No, I think Hurricane78 is right on this. Why pay $2k for a 2 processor (12core) setup on the CPUs alone and think they are saving $1k by using ddr2? The difference in price is very little today. Not only that but when it comes to vm imho ram is far more important than cpu power. If you want a good setup you'll make sure you get the best ram for the job first then worry about the cpus second.
Who would buy a 12core system for VM and not have it use ddr3 today? It nearly defeats the point.
because games tomorrow will not use 6 cores and an i7 is a better idea because it uses threads which operating systems can not even properly seem to take advantage of let alone video games, right?
The post is about making a laptop. laptops are not exclusive to video games.
The speed increase in 10.6 is mainly from the developer end so if you use cs3 and expect it to magically run faster you're kidding yourself.
Wait for cs5 and hopefully it will have a lot of openCL support and 64 bit support. That is when moving from 10.5 to 10.6 should be beneficial, not before.
Honestly, I'm worried cs6 will be the major jump in speed. It feels like years (because it is years) for developers to catch up. What gives?
I'm not on an i7 so I can't see the effects with threads vs cores which ultimately should be the biggest change.
All of the programs that come with the OS are nice but none of them are really cpu hogs. The programs that I use pre compiled like firefox have little to no noticeable change.
I believe that for GC to take effect the program has to be properly compiled for the environment. It actually makes it harder to benchmark or check for changes then you would thing without making a custom benchmark tool but I tend to base the speed changes from every day use not from a simulation.
Intel is releasing laptop i7 cpus in a couple of months. If 10.6 came out when the macbook hardware jumped to an i7 it would be one giant boost in sales. However, if 10.6 comes out right before the hardware update (by a couple of months) it will boost sales twice over.
From my own personal experience (which doesn't say much) 10.6 is far more stable than 10.5 from the OS end and the apps that come with the OS. However, since it is x86-64 how many apps do you manually install and setup on your server that do not come with the OS? And of those apps how many of them could potentially have unusual issues after being compiled for 64 bit? Probably little to none, but if you're running a server you might want to wait a couple of months till the developers catch up before upgrading so you know the software you run on the machine is stable not just the software that comes with the OS and not just the OS itself.
Thank you. I'm a newer user here as in I've probably commented less than 20 times now so I'm not sure if it is an honor to see replies like this but regardless I'm happy. ^_^
I was worried and almost didn't post that comment. Everything above was debating about crap I didn't care about and I felt my post was to egotistical commenting about my own experiences of a product that is no yet out even if I do have the final retail. And even so, expressing that I have something others can not obtain easily can make me look like a dick, so you know.. I'm glad my intentions where not miss interpreted.
I'm on 10.6 right now and even the betas seemed far more stable than 10.5. Also, the speed increase is definitely there. I honestly never expected moving to 64 bit using every day desktop apps like mail and safari would have a noticeable speed increase, but I was wrong. It is much faster. However, I admit the speed increase is the most noticeable on first load of that app, or a cold start. After that most apps in 10.5 are so fast the speed increase in 10.6 is hardly noticeable.
The dock has changed yet again. The even in the most resent release of 10.5 I have issues dragging an item from a folder in the dock to the trash. If I do this to quickly the trash can does not come up. 10.6 has cleaned out most (if not all) of the dock issues in 10.5 in my case. The new folder design in the dock is nice but I wish it had more options. I would love to shrink the icon size or change the display format (like details) in the folders in the dock.
Quicktime X bothers me. The logo for the new quicktime in the dock is terrible looking and when running the program even if the UI looks nice it doesn't match the rest of the OS. It is like running the most recent version of windows media player in Win2k. The theme may be nice but it is kind of odd. They also removed features I used from quicktime 7. Like, I would go into full screen and it would auto start playing. In quicktime X I have to manually hit the play button after full screen. If I stream a video I can't find the options any more to turn off the auto play. I hate it when it starts playing randomly when the window is minimized ffs.
All in all, 10.6 is nice but so is 10.5 and honestly the UI changes with the dock and quicktime in 10.6 I dislike. I would of been much happier with 10.6 looking identical to 10.5 and just running faster and being far more stable.
The only features I haven't "played" with yet is OpenCL. My macbook pro has a 128meg geforce 8600 which is the min requirements. In windows for openCL the min is 256meg (it sometimes works half assed with 128meg) so I need to make an RSA decrypter or something to see how well it runs. I'm honestly not expecting much in this area.
I'm currently using Snow Leopard and I honestly have to admit I'm a bit disappointed with it.
The folders in the dock thing (dunno what it is called) they added in 10.5 looks different in 10.6. Even if the folder popup thingy runs a bit better the black look does not completely match the gray.
The Quicktime X logo looks terrible and the UI does not match the OS at all. It is like they are copying what MS did with Win Media Player. Srsly wtf?
I do admit most programs that come with the OS are snappier and lighter than ever but 1) Loading time is still dependent on your hard drive. and 2) Once it is running there is no more loading time so the difference isn't even noticeable.
The only real difference is the API and the problem is no mainstream programs that I know of specialize in taking advantage of 10.6. Maybe there is an OSX 64 bit build of Firefox I do not know about? But will it really help speed wise?
The true advantage of 10.6 is with the developers and even then the difference is very subtle.
Personally, I wouldn't recommend upgrading to 10.6 until the programs you use every day are designed for it just like when XP 64 bit came out I wouldn't of recommended it for the same reasons.
Diesel engines are terrible when they are cold. This is why they come with separate heaters in the engine area. I'm not a car nut so I do not know the details but I'm 90% sure you wouldn't have a problem with the windows fogging up.
The real downside is the cold will make the mpg terrible. So, on a cold winter morning do not expect to get better mpg than the average gasoline engine.
The biggest advantage of diesels are during long trips running at high speeds. If you drive 30+ minutes on your commute to work and regularly drive longer trips than diesel is perfect for you. If you drive a mile everyday and that is it then get a hybrid instead.
Why do this when you could have just a normal diesel?
Electric has its advantages only at lower speeds. Because of no transmission you would have to run electric at around 40mph and lower then run off of the diesel at higher speeds to get any advantage.
Not only that but diesel is terribly inefficient when it is cold. To make this beneficial you would have to only drive long trips. Because of that it would be better if the electric came from batteries and then once you get on a freeway switch to diesel. If the trip is to short to use the diesel then just 100% pure electric from batteries would be more efficient.
You mixed up and down. (so you know) Also, the reason you're getting more is because 1 to 3 weeks ago (depending on your area) comcast upgraded the entire countries speed tiers. The normal 8/1 is now 16/2 (basic home internet) at $45 a month. They also added a cheaper tier which is like 1/384 or something of that nature. The top tier is now 50/10. So if you where paying for 16/2 then you're probably now paying for approx 24/5 but I do not have the exact speeds memorized.
If I was you I'd switch from the business line to the 50/10 for the same price. The only difference between retail and business is 1) business has better tech support on the phone and 2) static IPs. Business users are also suppose to get priority above home users but the truth is the type of modem you have decides priority in the end so someone currently paying for 50/10 which requires a docsis 3.0 modem will have higher priority than a business 24/5 user with a docsis 2.0 modem. If you switched to a docsis 3.0 modem for your business line then your priority would be same or greater than the 50/10 user. However, even in the most congested of areas with the new docsis 3.0 network changes you should never see a slowdown currently.
This is simply untrue. Back in the late 90's before DOCSIS spec cable internet no one was limited and there was no pricing tiers. You paid for internet and you got the max speed the line could support at that given time, period. Sure at maybe 7pm at night you might get 100kB/s and at 3am in the morning you might get 500kB/s but my point is that even if the line is maxed out on the ISPs end it does not necessarily raise your ping time as long as you're not using more bandwidth that is available at the moment.
So lets say the max speed of the cable line is 1000kB/s and everyone else is maxing out their net (19 other users). You have now 50kB/s to use for voip, gaming, or whatever you want. (50*20=1000) If your voip and gaming take over 50kB/s then your ping will jump up but if it does not then your ping will stay low.
Lets say the gaming takes 10kB/s and the cmts is still 1000kB/s. If 100 users max out their lines at once then each user gets 10kB/s and your ping if fine. However, if there was 150 users maxing out their line at once you'd have between 6-7kB/s and since the game is 10kB/s your ping would jump up.
The chance of the lines filling up so bad you can't play a video game is nearly impossible. Today on the 8 channel standard DOCSIS 3.0 setup the max is 300 down and 100 up. Now do the math and see how many users would have to max out their lines AT ONCE for your ping to spike up if your fps shooter ran at 10kB/s. (it is over 200,000 users on one cmts) Now put into fact that most nodes today have 2 to 5 users on them but out in some areas it hits up to 200+ users but rarely more.
So unrealistically is it possible for your ping to spike up from your neighbors? yes. Is there anywhere in the entire country where this could happen currently? No.
So your fears about your voip and gaming having 100ms+ ping times is impossible atm.
Neat! The idea of drawing a 2d picture and then having an engine that auto adds wireframe and all that fun stuff seems to remove a lot of work for the developer.
I honestly thought dx11 to be more of a dx10 where most of the alterations would not be noticed by the gamer (like threading) so I'm glad they are adding something visual to help people want to push to use dx11.
I'm an OSX user so don't get me wrong. I'm not exactly a fan of directx per say but any type of innovation towards pushing the market forward regardless which company or standard is doing it can't be all that bad in the end right?:)
DX10 was more to alter the hardware removing variation. DX10 had little to do with implementing how the user sees the game visually and more to do with how the cards are kept up to standard and the games are programmed. Honestly, I feel that DX11 will be somewhat that way as well with the gpgpu support, threads, and so on.
I'd still use win 2k if MS pumped out more security updates for it. To me that OS was the best MS ever produced. However, if I want to use an MS OS then it is XP now. How long until MS starts pushing for 7 and XP users are forced to upgrade for security reasons just like Win2k users where?
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No, I think Hurricane78 is right on this. Why pay $2k for a 2 processor (12core) setup on the CPUs alone and think they are saving $1k by using ddr2? The difference in price is very little today. Not only that but when it comes to vm imho ram is far more important than cpu power. If you want a good setup you'll make sure you get the best ram for the job first then worry about the cpus second.
Who would buy a 12core system for VM and not have it use ddr3 today? It nearly defeats the point.
because games tomorrow will not use 6 cores and an i7 is a better idea because it uses threads which operating systems can not even properly seem to take advantage of let alone video games, right?
The post is about making a laptop. laptops are not exclusive to video games.
If your computer is exploitable it could be rooted and then the ssh is pointless.
The speed increase in 10.6 is mainly from the developer end so if you use cs3 and expect it to magically run faster you're kidding yourself.
Wait for cs5 and hopefully it will have a lot of openCL support and 64 bit support. That is when moving from 10.5 to 10.6 should be beneficial, not before.
Honestly, I'm worried cs6 will be the major jump in speed. It feels like years (because it is years) for developers to catch up. What gives?
I'm not on an i7 so I can't see the effects with threads vs cores which ultimately should be the biggest change.
All of the programs that come with the OS are nice but none of them are really cpu hogs. The programs that I use pre compiled like firefox have little to no noticeable change.
I believe that for GC to take effect the program has to be properly compiled for the environment. It actually makes it harder to benchmark or check for changes then you would thing without making a custom benchmark tool but I tend to base the speed changes from every day use not from a simulation.
approx 90% of it is flash and the remaining 10% is the dock. :P
Intel is releasing laptop i7 cpus in a couple of months. If 10.6 came out when the macbook hardware jumped to an i7 it would be one giant boost in sales. However, if 10.6 comes out right before the hardware update (by a couple of months) it will boost sales twice over.
From my own personal experience (which doesn't say much) 10.6 is far more stable than 10.5 from the OS end and the apps that come with the OS. However, since it is x86-64 how many apps do you manually install and setup on your server that do not come with the OS? And of those apps how many of them could potentially have unusual issues after being compiled for 64 bit? Probably little to none, but if you're running a server you might want to wait a couple of months till the developers catch up before upgrading so you know the software you run on the machine is stable not just the software that comes with the OS and not just the OS itself.
Thank you. I'm a newer user here as in I've probably commented less than 20 times now so I'm not sure if it is an honor to see replies like this but regardless I'm happy. ^_^
I was worried and almost didn't post that comment. Everything above was debating about crap I didn't care about and I felt my post was to egotistical commenting about my own experiences of a product that is no yet out even if I do have the final retail. And even so, expressing that I have something others can not obtain easily can make me look like a dick, so you know.. I'm glad my intentions where not miss interpreted.
I'm on 10.6 right now and even the betas seemed far more stable than 10.5. Also, the speed increase is definitely there. I honestly never expected moving to 64 bit using every day desktop apps like mail and safari would have a noticeable speed increase, but I was wrong. It is much faster. However, I admit the speed increase is the most noticeable on first load of that app, or a cold start. After that most apps in 10.5 are so fast the speed increase in 10.6 is hardly noticeable.
The dock has changed yet again. The even in the most resent release of 10.5 I have issues dragging an item from a folder in the dock to the trash. If I do this to quickly the trash can does not come up. 10.6 has cleaned out most (if not all) of the dock issues in 10.5 in my case. The new folder design in the dock is nice but I wish it had more options. I would love to shrink the icon size or change the display format (like details) in the folders in the dock.
Quicktime X bothers me. The logo for the new quicktime in the dock is terrible looking and when running the program even if the UI looks nice it doesn't match the rest of the OS. It is like running the most recent version of windows media player in Win2k. The theme may be nice but it is kind of odd. They also removed features I used from quicktime 7. Like, I would go into full screen and it would auto start playing. In quicktime X I have to manually hit the play button after full screen. If I stream a video I can't find the options any more to turn off the auto play. I hate it when it starts playing randomly when the window is minimized ffs.
All in all, 10.6 is nice but so is 10.5 and honestly the UI changes with the dock and quicktime in 10.6 I dislike. I would of been much happier with 10.6 looking identical to 10.5 and just running faster and being far more stable.
The only features I haven't "played" with yet is OpenCL. My macbook pro has a 128meg geforce 8600 which is the min requirements. In windows for openCL the min is 256meg (it sometimes works half assed with 128meg) so I need to make an RSA decrypter or something to see how well it runs. I'm honestly not expecting much in this area.
I'm on 10.6 right now (not 10.6 server) and I can not find any zfs support. Is there something I'm missing here?
If this happened I can imagine there would be a class action lawsuit.
I'm currently using Snow Leopard and I honestly have to admit I'm a bit disappointed with it.
The folders in the dock thing (dunno what it is called) they added in 10.5 looks different in 10.6. Even if the folder popup thingy runs a bit better the black look does not completely match the gray.
The Quicktime X logo looks terrible and the UI does not match the OS at all. It is like they are copying what MS did with Win Media Player. Srsly wtf?
I do admit most programs that come with the OS are snappier and lighter than ever but 1) Loading time is still dependent on your hard drive. and 2) Once it is running there is no more loading time so the difference isn't even noticeable.
The only real difference is the API and the problem is no mainstream programs that I know of specialize in taking advantage of 10.6. Maybe there is an OSX 64 bit build of Firefox I do not know about? But will it really help speed wise?
The true advantage of 10.6 is with the developers and even then the difference is very subtle.
Personally, I wouldn't recommend upgrading to 10.6 until the programs you use every day are designed for it just like when XP 64 bit came out I wouldn't of recommended it for the same reasons.
That would be a fun daisy chain. Let me know how it turns out. :)
Diesel engines are terrible when they are cold. This is why they come with separate heaters in the engine area. I'm not a car nut so I do not know the details but I'm 90% sure you wouldn't have a problem with the windows fogging up.
The real downside is the cold will make the mpg terrible. So, on a cold winter morning do not expect to get better mpg than the average gasoline engine.
The biggest advantage of diesels are during long trips running at high speeds. If you drive 30+ minutes on your commute to work and regularly drive longer trips than diesel is perfect for you. If you drive a mile everyday and that is it then get a hybrid instead.
But a diesel hybrid does not have much to gain by hybridization.
As long as it has something to gain then that is better than nothing.
Why do this when you could have just a normal diesel?
Electric has its advantages only at lower speeds. Because of no transmission you would have to run electric at around 40mph and lower then run off of the diesel at higher speeds to get any advantage.
Not only that but diesel is terribly inefficient when it is cold. To make this beneficial you would have to only drive long trips. Because of that it would be better if the electric came from batteries and then once you get on a freeway switch to diesel. If the trip is to short to use the diesel then just 100% pure electric from batteries would be more efficient.
Why not a wankel diesel?
I believe a tractor company bought the patent though...
You mixed up and down. (so you know)
Also, the reason you're getting more is because 1 to 3 weeks ago (depending on your area) comcast upgraded the entire countries speed tiers. The normal 8/1 is now 16/2 (basic home internet) at $45 a month. They also added a cheaper tier which is like 1/384 or something of that nature. The top tier is now 50/10. So if you where paying for 16/2 then you're probably now paying for approx 24/5 but I do not have the exact speeds memorized.
If I was you I'd switch from the business line to the 50/10 for the same price. The only difference between retail and business is 1) business has better tech support on the phone and 2) static IPs. Business users are also suppose to get priority above home users but the truth is the type of modem you have decides priority in the end so someone currently paying for 50/10 which requires a docsis 3.0 modem will have higher priority than a business 24/5 user with a docsis 2.0 modem. If you switched to a docsis 3.0 modem for your business line then your priority would be same or greater than the 50/10 user. However, even in the most congested of areas with the new docsis 3.0 network changes you should never see a slowdown currently.
This is simply untrue. Back in the late 90's before DOCSIS spec cable internet no one was limited and there was no pricing tiers. You paid for internet and you got the max speed the line could support at that given time, period. Sure at maybe 7pm at night you might get 100kB/s and at 3am in the morning you might get 500kB/s but my point is that even if the line is maxed out on the ISPs end it does not necessarily raise your ping time as long as you're not using more bandwidth that is available at the moment.
So lets say the max speed of the cable line is 1000kB/s and everyone else is maxing out their net (19 other users). You have now 50kB/s to use for voip, gaming, or whatever you want. (50*20=1000) If your voip and gaming take over 50kB/s then your ping will jump up but if it does not then your ping will stay low.
Lets say the gaming takes 10kB/s and the cmts is still 1000kB/s. If 100 users max out their lines at once then each user gets 10kB/s and your ping if fine. However, if there was 150 users maxing out their line at once you'd have between 6-7kB/s and since the game is 10kB/s your ping would jump up.
The chance of the lines filling up so bad you can't play a video game is nearly impossible. Today on the 8 channel standard DOCSIS 3.0 setup the max is 300 down and 100 up. Now do the math and see how many users would have to max out their lines AT ONCE for your ping to spike up if your fps shooter ran at 10kB/s. (it is over 200,000 users on one cmts) Now put into fact that most nodes today have 2 to 5 users on them but out in some areas it hits up to 200+ users but rarely more.
So unrealistically is it possible for your ping to spike up from your neighbors? yes. Is there anywhere in the entire country where this could happen currently? No.
So your fears about your voip and gaming having 100ms+ ping times is impossible atm.
Neat! The idea of drawing a 2d picture and then having an engine that auto adds wireframe and all that fun stuff seems to remove a lot of work for the developer.
I honestly thought dx11 to be more of a dx10 where most of the alterations would not be noticed by the gamer (like threading) so I'm glad they are adding something visual to help people want to push to use dx11.
I'm an OSX user so don't get me wrong. I'm not exactly a fan of directx per say but any type of innovation towards pushing the market forward regardless which company or standard is doing it can't be all that bad in the end right? :)
DX10 was more to alter the hardware removing variation. DX10 had little to do with implementing how the user sees the game visually and more to do with how the cards are kept up to standard and the games are programmed. Honestly, I feel that DX11 will be somewhat that way as well with the gpgpu support, threads, and so on.
I'd still use win 2k if MS pumped out more security updates for it. To me that OS was the best MS ever produced. However, if I want to use an MS OS then it is XP now. How long until MS starts pushing for 7 and XP users are forced to upgrade for security reasons just like Win2k users where?
Sounds like the future of reality TV. *shudders*
If you want to capture video firewire is the way to go. USB is terrible in comparison.