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Mac OS X 10.3.8 Out, Security Update Released

Richard_at_work writes "Get it while its hot, or -- if you are less brave -- wait and see if there are any issues. From the download page, the two top points of this update are 'improved OpenGL technology and updated ATI and NVIDIA graphics drivers' and 'improved file sharing and directory services for mixed Mac and PC networks'. More information."

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  1. No need to fear. by trudyscousin · · Score: 2, Informative

    Downloaded via Software Update and running great on my dual G5 box. Works great.

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    1. Re:No need to fear. by nocomment · · Score: 1

      also running great on my G3 iBook 700Mhz.

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    2. Re:No need to fear. by torpor · · Score: 1

      ditto on my pbg4 1.5ghz .. though i can't honestly say i see any graphics improvements, i guess i should go find something to 'test' it out with, heh heh ...

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    3. Re:No need to fear. by Seoulstriker · · Score: 1

      Also working great on my Yosemite 350mhz.

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    4. Re:No need to fear. by nocomment · · Score: 1

      How os x run on those older mac's? I've never tried it on anything slower than a g4 450.

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    5. Re:No need to fear. by Seoulstriker · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm actually quite surprised by its performance in X.3. It performs just like it did when I first got the machine in '99 running OS9. The eye-candy is all there, and simple tasks run really well. It does suffer quite a bit though when trying to use hardware acceleration for anything. The ATi Rage 128 just doesn't cut it for OS X. It never did.

      Expose exposing the desktop with two windows open gets probably 1-2 frames per second. When I press F11, I see 1 or 2 frames before the windows disappear. :-( Still, the machine does everything I want it to satisfactorily with 768mb of ram. I'm really considering getting a mini or a laptop and ditching this dinosaur. If I hadn't loved my mac so much, I would have just trashed it and kept using my WinXP box. The beauty of OSX keeps me coming back for more.

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    6. Re:No need to fear. by ayyrk · · Score: 1

      DVD playback is now Frame Tear free.

    7. Re:No need to fear. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      Try hitting F11 while holding down shift, and see if you get more frames per second.

      Warning: Don't do this when you have lots of windows...

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    8. Re:No need to fear. by Seoulstriker · · Score: 1

      That actually works pretty well for F11. Not so great for F9 or F10. I think that the gray-out effect and resizing the windows on the fly are hardly supported by the Rage 128. When I click the minimize button to shrink the window, I get the same problem of low frame rates. It's just my video card. Thanks for the shift tip. :-)

      But it's too bad that my Voodoo3 card is going unused. :-(

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    9. Re:No need to fear. by DreadfulGrape · · Score: 1

      We have OS X running on my kids' Blue/White G3 (400 mHz), which, I believe, is the about the oldest Mac on which 10.3 runs. Certainly no speed demon, but it does work and never crashes.

      As for 10.3.8, it's running on my PowerBook (15" aluminum G4, 1.25 mHz) for a day now with no apparent problems.

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    10. Re:No need to fear. by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, highly informative. Have you been through an extensive testing matrix with the update? There didn't seem to bae a single G% specific item in the KB article I looked at anyway - why recommend the update for systems that it will not affect?

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    11. Re:No need to fear. by lamz · · Score: 1

      My Dad runs OS X 10.3 on my old Beige G3 Desktop. He used XPostFacto to get the 10.3 installer to work. It has 768 megs of ram, and has been upgraded with an ATI Rage 128, a 5-port USB 2.0 card, CD burner and 40 gig HD. It is surprisingly responsive.

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    12. Re:No need to fear. by trudyscousin · · Score: 1

      1. As if I can moderate my own posts. Take it up with whomever did so.

      2. I stated which machine I have. I guess I forgot to add "YMMV." My bad.

      Take a pill and chill, ass.

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    13. Re:No need to fear. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm really considering getting a mini or a laptop and ditching this dinosaur.

      Have you considered eBay? The market is not overwhelming for the high-end g4s. Not many g5s to speak of, though.

    14. Re:No need to fear. by ZackSchil · · Score: 1

      Ugh, yes, this update has a lot of items relating to G5s. There is a major update to the software controlled cooling system as well as updated graphics drivers and a few other things. The update has elicited no legitimate complaints on message boards I've seen so far. And I installed it on my G5 too. It does, in fact, work great. A nice performance boost, especially in games.

  2. Uh oh by MrAndrews · · Score: 2, Informative

    Don't know if it's just me, but my wife's dual-USB iBook stopped booting after we installed this one. It just spins the loader on startup and never gets to the login screen. Yeep!

    Works fine on my Al pBook, tho.

    1. Re:Uh oh by MrAndrews · · Score: 1

      Hmm. Removed the LaCie pocketdrive from the iBook and it worked fine. Not sure if it only happens on startup. Yeep. Stupid technology.

    2. Re:Uh oh by MrAndrews · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I should clarify: the drive was disconnected during the update, but now the system still won't boot while it's plugged in. If you disconnect it, boot, and then mount it afterward, it works fine. Anyone else having this problem?

    3. Re:Uh oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. So amazingly polite to some wannabe jerk who called you an asstard. I love it!

    4. Re:Uh oh by jcr · · Score: 1

      Check that drive with Disk Utility. See what "Verify Disk" tells you about it.

      -jcr

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    5. Re:Uh oh by MrAndrews · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Disk Utility found nothing wrong, but here's a strange one: I used a different FW cable and the system boots fine. But I've been using that cable for the past year or so with no troubles up till now. Maybe it's just a fluke, but wow. That was half a day or billable time wasted :)

    6. Re:Uh oh by supabeast! · · Score: 1

      If you have a screwy laptop, pack it up and drive to the nearest Apple store (Assuming one is nearby.) and see if you can get some bored sales nerd to fix it.

    7. Re:Uh oh by jcr · · Score: 1

      Could be that the connector on the first cable is getting worn.

      -jcr

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    8. Re:Uh oh by KFW · · Score: 1

      That's one of Pournelle's laws--when something goes wrong, check the cables. /K

  3. Although point releases... by Goalie_Ca · · Score: 3, Funny

    Although point releases are small and often have stuff i'll never use, i still get excited. Could it be i'm a mac zealot? maybe....

    Now time to install new opengl drivers so i can play gltron in class on my ibook with .05% speed increase. Much more fun that fourier transforms.

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    1. Re:Although point releases... by waynelorentz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Addresses an issue in which a PowerBook G4 computer would, on rare occasion, wake from sleep with a black screen and not respond to any keyboard, mouse, or trackpad input.

      I'm glad they fixed this one. I've been burned by this more than a few times. Once I lost an entire Pages document because I closed my Powerbook when I went to make a sandwich.

    2. Re:Although point releases... by phatmatt · · Score: 1

      Sweet - I've been burned by this a bunch of times. Very glad to see it fixed - now to check and make sure it really is fixed :)

    3. Re:Although point releases... by Bucky_the_AV_Guy · · Score: 1

      Yes I am glad the fix is in. And I would not call the problem rare either - happens to me about once a week. Mind you - I never shut my PB off - always use sleep mode - a few times a day too, but still....

      Hope it works.

  4. Early adopter and cautious observer by wazzzup · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm an early adopter because I initiate the download and install as soon as it came up in Software Update.

    I'm a cautious observer because by the time I'm done dowloading this 28MB behemoth on my dialup connection it will have been well tested.

    1. Re:Early adopter and cautious observer by klez23 · · Score: 1

      this 28MB behemoth

      No fair, mine's only 17megs! I want my extra features! AND my two dollars!

    2. Re:Early adopter and cautious observer by myov · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      XP SP2's corp update is something like 200 mb.
      That's large, even by windows standards (SP1 was half of that).

      I always have the updates on CD (I have clients stuck on dialup), but at that size, there's no way I can cram it on my updates disc. Either I burn a separate cd just for SP2, or erase all the other updates on the cd already.

      (if anyone asks, I try to keep everything on a single cd for convenience. It's currently UBCD, a bunch of windows utilities, and updates)

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  5. Snappier, for sure! by patrick42 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is it just me, or does everything feel a bit snappier now! Amazing! Best update ever!

    1. Re:Snappier, for sure! by 42 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I find that keeping icons to a minimum on my desktop makes my computer feel snappier, and I can prove it... with science!

    2. Re:Snappier, for sure! by BobWeiner · · Score: 1

      I concur. I'm running a single proc Rev. A 1.8GHz G5 here at work - and the machine does appear to feel MUCH more responsive than before. Page loading in Safari and Firefox has greatly improved, as has overall application launching times. No instabilities discovered so far, so I'm planning to update the Dualie G5 at home next.

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    3. Re:Snappier, for sure! by hunterx11 · · Score: 2, Informative
      I hate to be the one to break the bad news. Perhaps you should sit down, sir. There's no easy way to say this, so I'll just say it. YHBT. YHL. HAND.

      It's not that Apple hasn't made speed improvements in the past; I just enjoy irony is all.

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    4. Re:Snappier, for sure! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Very funny :) You actually got an Informative mod.

      To everyone else - please note the parent should be modded FUNNY.

      He is playing off the comments that always appear when a Mac update comes out, that the system feels faster and more responsive.
      (Why do people have to be told?)

    5. Re:Snappier, for sure! by minimunchkin · · Score: 1

      Loads quicker for me too. Weird.

    6. Re:Snappier, for sure! by ChuckleBug · · Score: 4, Funny

      (Why do people have to be told?)

      I didn't. After the upgrade, I noticed I get jokes much more quickly! My comebacks are snappier, too!

    7. Re:Snappier, for sure! by Juanvaldes · · Score: 1

      no no no it goes. "I find that keeping icons to a minimum on my desktop makes my computer feel snappier, and I can prove it... with science^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hinternet!" ;-)

    8. Re:Snappier, for sure! by k96822 · · Score: 1

      Me too -- I got the update as soon as it came out and everything does seem to work better. It was needed.

    9. Re:Snappier, for sure! by nordicfrost · · Score: 1

      Well, I don't know what you feel, but Mail.app opens in 3 seconds on my G4 PB 15" vs. 10 seconds before the update. The rest feels the same.

    10. Re:Snappier, for sure! by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 1

      I can confirm this on my iBook G4. Maybe a previous update to Mail didn't prelink it ? This update seemed to spend a long time prelinking.

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  6. Earlier Adopter by FoolTDW · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Had some bluetooth problems (mouse and keyboard) on first reboot, but another reboot fixed that. Everything else seems fine. iBook G4

  7. Does anyone know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if this fixes the problem with the Aiptek Hyperpen 8000U driver needing a system reboot everytime it gets unplugged?

    1. Re:Does anyone know... by dgatwood · · Score: 1
      What? They have Mac OS X drivers? And all this time, I'd been getting by with a hacked version of the Apple mouse driver that I threw together after I realized that forcing a bus reenumeration after initializing the device caused the device to start working....

      I wonder if the same weird device behavior is biting their drivers. If so, the fix is to force a reenumeration whenever the driver gets a timeout talking to the endpoint. I forget the details, since I haven't touched a HID driver since then, and that was at least two years ago, but....

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    2. Re:Does anyone know... by kenthorvath · · Score: 1
      Yes you can find them on the international website. But, I can't seem to get mine to work without having it plugged in at boot time, either. If you unplug it afterwards, you need to restart again to get it working again.

      Also, Photoshop CS seems to have a problem recognizing the pen. Solution: revert back to Photoshop 7, if you have it.

    3. Re:Does anyone know... by kenthorvath · · Score: 1

      How does one force a bus reenumeration?

    4. Re:Does anyone know... by dgatwood · · Score: 1
      Make a function call to USBDeviceReEnumerate. Oh, actually, I reenumerated the device, not the whole bus now that I think about it. I think.

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  8. here we go by swaminstar · · Score: 1, Troll

    another 10.3.X update, time to lose the FW HDs again

    1. Re:here we go by swaminstar · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Christ, so my bitchin' about my repeated FW HD losses is all trollish? No shit? I was just trying to be lightheartedly sardonic about what is inevitably going to suck for me as I reformat (again) and copy back my back-ups. Every 10.3 interation that I've installed has hurt my FW HDs in one way or another.

    2. Re:here we go by WMD_88 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Apple recommends you have FW HDs unplugged during and after reinstall. It's right on the page...

    3. Re:here we go by swaminstar · · Score: 1

      I know, the failures have come post-upgrade once the FW HD's are re-connected. I expect them these days. And, no, I've lost no information as I do back up dutifully...just time.

    4. Re:here we go by cei · · Score: 1

      Actually, I DID lose my firewire drive. It had survived all the updates until this point without any problems. The Delta Update info page made no mention of potential problems, but the Combo Updage page had a warning. Since I was going from 10.3.7 to 10.3.8 via Software Update, I left the drive attached.

      Ooops.

      Anyone know how to get it back?

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    5. Re:here we go by cei · · Score: 1

      On the Combo Update page but not the Delta Update page. Bastards.

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    6. Re:here we go by swaminstar · · Score: 1

      Hell, I sure feel a whole lot less trollish...anyway, so sorry mate, I've been lucky that I've had back-ups almost every drive failure that I've had. A friend didn't on one of his similar 10.3.x updates and got 99% of his data back via Prosoft's Data Rescue X...I think they have a free trial that will let you rescue 10 files or so to see if it'll help get stuff back from the murky abyss...best of luck to you.

    7. Re:here we go by WMD_88 · · Score: 1

      Heh, yeah, I noticed that. :D

    8. Re:here we go by cei · · Score: 1

      Well, luckily my external IS my backup drive. I just run Carbon Copy Cloner to it every night. So if I have to reformat, I'm not too worried. Just wondering if that's the only option available to me at this point.

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    9. Re:here we go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please log a bug with Apple. http://developer.apple.com/bugreporter/ is the place to go if you feel like signing up (free) for an online Developer account. It's definitely worth it... they take all bugs seriously, especially data losers like this.

    10. Re:here we go by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      Its firewire so it can be detached I guess. Why you guys don't unplug it for 10 mins?

      Another question is of course, can't the KERNEL CODER level people in Apple make a simple program to disable some firewire drives while updating?

      Also... Isn't the firewire drive issue raises because of a "oxford semiconductor" faulty chip and isn't it fixed with a firmware update?

    11. Re:here we go by pudge · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which is hard for me since my startup disk is on a FW HD.

    12. Re:here we go by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 1

      I'm not buying an external Firewire drive until they fix this problem. There is no excuse, period.

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  9. This may fix an annoying problem... by vocaro · · Score: 4, Informative

    Upgraded successfully on my G4 PowerBook. No problems so far.

    Of particular interest to me is this item in the list of enhancements:

    Addresses an issue in which a PowerBook G4 computer would, on rare occasion, wake from sleep with a black screen and not respond to any keyboard, mouse, or trackpad input.

    I've been experiencing this problem on and off ever since I switched to the Mac last April, and it bugs the heck out of me. I'll unplug my laptop from my Cinema Display, take it home, flip open the lid, and nothing happens. The computer powers on -- I can hear the fan and hard drive spinning -- and the screen is lit, but it's all black. It ignores keyboard and mouse input, and I'm forced to do a hard reboot, losing any unsaved data. (It wasn't happening all the time, but at least every three weeks or so.)

    I talked to an Apple "Genius" at an Apple Store about this wake-from-sleep problem, and he said I shouldn't let the PowerBook go to sleep. Instead, I should shut down the computer completely before unplugging it, then power it back up when I got home. Ah, what genius! Patient: "Doctor, it hurts when I move my arm like this." Doctor: "Then don't move your arm like that." Seriously, the sleep feature is vital for most laptop users, and I can't believe the solution is not to use it.

    Eventually, I discovered that if I click the Apple menu and select Sleep to do a manual sleep (as opposed to just unplugging the laptop from its display), then the frequency of the problem goes down, but it still happens. Hopefully this update will squash the bug once and for all.

    1. Re:This may fix an annoying problem... by Libraryman · · Score: 1

      I've seen this same behavior in my iBook G4 (12", 1Ghz). Not often or reproducible, but it IS annoying. I've been unable to find any reference to this happening to iBooks on Apple's support pages, and since they didn't recommend a fix for any of the systems they do list it as a problem for, I haven't tried to do anything about it, except increase the frequency of auto-saves in my apps.

      I hope the fix works for iBooks too. I haven't lost anything important from it yet, but it is only a matter of time.

    2. Re:This may fix an annoying problem... by 103to8 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I similarly hope this can fix the problem you describe.

      I have a Powerbook 12" 1.33 and at home I usally plugged into my Dell 19" LCD via DVI. As other reader's mentioned, when I first closed the Powerbook lid and then unplugged my DVI cable and USB cable (to my USB keyboard), when I went back to work, my keyboard will be frozen even though I can still hear the fan running. At first I suspect it was the num lock on the Powerbook keyboard, then I thought it was DoubleCommand or SideTrack kernel extension. But this unpleasant experience still hapenned when these kernel ext were not loaded in the startup. I finally decide to FIRST unplug my DVI cable, press F7 to sync the display BEFORE closing the Powerbook lid and the "keyboard frozen" problem disappeared.

      Hope the 10.3.8 update will fix the problem.

    3. Re:This may fix an annoying problem... by 3cardtrick · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've had this happen many times and been annoyed with it. All I did was close the lid again (so that the machine would sleep) and wait another 5 seconds, open it again and it starts up perfectly. Give that a whirl next time and see if it does the trick. Cheers, 3cardtrick

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    4. Re:This may fix an annoying problem... by Trillan · · Score: 1

      I've had the problem as well, maybe twice per week. It's a bit too early to say it is fixed, but that bullet point certainly jumped out at me. It's the only reason I intalled 10.3.8 so soon.

    5. Re:This may fix an annoying problem... by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      I have the same problem on my desktop. I can't put it to sleep at all or it never wakes up. Luckily it's a desk top so I can use the "don't move your arm like that" solution fine. No problem on my laptop (iBook 700 white G3) but it happens consistently on the desktop (dual G4 867 mirror drive doors). Any info you find out on this please post!

    6. Re:This may fix an annoying problem... by NardofDoom · · Score: 1

      Mine does that some times, but closing it or fiddling with the brightness controls seems to get it working. YMMV.

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    7. Re:This may fix an annoying problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I used to have troubles with this as well. Try unplugging your display before you put your powerbook into sleep. What is happening is that if you sleep the powerbook then disconnect the display, the powerbook will wake up. But since you've closed the lid, you won't know and the kernel will do a partial-shutdown after a few minutes.

      hope that helps

    8. Re:This may fix an annoying problem... by mmkkbb · · Score: 1

      what's this f7 thing?

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    9. Re:This may fix an annoying problem... by jht · · Score: 1

      Although it happened pretty rarely to me (maybe once every couple of weeks), that usually solved it for me when it happened, too (15" Aluminum G4). Hopefully 10.3.8 fixes it for good, though.

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    10. Re:This may fix an annoying problem... by ricosalomar · · Score: 0

      Dude, I have the same issue on my machine (dual g4 1gig, mirror door) at work. I called Apple, and they wert through the whole list of stuff, including reinstalling the OS, and nothing has helped.
      Just to clarify the symptoms: It will wake up if it's only been asleep for a few minutes, like 3, but more than that, and I have to UNPLUG it, and start up.
      Its really not a problem for a desktop, as you said, I just leave it on all the time anyway, but it's a bit weird.
      I'll install the update today, and see if anything changes.

    11. Re:This may fix an annoying problem... by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 1


      Hm, that's interesting...I've had the same thing happen to me, with about the same frequency--but I'd get a blue screen, instead of a black. It is pretty annoying; hopefully it's fixed.

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    12. Re:This may fix an annoying problem... by iluvcapra · · Score: 1
      talked to an Apple "Genius" at an Apple Store about this wake-from-sleep problem, and he said I shouldn't let the PowerBook go to sleep. Instead, I should shut down the computer completely before unplugging it, then power it back up when I got home. Ah, what genius!

      Technically, I don't think the ADC interface supports "hot-plugging," or any sort of connecting/disconnecting while a computer is not shut down. It does work in some cases, but that does not mean it is supported.

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    13. Re:This may fix an annoying problem... by PabloJones · · Score: 1

      I have an 800 MHz TiBook, and this sort of thing used to happen to me occasionally after I had first purchased it. However, closing the lid and reopening it did not work, and I had to forcibly restart it. IIRC, the backlight was not coming back on, yet the display was still functioning. This has not happened to me in a very long time, though, and I figured they had already fixed the problem in an earlier release.

    14. Re:This may fix an annoying problem... by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      Yeah - I haven't updated yet and I have no time to mess with reinstalling or conflict diagnosis, so I just avoid putting it to sleep for now. I haven't been able to find any info using google, etc.

    15. Re:This may fix an annoying problem... by vocaro · · Score: 1

      Technically, I don't think the ADC interface supports "hot-plugging,"

      Actually, it was a DVI connection, not ADC. And it appears that both can handle hot-plugging, as described in this document. (Search for "hot-plug".)

      In any case, the idea that a computer interface of the 21st century -- especially a stateless interface like video -- cannot handle hot plugging by design would be absolutely pitiful, IMHO.

      Trevor
    16. Re:This may fix an annoying problem... by Paladeen · · Score: 1

      I have experienced this as well. The solution is simple. If your powerbook displays a black screen when it comes alive from sleep, just close the lid. The computer will go back to sleep. Then open it again, and voila, problem fixed.

    17. Re:This may fix an annoying problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just close the lid. The computer will go back to sleep. Then open it again, and voila, problem fixed.

      I had this problem occur once or twice on my powerbook. Your solution did not work. The only thing that did work was SSHing in and killing various window server processes.

    18. Re:This may fix an annoying problem... by snolan · · Score: 1

      I am having the same problem on 10.3.5, and not 10.3.7 - but on a PowerMac Dual G4/500MHz. I have the same OS versions on a Cube, and on a Sawtooth G4 (single cpu @500Mhz) and they have never had this problem - only the dual seems to never wake from sleep. Spinning beach ball of death. Interestingly, I can ssh into the dual-G4 when it is sleeping - which means it only keeps the display/keyboard/mouse asleep, but the machine itself is back to normal. Oddly, booting the machine from power-off to login screen is quick - but when I jumped from 10.3.5 to 10.3.7, the time it takes to login and get functionaility as any user went from ~22 seconds to ~5 minutes, but ONLY on the dual G4 machine. The Cube and the Sawtooh (both also 500Mhz machines with the same OS) still login within ~22 seconds. I have not tried the fix-permissions trick - though I intend to do so tonight.

    19. Re:This may fix an annoying problem... by JMZorko · · Score: 1

      Oh, do I hear you loud and clear. Though i've not had that issue in awhile, I used to have it quite often on a certain 900mhz G3 iBook I had. The "geniuses" at the Valley Fair Apple Store in San Jose were ... less than helpful.

      "That piece is supposed to be there. It's not our fault."

      "But it's in the latch, and it moves around when I tilt the iBook, and it looks like someone got sloppy with a glue gun, and it was there when I bought it at this store 3 days ago."

      ... and:

      "You're a developer? Then you did something wrong, it's not our fault!"

      "But the devtools aren't even on this machine."

      ... and another one:

      "You used non-Apple RAM? Then it's a RAM problem, not our fault!"

      "But I removed the RAM from the machine and it still exhibits the behavior."

      ... and the best one:

      "OK, I can't help you unless I see the problem happen. Why don't you sit over there and see if you can reproduce it?" * John opens and closes iBook repeatedly, and after about 10 minutes, reproduces the problem and whistles for the "genius" * "Huh? I didn't see what you did!"

      And then they wouldn't take the iBook back without me paying the restocking fee, even though I displayed the problem to them before the 10 day limitation period (on day 3, specifically and every other day until day 12). I like Apple's products, but I will never purchase from that store again.

      Regards,

      John

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    20. Re:This may fix an annoying problem... by myov · · Score: 1

      On older powerbooks, you needed to sleep in order to recognize an external VGA monitor. It's no longer an issue most of the time, but still required if you use the video out.

      My guess is that the video chip gets a signal when the vga input has something at the other end, but not the svideo port.

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    21. Re:This may fix an annoying problem... by ManxStef · · Score: 1

      I'll second/third that suggestion, but with an extra caveat :-

      If you've got the "Require password to wake this computer from sleep or screensaver" option enabled, then when the lid opens and the sleep light goes out -- even though the backlight doesn't come on -- it seems like the laptop has woken up and the password dialog appeared, so try typing in your password and pressing enter (you'll have to get it right though ;) as you've no visual feedback). I've found this to work many times, esp. when closing the lid doesn't put the laptop back to sleep, with the backlight then turning itself on afterwards, or it immediately going back to sleep upon a successful password input. Very strange!

      Seems to be a similar issue to the way the function/f keys operate for a very limited time when you wake this laptop up, usually until the password dialog kicks in -- something to do with things not waking up in quite the right order, perhaps?

      [Powerbook G4 Aluminium 2nd rev.]

    22. Re:This may fix an annoying problem... by ipso_facto · · Score: 1

      I had this too. The problem showed up for the first time when I was playing around with timing for the screensaver. It then went away when I set the screensaver to come on after the computer went to sleep i.e. sleep after 5 minutes of inactivity. turn on the screensaver after 15 minutes of inactivity.

    23. Re:This may fix an annoying problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what's this f7 thing?

      on an Apple powerbook, the F7 key functions as a "mirror"/"do not mirror" switch for external displays, and has the side effect of actively detecting the presence or absence of an external display

    24. Re:This may fix an annoying problem... by 103to8 · · Score: 1

      On PowerBook model (12,15, and 17) you can connect an external monitor via DVI, VGA or S-Video converter. F7 allows you to starts up in dual-display mode. Press the F7 key to switch between dual-display and video-mirroring mode.

  10. Disk Utility by madsenj37 · · Score: 1, Informative

    As always, use Disk Utility to repair permissions before and after you update. This avoids most problems.

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    1. Re:Disk Utility by SillyWilly · · Score: 1

      Would you stop telling people to do this. It is pointless. You might as well encourage people to stand on one leg while installing.

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    2. Re:Disk Utility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. As is the bogus advice to run MacJanitor or one of those programs that runs the daily/weekly/monthly cron jobs. People love to recommend this when somebody's having major slowness issues. "They clean up the system and keep it from getting bogged down." Yeah, right! I looked at those scripts and they do so little, nothing that would even remotely affect day to day speed issues.

      What a bunch of horse shit indeed.

    3. Re:Disk Utility by madsenj37 · · Score: 1

      You offer no explanation as to why, so your post seems pointless to me.

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    4. Re:Disk Utility by iroll · · Score: 1

      For the record, you really didn't either. I hardly think "avoids most problems" counts. You could tack that onto anything.

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    5. Re:Disk Utility by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      The right leg or the left leg?

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    6. Re:Disk Utility by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      The guys you reference are horse hockey something indeed.

      Let me paste a line, even this single line verifies guys post:

      Permissions differ on ./private/etc/slpsa.conf, should be -rwxr-xr-x , they are -rw-r--r--

      See? Its after software update. Also one of the files updated every time when mac os x gets minor update is: Disk permissions database.

      Also they suggest using Coctail (shareware, $$$) for such simple tasks? Why not Onyx?

      Stay away from self suggested "mac geeks" my friend.

    7. Re:Disk Utility by bsartist · · Score: 1
      Let me paste a line, even this single line verifies guys post:

      Permissions differ on ./private/etc/slpsa.conf, should be -rwxr-xr-x , they are -rw-r--r--

      Oh, it verifies something, all right - that you guys are talking about pure cargo-cult nonsense. Let's have a look at the file and see what's in there, shall we?
      # This is the config file for slp sa, empty for now.
      Oh, boy, I sure am glad "repair permissions" made that executable. That looks like an important script to me...
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    8. Re:Disk Utility by Ilgaz · · Score: 3, Informative

      I believe APPLE CORP http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=257 51 instead of some 2 self acclaimed geeks and some Slashdot poster who thinks he is über cool by calling people names who only tries to help.

      Sorry for 1 line, the latest security update had better circus going on.

      Jan 31 12:17:22: Disk Utility started.

      Repairing permissions for "Ilgaz"
      Determining correct file permissions.
      Permissions differ on ./Library/Fonts/Arial, should be -rw-rw-r-- , they are -rw-r--r--
      Owner and group corrected on ./Library/Fonts/Arial
      Permissions corrected on ./Library/Fonts/Arial
      Permissions differ on ./Library/Fonts/Arial Black, should be -rw-rw-r-- , they are -rw-r--r--
      Owner and group corrected on ./Library/Fonts/Arial Black
      Permissions corrected on ./Library/Fonts/Arial Black
      Permissions differ on ./Library/Fonts/Comic Sans MS, should be -rw-rw-r-- , they are -rw-r--r--
      Owner and group corrected on ./Library/Fonts/Comic Sans MS
      Permissions corrected on ./Library/Fonts/Comic Sans MS
      Permissions differ on ./Library/Fonts/Courier New, should be -rw-rw-r-- , they are -rw-r--r--
      Owner and group corrected on ./Library/Fonts/Courier New
      Permissions corrected on ./Library/Fonts/Courier New
      Permissions differ on ./Library/Fonts/Didot.dfont, should be -rw-rw-r-- , they are -rw-r--r--
      Owner and group corrected on ./Library/Fonts/Didot.dfont
      Permissions corrected on ./Library/Fonts/Didot.dfont
      Permissions differ on ./Library/Fonts/Futura.dfont, should be -rw-rw-r-- , they are -rw-r--r--
      Owner and group corrected on ./Library/Fonts/Futura.dfont
      Permissions corrected on ./Library/Fonts/Futura.dfont
      Permissions differ on ./Library/Fonts/Georgia, should be -rw-rw-r-- , they are -rw-r--r--
      Owner and group corrected on ./Library/Fonts/Georgia
      Permissions corrected on ./Library/Fonts/Georgia
      Permissions differ on ./Library/Fonts/Herculanum.dfont, should be -rw-rw-r-- , they are -rw-r--r--
      Owner and group corrected on ./Library/Fonts/Herculanum.dfont
      Permissions corrected on ./Library/Fonts/Herculanum.dfont
      Permissions differ on ./Library/Fonts/Times New Roman, should be -rw-rw-r-- , they are -rw-r--r--
      Owner and group corrected on ./Library/Fonts/Times New Roman
      Permissions corrected on ./Library/Fonts/Times New Roman
      Permissions differ on ./Library/Fonts/Trebuchet MS, should be -rw-rw-r-- , they are -rw-r--r--
      Owner and group corrected on ./Library/Fonts/Trebuchet MS
      Permissions corrected on ./Library/Fonts/Trebuchet MS
      Permissions differ on ./Library/Fonts/Verdana, should be -rw-rw-r-- , they are -rw-r--r--
      Owner and group corrected on ./Library/Fonts/Verdana
      Permissions corrected on ./Library/Fonts/Verdana
      Permissions differ on ./Library/Fonts/Zapfino.dfont, should be -rw-rw-r-- , they are -rw-r--r--
      Owner and group corrected on ./Library/Fonts/Zapfino.dfont
      Permissions corrected on ./Library/Fonts/Zapfino.dfont
      Permissions differ on ./Library/Fonts, should be drwxrwxr-x , they are drwxrwxrwx
      Owner and group corrected on ./Library/Fonts
      Permissions corrected on ./Library/Fonts
      Permissions differ on ./Library/Keyboard Layouts, should be drwxrwxr-x , they are drwxrwxrwx
      Owner and group corrected

    9. Re:Disk Utility by SillyWilly · · Score: 1

      Yes, you've changed a load of permissions that would have worked anyway. You're happy. Congratulations. The Apple article you link to doesn't suggest anywhere that you should repair permissions as a matter of routine, because doing so is pointless. It only recommends repairing permissions if you are experiencing 'permision issues' which you were not. Are you American? I think we should be told.

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    10. Re:Disk Utility by Ilgaz · · Score: 1, Informative

      I am not american but Apple is, if its a concern for you.

      Apple article also doesn't mention Macromedia and Microsoft installers fsck up the install.log rights.

      Does latest security update article say "It will rape all of your permissions after install, one random day, in one point you can waste hours of productivity because of an application not working right?"

      I think one of the best features of OS X since day 1 is the automated permissions repairing which is done with user intervention since companies like Macromedia and Microsoft messes with some very critical permissions which will create problems with UPDATE INSTALLATIONS. I can't imagine you or the other über cool flamebaiter helping an end user which can't install his latest game because of some random update he gets from Apple fscked up his home directory rights.

      We are stupid mac users wanting hassle free system and we don't like to mess with god damn chown etc while working.

      I love to see permissions repaired. I hope similar tool will be donated to Linux/FreeBSD community by Opendarwin coders.

      The system , Apple Installer is one of the MOST DANGEROUS apple code in planet btw. Ask any developer about it. Also updater has been updated itself and does PATCHING work.

      Are you ok now? I'd suggest that for your nerves, stay away from apple.slashdot.org ... Bunch of end users here anyway.

    11. Re:Disk Utility by geoffspear · · Score: 1
      Every time I've "repaired" permissions on my machine, it's set the permissions on postfix's files such that postfix refuses to run because the permissions are set wrong.

      Thanks, but I'll believe my mail server before an Apple utility if believing the Apple utility means that any email sent to me bounces.

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    12. Re:Disk Utility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure why I'm bothering since you seem out to start a flame war. However, if you're a "stupid mac users wanting hassle free system and we don't like to mess with god damn chown" then you *really* shouldn't be fixing permissions since you clearly have no concept of what it means or does.

    13. Re:Disk Utility by bsartist · · Score: 1

      If you're trying to install a game, and the install bombs out with a "can't write to /foo" error, then you might well have a permission-related problem that running the repair app might fix. Running it in that situation is the sensible thing to do, and no one has suggested otherwise.

      Haven't you heard the old saw, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it?" Same thing here. If you're having problems that the utility will fix, run it and fix 'em. If you're not, don't bother.

      As far as nerves go... well, you're the one who's reacting like Linus when someone tries to take his blanket, not me.

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    14. Re:Disk Utility by the+pickle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You don't have any idea who John Gruber is, do you?

      That's a rhetorical question, but if you insist on answering, the correct answer is "Someone who knows far more about Macs than you could ever hope to know if you lived until you were 1000 years old."

      You, sir, are an idiot if you think repairing permissions before an OS update is doing you any good at all. You probably rebuilt your desktop and zapped the PRAM on OS 9 every week, too, didn't you?

      p

    15. Re:Disk Utility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Lisa, I want to buy your rock."

  11. Faster Mouse Tracking Speed in 10.3.8 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you APPLE!

  12. Connecting to Samba a lot faster by Nice2Cats · · Score: 4, Informative
    I have no idea if this is actually in the list of features, but one thing that is seriously faster on my little iBook is connecting to my Linux Samba server -- like, wham! It is just there, while before it seem to take some time before OS X made up its mind if it really wanted to reach out and touch another computer.

    So far, no (new) problems. Life is good.

    1. Re:Connecting to Samba a lot faster by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 1

      It was probably afraid that it was a Windows computer. Your Mac could get a disease.

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  13. this might help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Try unplugging the display before putting it to sleep. Make sure to wait until the screen gets back to normal as well.

  14. Active Directory by indie1982 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For weeks and weeks and weeks I kept getting an "Insufficient privileges" error when trying to bind OS X clients to our domain. I just upgraded from 10.3.7 to 10.3.8 and I can now bind them to the domain!

  15. Safari IDN Vulnerability by the+pickle · · Score: 3, Interesting

    AFAIK, this still isn't fixed, probably because Apple didn't know about it in time. Can anyone who has the update confirm that Safari is still vulnerable?

    Me, I'm waiting on the new AlBook to get here. No point in updating the Ti when it's getting retired in a week.

    p

    1. Re:Safari IDN Vulnerability by Sophrosyne · · Score: 1

      here is the test
      http://secunia.com/multiple_browsers_idn_spoofing_ test/
      It isn't patched yet.

    2. Re:Safari IDN Vulnerability by nuckin+futs · · Score: 3, Interesting

      temporary fix, taken from dslreports.com.

      1) You must have the dev tools installed and quit Safari.
      2) Show Package Contents of Safari and go to the folder Safari>Contents>Resources>English.lproj and open up the file called Browser.nib
      3) Click "OK"
      4) Click once on the "Go to this address" box. Be careful not to drag it anywhere.
      5) Hit Open-Apple T to bring up the Font window.
      6) Change it to something basic, like Courier which is fixed width and basic.
      7) Save
      not my fault if you break anything. i suggest you save the original safari first.

    3. Re:Safari IDN Vulnerability by the+pickle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not that I'm doubting you, but *what??*

      How the hell does changing a font fix ANYTHING?

      That has to be the most non-intuitive (read: how in the hell did anyone even think of doing that?) solution to any problem I've ever seen.

      p

    4. Re:Safari IDN Vulnerability by nuckin+futs · · Score: 1

      i have no clue, but apparently it works.
      check here.

    5. Re:Safari IDN Vulnerability by Cmdr+TECO · · Score: 1

      Unlike the default font, OS X's current Courier only contains Latin characters -- no Cyrillic, Greek, or other possible "look-alikes" that could be used to spoof a domain name. So instead of, say, a Cryillic "o" that looks exactly like a Latin "o", you'll either a blank or a box or a different font.

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    6. Re:Safari IDN Vulnerability by Cmdr+TECO · · Score: 1

      And this, via a comment in your link, is a cool example of what can be done in OS X because Objective C is a late-binding dynamic language: it's a third-party fix that works by overriding a method a run time to add a check for suspicious domain names.

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  16. Informative?? Parent is being FUNNY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come on, guys. *Geez* Don't you know the much joked about "default response" to any mac update when you see it?

  17. Okay on G5 Powermac by kitzilla · · Score: 2, Informative

    No kinks so far after loading the update on my dual 1.8 G5 Powermac. Also seems fine on my older G3 iBook.

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    1. Re:Okay on G5 Powermac by Red_Winestain · · Score: 1
      Did you notice that your fans are more likely to crank up now?

      My dual 1.8 G5 was always quiet, with the fans rarely being audible. However, after installing the update, the fans speed up with just the slightest increase in CPU activity (e.g., running my gui-driven synchronize program).

    2. Re:Okay on G5 Powermac by k96822 · · Score: 1

      Have not run into this yet. I'm particularly sensitive to fan noise (emotionally -- I hate that ringing noise!). I find it fun when, after I started getting all annoyed, to run the hardware test disk, which revs up all nine fans, to get perspective. :-)

    3. Re:Okay on G5 Powermac by kitzilla · · Score: 1
      Hey, I haven't been on the G5 since my last post, but I did notice that 10.3.8 *does* contain a G5 fan control mod. So you may not be imagining things:

      ... Resolves an issue on certain Power Mac G5 computers where a fan cycles erratically at unexpected times, such as when Seti@home software is running.
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    4. Re:Okay on G5 Powermac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mine does. When the activity goes up, the fans begin to rev up far earlier than before. FWIW, I have 1 gig RAM, but otherwise a stock dual 1.8 system.

    5. Re:Okay on G5 Powermac by kitzilla · · Score: 1
      A few days into the upgrade, I'm still not noticing much difference in fan speed. It think you should visit the Apple support forums, though, if you're having issues. They'll want to know about your configuration and what you're doing when the fans spin up.

      Good luck. i'll be watching to see what other users have to say.

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  18. Be careful by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny
    I installed it via Software Update during a dinner party and my kitchen caught fire. The dinner guests just grinned nervously as the blaze spread to the dining room and consumed them.

    Other than that, it seems to be running fine.

    1. Re:Be careful by geoffspear · · Score: 2, Funny
      I've been trying to copy a 17MB file since I installed it at 9:00 last night, and it still hasn't finished copying 12 hours later.

      Plus it made the second button and scrollwheel fall off my mouse!

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    2. Re:Be careful by tbone1 · · Score: 1
      You've got a mouse? You're lucky! When I was a lad, we had to make do with an Apple ][ with half a byte of RAM -- [SHUTS UP AS THE REST OF /. SETS UPON HIM WITH STAVES]

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  19. WoW by nuggetman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    gotta love the fact this is actually a feature of the OS update:

    Improves the performance of Blizzard World of Warcraft's "Full Screen Glow" video feature.

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    ...and that's all there is to it.
    1. Re:WoW by geoffspear · · Score: 2, Interesting
      If you hadn't noticed, most of the "features" of the previous update (10.3.7) involved WoW performance tuning.

      Maybe this could help bring more game development to the Mac. Sure it's just one game they've done this for, but showing a willingness to change their OS to improve a third-party developer's game seems like it would make them attractive to other game developers, too.

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    2. Re:WoW by Zixia · · Score: 1

      Sure it's just one game they've done this for,

      Previous OS updates have addressed driver issues for Unreal Tournament 2004 as well, so it's not just one game but the big games that most gamers are likely to play.

    3. Re:WoW by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      Previous OS updates have addressed driver issues for Unreal Tournament 2004 as well, so it's not just one game but the big games that most gamers are likely to play.

      I strongly suspect the updates are for games the Apple developers like to play. Although it could just be that ID and Blizzard report bugs to Apple, whereas other game companies have not been doing so.

  20. why do I have to download every update TWICE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey Mac heads, riddle me this, why does my software update always show the OS updates TWICE, one roughly twice as large as the other? For instance when I run software update this fine night, I see:

    [] Mac OS X Update 10.3.8 27.7 MB
    [] Mac OS X Update 10.3.8 16.4 MB

    ????? WTF is that about ???? It happens every time. I just install em both and nothing bad happens, but it is annoying. I wonder if my many tweaks to the system files have affected it (like, turning on Postfix, etc). Maybe it thinks I am running the server version or something weird.

    1. Re:why do I have to download every update TWICE? by GaryPatterson · · Score: 1

      "I wonder if my many tweaks to the system files have affected it"

      Almost certainly.

      You're probably seeing a server update and a user update, or maybe a rolled-up one and a non-rolled-up one.

      Why on Earth would you want to screw around with the System files? And what did you do?

    2. Re:why do I have to download every update TWICE? by yabos · · Score: 1

      I don't know why it shows both, but turning on Postfix isn't the problem. The 27.7MB one is the combo updater for earlier systems than 10.3.7 and the other one is for 10.3.7

    3. Re:why do I have to download every update TWICE? by iluvcapra · · Score: 1
      Why on Earth would you want to screw around with the System files?

      I, for one, have replaced the default folder and home icons.

      BTW, my icons seem not to have been affected by the update.

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  21. Finder Insecure File Creation Vulnerability by Kusunose · · Score: 3, Informative

    It seems Mac OS X Finder Insecure File Creation Vulnerability isn't fixed.
    The vulnerability has been confirmed in Finder version 10.3.2 on Mac OS X version 10.3.7. It's rated as 'less critical'.

    1. Re:Finder Insecure File Creation Vulnerability by Juanvaldes · · Score: 1

      Unless it's the house and booze talking that was reported two days ago. I'm sure 10.3.8 has been in freeze for at least a week if not more. But good to know and yes, defiantly needs to be fixed.

  22. Strange Fan speed by snero3 · · Score: 1

    I just installed in on my dual 1.8 power pc and the first thing I noticed when I rebooted was that I could hear the fans for the first time. For about 30 seconds they run at full speed and then settled down to their normal unaudiable selves.

    Anyone else notice this ?

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    1. Re:Strange Fan speed by snero3 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ignore me I found this on apple's website which would explain it.

      Resolves an issue on certain Power Mac G5 computers where a fan cycles erratically at unexpected times, such as when Seti@home software is running.

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    2. Re:Strange Fan speed by withinavoid · · Score: 1

      I've read some similar complaints. Apparently the 'fix' is to go into system prefs -> energy saver -> options , and change your processor performance to something else (such as automatic) and close it out. Then go back in and change it again to what you want (such as Highest).

  23. Myst IV Revelation works by prionic6 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Myst IV crashed on 10.3.7 for me, works with 10.3.8. Cyan said it was a problem with the graphics driver.

  24. Security Update by greppling · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Get it while its hot, or -- if you are less brave -- wait and see if there are any issues.

    Isn't it rather brave to wait with installing a security update...

  25. Now I have a dead pixel, thank you 10.3.8! by Wyatt+Galen+Houtz · · Score: 1

    Where did that come from? It's a red dot that I must have downloaded from software update. My poor powerbook.

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    1. Re:Now I have a dead pixel, thank you 10.3.8! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give your screen a firm rub around the red pixel. It often brings 'bright' dead pixels back to life

  26. Re:Bepbepbepbepbepbepbep... by Golias · · Score: 1

    Ah, Ellen... We miss you. There most be other products you could endorse. Or maybe your own sitcom...

    (Actually, I thought Janie Porche was the real hottie among the "switcher" ad stars. She could save my Christmas any time.)

    Steering back on topic... is a 10.3.x update really news? I mean, the only people who care are Mac users, and we all will see it when our automatic weekly update runs, right?

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  27. Blew my vnc away by pprboy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Get a "incompatible version" error when I try to vnc back in from 2 different workstations. Guess I need to dig out the keyboard and mouse and hook the monitor back up to see what happened. Glad its only across the room.

    1. Re:Blew my vnc away by yabos · · Score: 2, Informative

      No problems here. Using OSXVNC server.

  28. Fan Issues with G5 iMac by analog_line · · Score: 1

    One of my customers just installed it and now whenever she opens "an application" the fans go into overdrive mode.

    Not sure what exactly she means by "an application" but this should be something to watch out for for any of you with G5 iMacs.

  29. Re:Bepbepbepbepbepbepbep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, I can sympathize with your feelings for Janie, I still can't get Momoko Kikuchi out of my mind...

    "Kikuchi Momoko gakusee...desu"

    Sorry.

  30. File... Save by Vandil+X · · Score: 1

    Whenever you go away from your computer for any reason or prior to engaging any power management mode:

    File... Save.

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  31. Explaining the "Repair Permissions' Phenomenon by bedouin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Those permissions were probably incorrect long before you installed 10.3.8. And if they didn't hurt anything then, they're not going to now.

    I think somewhere along the line a person had a bad experience with an update, repaired permissions, and things were okay. He probably posted to a message board, and people followed in believing repairing permissions is the cure to all woes.

    If you want to keep believing that, it's fine with me. I repair permissions after most updates, but it's not because I believe there is a relationship between the two. The updates just serve as a reminder to do preventative maintenance that you otherwise might forget about -- and it occasionally does fix some annoying bug.

    1. Re:Explaining the "Repair Permissions' Phenomenon by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 1
      I think somewhere along the line a person had a bad experience with an update, repaired permissions, and things were okay. He probably posted to a message board, and people followed in believing repairing permissions is the cure to all woes.

      Repair Permissions! It's the New Rebuild Desktop!

      I'm gonne write a placebo utility that just says 'optimizing' and shows a progress bar for 5 minutes, and it will be a huge hit. I don't even need to say what its optimizing.

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    2. Re:Explaining the "Repair Permissions' Phenomenon by the+pickle · · Score: 1

      Which is precisely what Gruber said in the article I linked. "Rebuild Desktop" hardly ever helped anything either. :)

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  32. black screen wakeup... AHA! by frankie · · Score: 1
    I've experienced this bug about once a month since I got my AlBook. It happens rarely, intermittently, and only when I put it to sleep while attached to an external display. Based on the comments here that sounds like the crucial factor.

    I'll definitely install 10.3.8 now. But I wonder if unplugging the DVI and doing a Detect Displays *BEFORE* sleep might be a repeatable workaround...

    FWIW, I've seen variants with either a black screen (powered off) or an empty background screen (thinks it's a secondary monitor), and the following results:

    1. fixable by closing, re-sleeping and reopening
    2. fixable by twiddling the brightness and/or display mirroring function keys
    3. fixable by attaching/detaching outboard monitor
    4. completely unresponsive, requires command-ctrl-power reboot
  33. I had a (small) bug. by Distortions · · Score: 1

    So far I've had no problems ( Dual 1.6 90nm G5 ). I did experience one very small and odd bug though. For whatever reason after installing the update and rebooting the power LED never came on. I turned the machine off and back on. it seems to be working fine now.

    Odd.

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  34. Mail.app by BazDM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mail.app was taking up to 2m to load up, now it is back down to about 10s! So far so good. And, um, I feel a little *bigger*, but it is hot in here.

  35. Insane by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 2, Informative
    So I installed it through Software Update, the usual, hit restart. (This is a new stock dual 1.8Ghz G5.) I'm sitting there waiting, and I though man I must be zoning out because I swear I didn't see a progress bar for the boot cycle there.

    So I restart again, and yes, its true - this update has increased the boot cycle on my machine to such speeds that the actual fucking progress bar is gone. The 2nd time I thought I saw a very brief flicker of the progress pane with the bar at half but it was really fast.

    My CRT monitor boots slower than my Mac. Never thought I'd see the day.

    (I even timed it. From chime to login window: 25 seconds.)

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  36. Problems with iShockII driver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've noticed that the fan on my 1.2GHz Powerbook G4 has been running continuously since the update, so I checked Activity Monitor for any problems. There is one: My CPU usage for my iShockII driver is ranging from 30% to over 70% while the system runs idle. All applications are running dog slow, and I imagine I will have to remove the driver until either Apple or MacAlly fixes this problem. Anyone else have this problem?

  37. Re:Bepbepbepbepbepbepbep... by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 1

    I think it's news. I checked slashdot before installing it to see if it fucked anyone over.

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  38. First Boot Slow, Afterwards A-OK by alpharuin · · Score: 1

    The initial reboot after installing the updates (via software update) took noticable long. It was at the Apple logo for about 2 minutes. After that everything was fine.

    1. Re:First Boot Slow, Afterwards A-OK by easter1916 · · Score: 1

      Same here, then the keyboard and mouse locked up at the login screen (G4 1GHz PB 17"). The next (hard) reboot also took ages, then everything functioned correctly on subsequent reboots.

    2. Re:First Boot Slow, Afterwards A-OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The long delay at the Apple logo is due to your boot disk being verified and repaired, if necessary. On the second boot, the repair is no longer needed, so that step finishes much faster.

  39. Ran update on 1.42 Mac mini. by rickumus · · Score: 1

    Everything is ok Mail/iPhoto seem faster. Overall no big changes to notice, I'm still waiting on Tiger! http://www.123macmini.com/

  40. semi-random constant kernel panics... by jimeh · · Score: 1

    i downloaded the delta update and updated my G4 powerbook 1.5GHz from 10.3.7... everything seemed fine, till i got back up online and started protues, instantly when the contact list apeared OSX crashed on me with the pretty lil multilang box. so i rebooted, not being to happy, tried starting protues again, same thing... after that i fucked proteus, and figured i'd check for an update, and use msn messenger for a bit. but, what do you know? bloody cracking msn did the same thing, yet another kernel panic. by this point i was starting to get pissed off... so i tried some other stuff and ran into kernel panics again, altho it was running alright for about 20 min when i wasn't using it :P... it ended with osx being like a tower of jelly compared to dreaded winme even when it came to stability... personally i ended up with having to reinstall osx, with archive and install, cause it was way to unstable to burn anything... somewhere along that line i decided to split my hd into 2 partitions and stuff aswell... i've since burned my data, reinstalled osx, moved the /Users folder to a seperate partition and also moved the virtual memory directory to the same partition since its bigger... i'm currently installing updates to bring it back to 10.3.7, then i'm gonna backup my system partition to a disk image just incase, and try the update once more to see whats going on... hopefully i wont get the same kinda shit again, but with my luck you never know... lol :P

    1. Re:semi-random constant kernel panics... by jimeh · · Score: 1

      ok, well turns out after a lot of shit, that the kernel panics were caused by the updated sound drivers... cause my sound chip is well, dead to some degree, enough for no sound I/O to work anyway... it'd never been a problem previously (other then obvious lack of sound :P), but in 10.3.8 for some reason, the updated sound drivers instantly caused a kernel panic...

      i tried to restore the previoius sound drivers, at least what i could see as the obvious... but with no luck... so i'm stuck with 10.3.7 for a while till i get off this island in the middle of nowhere and get my pb repaired... lol

  41. urls fail on first access by potsmaster · · Score: 1

    after applying 10.3.8, the first attempt to load any site fails. it's like the resolver needs at least one stab before if finds the address. mind, my bad: i use mozilla 1.6.

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