Yes I have, actually. And if more people listened to him & voted for him, the US would be in a MUCH better long-term position.
And if they did powderize it, they're most likely to kill themselves rather than anyone else. Once dispersed, there wouldn't be sufficient quantities in the air for someone to get cancer from.
You misunderstand how cancer forms. It only takes ONE strand of DNA to be damaged by ONE alpha particle and you have cancer. Most radiation passes right through the body without colliding with anything ( matter is mostly 'empty' space ). It is a very rare occasion indeed when an alpha particle will actually hit something. When it does, however, you are in trouble, ie you have cancer. Whether it develops further or is killed off by your immune system ( or simply dies ) is anyone's guess after that. But it is a myth that you require a certain amount of radiation for it to be dangerous. ANY amount is dangerous. Bigger amounts are more dangerous. So it is quite arbitrary where you draw the line and say "this much is safe, and this much is dangerous".
Remove the profit motive, and you remove the corporations, companies, and businesses of every size. No businesses means everything is run by the government. For reference, see communism, a failed ethos espoused only by academics that have little or no real world experience.
Ha! Don't think so.
Firstly, I'm not advocating shutting down any businesses. I'm simply saying that they have to follow rules. You know rules, right? Well corporations should have them to... and they do... but not enough of them.
Secondly, your cheap shot at socialism doesn't make it any less relevent. Why exactly has it failed? Oh... you're talking about USSR and Chine, right? They're both examples of state-run capitalism, which is very different from socialism. For an example of socialism, have a read about Venusuala. Even Spain is heading in the right direction these days.
The first world is where it is today because it got itself organised faster than anyone else, and worked hard enough to ensure that they stayed that way.
Not really. The western world got where they are by invading, stealing, oppressing and deal-cutting with ruthless dictators ( remember Saddam? ). And anyway you're missing my point. It's YOUR lack of rules that is encouraging companies to ignore labour in developed countries in favour of cheaper labour in 3rd world countries.
I'm not advocating looting the poor for the benefit of the rich, but its a savagely competitive world, and if you try to enforce a single wage level, within 10 years the only businesses left in the US will be mom and pop corner stores.
Actually, your ARE advocating looting the poor for the benefit of the rich. That's exactly what you mean when you say "we owe them nothing". And I fail to see what the problem is with enforcing a minimum wage. The US has a record balance of payments defecit... you surely aren't saying that you're riding on the back of your exports, are you? Closing your doors to international trade might be just what the country needs to stop the soaring debt and let people pay for things they bought 20 years ago. Yes this last bit is sarcastic and not particularly realistic. But think about it anyway.
Back to a minimum wage... seriously. You simply have to make a choice. Either:
- big business continue to exploit 3rd world labour, exporting all your jobs overseas and causing massive unemployment, or - a minimum wage is enforced and profit margins decrease for big business. You may even get the situation where businesses can't export to some countries because they're being undercut by people who employ slave labour. The correct thing to do ( and I know Yanks are always raving on about how 'correct' they are about everything ) is to pressure other countries to also enforce a minimum wage ( and the US has an impressive arrays of 'motivational tactics' ).
If people go in, guns blazing, looking for a cheap buck and not considering the issues, then yes, they will get burned, and go crying back to Microsoft.
In one of the examples, they said that the system was brought down because there was a hard-coded limit on the number of purchases you could make in 1 transaction. I fail to see what this has to do with Linux. I would be blaming the idiots who designed the site this way... the ones who told you they could program and then produced this sort of crap.
It's unfortunate that these idiots' stories will be the ones picked up my Microsoft & Sun in their battle against Linux. Hopefully the rest of the world have the sense to spot the fools amongst the professionals.
Yes I know, but it's the video card that does the scaling.
See my previous post re: the onboard i830. Dell would have known that their choice of cheap parts, when combined into one cheap-arse system, would be absolute crap. And they sold it at *twice* what I needed to build a system which would have been 30% faster, and with 17i LCDs that *rock* instead of 15i LCDs that *suck*.
I agree that companies are out for one thing... profit. My point is that society as a whole must realise this, and put limits on corporate activity when it goes against our stated objectives. For example a country can introduce a law that states that ALL goods and services must be produced according to a certain standard of labour conditions. Then anyone wanting to do business in the country - whether their product is produced insode the country or not - must meet these standards, or simply be banned from trading.
The argument against this always goes off-track in saying that this will increase the costs of production. Yes it will increase the cost of production slightly, but THIS IS THE COST THAT WE MUST FACE TO ENSURE PEOPLE ARE EMPLOYED UNDER FAIR CONDITIONS. It is also the cost that we must fact to ensure that our own labour, which HAS ALREADY EXCEEDED THE STANDARD OF LIVING IN 3RD WORLD COUNTRIES can 'compete' with people in other countries. Otherwise what you get ( and the US is headed this way FAST ) is a working class comprising 85% of the population who can't get employment because the companies are more interested in chasing profits ( or competing in the international market, as they like to call it ) to pay their own people a decent wage.
Summary: enforce a minimum wage policy or have your jobs exported to a place that doesn't have a minimum wage policy.
We had Dell systems thrust upon us, and while each individual part of the systems such badly, the monitors certainly take the cake for being the biggest piles of shit I've ever seen.
We've got 15i LCDs. They only display human-readable output at their maximum resolution of 1024x768. Anything else and there is horrible blur and shadows and crap. After some investigating I found that this is partly due to the onboard i830 video cards that also suck arse ( being unable to scale the signal reasonably for the LCD ), but also due to the fact that the LCD is a cheap POS.
Luckily for me, I have the only non-Dell LCD in the office, a Benq FP767, and it's so far ahead of the Dells it's not funny. What is funny, though, is that the Benq was the cheapest available LCD. I don't know where Dell get their LCDs from, but I'd say it would be rejects from a Taiwanese factory that went out of business 3 years ago... much the same as the rest of the parts that Dell aquires and flogs to us as 'new' technology.
I don't think the average worker has anything to take 'resoponsabiltiy' for, as you so elloquently put it.
It's bastards like that current US administration, who's family and buddies are making billions of dollars on weapons sales and oil deals and such.
It is a complete myth that unions are wrecking the economy. Pure greed makes companies turn to the lowest cost of production, and it won't be until the people decide that they want to force their companies to only buy labour at a nationally agreed 'fair price' - no matter what country the labour comes - that this myth will be fully exposed.
ATI's drivers are, without a doubt, the WORST quality party of my Linux system. They are SOOOOOOOOOOOO bad. Honestly. The latest drivers are a decent step backwards - there are now horrible rendering bugs in most apps. And of course since it's an R350, the DRI drivers don't support it ( yet, but work is progressing to reverse-engineer it ).
But for people who want a video card for running anything 3D under Linux, you really only have 1 option: nVidia. If you choose ATI, you WILL be sorry.
Not pay themselves, no. Invest the money back into the environment. You remember the environment, right? The organisation of life that gives us all the opportunity to live? The one thing we need to maintain life on the planet...
Environmental Impact Statements allow you to assess in multiple ways ( ie environmental AND monetary ) the amount of devastation caused, and therefore the amount of corrective action ( again, environmental AND monetary ) that will be required.
It's really quite simple. You screw things up, you fix them.
I'd start with three independant environmental impact statements, and follow up with fining the responsible parties $US 1 billion each ( all individuals and organisations involved ) plus making them cover the full costs of repairing the damage done ( taken from the environmental impact statements ).
Even ignoring the environmental damage done, right-wing appologists can't ignore the fact that this thing was sitting in the ocean, waiting for the next would-be terrorist to come and collect it in their row-boat and use it in their next attack on Uncle Sam ( God forbid ).
'Gross professional negligence' doesn't do this justice.
I like the way he stokes people's fears over the SCO suite by referring to the whole issue merely as 'indemnification'. Like they're not the ones responsible for the inferred threat to start with.
I can't stand slimey bastards that use indirect references to things to be 'terrified' of, whether it's a Microsoft employee or the neo-conservative basket cases running the show in the US at the moment. How about talking about the real issues, both of you!
I was actually just thinking about this sort of thing the other day... with a Gentoo slant of course.
I'd just set up hotplug, which I'm now using for a number of reasons, my Alcatel USB ADSL modem, Canon Digital Camera, USB MP3 player, etc. It dawned on me that these devices are supposed to have unique identifer codes, and that it would be great if *someone* would keep a centralised database of codes against software / config changes. Then I thought a device being added could trigger an 'emerge' process on my Gentoo box and an 'etc-update' to merge in the config file changes.
Of course there are a lot of missing pieces in my ideas. But anyway, I agree with the general idea. Good on 'em!
When I read the slashdot blurb, I immediately assumed it would be an American group, and was ready to write a "yet again Americans demonstrate their complete lack of respect for life".
But wait! This is a British idea. Well that would have been my second guess anyway.
I like the name they chose too: 'EcoBot'. Nothing could be less appropriate.
Instead of making machines that kill animals to fuel themselves in the absense of oil while they clean up yet another distaster ( military or otherwise toxic areas are listed ), why not STOP CREATING THE DISTASTERS IN THE FIRST PLACE? And if you find yourself in the position where some *other* socially-backward group has created the distaster, how about respecting what life is left in the area and using a more responsible food source?
WTF is the world coming to anyway? I can see the Israelis running with this one:
No they're not humans. They're two-legged dogs. And if they happen to wander past our EcoBots and get converted to energy for our tanks, well we surely can't be blamed. They shouldn't have been defending their homes so close to our tanks anyway.
Congratulations. That's just the attitude that's keeping Linux off the corporate desktop in a big way.
It didn't keep it off our desktops. In fact I would argue the opposite. With Windows 2000 and Windows XP having been out for years, and Longhorn just around the corner, no-one is going to start a Linux rollout with a desktop full of gtk 1.x apps. Memory-efficient as gtk 1.x might be, it looks like barf compared to Windows. If you want to sell your Linux solution to people who are also aware of the Microsoft alternative ( and I think we're talking about most people here ), you have to be able to show them something that looks like it was written this century. You also have to be able to assure them that it's under active development and will be support down the track. If you can point me to ONE corporate Linux migration using gtk 1.x, I will eat my words. It's just not happening.
Heavens above. There are MASSES of boxes out there with 32, 64 and (rarer) 128M RAM in. Millions and millions in businesses around the world. And yet they can't run Linux, because if you try to run KDE/GNOME, OOo and Mozilla at the same time on them, they're crushingly slow.
I haven't seen any, and if there were any left, I'd be betting things are starting to break down on them. The hard disks for example - you can't tell me that an IDE disk from what... 5 years ago... is still running reliably. None of ours here lasted that long, and we had a wide variety of disks from a wide variety of retailers.
If people must use 32MB computers ( and I'll assume that they have a 200Mhz processor or less in them ) then they can run gnome 1.x and gtk 1.x applications. There are plenty of them. The original poster was complaining about running apps like the Gimp, which since version 2 requires gtk 2.x ( shock, horror ). He misses the point that he's not required to use version 2, and also that anyone running the Gimp really should be thinking about upgrading their computer if they've only got 32 MB. But if they refuse, version 1.x of the Gimp is *plenty* good enough for them.
I still don't see the problem here. If enough people want apps built around lightweight widget toolkits of yesteryear then they can damned-well make them. The majority of us will not think twice about installing gtk 2.x and apps written for it, and won't be particularly concerned when we hear our apps won't run at a respectable pace on a 32MB machine. You can only just barely get Windows NT 4.0 running on a 32MB machine. People running 32MB machines are no doubt running Windows 9x or earlier, and if they move to Linux they should install be pleasantly surprised with Gnome 1.x. They will, however, be absolutely horrified with OpenOffice, so I don't see the relevance of complaining about gtk 2.x when they can't even get an office suite running.
FYI, I do real-time programming and I port the Linux kernel on embedded processors. You've probably already seen my name out there on the net, but of course this is/. and I'm not going to tell you who I am.
Sure you are. And I'm the Emperor of NASA. In my spare time I work on 3 programs at once, with each hand using a different keyboard, and my nose typing on the third keyboard that is being held above the ground with my levitation skills.
For example, I don't give a rat's ass about Gnome. I think Gnome, as an environment, is as ugly as it gets. But I need to use GIMP and Gnomeeting. There's no Qt/kde equivalent: what do I do? do without them? of course not, and you know it full well.
GTK is good enough for everyone else. If you don't like it, stop hacking the Linux kernel and port the Gimp to your own widget toolkit that fits inside 640kb. You are just going to have to deal with applications using memory, and you know it full well.
Tell me, is computing all a matter of how much it costs to you? or "just get xxx more of yyy and you're set"? how about engineering elegance? how about not wasting when you don't need to?
Fine. Go sit in the corner and flog yourself over your own widget toolkit that fits inside 640kb and let everybody get on with their computing. How about getting with the times dude. 256MB in the minimum on new PCs. Anyone geeky enough to be running Linux should have at least twice that - minimum.
You seem to have a problem with what the rest of us call 'progress'. Memory requirements increase. Deal with it. I'm not sanctioning the need for PCs running any more than 256MB, which is dirt-cheap these days, and ( as I've already pointed out ) is the minimum you can get a PC with these days. I'm just saying that the problem you're describing doesn't exist with hardware that is even 3 years old. And *someone* has to be working on software for today's and tomorrow's computers.
Your attempt to come across as mature with your "concept of the past" and "how about engineering elegance" bullshit - in light of the few MBs we're talking about here - just shows how out of touch with reality you really are. Did you know that the Enlightenment Foundation Libraries have been ported to devices such as the Sharp Zaurus? Memory efficiency is certainly at the top of their list of requirements to get the libraries and applications running with respectable performance. Perhaps you should research a little more before you go karma-whoring for gullible moderators that have a soft spot for hacker-wannabes.
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Cheap troll, but I'm bored.
Don't like EFL / Enlightenment? Don't use it. That is the power of open source. Your bitching about inefficient memory usage when you probably haven't written a single line of code in your life should not and does not affect the ability of others to write and use code that you don't approve of. That is the power of ope source.
If you took the time to see what the E team had been up to, you'd see that their approach is the way of the future - they are pushing the boundaries for the good of everyone else. Imlib-1, which Enlightenment-0.16.x was based on was also the basis for Gnome-1.x image rendering. Similarly, Imlib-2 and EVAS will be the basis of more powerful desktop systems down the road.
Anyway, when you leave school and go on social security, you will be able to afford another 64MB stick and all your memory problems will be a thing of the past.
I've been using reiser4 for quite some time here at work. I'm booting from a 'redeeman' boot disk ( Gentoo hacker ) and then installing Gentoo unstable onto our work PCs:)
It rocks. Very, very fast. Whereas an:
emerge -up --deep system
would have taken about 20 seconds to run under reiser3, it takes about 5 seconds under reiser4. Very impressive.
I haven't had any stability issues with it. There were ( last time I checked ) 2 outstanding bugs - one nfs ( files on server with reiser4 ) bug, and one strange bug that made adn OpenOffice compile fail miserably. Bug (1) doesn't affect us, as our nfs server is running reiser3, and bug (2) I got around by creating a reiser3 partition, mounting/var/tmp/portage on it, emerging OpenOffice, and building a package of it for all the other PCs.
But those civilians who died in the initial campaign... might it have been reasonable to think that that action, which resulted in Saddam's removal, could/should have resulted in fewer Iraqi's being killed or tortured for holding different religious beliefs or views on the government?
No, for a number of reasons.
Firstly, we were sold the war on the Weapons of Mass Destruction (tm) lie. Removing someone from power because of the way they treat people under their rule has never been a valid reason for invading a country. What the invasion of Iraqis called in legal terms is a war crime. That's what a number of Germans in the military and Nazi party were charged with - for starting an unprovoked and illegal war of aggression.
Secondly, the US has no interest in the rights of individuals, either their own or anyone else's. Heard of Guantanamo Bay? How about Abu Grhaib prison? Reports are coming in from everywhere that everyone, from the new recruits to President Dubya himself new and sanctioned the methods being used, and the notion of a person being held beyond any legal jurisdiction. If you think the invasion of Iraq was about 'liberating' the Iraqi people then you are extremely misguided. It was about money and power - the same as all wars the US begins... and they begin a LOT. Over the last 100 years they've averaged more than 1 per year 'military intervention'. Not wars by standard definition, but the fighting is just as real, the chemical weapons, depleted uranium ammunition and land mines are just as devastating, and the spoils of war go to the same places.
Thirdly, the fact that Saddam happens to have been removed from power ( illegally ) has not improved the situation for the Iraqi people. In fact it has made things worse. Tens of thousands are dead. Hundreds of thousands are wounded. I don't have any figures on those being held in limbo in prison for their political views, but the social effect would no doubt be incredible. But the icing on the cake is that fact that so-called Prime Minister Allawi is in fact just as bad as Saddam, if not worse. It is common knowledge that he was a hitman under Saddam. Accusations are flying in every direction about him overseeing extra-judicial killings of policial opponents in Iraq since he has been brought to power, and under the direct supervision of the US army. Link 1 and Link 2. Do you see what sort of democracy the US has brought to Iraq? Do you see what people are actually fighting against?
We don't blame "Iraqis" for Muqtada's actions. We blame Muqtada and those who do his dirty work.
'His dirty work'? One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. The only thing I've heard come out of Muqtada's mouth has been anti-US sentiment and pro-Iraqi sentiment. On that basis, I have to support him and his followers ahead of the US and their newly appointed Saddam, Prime Minister Allawi.
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Yes I have, actually. And if more people listened to him & voted for him, the US would be in a MUCH better long-term position.
You misunderstand how cancer forms. It only takes ONE strand of DNA to be damaged by ONE alpha particle and you have cancer. Most radiation passes right through the body without colliding with anything ( matter is mostly 'empty' space ). It is a very rare occasion indeed when an alpha particle will actually hit something. When it does, however, you are in trouble, ie you have cancer. Whether it develops further or is killed off by your immune system ( or simply dies ) is anyone's guess after that. But it is a myth that you require a certain amount of radiation for it to be dangerous. ANY amount is dangerous. Bigger amounts are more dangerous. So it is quite arbitrary where you draw the line and say "this much is safe, and this much is dangerous".
Ha! Don't think so.
Firstly, I'm not advocating shutting down any businesses. I'm simply saying that they have to follow rules. You know rules, right? Well corporations should have them to
Secondly, your cheap shot at socialism doesn't make it any less relevent. Why exactly has it failed? Oh
Not really. The western world got where they are by invading, stealing, oppressing and deal-cutting with ruthless dictators ( remember Saddam? ). And anyway you're missing my point. It's YOUR lack of rules that is encouraging companies to ignore labour in developed countries in favour of cheaper labour in 3rd world countries.
Actually, your ARE advocating looting the poor for the benefit of the rich. That's exactly what you mean when you say "we owe them nothing". And I fail to see what the problem is with enforcing a minimum wage. The US has a record balance of payments defecit
Back to a minimum wage
- big business continue to exploit 3rd world labour, exporting all your jobs overseas and causing massive unemployment, or
- a minimum wage is enforced and profit margins decrease for big business. You may even get the situation where businesses can't export to some countries because they're being undercut by people who employ slave labour. The correct thing to do ( and I know Yanks are always raving on about how 'correct' they are about everything ) is to pressure other countries to also enforce a minimum wage ( and the US has an impressive arrays of 'motivational tactics' ).
If people go in, guns blazing, looking for a cheap buck and not considering the issues, then yes, they will get burned, and go crying back to Microsoft.
... the ones who told you they could program and then produced this sort of crap.
In one of the examples, they said that the system was brought down because there was a hard-coded limit on the number of purchases you could make in 1 transaction. I fail to see what this has to do with Linux. I would be blaming the idiots who designed the site this way
It's unfortunate that these idiots' stories will be the ones picked up my Microsoft & Sun in their battle against Linux. Hopefully the rest of the world have the sense to spot the fools amongst the professionals.
Yes I know, but it's the video card that does the scaling.
See my previous post re: the onboard i830. Dell would have known that their choice of cheap parts, when combined into one cheap-arse system, would be absolute crap. And they sold it at *twice* what I needed to build a system which would have been 30% faster, and with 17i LCDs that *rock* instead of 15i LCDs that *suck*.
I inherited a LOT of MS Access forms that were all designed for 800x600.
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It's not my fault, I swear to God
You're conveniently ignoring my argument.
... profit. My point is that society as a whole must realise this, and put limits on corporate activity when it goes against our stated objectives. For example a country can introduce a law that states that ALL goods and services must be produced according to a certain standard of labour conditions. Then anyone wanting to do business in the country - whether their product is produced insode the country or not - must meet these standards, or simply be banned from trading.
I agree that companies are out for one thing
The argument against this always goes off-track in saying that this will increase the costs of production. Yes it will increase the cost of production slightly, but THIS IS THE COST THAT WE MUST FACE TO ENSURE PEOPLE ARE EMPLOYED UNDER FAIR CONDITIONS. It is also the cost that we must fact to ensure that our own labour, which HAS ALREADY EXCEEDED THE STANDARD OF LIVING IN 3RD WORLD COUNTRIES can 'compete' with people in other countries. Otherwise what you get ( and the US is headed this way FAST ) is a working class comprising 85% of the population who can't get employment because the companies are more interested in chasing profits ( or competing in the international market, as they like to call it ) to pay their own people a decent wage.
Summary: enforce a minimum wage policy or have your jobs exported to a place that doesn't have a minimum wage policy.
I have to agree.
... much the same as the rest of the parts that Dell aquires and flogs to us as 'new' technology.
We had Dell systems thrust upon us, and while each individual part of the systems such badly, the monitors certainly take the cake for being the biggest piles of shit I've ever seen.
We've got 15i LCDs. They only display human-readable output at their maximum resolution of 1024x768. Anything else and there is horrible blur and shadows and crap. After some investigating I found that this is partly due to the onboard i830 video cards that also suck arse ( being unable to scale the signal reasonably for the LCD ), but also due to the fact that the LCD is a cheap POS.
Luckily for me, I have the only non-Dell LCD in the office, a Benq FP767, and it's so far ahead of the Dells it's not funny. What is funny, though, is that the Benq was the cheapest available LCD. I don't know where Dell get their LCDs from, but I'd say it would be rejects from a Taiwanese factory that went out of business 3 years ago
I don't think the average worker has anything to take 'resoponsabiltiy' for, as you so elloquently put it.
It's bastards like that current US administration, who's family and buddies are making billions of dollars on weapons sales and oil deals and such.
It is a complete myth that unions are wrecking the economy. Pure greed makes companies turn to the lowest cost of production, and it won't be until the people decide that they want to force their companies to only buy labour at a nationally agreed 'fair price' - no matter what country the labour comes - that this myth will be fully exposed.
ATI's drivers are, without a doubt, the WORST quality party of my Linux system. They are SOOOOOOOOOOOO bad. Honestly. The latest drivers are a decent step backwards - there are now horrible rendering bugs in most apps. And of course since it's an R350, the DRI drivers don't support it ( yet, but work is progressing to reverse-engineer it ).
But for people who want a video card for running anything 3D under Linux, you really only have 1 option: nVidia. If you choose ATI, you WILL be sorry.
Are there any search engines that take a more ethically defensible stance than google? ie if I decide to boycott google, where should I head?
Not pay themselves, no. Invest the money back into the environment. You remember the environment, right? The organisation of life that gives us all the opportunity to live? The one thing we need to maintain life on the planet...
Environmental Impact Statements allow you to assess in multiple ways ( ie environmental AND monetary ) the amount of devastation caused, and therefore the amount of corrective action ( again, environmental AND monetary ) that will be required.
It's really quite simple. You screw things up, you fix them.
I'd start with three independant environmental impact statements, and follow up with fining the responsible parties $US 1 billion each ( all individuals and organisations involved ) plus making them cover the full costs of repairing the damage done ( taken from the environmental impact statements ).
Even ignoring the environmental damage done, right-wing appologists can't ignore the fact that this thing was sitting in the ocean, waiting for the next would-be terrorist to come and collect it in their row-boat and use it in their next attack on Uncle Sam ( God forbid ).
'Gross professional negligence' doesn't do this justice.
I like the way he stokes people's fears over the SCO suite by referring to the whole issue merely as 'indemnification'. Like they're not the ones responsible for the inferred threat to start with.
I can't stand slimey bastards that use indirect references to things to be 'terrified' of, whether it's a Microsoft employee or the neo-conservative basket cases running the show in the US at the moment. How about talking about the real issues, both of you!
I was actually just thinking about this sort of thing the other day ... with a Gentoo slant of course.
I'd just set up hotplug, which I'm now using for a number of reasons, my Alcatel USB ADSL modem, Canon Digital Camera, USB MP3 player, etc. It dawned on me that these devices are supposed to have unique identifer codes, and that it would be great if *someone* would keep a centralised database of codes against software / config changes. Then I thought a device being added could trigger an 'emerge' process on my Gentoo box and an 'etc-update' to merge in the config file changes.
Of course there are a lot of missing pieces in my ideas. But anyway, I agree with the general idea. Good on 'em!
But wait! This is a British idea. Well that would have been my second guess anyway.
I like the name they chose too: 'EcoBot'. Nothing could be less appropriate.
Instead of making machines that kill animals to fuel themselves in the absense of oil while they clean up yet another distaster ( military or otherwise toxic areas are listed ), why not STOP CREATING THE DISTASTERS IN THE FIRST PLACE? And if you find yourself in the position where some *other* socially-backward group has created the distaster, how about respecting what life is left in the area and using a more responsible food source?
WTF is the world coming to anyway? I can see the Israelis running with this one:
Exactly what I was thinking.
What sort of a 'free' world is the US pushing where it's illegal to look at your own planet from space?
Looks like George Orwell was only off by 20 years.
Yuck!
What sort of a shop are you running anyway, a sweat shop?
You're only going to be able to keep the mundane workers with that attitude. Anyone with any spark in them will be gone yesterday.
Right.
That fucking arsehole has gone far enough.
Truth overboard.
Weapons of mass destruction.
Camp David is cool.
No GST ever.
Who wants to help me run our own anti-Howard election campaign?
Apparently it's legal to spam people if it's for political purposes!!!
I've got the actually emailing covered. I just need addresses. Who knows where I can get LOTS of addresses of Australians?
It didn't keep it off our desktops. In fact I would argue the opposite. With Windows 2000 and Windows XP having been out for years, and Longhorn just around the corner, no-one is going to start a Linux rollout with a desktop full of gtk 1.x apps. Memory-efficient as gtk 1.x might be, it looks like barf compared to Windows. If you want to sell your Linux solution to people who are also aware of the Microsoft alternative ( and I think we're talking about most people here ), you have to be able to show them something that looks like it was written this century. You also have to be able to assure them that it's under active development and will be support down the track. If you can point me to ONE corporate Linux migration using gtk 1.x, I will eat my words. It's just not happening.
I haven't seen any, and if there were any left, I'd be betting things are starting to break down on them. The hard disks for example - you can't tell me that an IDE disk from what
If people must use 32MB computers ( and I'll assume that they have a 200Mhz processor or less in them ) then they can run gnome 1.x and gtk 1.x applications. There are plenty of them. The original poster was complaining about running apps like the Gimp, which since version 2 requires gtk 2.x ( shock, horror ). He misses the point that he's not required to use version 2, and also that anyone running the Gimp really should be thinking about upgrading their computer if they've only got 32 MB. But if they refuse, version 1.x of the Gimp is *plenty* good enough for them.
I still don't see the problem here. If enough people want apps built around lightweight widget toolkits of yesteryear then they can damned-well make them. The majority of us will not think twice about installing gtk 2.x and apps written for it, and won't be particularly concerned when we hear our apps won't run at a respectable pace on a 32MB machine. You can only just barely get Windows NT 4.0 running on a 32MB machine. People running 32MB machines are no doubt running Windows 9x or earlier, and if they move to Linux they should install be pleasantly surprised with Gnome 1.x. They will, however, be absolutely horrified with OpenOffice, so I don't see the relevance of complaining about gtk 2.x when they can't even get an office suite running.
Sure you are. And I'm the Emperor of NASA. In my spare time I work on 3 programs at once, with each hand using a different keyboard, and my nose typing on the third keyboard that is being held above the ground with my levitation skills.
GTK is good enough for everyone else. If you don't like it, stop hacking the Linux kernel and port the Gimp to your own widget toolkit that fits inside 640kb. You are just going to have to deal with applications using memory, and you know it full well.
Fine. Go sit in the corner and flog yourself over your own widget toolkit that fits inside 640kb and let everybody get on with their computing. How about getting with the times dude. 256MB in the minimum on new PCs. Anyone geeky enough to be running Linux should have at least twice that - minimum.
You seem to have a problem with what the rest of us call 'progress'. Memory requirements increase. Deal with it. I'm not sanctioning the need for PCs running any more than 256MB, which is dirt-cheap these days, and ( as I've already pointed out ) is the minimum you can get a PC with these days. I'm just saying that the problem you're describing doesn't exist with hardware that is even 3 years old. And *someone* has to be working on software for today's and tomorrow's computers.
Your attempt to come across as mature with your "concept of the past" and "how about engineering elegance" bullshit - in light of the few MBs we're talking about here - just shows how out of touch with reality you really are. Did you know that the Enlightenment Foundation Libraries have been ported to devices such as the Sharp Zaurus? Memory efficiency is certainly at the top of their list of requirements to get the libraries and applications running with respectable performance. Perhaps you should research a little more before you go karma-whoring for gullible moderators that have a soft spot for hacker-wannabes.
Cheap troll, but I'm bored.
Don't like EFL / Enlightenment? Don't use it. That is the power of open source. Your bitching about inefficient memory usage when you probably haven't written a single line of code in your life should not and does not affect the ability of others to write and use code that you don't approve of. That is the power of ope source.
If you took the time to see what the E team had been up to, you'd see that their approach is the way of the future - they are pushing the boundaries for the good of everyone else. Imlib-1, which Enlightenment-0.16.x was based on was also the basis for Gnome-1.x image rendering. Similarly, Imlib-2 and EVAS will be the basis of more powerful desktop systems down the road.
Anyway, when you leave school and go on social security, you will be able to afford another 64MB stick and all your memory problems will be a thing of the past.
Yep.
As I just posted, I've been running it on a number of desktops here at work with no issues.
It ROCKS!
It rocks. Very, very fast. Whereas an:
would have taken about 20 seconds to run under reiser3, it takes about 5 seconds under reiser4. Very impressive.
I haven't had any stability issues with it. There were ( last time I checked ) 2 outstanding bugs - one nfs ( files on server with reiser4 ) bug, and one strange bug that made adn OpenOffice compile fail miserably. Bug (1) doesn't affect us, as our nfs server is running reiser3, and bug (2) I got around by creating a reiser3 partition, mounting
I just can't get over how fast it is.
No, for a number of reasons.
Firstly, we were sold the war on the Weapons of Mass Destruction (tm) lie. Removing someone from power because of the way they treat people under their rule has never been a valid reason for invading a country. What the invasion of Iraqis called in legal terms is a war crime . That's what a number of Germans in the military and Nazi party were charged with - for starting an unprovoked and illegal war of aggression
Secondly, the US has no interest in the rights of individuals, either their own or anyone else's. Heard of Guantanamo Bay? How about Abu Grhaib prison? Reports are coming in from everywhere that everyone, from the new recruits to President Dubya himself new and sanctioned the methods being used, and the notion of a person being held beyond any legal jurisdiction . If you think the invasion of Iraq was about 'liberating' the Iraqi people then you are extremely misguided. It was about money and power - the same as all wars the US begins
Thirdly, the fact that Saddam happens to have been removed from power ( illegally ) has not improved the situation for the Iraqi people. In fact it has made things worse. Tens of thousands are dead. Hundreds of thousands are wounded. I don't have any figures on those being held in limbo in prison for their political views, but the social effect would no doubt be incredible. But the icing on the cake is that fact that so-called Prime Minister Allawi is in fact just as bad as Saddam, if not worse. It is common knowledge that he was a hitman under Saddam. Accusations are flying in every direction about him overseeing extra-judicial killings of policial opponents in Iraq since he has been brought to power, and under the direct supervision of the US army . Link 1 and Link 2. Do you see what sort of democracy the US has brought to Iraq? Do you see what people are actually fighting against?
'His dirty work'? One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. The only thing I've heard come out of Muqtada's mouth has been anti-US sentiment and pro-Iraqi sentiment. On that basis, I have to support him and his followers ahead of the US and their newly appointed Saddam, Prime Minister Allawi.