Well, I find that a lot of the new cartoons on CN, including PPG, appeal to viewers like myself that grew up watching '60s and '70s cartoons. I Am Weasel was one of my favirotes, what happened to that? Dexter is ok, Johhy B I can take or leave on any given day, depending on on how truly stupid the plot is (like the one where he was abducted by alien amazons in a case of mistaken identity, though) and Power Puff Girls is actually very watchable. Cow and Chicken and Ed Edd and Eddy are absolute crap, won't even let the kids watch them.
I wouldn't sit down and watch it by myself like I will with Rocky and Bullwinkle, but if the kids want to watch it, I'll sit with them and mostly enjoy it.
If you're referring to the summary, it was written by the one who submitted the article, darekana, not CT. I agree that it didn't make much sense. I would have thought CT would at least wait for another to submit the story with a more coherent summrary, but then you've got darekana bitching about how he submitted it two days ago... *sigh*
Bingo. Thanks for playing. Seems to me he fell short in his attempt to get beaten and arrested on national TV for minding his own business. Kind of dissapointing, really.
I was expecting to read something along the lines of 'I was standing there, with my sign and holding hands with the others and singing when they gassed us, beat us to a pulp, threw us in jail and held us for three days without charging us with anything, etc, etc.
This guy went out asking for it, and didn't even get it. He walked around the area, not so much minding his own business as making a silent plea to the cops, 'arrest me, I look like trouble'. When they stopped him and asked him a few questions, he was uncooperative. This is his right. No one says you have to kiss the cop's ass.
So they show him the inside of the paddy-wagon until he's ready to show some ID. He then walks away. He failed miserably to make the cops look bad, IMO.
Ok, for the 2nd and 3rd movies, maybe. But what about the 1st one. Probably not a truckful, maybe a pickup? IIRC, ANH was not a major budget movie, even though you have big names like Guiness and Cushing. Seem to remember hearing something like $2 million for special effects, gives me the impression that it wasn't a $50 movie where the actors could be entices with million dollar deals.
Makes you wonder, did Lucas let them read the script beforehand? If Guiness thought it was so bad, why would he take the role? I kind doubt Lucas flashed millions under his nose for the first movie. Is it possible hi took the job without reading the script, or having seen how bad it was, thought he could talk Lucas into letting him ad-lib a bit to make it bearable? I would find it hard to believe that an actor of his stature read the script, saw how bad his lines were, and then decided to take the job anyway.
Anyway, hope he passed peacefully. He was a tremendous talent. Too bad he will probably be memorialized as Obi-Wan, his roles in other works like Great Expectations and Oliver Twist were much more substantive, but were not hollywood summer blockbuster sci-fi and so have probably never been seen by most.
If you are really interested in paying tribute, go rent Bridge on the River Kwai.
>It was funnier when it was being chanted at the convention.
Hmmm, guess that what I missed by not watching all that much of the convention (Caught G-dubya last night for about all of 20 minutes, I got the gist).
>(Just in case you were thinking that it would piss the Republicans off. Sorry.)
Pissing off Republicans is a time-honored tradition here in Chicago, but it was not my primary intention.
If there's going to be legit republican supporters running around with these, it does subtract from the 'yuk yuk' factor, though (plus I guess I wouldn't want to be mistaken for a legit supporter of either party, intellectually bankrupt as they are;) )
Yep, they're fully aware of us now, they've figured out how to push our buttons, and the herd reacts exactly as anticipated, playing right into their hands.
It is a sad fact of life. "A person is smart, people are dumb, panicy animals... and YOU KNOW IT!"
Individual/. readers/posters might understand this BS that is being pulled, and be able to refrain from giving them the hits and flames they are trolling for. Unfortunately, the diverse mob on/. simply can't resist unleashing the 'Dreaded Slashdot Effect [TM]' on sites that are calculatedly pushing our collective buttons.
Taco knows full well how this kind of article works/. into a lather, can't figure out if he sincerely wanted to avoid posting it, or is too tempted to flex the slashdot-effect once in a while for some reason or another.
"I avoided posting this because it really is pretty lame, but its getting submitted a lot. "
"Stories like this just make me roll my eyes: the thing will get tons of traffic from you guys and his editor will say "Good Job Fred" because they got to sell lots of banner ads on it. *sigh* "
Yeah, but/. makes its living off the same business-model, so posting this kind of story certainly contributes to revenue from banner hits and has to be hard to resist.
Plus, I personally don't want/. to back off from posting these stories. Yeah, there is a lot of immature flaming and the site gets a bunch-o-hits, but there always seems to be a calm, rational, factual debunking that emerges the next day. Sheltering the/. readership from crap that might make us flip-out doesn't seem to me to be the right way to handle this.
I'd rather see situations like this play out and maybe some of the flamers will get it. No, we won't ever get everyone to control their urge to send profane e-mail to the authors of these articles, but even if only a few learn from the example set by others in showing restraint and dignity in the face of one of these, I think it is worth it.
Well. I guess this puts the whole "better, faster, cheaper" idiocy to rest. Spouting plattitudes that sound nice is no substitute for doing things the right way. Heh, can't wait to show our clue-deficit management this one. We've been extolled to do things BFC, with the added clause "if NASA can find a way, for crissakes, so can you!"
Yeah, but given the choice, _I_ would rather lug only one device around, thank you.;-)
I've already got rid of my text pager by getting SMS on my PCS phone, if I could get rid of the PDA by having more functions added to the phone, I'd go for it.
>I would rather see a PDA that I can talk on like a phone than a phone that acts as a PDA though.
Yep, me to! I'm hoping when 3rd generation wireless networks are built, we'll see devices that are essentialy PDA's that can send/receive Short message, e-mail, browse, etc. but can also function as VoIP phones. I've already got used to the slim earpiece/mic set idea, so having a device like this in a phone form-factor is not required (I would think).
>They make phone's daggonit Actually, they make quite a bit of network infrastructure equip as well. I work for a company that does the billing for wireless phones and wireless data devices, over 1/2 of the marketplace we bill for uses Ericsson telco stuff. Of late they are branching out beyond just the end-user cellphone and cell switch business.
Dunno, you wearing it to a truckstop, or to a bar where the after-work techs hang out. (I live just North of Schaumburg IL where the big Motorola campus is, the 'Alumni Club' is where the young engineers and coders go to quench their thirst and seek female company after work.)
Good question. My take was that since Touretzky was being questioned by the defense, that it was the defense now getting a subpoena to get someone from Copyleft to testify.
I didn't think that meant the same thing as the MPAA trying to get an injunction, or having Copyleft added to the list of defendants for distributing the code. Anyone know for sure what is going on? This statement is a little vague.
I think it is a lot more simple-minded than that. Witness for the defense points out that the code is available on a t-shirt, as well as on/in other non electronic source code file format, and to effectively ban DeCSS, you would have to ban all expressions of this algorithm, including image files, t-shirts, tatoos, etc.
Laywer for the prosecution isn't going to just let that statement go unanswered, decides to file subpoena to get copyleft to come testify.
And yes, it is stupid, but is just another shade of stupid in this whole rainbow of stupid. Once you push the rollercoaster cars off the top, you kind of have to either stay in the car and hang on no matter what bumps and turns come, or fall out.
Hell, gonna wear my shirt out to the bar tonight, always get into interesting discussions about it.
>-- "Sweet Creeping Zombie Jesus" - FascDot Killed My Pr, July 31, 2000
Actually, think Fascdot got this from somewhere else, I'm pretty sure I heard this as line in one of the movies I own. Have to go home tonight and scan through my collection.;-)
Heh, could be a real bragging point if the area in question were in fact large enough to accomodate a legible DeCSS tattoo, although that would hurt like a mother!
Add credence to an interesting hypothesis? I think so!
Who was it who lashed together a papyrus raft and sailed around the Pacific to prove how Polenesians could have originated from South America? (Thor Heyerdahl and the Kon-Tiki? sorry, I probably have this all screwed up, too lazy to check my facts). Don't think he really proved it, just demonstrated that it might be possible.
Same idea here, I would think. This wasn't an elaborate experiment. Basically the microbes were not the primary science, rather it was just piggy-backed on a NASA sub-orbital mission carry solar radiation study payload. This is probably just a first step to further missions that might go orbital and such. Now, probably at very little cost, NASA can say 'see, it might be possible... can we have some more money please to test this out some more?'
Sure, we already know that microbes can survive from what they found on a lunar probe, but that was hardly a controlled experiment. This probably gives them an idea of what parameters they need to set up for the next time.
Can't really throw a spoiler at these three books that I first read over 30 years ago, now can you?;-)
>It's fun to think about things happening in history that will change the course of everything, though, isn't it?
Yep, I like watching that series 'connections' where (James Burke?) charts the series of events that led to a modern situation/invention. Stuff like that facinates me. Maybe why I keep going back to Foundation over and over. I really enjoy the idea of PsychoHistory.
gave me a chuckle, just picked up and started reading 'second foundation' last night. Could it be that the MS anti-trust trial going to the supreme court at the same time Linux 2.4 is approaching release is just the latest Seldon Crisis?
This is true. I don't consider myself a particularly long-time user (got started a couple years ago with RH 5.2) but I agree that RedHat acts as a good started distro and experienced users tend to migrate to others.
The uninitiated mases do tend to think RedHat == Linux. I work in a shop that is mostly IBM Mainframe with a few smaller sub-systems running on Sun servers, the developers use NT. My boss and a few of my colleagues are aware that I use Linux and often ask me 'hey, how is that RedHat thing doing?'
I don't bother to correct them, mostly because it would only confuse them and they are only interested in following what RHAT is trading at. At home I run machines on Debian, Slack and FreeBSD. When I happened into a Thinkpad at a surplus auction, I decided to install RedHat 6.1 after looking around at recommendations for laptop-happy distros.
I bring this machine in everyday and plug it into the network to pull files to and from my NT machine to transport them to and from home (some mp3, maybe some downloaded shareware, the usual "work related" stuff;-) ).
I've had more than a couple people stop by to check out Linux. For better or worse, they have come to recognize the little red fidora icons on my desktop as the indicator that this laptop runs Linux. Maybe when Potato moves to stable I'll try installing it on my thinkpad.
Why, answers to questions we didn't even know enough to ask? I know this was just a glib comment added by timmothy as he posted this, but it makes a good example of the apparent apathy toward scientific exploration that seems to have grown over the years.
Seems all too common an attitude that there should be some immediate purpose for these types of projects. Granted, it has to be hard to go ask for money for something like this and be asked 'why? what will we get out of spending $900 million to go look at Pluto?' and have to answer 'because we don't know for sure what we'll find and we want to know'.
Hell of a lot easier to say 'because if we don't do it first, the russians are going to make us look bad and possibly bomb us from space!'
Except that Ralph didn't cause intentional damage and/or inconvenience to users of the cars in publishing his book. Ralph may have been out to make a buck by publishing his book under the pretense of public safety, maybe. Script kiddies are out to make a name for themselves among their peers and to get a rush of fleeting self-esteem by 'owning' some poor slob sysadmin's box.
I kind of agree that script kiddies are providing something of a benefit to consumers of software and information services by giving a compelling incentive to software makers and online businesses to pay much more attention to security.
Difference in the analogy is that Nader was intentionally focused on exposing the safety problems of the auto industry. Script kiddies probably mostly don't give a rat's hindquarters about the side effect that occurs from their activity.
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Well, I find that a lot of the new cartoons on CN, including PPG, appeal to viewers like myself that grew up watching '60s and '70s cartoons. I Am Weasel was one of my favirotes, what happened to that? Dexter is ok, Johhy B I can take or leave on any given day, depending on on how truly stupid the plot is (like the one where he was abducted by alien amazons in a case of mistaken identity, though) and Power Puff Girls is actually very watchable. Cow and Chicken and Ed Edd and Eddy are absolute crap, won't even let the kids watch them.
I wouldn't sit down and watch it by myself like I will with Rocky and Bullwinkle, but if the kids want to watch it, I'll sit with them and mostly enjoy it.
If you're referring to the summary, it was written by the one who submitted the article, darekana, not CT. I agree that it didn't make much sense. I would have thought CT would at least wait for another to submit the story with a more coherent summrary, but then you've got darekana bitching about how he submitted it two days ago... *sigh*
Bingo. Thanks for playing. Seems to me he fell short in his attempt to get beaten and arrested on national TV for minding his own business. Kind of dissapointing, really.
I was expecting to read something along the lines of 'I was standing there, with my sign and holding hands with the others and singing when they gassed us, beat us to a pulp, threw us in jail and held us for three days without charging us with anything, etc, etc.
This guy went out asking for it, and didn't even get it. He walked around the area, not so much minding his own business as making a silent plea to the cops, 'arrest me, I look like trouble'. When they stopped him and asked him a few questions, he was uncooperative. This is his right. No one says you have to kiss the cop's ass.
So they show him the inside of the paddy-wagon until he's ready to show some ID. He then walks away. He failed miserably to make the cops look bad, IMO.
I just tried to run the NS6 installer and it is asking for username/pass. Did AOL decide to lock it up temporarily for some reason?
Ok, for the 2nd and 3rd movies, maybe. But what about the 1st one. Probably not a truckful, maybe a pickup? IIRC, ANH was not a major budget movie, even though you have big names like Guiness and Cushing. Seem to remember hearing something like $2 million for special effects, gives me the impression that it wasn't a $50 movie where the actors could be entices with million dollar deals.
Makes you wonder, did Lucas let them read the script beforehand? If Guiness thought it was so bad, why would he take the role? I kind doubt Lucas flashed millions under his nose for the first movie. Is it possible hi took the job without reading the script, or having seen how bad it was, thought he could talk Lucas into letting him ad-lib a bit to make it bearable? I would find it hard to believe that an actor of his stature read the script, saw how bad his lines were, and then decided to take the job anyway.
Anyway, hope he passed peacefully. He was a tremendous talent. Too bad he will probably be memorialized as Obi-Wan, his roles in other works like Great Expectations and Oliver Twist were much more substantive, but were not hollywood summer blockbuster sci-fi and so have probably never been seen by most.
If you are really interested in paying tribute, go rent Bridge on the River Kwai.
>It was funnier when it was being chanted at the convention.
;) )
Hmmm, guess that what I missed by not watching all that much of the convention (Caught G-dubya last night for about all of 20 minutes, I got the gist).
>(Just in case you were thinking that it would piss the Republicans off. Sorry.)
Pissing off Republicans is a time-honored tradition here in Chicago, but it was not my primary intention.
If there's going to be legit republican supporters running around with these, it does subtract from the 'yuk yuk' factor, though (plus I guess I wouldn't want to be mistaken for a legit supporter of either party, intellectually bankrupt as they are
>Bush and Dick 2000
OT, but that is the funniest damn thing I've seen all week! Bravo.
(now, anyone know where I can get about 1000 custom bumper-stickers printed?)
dunno about guidescope, but IIRC, junkbuster doesn't even forward requests to the adfarms and so denies them the hits.
Yep, they're fully aware of us now, they've figured out how to push our buttons, and the herd reacts exactly as anticipated, playing right into their hands.
/. readers/posters might understand this BS that is being pulled, and be able to refrain from giving them the hits and flames they are trolling for. Unfortunately, the diverse mob on /. simply can't resist unleashing the 'Dreaded Slashdot Effect [TM]' on sites that are calculatedly pushing our collective buttons.
/. into a lather, can't figure out if he sincerely wanted to avoid posting it, or is too tempted to flex the slashdot-effect once in a while for some reason or another.
/. makes its living off the same business-model, so posting this kind of story certainly contributes to revenue from banner hits and has to be hard to resist.
/. to back off from posting these stories. Yeah, there is a lot of immature flaming and the site gets a bunch-o-hits, but there always seems to be a calm, rational, factual debunking that emerges the next day. Sheltering the /. readership from crap that might make us flip-out doesn't seem to me to be the right way to handle this.
It is a sad fact of life. "A person is smart, people are dumb, panicy animals... and YOU KNOW IT!"
Individual
Taco knows full well how this kind of article works
"I avoided posting this because it really is pretty lame, but its getting submitted a lot. "
"Stories like this just make me roll my eyes: the thing will get tons of traffic from you guys and his editor will say "Good Job Fred" because they got to sell lots of banner ads on it. *sigh* "
Yeah, but
Plus, I personally don't want
I'd rather see situations like this play out and maybe some of the flamers will get it. No, we won't ever get everyone to control their urge to send profane e-mail to the authors of these articles, but even if only a few learn from the example set by others in showing restraint and dignity in the face of one of these, I think it is worth it.
Well. I guess this puts the whole "better, faster, cheaper" idiocy to rest. Spouting plattitudes that sound nice is no substitute for doing things the right way. Heh, can't wait to show our clue-deficit management this one. We've been extolled to do things BFC, with the added clause "if NASA can find a way, for crissakes, so can you!"
HA!
Yeah, but given the choice, _I_ would rather lug only one device around, thank you. ;-)
I've already got rid of my text pager by getting SMS on my PCS phone, if I could get rid of the PDA by having more functions added to the phone, I'd go for it.
>I would rather see a PDA that I can talk on like a phone than a phone that acts as a PDA though.
Yep, me to! I'm hoping when 3rd generation wireless networks are built, we'll see devices that are essentialy PDA's that can send/receive Short message, e-mail, browse, etc. but can also function as VoIP phones. I've already got used to the slim earpiece/mic set idea, so having a device like this in a phone form-factor is not required (I would think).
>They make phone's daggonit Actually, they make quite a bit of network infrastructure equip as well. I work for a company that does the billing for wireless phones and wireless data devices, over 1/2 of the marketplace we bill for uses Ericsson telco stuff. Of late they are branching out beyond just the end-user cellphone and cell switch business.
Dunno, you wearing it to a truckstop, or to a bar where the after-work techs hang out. (I live just North of Schaumburg IL where the big Motorola campus is, the 'Alumni Club' is where the young engineers and coders go to quench their thirst and seek female company after work.)
Good question. My take was that since Touretzky was being questioned by the defense, that it was the defense now getting a subpoena to get someone from Copyleft to testify.
I didn't think that meant the same thing as the MPAA trying to get an injunction, or having Copyleft added to the list of defendants for distributing the code. Anyone know for sure what is going on? This statement is a little vague.
I think it is a lot more simple-minded than that. Witness for the defense points out that the code is available on a t-shirt, as well as on/in other non electronic source code file format, and to effectively ban DeCSS, you would have to ban all expressions of this algorithm, including image files, t-shirts, tatoos, etc.
Laywer for the prosecution isn't going to just let that statement go unanswered, decides to file subpoena to get copyleft to come testify.
And yes, it is stupid, but is just another shade of stupid in this whole rainbow of stupid. Once you push the rollercoaster cars off the top, you kind of have to either stay in the car and hang on no matter what bumps and turns come, or fall out.
Hell, gonna wear my shirt out to the bar tonight, always get into interesting discussions about it.
Ah yes, that would be it, thanks.
>-- "Sweet Creeping Zombie Jesus" - FascDot Killed My Pr, July 31, 2000
;-)
Actually, think Fascdot got this from somewhere else, I'm pretty sure I heard this as line in one of the movies I own. Have to go home tonight and scan through my collection.
Heh, could be a real bragging point if the area in question were in fact large enough to accomodate a legible DeCSS tattoo, although that would hurt like a mother!
Prove? No.
Add credence to an interesting hypothesis? I think so!
Who was it who lashed together a papyrus raft and sailed around the Pacific to prove how Polenesians could have originated from South America? (Thor Heyerdahl and the Kon-Tiki? sorry, I probably have this all screwed up, too lazy to check my facts). Don't think he really proved it, just demonstrated that it might be possible.
Same idea here, I would think. This wasn't an elaborate experiment. Basically the microbes were not the primary science, rather it was just piggy-backed on a NASA sub-orbital mission carry solar radiation study payload. This is probably just a first step to further missions that might go orbital and such. Now, probably at very little cost, NASA can say 'see, it might be possible... can we have some more money please to test this out some more?'
Sure, we already know that microbes can survive from what they found on a lunar probe, but that was hardly a controlled experiment. This probably gives them an idea of what parameters they need to set up for the next time.
Can't really throw a spoiler at these three books that I first read over 30 years ago, now can you? ;-)
>It's fun to think about things happening in history that will change the course of everything, though, isn't it?
Yep, I like watching that series 'connections' where (James Burke?) charts the series of events that led to a modern situation/invention. Stuff like that facinates me. Maybe why I keep going back to Foundation over and over. I really enjoy the idea of PsychoHistory.
gave me a chuckle, just picked up and started reading 'second foundation' last night. Could it be that the MS anti-trust trial going to the supreme court at the same time Linux 2.4 is approaching release is just the latest Seldon Crisis?
This is true. I don't consider myself a particularly long-time user (got started a couple years ago with RH 5.2) but I agree that RedHat acts as a good started distro and experienced users tend to migrate to others.
;-) ).
The uninitiated mases do tend to think RedHat == Linux. I work in a shop that is mostly IBM Mainframe with a few smaller sub-systems running on Sun servers, the developers use NT. My boss and a few of my colleagues are aware that I use Linux and often ask me 'hey, how is that RedHat thing doing?'
I don't bother to correct them, mostly because it would only confuse them and they are only interested in following what RHAT is trading at. At home I run machines on Debian, Slack and FreeBSD. When I happened into a Thinkpad at a surplus auction, I decided to install RedHat 6.1 after looking around at recommendations for laptop-happy distros.
I bring this machine in everyday and plug it into the network to pull files to and from my NT machine to transport them to and from home (some mp3, maybe some downloaded shareware, the usual "work related" stuff
I've had more than a couple people stop by to check out Linux. For better or worse, they have come to recognize the little red fidora icons on my desktop as the indicator that this laptop runs Linux. Maybe when Potato moves to stable I'll try installing it on my thinkpad.
(And what are we looking for on Pluto again?)
Why, answers to questions we didn't even know enough to ask? I know this was just a glib comment added by timmothy as he posted this, but it makes a good example of the apparent apathy toward scientific exploration that seems to have grown over the years.
Seems all too common an attitude that there should be some immediate purpose for these types of projects. Granted, it has to be hard to go ask for money for something like this and be asked 'why? what will we get out of spending $900 million to go look at Pluto?' and have to answer 'because we don't know for sure what we'll find and we want to know'.
Hell of a lot easier to say 'because if we don't do it first, the russians are going to make us look bad and possibly bomb us from space!'
"Signal 11 posts a lot of dull uninterested uninspired crap, []" --Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda
Read the rest of the quote in context at the link in my sig (worth a chuckle)
Except that Ralph didn't cause intentional damage and/or inconvenience to users of the cars in publishing his book. Ralph may have been out to make a buck by publishing his book under the pretense of public safety, maybe. Script kiddies are out to make a name for themselves among their peers and to get a rush of fleeting self-esteem by 'owning' some poor slob sysadmin's box.
I kind of agree that script kiddies are providing something of a benefit to consumers of software and information services by giving a compelling incentive to software makers and online businesses to pay much more attention to security.
Difference in the analogy is that Nader was intentionally focused on exposing the safety problems of the auto industry. Script kiddies probably mostly don't give a rat's hindquarters about the side effect that occurs from their activity.