Lets put the word "stronger" into some perspective.
When you have a magnet and hold it over a nail the magnet pulls the nail up with electromagnetic forces and the earth pulls the nail down with gravity. That small magnet, the size of a coin, counteracts the gravity field of the WHOLE EARTH.
Electromagnetism is WAAAAAAAY stronger than gravity. That is why it does not really matter.
You do not see people or objects in attracting each other with gravity either, the only field that matter close to earth is the field of earth itself. This is because the gravity file of normal objects is very very weak.
I fully agree with you, but Apple should continue to support and sell FCP7 for people who want to keep on using it. Microsoft sold XP while Vista was already out. And supported it well into the long term future.
The problem with quite a few/.ers here is a disconnect with the idea of a process. In most pro industries, people follow productions pipelines. That involves buying or reducing as may be licenses for a product as work comes and goes. And the fact that Apple now all of a sudden from point A to B stopped supporting or selling or licensing FCP7 is the issue. Also, companies have to think of middle to long-term upgrade paths for their tools, workstations. They have to think about training, about upgrading or replacing workstations and a lot of other things. Apple's sudden jump makes that sort of planning rather difficult.
True, the basic steps of a programming language are easy, but the complexity does NOT arise from that. The complexity is emergent, arising from many interactions between the easy steps.
I have built a wall once. It is easy. I took a brink, put it down, took some cement and put it n and so on. The wall is OK. Extending this to build a house might be sort-of viable, but as soon as you hit two stories you are dealing with extra structural support during the construction phase and so on. Wo while the individual steps are easy it is not easy to build a large house, never mind the Empire State Building.
Anyone can write a small script or a webpage. Writing a complete application is entirely another thing, regardless of the development ease of the individual parts.
In fact, why do you think that an AI would not be criminal or altruistic or jealous or power hungry or depressed or any of the things that humans do. Perhaps all of this is part of being intelligent, just like deadly viruses and a kill rate in the zillions of organisms per hour makes mother nature work?
> It's different because religious zealots are more likely to be suicidal
They believe in an eternal afterlife, which means suicide brings you to your 72 virgins and happiness everlasting. That is the difference. They are not more suicidal, the consequences are just not quite the same.
>As evil as the Soviets were,
Marxism is a secular religion.
Holy prophets? Check. Prophets have beards? Check. A holy book? Check A promise of nirvana? Check. Belief that the infidel needs to be tamed or brought into the fold? Check. Supressing of the non-believers? Check. Missionary Zeal? Check. Lots of schisms? Check.
All the classic signs that you are dealing with a religion, right there. No good to have them with nukes either.
> However, Christianity does not have a significant history of suicidal martyrdom (at least not intentional).
Tapes are cheaper than disks. The tape DRIVE is not. It is that one time initial investment that is a bit prohibitive, for small users at least. There is a break even point but it is out of reach for many individuals and small businesses. However, I agree backups are like fire insurance, peole scoff at it until the house burns down.
My dad (small business, a mom-and-pop drugstore/pharmacy) was once bitching about the schlep and costs of making backups to disks from a Xenix system (which he was using until 2007...). He blankly refused to buy a tape drive. Then I pointed out to him the costs of a total loss of all his data. It would have ahigh chance of taking out his business. Each tape had the accumulated data of 10 years on it. He bought the drive.
The problem with WWII was that one of the partners that defeated "the clear enemy", the Soviet Union, was even more clearly in the wrong.
The Communist Party of the Soviet Union was responsible for more deaths during its reign than the NSDAP.
WWII was basically a titanic showdown between TWO evil regimes where the west got involved and won because they funded a very dubious partner.
Most of the fighting that led to the downfall of the Third Reich happened on the Eastern Front. Hitler committed a third of his army in the west and fought there 1 year and 2 months after D-Day. The fight in the East lasted 4 years. The USSR suffered 20 million casualties, the US about 400000. There is an order of magnitude of a difference here.
The USSR survived the first onslaught of the Germans in 1941 to some extent because the US rushed in a lot of supplies. They fought with US trucks, cars, ammo and US industrial might and expertise to build stuff. And used that same expertise to hold a much heavier hand on their own population than the NSDAP ever did.
There is a lot more moral ambivalence about that war than meets the eye.
Odersky's work on Scala goes back quite a few years, so its not like Scala is a fly by night operation.
He did not call it Scala back then but designing a FPish language on the JVM is something he has been doing for quite a while. Some of the older work they did formed the basis of Java Generics and that was done back in 1997, when Java was only 3 years old.
Ruby was used in Japan for many years before becoming more widely known in the West (at a time the main webpage was in Japanese). Ruby is OLDER than Python and about as old as PHP and Java.
Ruby was stagnating though, version 1.8, the current common one, was released quite a few years ago.
Personally, I have been using it as a Perl/Pythong general shell scripting language since about 2000.
Have you even seen Monowall? To quote from its website:
m0n0wall is probably the first UNIX system that has its boot-time configuration done with PHP, rather than the usual shell scripts, and that has the entire system configuration stored in XML format.
I once had to format a disk and ran dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda where sda was my root disk and the machine kept on chugging for a while before suddenly rebooting. It did run for a while though.
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Lets put the word "stronger" into some perspective.
When you have a magnet and hold it over a nail the magnet pulls the nail up with electromagnetic forces and the earth
pulls the nail down with gravity. That small magnet, the size of a coin, counteracts the gravity field of the WHOLE EARTH.
Electromagnetism is WAAAAAAAY stronger than gravity. That is why it does not really matter.
You do not see people or objects in attracting each other with gravity either, the only field that matter close to earth
is the field of earth itself. This is because the gravity file of normal objects is very very weak.
Linux does not have a shot at the desktop and never will. That is some /. nerd fantasy.
I fully agree with you, but Apple should continue to support and sell FCP7 for people who want to keep on using it. Microsoft sold XP while Vista was already out. And supported it well into the long term future.
The problem with quite a few /.ers here is a disconnect with the idea of a process. In most pro industries, people follow productions pipelines. That involves buying or reducing as may be licenses for a product as work comes and goes. And the fact that Apple now all of a sudden from point A to B stopped supporting or selling or licensing FCP7 is the issue. Also, companies have to think of middle to long-term upgrade paths for their tools, workstations. They have to think about training, about upgrading or replacing workstations and a lot of other things. Apple's sudden jump makes that sort of planning rather difficult.
You have any link on that RMS Titanic paper?
This is definitely better than Amazon's backup plan. It backs up data and LITERALLY screws you. Amazon just screws you.
Don't worry Gaius, soon you will meet and be part of the church of nymphos. An none of them are Cylon
If they release this at Microsoft all of theirs machines will pull a Jim Jones and drink the cool-aid in a mass self-format
Jesus, I am surprised the editors did not wipe out his /. account right there.
Programming is not easy.
True, the basic steps of a programming language are easy, but the complexity does NOT arise from that. The complexity is emergent, arising from many interactions between the easy steps.
I have built a wall once. It is easy. I took a brink, put it down, took some cement and put it n and so on. The wall is OK. Extending this to build a house might be sort-of viable, but as soon as you hit two stories you are dealing with extra structural support during the construction phase and so on. Wo while the individual steps are easy it is not easy to build a large house, never mind the Empire State Building.
Anyone can write a small script or a webpage. Writing a complete application is entirely another thing, regardless of the development ease of the individual parts.
Why do you think that an AI would not be corrupt?
In fact, why do you think that an AI would not be criminal or altruistic or jealous or power hungry or depressed or any of the things that humans do. Perhaps all of this is part of being intelligent, just like deadly viruses and a kill rate in the zillions of organisms per hour makes mother nature work?
> It's different because religious zealots are more likely to be suicidal
They believe in an eternal afterlife, which means suicide brings you to your 72 virgins and happiness everlasting. That is the difference. They are not more suicidal, the consequences are just not quite the same.
>As evil as the Soviets were,
Marxism is a secular religion.
Holy prophets? Check.
Prophets have beards? Check.
A holy book? Check
A promise of nirvana? Check.
Belief that the infidel needs to be tamed or brought into the fold? Check.
Supressing of the non-believers? Check.
Missionary Zeal? Check.
Lots of schisms? Check.
All the classic signs that you are dealing with a religion, right there.
No good to have them with nukes either.
> However, Christianity does not have a significant history of suicidal martyrdom (at least not intentional).
Neither does Shi'a Islam, really
No, we in Germany are reaping the fruits of that ethic.
If had modpoints....
Tapes are cheaper than disks. The tape DRIVE is not. It is that one time initial investment that is a bit prohibitive, for small users at least. There is a break even point but it is out of reach for many individuals and small businesses. However, I agree backups are like fire insurance, peole scoff at it until the house burns down. My dad (small business, a mom-and-pop drugstore/pharmacy) was once bitching about the schlep and costs of making backups to disks from a Xenix system (which he was using until 2007...). He blankly refused to buy a tape drive. Then I pointed out to him the costs of a total loss of all his data. It would have ahigh chance of taking out his business. Each tape had the accumulated data of 10 years on it. He bought the drive.
"Blender" and "Moon Rocket" are two words which do not belong in the same sentence. You are joking, right?
The problem with WWII was that one of the partners that defeated "the clear enemy", the Soviet Union, was even more clearly in the wrong.
The Communist Party of the Soviet Union was responsible for more deaths during its reign than the NSDAP.
WWII was basically a titanic showdown between TWO evil regimes where the west got involved and won because they funded a very dubious partner.
Most of the fighting that led to the downfall of the Third Reich happened on the Eastern Front. Hitler committed a third of his army in the west and fought there 1 year and 2 months after D-Day. The fight in the East lasted 4 years. The USSR suffered 20 million casualties, the US about 400000. There is an order of magnitude of a difference here.
The USSR survived the first onslaught of the Germans in 1941 to some extent because the US rushed in a lot of supplies. They fought with US trucks, cars, ammo and US industrial might and expertise to build stuff. And used that same expertise to hold a much heavier hand on their own population than the NSDAP ever did.
There is a lot more moral ambivalence about that war than meets the eye.
Hey! I live in Basel. Nice town. Keep the mobs out!
Odersky's work on Scala goes back quite a few years, so its not like Scala is a fly by night operation.
He did not call it Scala back then but designing a FPish language on the JVM is something he has been doing for quite a while. Some of the older work they did formed the basis of Java Generics and that was done back in 1997, when Java was only 3 years old.
http://people.epfl.ch/martin.odersky
Ruby was used in Japan for many years before becoming more widely known in the West (at a time the main webpage was in Japanese). Ruby is OLDER than Python and about as old as PHP and Java.
Ruby was stagnating though, version 1.8, the current common one, was released quite a few years ago.
Personally, I have been using it as a Perl/Pythong general shell scripting language since about 2000.
>Most boomers weren't Abbie Hoffman
Thank God for that!
Well, in the old times people had a lot of children as a retirement policy. Looks like you just struck gold there pop!
Have you even seen Monowall? To quote from its website:
m0n0wall is probably the first UNIX system that has its boot-time configuration done with PHP, rather than the usual shell scripts, and that has the entire system configuration stored in XML format.
Monowal is actually rather nice.
You ever see Stallman live? I have. He is one weird individual.
Actually, the thing I remember from the Stallman show was that I realized what Jesus must have been like. And look what that brought us.
I once had to format a disk and ran dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda where sda was my root disk and the machine kept on chugging for a while before suddenly rebooting. It did run for a while though.
Why don't you teach him a lesson and type in rm -rf / right now?
No better way to learn about security than to deal with a real serious attack,!
Uuhhh du -sh * does the same thing?