First, the army goes in and smashes everything up.
Then, so-called 'entrepreneurs' enter the country ( only those with US security clearance, mind you ), and 'reconstruct' the place, many using US taxpayer money. Of course there are many crimes to this process, but one major one is that this prevents Iraqis from being able to pull themselves out of the hell they got bombed into, as all the development is by foreigners, and therefore all the profits are exported. All the materials come from outside the country - there is no stimulation for the local economy, and meanwhile unemployment sits at 80%.
These 'entrepreneurs' deserve to be blown to pieces by a roadside bomb. They should get out of the country and allow the Iraqis to rebuild, on their own terms, with their own labour, using their own materials, and creating their own assets.
Sure the US used two atomic bombs to finish the Second World War, but I consider that a responsible use of atomic bombs.
Then you are a racist, as the original poster. You are trying to claim that the US is more responsible with nuclear weapons, even though they are the only country to have ever used them in war. This position doesn't even require me to argue against it - it is fundamentally flawed in itself, and this flaw is obvious.
And don't waste my time with a BS claim that Iran somehow is more "trustworthy" when it comes to nuclear weapons. No one buys that.
I 'buy' this argument, and a whole lot of other people do too. The proof is in the count:
US: 2 nuclear strikes Iran: 0 nuclear strikes
Therefore the US is the more reckless. Not only that, they only claim to be. They have already stated that they consider it their right to use nuclear weapons to destroy a civilian nuclear power plant. This is the height of arrogance and recklessness. And you, being a supporter of US foreign policy, are far worse a racist religious fundamentalist than the people you are suggesting we attack.
The neighbouring states have done very little, yes, but look at the support that they have amongst ordinary people. Look at the solidarity that Hezbollah showed Palestinians in their recent conflict with Israel. Also on this point, keep in mind that Hezbollah is a Shiite organisation, and Palestine is mainly Sunni - this demonstrates that the bullshit propaganda we hear about sectarian violence in Iraq is mainly due to the tensions created by the US occupation ( if not black ops by the US / Israel from the start ).
Palestinians are not a race. Palestine was never a nation. Palestinians are Arabs.
You've just argued yourself into a corner there. You see, Israelis are not a race. Israel was never a nation. Israelis are Jews. You see the problem now? Let me explain further. 60 years ago, a bunch of violent religious fundamentalists... Zionists... brutally murdered millions of Palestinians, forcing many more millions out of their homes, and set up the racist, fundamentalist state of Israel. Now, if you're going to argue about who had a state and who didn't, then Israel was the last one to the party, so to speak.
And yes, in some cases the "aggressive" Arabs were just trying to defend their homes. But that's a far cry from attempted genocide.
What the fuck? Are you talking about the attempted genocide of the Palestinian people? Or are you trying to claim that the Palestinians are attempting to commit genocide against the Israelis? If you are, then you seriously need to get some perspective. The number of Palestinians killed by Israel outnumbers the number of Israelis killed by Palestinians by at least 10 to 1. It always has. It's always been an incredibly one-sided battle, due to the fact that the Israelis are given BILLIONS of dollars of weapons ( including chemical weapons ) by the US, and the Palestinians only have rocks ( and sure, sometimes some improvised bombs ).
Israel is a tiny landmass compared to the rest of the Middle East.
Palestine now only measures 10% of it's original size, thanks to Israel. What's your point?
There is simply no way that protecting its borders, or even creating its borders, could be seen as a genocide.
Sure it can. Genocide is genocide, pure and simple. Get some perspective and stop supporting state terrorism.
Except, of course, that making the Palestinians into some kind of martyrs makes Israel look particularly bad.
Israel does a fine job of looking fucking atrocious without any help from the Palestinians. Their actions only draw media attention to their plight, which, by the way, is one of the main reasons they do it. Have you ever stopped to consider things from their point of view? I guess not, otherwise your position would be untenable.
Why do none of the Arab nations do anything to help the refugees except by providing them with weapons and suicide training?
That's a good question. While it's good that they provide some kind of military support ( suicide training, as you so carelessly put it ), they really could do a lot more. Unfortunately the big players in the middle east have traditionally evaded the issue as much as possible. Egypt is an old ally of the US ( another example of the US supporting brutal dictators, by the way ). At least Iran is now making positive sounding noises about Israel, but I severely doubt whether they'd actually initiate an attack. It's far more in their interests to draw Israel into a long, drawn-out battle that Israel can't win... much the same way as Lebanon did recently. But we can only hope that someone will step up to the plate and challenge the vicious, racist fundamentalists in Israel.
Thousands? Don't you think that's exaggerating a bit?
The nuclear industry would consider this more of a leak than an exaggeration. And yes, thousands.
The paranoia about such things is probably justifiable, but classifying the following as a "nuclear accident" seems like quite a stretch.
Well the tendancy to consider these accidents varies in inverse-square proportion to your distance from the location of the incident. Rest assured that people, animals, plants etc anywhere near these accidents will certainly call them accidents, while the people who caused the accidents will not report them, and if they're found out later, they'll refer to them as 'mishaps', or 'momentary lapses of total physical containment' or some such bullshit. But they're accidents, and they deal with pretty much the most dangerous substance we've managed to make.
You're talking about "thousands of tons of water", these guys are talking about a "small amount of steam"
Sure. Now what, exactly, is a 'small' amount? Who measured it? And who says that this stuff doesn't happen all the time? It is particularly naive to think that while every other company pollutes to the maximum, that companies involved with radioactive waste will somehow transcend their primal urge to profit at all costs and actually do the right thing. They'll do what every other corporation does: maximize profit. If that necessarily includes some kind of half-arsed containment for their waste, then so be it, and if it leaks, then cover it up and hand some money to the EPA and politicians.
Well, let's start with hosting an international symposium on "The Holocaust myth is a vast historical conspiracy perpetrated by Jews who want everybody to feel sorry for them so they can take over the world without anyone noticing".
Oh Jesus fucking Christ, put away the violins PLEASE. There was slogan going around when the terrorist state of Israel was being created:
A land without people for a people without land
The Zionists were prepared to deny that the Palestinians even EXISTED to justify taking their country. The Palestinian Holocaust is far worse than the Jewish one. It's lasted for 60 years, and has been supported by practically the entire world. So if we're going to attack Holocaust deniers, let's start with the mother of all denials, shall we?
Maybe you should read up on Arafat's public declarations of what their goals are: "destroy Israel". Sound familiar?
Sure. So what? I say the same thing of Israel. Zionists say the same thing about Palestinians... and everyone else too, mind you... those Zionists really do hate EVERYONE. The thing is that some people are justified in what they say ( ie victims of brutality ), whereas others use spin to try to defend their murderous actions ( ie the perpetrators of the violence ).
Oh, if only someone would, that would solve a lot of the problems in the middle east. But getting back to reality, Iran has neither the weapons nor the intention of launching a nuclear strike on anyone, and especially not Israel, due to the fact that they'd have the favour return rather quickly. You see, it takes a brain to figure this sort of thing out, so pay attention while I explain things for you, or you'll have to wait until you meet someone else with some intelligence.
You need to wake up to what a nuclear equipped Iran means to the world.
You need to get over yourself, you redneck prick. A nuclear 'equipped' Iran is a far less dangerous prospect than a nuclear 'equipped' US or Israel.
After all, we'll all be breathing the dust that floats over from a nasty nuclear exchange between Iran and Israel.
If this actually happened, I would blame people like YOU first, for supporting Israel and their illegal nuclear arsenal for so long, and creating the problem.
6) While Israel has been in numerous wars, they've never initiated a war
It's sad that people actually believe this trash. Israel has ALWAYS been the aggressor, by virtue of the fact that they have sustained a brutal 60-year occupation of Palestine.
Keep in mind you're an arrogant, racist arsehole. It was the Americans who bombed not one, but TWO Japanese cities in WWII. No-one else has ever used nuclear weapons in war, therefore Iran is far more trustworthy than your decadent excuse for a civilisation with nuclear technology.
Keep in mind that the US has had nuclear weapons for six decades and has been pretty responsible in their use.
Are you really fucking stupid, or just a liar?
ran doesn't have the experience and with the religion thing, they might not have a stable, rational government either. I really can't tell.
Dude you are one fucked-up individual. Join the army.
There are literally thousands of nuclear 'accidents', ranging from thousands of tonnes of highly radioactive water leaking into the ground, to transport accidents, to thefts, to black market transactions by power plant workers, to yellow cake simply being left on the ground when mining is done. Then there's more sinister stuff like 'depleted uranium' weapons.
Maybe you don't feel this stuff is worthy of hysteria. If so, I put it to the universe that perhaps karma should demonstrate to you what radiation does to organic matter.
up until 1978, when the current bunch of crackpots took over
You moron. They liberated Iran from a US-backed puppet government. That's not exactly crack-pot stuff, unless you're a fucking dickhead, that is.
When viewed in the context of the period, the U.S. actions may have been a little shortsighted, but they're not as bald-facedly hypocritical as some people today like to make them seem.
I beg to differ. There are countless examples of the US supporting vicious dictators, only to turn around later and say, "Oops. Um. We never knew. Sorry. We'll fix things now by bombing the Christ out of the place". Take Saddam, Bin Laden, Pol Pot, Stalin, for example. The US did complete 180-degree turns on them all. The US empitamises ignorance, short-sightedness and hypocracy.
Enemy with a capital 'E,' that's E that rhymes with C and that stands for Communism
Yeah and what rhymes with 'fucking idiot'? Eh? Ponder it until you discover your true reality.
Exactly. What's so secret out the civilian, power-generating side of the nuclear fuel cycle anyway? Are the Yanks worried that the Iranians will... what... make a better, safer power plant? I don't see the problem. Maybe the company that allowed the download has a problem with it, but as for everyone else, this is a non-issue. I too am getting pretty tired of the constant beat of the war drums from the media. Clearly they are planning to attack, and as you say, this kind of 'reporting' softens people up for when it happens.
Yeah like MJ causes reefer madness and nicotine is good for your lungs. Spin.
I have no doubt that some people have used GHB to assist them in raping people. But let's not brand the drug based on what an incredibly small minority of people do with it. If we were to do that, then surely alcohol would be the No 1 'date rape drug'.
Chavez's victory in each election he's one has been quite clear cut, especially when compared to Emperor Dubya's so-called 'victories'. If you want to criticize sham elections, try looking closer to home.
This is just an idiotic election ploy. Clearly this isn't going to affect the distribution of radical Islamic material, nor should that be a valid goal. But for those who have fallen prey to the bullshit propaganda that goes with the 'war on terror', hoWARd's is seen to be much stronger than Rudd, so it's obvious that he'll be looking to beat his chest on the issue in an election year.
Just how many people have been prevented from downloading movies via P2P software with all the efforts of the DVD cartel? Not many. So how many will be prevented from getting access to this material that hoWARd deems to terrible for our eyes and ears? Most likely, none. There is, of course, the chance that some Muslims will be charged over distributing said material, again, because this is an election year. But is this going to prevent terrorism? Not at all.
The biggest factor in raising the threat of terrorism in Australia is not radical Islamic material, nor is it the lack of security, nor the lack of invasions of our privacy, nor the lack of attacks on our civil liberties. The biggest factor in raising the threat of terrorism in Australia is our foreign policy, and the degree to which Dubya's dick is being rammed up our collective arses in the name of democracy.
You license technology, sure. But you don't license an interface to a technology. So AMD may claim that they can't open-source such-and-such software that was developed by someone else, but it's ridiculous to claim that they can't release documentation on how to talk to hardware which may or may not have been developed elsewhere. No-one is asking AMD to open-source their driver; we're asking them to provide documentation necessary for the development of open-source drivers.
AMD / ATI have always had quite a negative attitude towards open-source. Their closed-source Radeon drivers lag behind the open-source drivers severely in features and stability, but AMD refuses to allow open-source developers access to information required to complete support for newer Radeons.
Intel, on the other hand, actively support the development of open-source drivers for their graphics chipsets. Indeed, just today, I noticed this announcement:
Announcing a new video driver called xf86-video-vermilion which provides basic 2D functionality using blits & fills for the Intel Vermilion Range chipsets.
Intel funded Tungsten Graphics to do this work. There's also an FBDev driver being submitted to the linux-kernel.
... which is a world of difference from what we expect from AMD. The last release from AMD managed to add... wait for it... a new control panel that looks like arse and adds precisely nothing of value. Previous releases have done things like remove support for current hardware, remove support for custom modelines, etc.
So to Linux users wanting to support the 'underdog'... forget it. Support the company that supports open-source software instead. Imagine what would happen to the performance and stability of your AMD system if AMD suddenly decided to stop playing ball with gcc developers, and instead release their own compiler. And yeah, I realise that Intel released their own icc compiler, but at least they continue to support gcc developers as well. But if you take AMD's stance towards open-source developers to its logical conclusion, you've got gcc that doesn't support AMD chips. Is that what we want?
f you don't like your job in the factory, quit, but you DON'T get a say in it.
Sure, that's how things happen at the moment. And look at the state of the world. If workers had a say ( or had THE say ), they would make decisions that were more responsible. They'd be far more inclined to consider things like sustainability, or protecting the environment, etc.
Start your own factory and hire people if you want to make the rules.
Sorry, but that's just bullshit. There are massive institutional barriers that prevent workers from becoming capitalists. Individual workers are lucky to pay off their family home by the time they retire. They are certainly in no position to 'start their own factory' as you put it. Otherwise they wouldn't be workers, would they?
Follow the laws, yes the owners have to do that,
Oh come ON! They MAKE the laws. And then break them. And buy their way out, or cop the 'fine' as a cost of doing business.
but make the workplace an all out democracy? Hell no.
Well that's very backwards of you. Most people in the world are fighting for democracy, you know. And democracy doesn't mean voting for one dickhead over another every couple of years. It means taking part in the decision-making process about what society does with it's resources, and how the end products are distributed.
It's nobody's 'right' to work anywhere.
Of course it is! People have a right to live, and living requires food & shelter. Food & shelter, in our society, are gained via work. So it follows that everyone has a right to work. It's very simple.
And certainly it's not up to the workers to create a workplace they 'like'.
What a load of trash! And what if workers unite and decide that this is exactly what they want to do?
You don't understand how radiation works. The strength of radiation is in an inverse / square relationship with distance. eg if you double the distance, the energy level of radiation is 1/4. So even increasing the distance a small amount has an incredible effect on the radiation levels hitting your brain.
You are fighting a lost battle.
God exists. Get over it.
Hehe. I'm fighting the losing battle, am I? Put down your bible and pay attention to physics.
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First, the army goes in and smashes everything up.
Then, so-called 'entrepreneurs' enter the country ( only those with US security clearance, mind you ), and 'reconstruct' the place, many using US taxpayer money. Of course there are many crimes to this process, but one major one is that this prevents Iraqis from being able to pull themselves out of the hell they got bombed into, as all the development is by foreigners, and therefore all the profits are exported. All the materials come from outside the country - there is no stimulation for the local economy, and meanwhile unemployment sits at 80%.
These 'entrepreneurs' deserve to be blown to pieces by a roadside bomb. They should get out of the country and allow the Iraqis to rebuild, on their own terms, with their own labour, using their own materials, and creating their own assets.
Then you are a racist, as the original poster. You are trying to claim that the US is more responsible with nuclear weapons, even though they are the only country to have ever used them in war. This position doesn't even require me to argue against it - it is fundamentally flawed in itself, and this flaw is obvious.
I 'buy' this argument, and a whole lot of other people do too. The proof is in the count:
US: 2 nuclear strikes
Iran: 0 nuclear strikes
Therefore the US is the more reckless. Not only that, they only claim to be. They have already stated that they consider it their right to use nuclear weapons to destroy a civilian nuclear power plant. This is the height of arrogance and recklessness. And you, being a supporter of US foreign policy, are far worse a racist religious fundamentalist than the people you are suggesting we attack.
The neighbouring states have done very little, yes, but look at the support that they have amongst ordinary people. Look at the solidarity that Hezbollah showed Palestinians in their recent conflict with Israel. Also on this point, keep in mind that Hezbollah is a Shiite organisation, and Palestine is mainly Sunni - this demonstrates that the bullshit propaganda we hear about sectarian violence in Iraq is mainly due to the tensions created by the US occupation ( if not black ops by the US / Israel from the start ).
You've just argued yourself into a corner there. You see, Israelis are not a race. Israel was never a nation. Israelis are Jews. You see the problem now? Let me explain further. 60 years ago, a bunch of violent religious fundamentalists
What the fuck? Are you talking about the attempted genocide of the Palestinian people? Or are you trying to claim that the Palestinians are attempting to commit genocide against the Israelis? If you are, then you seriously need to get some perspective. The number of Palestinians killed by Israel outnumbers the number of Israelis killed by Palestinians by at least 10 to 1. It always has. It's always been an incredibly one-sided battle, due to the fact that the Israelis are given BILLIONS of dollars of weapons ( including chemical weapons ) by the US, and the Palestinians only have rocks ( and sure, sometimes some improvised bombs ).
Palestine now only measures 10% of it's original size, thanks to Israel. What's your point?
Sure it can. Genocide is genocide, pure and simple. Get some perspective and stop supporting state terrorism.
Israel does a fine job of looking fucking atrocious without any help from the Palestinians. Their actions only draw media attention to their plight, which, by the way, is one of the main reasons they do it. Have you ever stopped to consider things from their point of view? I guess not, otherwise your position would be untenable.
That's a good question. While it's good that they provide some kind of military support ( suicide training, as you so carelessly put it ), they really could do a lot more. Unfortunately the big players in the middle east have traditionally evaded the issue as much as possible. Egypt is an old ally of the US ( another example of the US supporting brutal dictators, by the way ). At least Iran is now making positive sounding noises about Israel, but I severely doubt whether they'd actually initiate an attack. It's far more in their interests to draw Israel into a long, drawn-out battle that Israel can't win
The nuclear industry would consider this more of a leak than an exaggeration. And yes, thousands.
Well the tendancy to consider these accidents varies in inverse-square proportion to your distance from the location of the incident. Rest assured that people, animals, plants etc anywhere near these accidents will certainly call them accidents, while the people who caused the accidents will not report them, and if they're found out later, they'll refer to them as 'mishaps', or 'momentary lapses of total physical containment' or some such bullshit. But they're accidents, and they deal with pretty much the most dangerous substance we've managed to make.
Sure. Now what, exactly, is a 'small' amount? Who measured it? And who says that this stuff doesn't happen all the time? It is particularly naive to think that while every other company pollutes to the maximum, that companies involved with radioactive waste will somehow transcend their primal urge to profit at all costs and actually do the right thing. They'll do what every other corporation does: maximize profit. If that necessarily includes some kind of half-arsed containment for their waste, then so be it, and if it leaks, then cover it up and hand some money to the EPA and politicians.
I stand by everything I said, expletives included. Some people need to be jolted out of their bubble.
Oh Jesus fucking Christ, put away the violins PLEASE. There was slogan going around when the terrorist state of Israel was being created:
The Zionists were prepared to deny that the Palestinians even EXISTED to justify taking their country. The Palestinian Holocaust is far worse than the Jewish one. It's lasted for 60 years, and has been supported by practically the entire world. So if we're going to attack Holocaust deniers, let's start with the mother of all denials, shall we?
Sure. So what? I say the same thing of Israel. Zionists say the same thing about Palestinians
Oh, if only someone would, that would solve a lot of the problems in the middle east. But getting back to reality, Iran has neither the weapons nor the intention of launching a nuclear strike on anyone, and especially not Israel, due to the fact that they'd have the favour return rather quickly. You see, it takes a brain to figure this sort of thing out, so pay attention while I explain things for you, or you'll have to wait until you meet someone else with some intelligence.
You need to get over yourself, you redneck prick. A nuclear 'equipped' Iran is a far less dangerous prospect than a nuclear 'equipped' US or Israel.
If this actually happened, I would blame people like YOU first, for supporting Israel and their illegal nuclear arsenal for so long, and creating the problem.
It's sad that people actually believe this trash. Israel has ALWAYS been the aggressor, by virtue of the fact that they have sustained a brutal 60-year occupation of Palestine.
Are you really fucking stupid, or just a liar?
Dude you are one fucked-up individual. Join the army.
There are literally thousands of nuclear 'accidents', ranging from thousands of tonnes of highly radioactive water leaking into the ground, to transport accidents, to thefts, to black market transactions by power plant workers, to yellow cake simply being left on the ground when mining is done. Then there's more sinister stuff like 'depleted uranium' weapons.
Maybe you don't feel this stuff is worthy of hysteria. If so, I put it to the universe that perhaps karma should demonstrate to you what radiation does to organic matter.
You moron. They liberated Iran from a US-backed puppet government. That's not exactly crack-pot stuff, unless you're a fucking dickhead, that is.
I beg to differ. There are countless examples of the US supporting vicious dictators, only to turn around later and say, "Oops. Um. We never knew. Sorry. We'll fix things now by bombing the Christ out of the place". Take Saddam, Bin Laden, Pol Pot, Stalin, for example. The US did complete 180-degree turns on them all. The US empitamises ignorance, short-sightedness and hypocracy.
Yeah and what rhymes with 'fucking idiot'? Eh? Ponder it until you discover your true reality.
Exactly. What's so secret out the civilian, power-generating side of the nuclear fuel cycle anyway? Are the Yanks worried that the Iranians will ... what ... make a better, safer power plant? I don't see the problem. Maybe the company that allowed the download has a problem with it, but as for everyone else, this is a non-issue. I too am getting pretty tired of the constant beat of the war drums from the media. Clearly they are planning to attack, and as you say, this kind of 'reporting' softens people up for when it happens.
Yeah like MJ causes reefer madness and nicotine is good for your lungs. Spin.
I have no doubt that some people have used GHB to assist them in raping people. But let's not brand the drug based on what an incredibly small minority of people do with it. If we were to do that, then surely alcohol would be the No 1 'date rape drug'.
Chavez's victory in each election he's one has been quite clear cut, especially when compared to Emperor Dubya's so-called 'victories'. If you want to criticize sham elections, try looking closer to home.
Troll? Right. That's a pretty cowardly way of saying that you're a supporter of the war on terror. If only you had the linguistic talents to say so ...
This is just an idiotic election ploy. Clearly this isn't going to affect the distribution of radical Islamic material, nor should that be a valid goal. But for those who have fallen prey to the bullshit propaganda that goes with the 'war on terror', hoWARd's is seen to be much stronger than Rudd, so it's obvious that he'll be looking to beat his chest on the issue in an election year.
Just how many people have been prevented from downloading movies via P2P software with all the efforts of the DVD cartel? Not many. So how many will be prevented from getting access to this material that hoWARd deems to terrible for our eyes and ears? Most likely, none. There is, of course, the chance that some Muslims will be charged over distributing said material, again, because this is an election year. But is this going to prevent terrorism? Not at all.
The biggest factor in raising the threat of terrorism in Australia is not radical Islamic material, nor is it the lack of security, nor the lack of invasions of our privacy, nor the lack of attacks on our civil liberties. The biggest factor in raising the threat of terrorism in Australia is our foreign policy, and the degree to which Dubya's dick is being rammed up our collective arses in the name of democracy.
And like the US like to spread democracy ... And respects civil liberties ... And doesn't torture political prisoners ... And will one day say the world
...
Those in glass houses
My GOD! Someone who actually has a clue for once. You won't last long around here ...
You license technology, sure. But you don't license an interface to a technology. So AMD may claim that they can't open-source such-and-such software that was developed by someone else, but it's ridiculous to claim that they can't release documentation on how to talk to hardware which may or may not have been developed elsewhere. No-one is asking AMD to open-source their driver; we're asking them to provide documentation necessary for the development of open-source drivers.
Intel, on the other hand, actively support the development of open-source drivers for their graphics chipsets. Indeed, just today, I noticed this announcement:
So to Linux users wanting to support the 'underdog'
Sure, that's how things happen at the moment. And look at the state of the world. If workers had a say ( or had THE say ), they would make decisions that were more responsible. They'd be far more inclined to consider things like sustainability, or protecting the environment, etc.
Sorry, but that's just bullshit. There are massive institutional barriers that prevent workers from becoming capitalists. Individual workers are lucky to pay off their family home by the time they retire. They are certainly in no position to 'start their own factory' as you put it. Otherwise they wouldn't be workers, would they?
Oh come ON! They MAKE the laws. And then break them. And buy their way out, or cop the 'fine' as a cost of doing business.
Well that's very backwards of you. Most people in the world are fighting for democracy, you know. And democracy doesn't mean voting for one dickhead over another every couple of years. It means taking part in the decision-making process about what society does with it's resources, and how the end products are distributed.
Of course it is! People have a right to live, and living requires food & shelter. Food & shelter, in our society, are gained via work. So it follows that everyone has a right to work. It's very simple.
What a load of trash! And what if workers unite and decide that this is exactly what they want to do?
You don't get out much, do you? Or maybe you know better, and that's why you're posting this trash AC?
Factory workers? Surely you mean factory owners? The workers don't have any say in factory processes. They should, mind you.
Hehe. I'm fighting the losing battle, am I? Put down your bible and pay attention to physics.