an investment) only to its stakeholders (not necessary its customers).
But who am I to object to the way you are dealing with your money?
What is wrong, in principle with a killswitch, if the correct checks and balances are in place? What is a better solution?
Well to start with the term "Kill Switch" isn't defined at all, anywhere. Are we talking about some kind of automated system? Are we talking about adding a special government login to all the core internet routers so they can just shut them down? The Devil is in the details, and we have none right now.
We really don't need to implement any kind of technology solution. We already can easily shut down traffic to/from any ip space we want to. All it takes is a someone to say "do it" and the people with the right access to actually do it. If this "kill switch" is simply a pre-determined set of procedures, and a clear communication chain between the White House and the Tier1 internet providers, a few brief phone calls is all it would take to shut down any IP space within a few minutes.
Agree: we don't really need to implement the kill switch... but only because it is impossible to do it. And no, "block whatever IP" is not nearly enough when you speak of hundreds of thousands of IP addresses to be identified first, blocked afterwards, all in a short time.
To illustrate: create a stealth botnet inside the perimeter (say, inside US borders) and at a certain moment trigger the attack. The kill-switch will do what? Shutdown the perimeter***? That's useless, the botnet is inside the perimeter. Shutdown the entire network inside the perimeter? Hell's breaking loose - stopping the legit traffic is more damaging than the attack itself.
The only reasonable solution: keep what's critical out of the internet, build a dedicated network for it if you really need networking between them.
*** speaking of "shutdown the perimeter" - is anyone going to stop the phone links too? Or the WiFi spectrum as well? Because I can still imagine a dialup modem connected to a (private) computer inside the perimeter... or a directional WiFi connection from outside the borders. Maybe not enough for High Frequency Trading, but more than enough for a bot-herder.
Because you may finish in loosing everything you worked for because the alternative currency is abused by a corporate you cannot even vote out every 4 years.
Alternative currencies are the only way to prevent this! You can choose what to put your money into.
In a world so volatile that, if you are 200 msec late, you risk losing the value of your investment or savings? Good luck "putting your money in something at your choice".
"The 19-year old claims that his solar device has the intensity of 5,000 suns."
Surely it has the intensity of 5,800 x the amount of solar energy collected by a tiny mirror 93m miles away from the sun?
It is the intensity (in W/sqm) not the energy or power. Given that he uses 5800 small mirrors concentrating the radiation on 1 sq.cm... here you go.
If you haven't already read "Halting State" by Charlie Stross .
No, I didn't. Thanks for the reference, seems promising.
Yes, I know... And this is scary: the fact Zynga can function as a "private mint", yet having their currency treated as it would be an official banknote (traded on black-market, valuated against real-world "virtual currency"... that is dollar... obtaining a conviction of a person for "stealing them"?).
Why is that scary? I find it inspiring. It means that alternative currencies are possible today.
Because you may finish in loosing everything you worked for because the alternative currency is abused by a corporate you cannot even vote out every 4 years.
It's pretty much the same concept as buying a gift voucher for a store. If Zynga will honour their agreement, and the customer thinks it's worth the money, I don't see what the big deal is.
Right... IF
IF the financial world would have honoured their agreement and would have not wrap toxic mortgages in triple-A bonds to be sold to customers that thought the triple-A rating is real, then we wouldn't have spoken now about world economic crisis.
IF the same financial world suddenly see Zynga-and-friends as a way to get around regulations and escape in an "unregulated virtual world", given that your salary in the bank and pension-funds is as "virtual" as the Zynga-dollars, what is going to happen them (your salary, savings and pension-fund) when "game" gets abused?
You think Zynga (the creator of ScamVille) will have any care about their "virtual economy" as long as they are profiting?... in a real-world in which other "virtual mints" compete for the "customer share"? You think the govts will bail-out again if the Zynga economy crashes and bury under the rubles a good chuck of real world "virtual-money"?
Since it already started, it scares the 5#!t out of me to see that a real-world judge protects them!
Yes, I know... And this is scary: the fact Zynga can function as a "private mint", yet having their currency treated as it would be an official banknote (traded on black-market, valuated against real-world "virtual currency"... that is dollar... obtaining a conviction of a person for "stealing them"?).
Do you think Zynga will take care of the "inflation rate" on their currency? Do you think it is far the moment the "real-world persons" will start to be interested in different "virtual currencies"? How long 'til "real-world money" laundering/tax evasion and other schemes will get too tempting for the "Zynga's virtual economy" to refuse?
Being both virtual, how long 'til the financial will start trading real stock for "private virtual currency"?
The next boom/bust cycle will happen with virtual currency. Hope that nobody's retirement savings will be invested in the virtual world.
Light years measures distance not time..
Of course... ever since we learnt about Golden Falcon, everybody knows that time is measured in parsecs.
In understand that involve fabrics... but still quite a distance from a cloth to censoring-the-pipes (Web-ified or not).
The success rate for recovery is still quite low, with only around 20 percent of the public said to consistently leave good ridge detail or indicate target areas for DNA collection due to the presence of sweat.
Maybe they should sweat more.
We've known about hydrocarbon seas on Titan for a couple years now and we have yet to invade...
You just wait for us to finish the mess in Afghanistan and we'll discover some terrorist/WMD on Titan.