You have to use terms that these guys understand. They don't understand that if people can't write ``open source software'' or ``shareware'' that it's a bad thing.
However, try this: Test their web pages and mail system. For instance, www.mdarchives.state.md.us (the archives of the state of Maryland) uses Apache. Ask them to ask their web gurus how much it would cost to switch WindowsNT/IIS in terms of labor cost and stuff. Tell them that over half of the web sites out there and over half of the email systems out there use open source products -- products that would have to be discontinued if this bill passes due to liability to the developers. Then tell them that the next time they open a product from a computer store -- something with a shrink-wrap license on it -- that it could be an empty box and they wouldn't have any legal recourse against the company.
Use those scenarios, they will understand much better. They understand half of the companies in the US being inconvienience, they understand being able to be ripped off. They don't understand development models.
Here at Georgia Tech, there is *lots* of traffic on the git.* newsgroups. Partly because you sort of know the people on the newsgroups, mainly because off-campus posts/reads are dis-allowed, which drastically cuts down on the spam.
For instance, git.cc.class.cs2330.flame gets sometimes hundreds of posts a day. Git.unix.linux is one of the best newsgroups around for getting help with problems/questions about linux.
I think that by setting up, say, Mindspring newsgroups for mindspring customers (and advertising them) that they might be able to utilize usenet. But you need some way to keep tabs on the spammers, and terminate them to the full extent of the user agreement.
HP-UX is designed to print to text-only line printers and PostScript printers. Only. It may be possible to use a non-PostScript printer with a third party program (like ghostscript) but no garuntees.
The same could be said for WinPrinters and MacOS... I haven't seen anyone under MacOS get a Windows Printer to work right out-of-the-box... Does this mean that MacOS has usability problems?
Isn't it just like apple to say that there will be no theme support.
One of the things I hate about the Apple way of doing things is that they think the way to make things simpler is to take away options.
For instance, we are using CIPE-over-PPP-over-ATM to network ourselves over DSL to another network. It works really well, but it eats up about 60 bytes out of each TCP packet. This is no problem for places where MTU path discovery works, but many places block ICMP, and so MTU discovery doesn't work... in any case, the best solution is to set the max MTU size down to 1440 or so.
Under Linux, this is easy... ifconfig eth0 mtu 1440 Under Windows, there is a registry setting. Not the right way to do it in my opinion, but at least it can be done. There is NO WAY to do this under MacOS that I could find. The only solution was some guy who hacked up the TCP/IP stack and wrote a little control panel where you could change the settings. That's not the way to do things.
Or the mouse. I know that Apple people say that one button is easier than 2 or 3, but my Mac friend told me the other day that one of the things I needed to do for something was option-click-click-and-hold. That's EASIER than right-click or middle-click?
Now, Apple has done some very good things in terms of user interfaces... it's a very uniform user interface. Back in 1984, it was an extremely modern way to do things. But over the last 15 years or so they've fallen behind in the technical arena. No preemptive multitasking (until now, more on that in a minute) is unacceptable. And how do they make up for it? FUD. Steve Jobs said that you couldn't buy a faster computer than a G3. Not only could you get a PII to run faster, but he completely neglected the Alpha, UltraSparc, PA-RISC, etc. These aren't typically home machines, sure, but he was trying to say that the G3 was some sort of Super Computer or something. We see this continued with the silly Army Tank / G4 commercial, which is not so much a testament to the speed of the G4 (Don't get me wrong, it's a nice chip, but it's not beating the Origin 2000 or Enterprise 4500 behind me any time soon) as it is backwards and outdated US laws.
Now we have OS X. I must say that I'm very happy that Apple is getting into the Modern OS Architecture arena. And they certainly chose some good technologies to support. I have high hopes that Apple can come up with a really excellent product... though I still see that they treat seperate partitions as seperate filesystem spaces. D'oh.
But I must say I'm not totally convinced that OS X is something that I want to run in the future. Apple has not been what I'd call a friendly company in the last few years. It used to be that Apple was the good guy and IBM was the bad guy. Now Microsoft is certainly the bad guy... but I'm not convinced that Apple is a good guy. If Steve Jobs and MacOS controlled 80% of the market share, would that really be better than it is now? Think about who controlls the industry and how they deal with specs and such. Is Apple any better? Worse?
I'd say that it'd be worse. You'd have to buy your hardware from Apple. Prices would be inflated without the competition. And your computer would have to be smurf-puke blue.:-)
I don't want a QT client from apple. When Apple writes its own clients, they're always MacOS-ish, regardless of the underlying architecture, and they never let you do some of the tricks you need to do. And, there isn't a real reason to have a different client for QT and AVI and MPEG.
What I want to see from Apple is a QuickTime codec library. Something that we could put into an existing project, whether it be xanim or the new media player from the LiViD project. If I'm using the LiViD player for MPEG and for AVI, I don't want a seperate, Apple-made-and-feature-poor player for quicktime movies.
What is the relationship between NEXTSTEP and the new MacOS X? If the OpenSTEP project is successful in making a NEXTSTEP-compatable system, would it be trivial to compile the new MacOS stuff to run under it?
Now, I don't agree with most censorware. But I DO think that children should be supervised when doing all sorts of things, including using the Internet.
Children absorb lots of stuff. Look at how we can see this: children with parents who are racist tend to be racist. Children tought to steal things or to lie tend to think it's OK later on in life. Social norms are leanrned from your surroundings.
And, frankly, as much as I want uncensored speech on the internet, there are lots of sites that I wouldn't want small children watching. I don't think that a young child should watch videos of women being raped like it's a good thing, or a funny thing. I don't think that they should watch 40-year-old men and 9-year-old girls doing naughty things. But there are definitely things that are caught up in over-conservative filters that I think my children should have access to.
I think that the best solution is just what John McCain said -- that the Parents should know what their children are doing. If my son wants to learn fencing, that's great. If he wants to learn how to shoot a gun, that's fine, too. If he wants to kill people, that's bad. And knowing that sort of thing is something that you can know if you spend enough time with your children and have communication with them.
But how can you supervise your children while they are at school? How can a librarian or a teacher look at 40 computers at the same time? I think that censorware provides a useful purpose in these situations -- although it should certainly be easy for a teacher to bypass the product in situations where it has nabbed a site that is important for education.
And I certainly think that John McCain is closer to knowing what is right than many other current political figures
Now, I don't agree with most censorware. But I DO think that children should be supervised when doing all sorts of things, including using the Internet.
Children absorb lots of stuff. Look at how we can see this: children with parents who are racist tend to be racist. Children tought to steal things or to lie tend to think it's OK later on in life. Social norms are leanrned from your surroundings.
And, frankly, as much as I want uncensored speech on the internet, there are lots of sites that I wouldn't want small children watching. I don't think that a young child should watch videos of women being raped like it's a good thing, or a funny thing. I don't think that they should watch 40-year-old men and 9-year-old girls doing naughty things. But there are definitely things that are caught up in over-conservative filters that I think my children should have access to.
I think that the best solution is just what John McCain said -- that the Parents should know what their children are doing. If my son wants to learn fencing, that's great. If he wants to learn how to shoot a gun, that's fine, too. If he wants to kill people, that's bad. And knowing that sort of thing is something that you can know if you spend enough time with your children and have communication with them.
But how can you supervise your children while they are at school? How can a librarian or a teacher look at 40 computers at the same time? I think that censorware provides a useful purpose in these situations -- although it should certainly be easy for a teacher to bypass the product in situations where it has nabbed a site that is important for education.
Sloppy focus: focus follows mouse unless mouse goes outside window onto root window (AKA desktop) in which case focus does not change.
If you're typing with both hands how are you going to bump your mouse? I guess I don't use my mouse unless I have to (like click submit when I'm in netscape and posting on slashdot.) but it's still really not that much of a problem. And I HATE having to click on a window to bring it into focus... if I click in a window I want it to do a mouse click on whereever I click, not do a focus change.
And I typically don't select something because I'll need it 15 minutes from now. I typically have something in netscape that I want to put into xterm or vice-versa or xterm-to-xterm. And so select-with-left and paste-with-middle means I don't have to remember to copy it into the clipboard. It seems logical to me.
And whatever the MacOS UI may be, I certainly don't find it ``satisfying.''
Few computer programs are in mission-critical roles, like the brakes on a car, but people still need to be able to trust labels. If it says 'x', it should provide 'x', not 'x if y' or 'x maybe'.
As a realtime embedded guy I worked with would say, ``shows how much you know.''
Take, for instance, the MC68HC11. This microcontroller was designed for automobile manufacturers. The HC12 was designed because motorola didn't want to lose out on antilock brake system controls.
Every Dodge/Chrysler car has a Motorola MC68HC16 in it that does all sorts of stuff. Microcontrollers run much of the mission-critical stuff you see around you. But if you work with microcontroller guys (and gals) you'll find that they strain their brains for every concievable way that something can go wrong... if you think systems programmers for a typical PC os or even for high-end server systems are anal retentive you've never met a good embedded microcontroller programmer.
How can you say that the MacOS GUI is years ahead of Linux when I can't even do SloppyFocus or select-goes-into-clipboard? I find MacOS *extremely* hard to use. It's easy to learn, sure, but I can't use it on a day-to-day basis.
Saying that having some ham put kiddie porn on your PDA is like saying that some internet guy can put a picture of a dancing elvis on your computer monitor without permission. Sure, he can throw those bits at your computer, but (hopefully) your computer doesn't listen to everything sent to it.
This is much like your TV, which has many channels sent to it, but only shows you one at a time.
Have you ever used Ham radio? Do you know Ham operators? Those ``geeky HAM dweebs'' are much better-behaved than your typical AOL user. When someone starts acting inappropriately, it's the Hams who find her first and report her to the FCC.
Do you quite understand what you're saying? By your same logic, the US government should control all the networks because otherwise geeky computer users might be able to trash our data. Sheesh. Just because something is wireless doesn't make it inherently less secure. Wireless communication is just another way to transmit information... instead of transmitting over a wire or a fiber line, you're transmitting through the air. People can snoop your data, yes. But this isn't much different than wires today... especially consider Ethernet, where everyone gets everyone's traffic by design!
Having public communications channels isn't the end of the world. It is nice to have the FCC to have set frequency ranges set aside for different purposes. But I think you don't understand wireless communication or HAM radio operators at all.
It produces limitless energy! Use it for bombs or rocket fuel or just to heat your home!
It also keeps ships from rusting while giving them stealth ability, AND you can use it for artificial intelligence to fly your light-speed flying saucer! Yes, you too can soon invest in this wonderful technology... just send your chek for $100 (plus $24 S/H) to:
When a company IPOs, they typically base their price on what they are worth as a company. Investors (well, good investors) try to get shares on what they think the company will be worth in the future. So, if the market doesn't see farming equipment as having huge growth, the stocks won't have huge growth. If the market sees the internet or the medical industry as having huge growth, the stock value of the company will be more than what the company is worth now. Get it?
C2 is the lowest certification level you can get. (well, besides no certification). It pretty much means ``This operating system makes users log in, and marks stuff as to who has access to it'' if the (physical) access is restricted. So, if you have physical access to the NT box it's not secure from you. It also doesn't mean that programs cannot be constructed to bypass the security measures.
The mars probes are really, really cool. If it can't contact Earth in like 6 days or something, it figures out ``Well, either I'm broken or the Earth isn't there'' and so decides that something is broken. It will then systematically turn off every part there is a backup for and turn on the backup. It will try every possible combination until it contacts earth. (or runs out of batteries, or is eaten by Martians, or...)
So don't give up hope for a few weeks.
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The origional mac keyboard didn't even have an escape key. The control key was also in the wrong place (it was in the lower left hand corner). The Happy Hacking keyboard is really nice compared to lots of PC keyboards, but I still like the Sun 5 unix kbd better...
The market tends to look at the future... if Red Hat is the dominant Linux distro 8 years from now, and Linux is the dominant OS, then Red Hat might be rakin' in lots of money. So investors are willing to pay $$$ to get in on it now.
Interesting that they remove it from their web pages...
I worked for a company that had military contracts, and our corporate web pages had javascript -- but our firewall stripped out ActiveX/Java/JavaScript from external web sources. With ActiveX/Java/JavaScript the problem isn't usually the server, it's usually the client, right?
In any case, does anyone remember the _Far_Side_ that has the mother and son dog... the son is in Jail and the mother is visiting, saying ``You should't have chased the _president's_ car'' or something like that...
Ugh... I used CDE. I used it all summer, and then eliminated it and ran blackbox and (after a long time forcing it to compile under Solaris), gnome. I would certainly die from a DE that was like CDE, not for a DE that was like CDE. Besides being ugly, it's not very useful, it's ugly, it's a pain to configure (believe me, I spent a good week writing dt action files), it's ugly, and the bar is really stupid. Did I mention that CDE is ugly?
Do you need to plug it into the wall, like you do for the Voodoo 5?
I found it really funny that because each of the new chips uses 7 watts of power, if you have more than 3 it can't get enough from the bus (AGP provides 20W of power)... so if you look at the picture there's a brick that you have to plug into your outlet in your wall, and then plug into the back of the card.../me is wondering how much heatsink/fannage you'll need for 4x7watt processors...
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However, try this: Test their web pages and mail system. For instance, www.mdarchives.state.md.us (the archives of the state of Maryland) uses Apache. Ask them to ask their web gurus how much it would cost to switch WindowsNT/IIS in terms of labor cost and stuff. Tell them that over half of the web sites out there and over half of the email systems out there use open source products -- products that would have to be discontinued if this bill passes due to liability to the developers. Then tell them that the next time they open a product from a computer store -- something with a shrink-wrap license on it -- that it could be an empty box and they wouldn't have any legal recourse against the company.
Use those scenarios, they will understand much better. They understand half of the companies in the US being inconvienience, they understand being able to be ripped off. They don't understand development models.
Sorry, the origional poster is right. The notebook is pretty nice, but it's not anything stellar.
For instance, how is Wireless and Firewire helpful if there are no compatable devices?
And you can buy a K7 and overclock it to 1Ghz... what's your point?
For instance, git.cc.class.cs2330.flame gets sometimes hundreds of posts a day. Git.unix.linux is one of the best newsgroups around for getting help with problems/questions about linux.
I think that by setting up, say, Mindspring newsgroups for mindspring customers (and advertising them) that they might be able to utilize usenet. But you need some way to keep tabs on the spammers, and terminate them to the full extent of the user agreement.
The same could be said for WinPrinters and MacOS... I haven't seen anyone under MacOS get a Windows Printer to work right out-of-the-box... Does this mean that MacOS has usability problems?
Just playing devil's advocate...
One of the things I hate about the Apple way of doing things is that they think the way to make things simpler is to take away options.
For instance, we are using CIPE-over-PPP-over-ATM to network ourselves over DSL to another network. It works really well, but it eats up about 60 bytes out of each TCP packet. This is no problem for places where MTU path discovery works, but many places block ICMP, and so MTU discovery doesn't work... in any case, the best solution is to set the max MTU size down to 1440 or so.
Under Linux, this is easy... ifconfig eth0 mtu 1440
Under Windows, there is a registry setting. Not the right way to do it in my opinion, but at least it can be done.
There is NO WAY to do this under MacOS that I could find. The only solution was some guy who hacked up the TCP/IP stack and wrote a little control panel where you could change the settings. That's not the way to do things.
Or the mouse. I know that Apple people say that one button is easier than 2 or 3, but my Mac friend told me the other day that one of the things I needed to do for something was option-click-click-and-hold. That's EASIER than right-click or middle-click?
Now, Apple has done some very good things in terms of user interfaces... it's a very uniform user interface. Back in 1984, it was an extremely modern way to do things. But over the last 15 years or so they've fallen behind in the technical arena. No preemptive multitasking (until now, more on that in a minute) is unacceptable. And how do they make up for it? FUD. Steve Jobs said that you couldn't buy a faster computer than a G3. Not only could you get a PII to run faster, but he completely neglected the Alpha, UltraSparc, PA-RISC, etc. These aren't typically home machines, sure, but he was trying to say that the G3 was some sort of Super Computer or something. We see this continued with the silly Army Tank / G4 commercial, which is not so much a testament to the speed of the G4 (Don't get me wrong, it's a nice chip, but it's not beating the Origin 2000 or Enterprise 4500 behind me any time soon) as it is backwards and outdated US laws.
Now we have OS X. I must say that I'm very happy that Apple is getting into the Modern OS Architecture arena. And they certainly chose some good technologies to support. I have high hopes that Apple can come up with a really excellent product... though I still see that they treat seperate partitions as seperate filesystem spaces. D'oh.
But I must say I'm not totally convinced that OS X is something that I want to run in the future. Apple has not been what I'd call a friendly company in the last few years. It used to be that Apple was the good guy and IBM was the bad guy. Now Microsoft is certainly the bad guy... but I'm not convinced that Apple is a good guy. If Steve Jobs and MacOS controlled 80% of the market share, would that really be better than it is now? Think about who controlls the industry and how they deal with specs and such. Is Apple any better? Worse?
I'd say that it'd be worse. You'd have to buy your hardware from Apple. Prices would be inflated without the competition. And your computer would have to be smurf-puke blue. :-)
What I want to see from Apple is a QuickTime codec library. Something that we could put into an existing project, whether it be xanim or the new media player from the LiViD project. If I'm using the LiViD player for MPEG and for AVI, I don't want a seperate, Apple-made-and-feature-poor player for quicktime movies.
I really liked the Space Trilogy series (Out of the Silent Planet, Paralandra, haven't gotten to the thrid book yet) by Lewis.
I mean GNUStep, not OpenSTEP. OpenSTEP == NEXTSTEP. I knew that. Sorry.
What is the relationship between NEXTSTEP and the new MacOS X? If the OpenSTEP project is successful in making a NEXTSTEP-compatable system, would it be trivial to compile the new MacOS stuff to run under it?
Now, I don't agree with most censorware. But I DO think that children should be supervised when doing all sorts of things, including using the Internet.
Children absorb lots of stuff. Look at how we can see this: children with parents who are racist tend to be racist. Children tought to steal things or to lie tend to think it's OK later on in life. Social norms are leanrned from your surroundings.
And, frankly, as much as I want uncensored speech on the internet, there are lots of sites that I wouldn't want small children watching. I don't think that a young child should watch videos of women being raped like it's a good thing, or a funny thing. I don't think that they should watch 40-year-old men and 9-year-old girls doing naughty things. But there are definitely things that are caught up in over-conservative filters that I think my children should have access to.
I think that the best solution is just what John McCain said -- that the Parents should know what their children are doing. If my son wants to learn fencing, that's great. If he wants to learn how to shoot a gun, that's fine, too. If he wants to kill people, that's bad. And knowing that sort of thing is something that you can know if you spend enough time with your children and have communication with them.
But how can you supervise your children while they are at school? How can a librarian or a teacher look at 40 computers at the same time? I think that censorware provides a useful purpose in these situations -- although it should certainly be easy for a teacher to bypass the product in situations where it has nabbed a site that is important for education.
And I certainly think that John McCain is closer to knowing what is right than many other current political figures
Now, I don't agree with most censorware. But I DO think that children should be supervised when doing all sorts of things, including using the Internet.
Children absorb lots of stuff. Look at how we can see this: children with parents who are racist tend to be racist. Children tought to steal things or to lie tend to think it's OK later on in life. Social norms are leanrned from your surroundings.
And, frankly, as much as I want uncensored speech on the internet, there are lots of sites that I wouldn't want small children watching. I don't think that a young child should watch videos of women being raped like it's a good thing, or a funny thing. I don't think that they should watch 40-year-old men and 9-year-old girls doing naughty things. But there are definitely things that are caught up in over-conservative filters that I think my children should have access to.
I think that the best solution is just what John McCain said -- that the Parents should know what their children are doing. If my son wants to learn fencing, that's great. If he wants to learn how to shoot a gun, that's fine, too. If he wants to kill people, that's bad. And knowing that sort of thing is something that you can know if you spend enough time with your children and have communication with them.
But how can you supervise your children while they are at school? How can a librarian or a teacher look at 40 computers at the same time? I think that censorware provides a useful purpose in these situations -- although it should certainly be easy for a teacher to bypass the product in situations where it has nabbed a site that is important for education.
If you're typing with both hands how are you going to bump your mouse? I guess I don't use my mouse unless I have to (like click submit when I'm in netscape and posting on slashdot.) but it's still really not that much of a problem. And I HATE having to click on a window to bring it into focus... if I click in a window I want it to do a mouse click on whereever I click, not do a focus change.
And I typically don't select something because I'll need it 15 minutes from now. I typically have something in netscape that I want to put into xterm or vice-versa or xterm-to-xterm. And so select-with-left and paste-with-middle means I don't have to remember to copy it into the clipboard. It seems logical to me.
And whatever the MacOS UI may be, I certainly don't find it ``satisfying.''
As a realtime embedded guy I worked with would say, ``shows how much you know.''
Take, for instance, the MC68HC11. This microcontroller was designed for automobile manufacturers. The HC12 was designed because motorola didn't want to lose out on antilock brake system controls.
Every Dodge/Chrysler car has a Motorola MC68HC16 in it that does all sorts of stuff. Microcontrollers run much of the mission-critical stuff you see around you. But if you work with microcontroller guys (and gals) you'll find that they strain their brains for every concievable way that something can go wrong... if you think systems programmers for a typical PC os or even for high-end server systems are anal retentive you've never met a good embedded microcontroller programmer.
How can you say that the MacOS GUI is years ahead of Linux when I can't even do SloppyFocus or select-goes-into-clipboard? I find MacOS *extremely* hard to use. It's easy to learn, sure, but I can't use it on a day-to-day basis.
This is much like your TV, which has many channels sent to it, but only shows you one at a time.
Have you ever used Ham radio? Do you know Ham operators? Those ``geeky HAM dweebs'' are much better-behaved than your typical AOL user. When someone starts acting inappropriately, it's the Hams who find her first and report her to the FCC.
Do you quite understand what you're saying? By your same logic, the US government should control all the networks because otherwise geeky computer users might be able to trash our data. Sheesh. Just because something is wireless doesn't make it inherently less secure. Wireless communication is just another way to transmit information... instead of transmitting over a wire or a fiber line, you're transmitting through the air. People can snoop your data, yes. But this isn't much different than wires today... especially consider Ethernet, where everyone gets everyone's traffic by design!
Having public communications channels isn't the end of the world. It is nice to have the FCC to have set frequency ranges set aside for different purposes. But I think you don't understand wireless communication or HAM radio operators at all.
It produces limitless energy! Use it for bombs or rocket fuel or just to heat your home!
It also keeps ships from rusting while giving them stealth ability, AND you can use it for artificial intelligence to fly your light-speed flying saucer! Yes, you too can soon invest in this wonderful technology... just send your chek for $100 (plus $24 S/H) to:
...
Sorry, no CODs.
When a company IPOs, they typically base their price on what they are worth as a company. Investors (well, good investors) try to get shares on what they think the company will be worth in the future. So, if the market doesn't see farming equipment as having huge growth, the stocks won't have huge growth. If the market sees the internet or the medical industry as having huge growth, the stock value of the company will be more than what the company is worth now. Get it?
C2 is the lowest certification level you can get. (well, besides no certification). It pretty much means ``This operating system makes users log in, and marks stuff as to who has access to it'' if the (physical) access is restricted. So, if you have physical access to the NT box it's not secure from you. It also doesn't mean that programs cannot be constructed to bypass the security measures.
So don't give up hope for a few weeks.
The origional mac keyboard didn't even have an escape key. The control key was also in the wrong place (it was in the lower left hand corner). The Happy Hacking keyboard is really nice compared to lots of PC keyboards, but I still like the Sun 5 unix kbd better...
The market tends to look at the future... if Red Hat is the dominant Linux distro 8 years from now, and Linux is the dominant OS, then Red Hat might be rakin' in lots of money. So investors are willing to pay $$$ to get in on it now.
I worked for a company that had military contracts, and our corporate web pages had javascript -- but our firewall stripped out ActiveX/Java/JavaScript from external web sources. With ActiveX/Java/JavaScript the problem isn't usually the server, it's usually the client, right?
In any case, does anyone remember the _Far_Side_ that has the mother and son dog... the son is in Jail and the mother is visiting, saying ``You should't have chased the _president's_ car'' or something like that...
Ugh... I used CDE. I used it all summer, and then eliminated it and ran blackbox and (after a long time forcing it to compile under Solaris), gnome. I would certainly die from a DE that was like CDE, not for a DE that was like CDE. Besides being ugly, it's not very useful, it's ugly, it's a pain to configure (believe me, I spent a good week writing dt action files), it's ugly, and the bar is really stupid. Did I mention that CDE is ugly?
I found it really funny that because each of the new chips uses 7 watts of power, if you have more than 3 it can't get enough from the bus (AGP provides 20W of power) ... so if you look at the picture there's a brick that you have to plug into your outlet in your wall, and then plug into the back of the card... /me is wondering how much heatsink/fannage you'll need for 4x7watt processors...