Infection with the vaccine virus isolate induces long-term protective immunity but is not associated with clinically significant immunosuppression. Therefore, virus strain is an essential determinant of in vivo immune suppression, but the specific properties of MV important for this characteristic have not been defined.
Most of the article is WRT infection by the unweakened virus strain, not WRT the vaccine.
I agree with you, I just don't like the extremist arguments being floated around. They are false. While measles is sometimes severe, and sometimes dangerous, it usually isn't either. But it's bad enough to be considered a strong public health risk. Probably not as bad as reckless drivers, but bad.
Most people isn't all people. Several different groups of people have different bad effects ranging from mild to terminal. But for most people the only permanent (well, nearly permanent) effect is immunity to reinfection.
Your link was TL;DR, but the part that I did read did not contradict my assertion. (If I thought there was a serious chance I was wrong, I'd have read more carefully. As it is I only scanned a few paragraphs.)
One problem with this is a number of doctors who were falsely certifying that children shouldn't be vaccinated for medical reasons. You need to deal with that.
Where do you live that you aren't forced to have an ID? I live in the US. When I turned 16 I got a social security number, and when I turned 18 I was registered for the draft. (I wasn't drafted, but I was registered.) Earlier as a boy scout my fingerprints were sent to be registered with the FBI. These days infants are given social security numbers at birth keyed to (I think) their foot-prints, but possibly to their DNA. If not, that's coming soon.
Umnh...you think you have infinitely fast reaction time? That you can miraculously kill momentum without skid marks? Or what is the basis for your belief about highway speed limits?
P.S.: The autobahn has (had?) more serious accidents than other roads per mile driven. They were talking about imposing speed limits on it (in the interest of uniformity in traffic regulations across Europe). I don't know what decision they made/are making.
IIUC there is a problem with Dengue fever, in that there are multiple strains, a vaccine against one not only doesn't protect against a different one, it can make that strain considerably more deadly. And the immune system won't allow you to vaccinate against all of them.
OTOH, I'm not real certain of the name of the particular illness. And it was my understanding that it occurred in South America, not in the Philippines. Still, the effect is real, and at the time I read the article how to deal with it wasn't clear.
The federal funding to schools should be cut to zero. Also the federal control over schools. That should be entirely a state or local matter.
Part of the problem with schools is, indeed, underfunding, but centralized collection of funds and redistribution of them didn't do anything to improve matters. At all. And it allowed the feds to stick ridiculous testing requirements on top of the load. A common test once a year is reasonable. Twice a year is justifiable. Anything more frequent is onerously intrusive interference. But make the test through, not just a multiple choice test that can be passed without understanding the material. Yes, it's harder to evaluate the answers. Tough. That's the real world.
Also the schools I've encountered are top heavy with administration which is ineffective because of being hamstrung by rules imposed by on high.
Also, there's no reason a first grade teacher should be required to know calculus, or even algebra. They should be comfortable around simple integers and like to read and love children. Basic medical training is also advisable. Etc. etc.
Well, yes, now that you mention it. I should have my stats checked. But I had measles (two kinds) in the 1950's before there was a vaccine. OTOH, immunity does fade over time, and I don't really know the drop-off curve.
IIRC exemptions against paying taxes have been tried in the past. For awhile they were allowed if you didn't own any taxable property or have any monetary income, but that was eventually thrown out.
Most honest anti-vax people were opposed to vaccination before that ever came up due to many vaccines requiring blood as a culture medium. I'll agree that there may be a few honest anti-vax people for whom the cell culture was the deciding factor. (Apparently that argument gave the Pope trouble, even though he decided that vaccination was good.)
And that argument would, in any case, only apply to one (or a few?) vaccines, not all of them. IIUC the blood argument could honestly be applied to all of them. But those who do so are either kosher, vegetarians, or hypocrites.
For some people there is a religious issue due to the Bible saying something like blood is sacred, and only God can be a blood sucking monster. And so some people read that as saying anything built from blood is taboo, i.e. religiously forbidden. And there are those who honestly believe that and take it seriously. But I don't think you can count anyone who doesn't at minimum keep kosher, and probably insists on vegetarian cuisine. (Not vegan, that's a more extreme form whose roots I've never looked into.)
Well, and because the effects on males aren't as well known. I've read a study that there are deleterious effects, but I still don't remember what they were.
Also: It's important with HPV that you get vaccinated well before any exposure. Again, I don't remember the details about why, but it should be done well before the child is sexually active. IIRC 8 years old was being recommended. Perhaps it takes the immunity awhile to develop.
No. You overestimate the effectiveness of the vaccine. If everyone is vaccinated, then the disease will die because it can't spread effectively, but if several vaccinated people are exposed it's reasonably likely that more than one will come down with the disease. OTOH, their bodies will (usually) mount a stronger and quicker defense, so they're less likely to end up with neurological damage.
That said, measles isn't smallpox. Most people who catch it don't have any permanent aftereffects. (Do you feel lucky?)
Actually, only a small minority of kinds of mosquito target humans. And so far experiments haven't demonstrated ANY harm in totally removing mosquitoes from an eco-system. Now admittedly, all the tests have been on small islands.
My real question would be "What happens when they evolve to be resistant to this approach?", because one obvious possibility is that they don't only bite when they get hungry.
Well, I do prefer the indexing options available on the 1990 versions of MSWindows for the Macintosh...but when I switched to MSWindows 95 those options weren't available.
So while there are aspects of LibreOffice that I wish were better, the alternatives I've checked haven't been appealing.
That said, due to EULAs I haven't looked at any MS software since about 1998 or Apple software since about 2000. So it's possible they've improved things. I just really doubt it. It would be nice to have multiple separate indexes that had visible entry markers. (In the old Mac version of MSWord an index entry was indicated by an "invisible"(i.e. non-printing) ".i." at the beginning, and an invisible ";" at the end. They could have allowed multiple indexes by using ".i1." for the first, etc. Each one should be able to be given a title like, say, "Alphabetic Index", "Index by Date", "Index of Images", etc.
For that matter, in most versions of WordPerfect you could open a separate pane that would show markup versions of your document. Geany will let you do that using MarkDown code, but that's really ugly markup, and also isn't flexible enough for a word processor. It's nearly adequate for documentation, but not really. And it take so much space it makes the code unreadable. But when it's the text rather than the attached documentation that's being marked up, the trade-offs are different, and less readable markup is tolerable. (OTOH, too much markup makes even a word processor less useful. WYSIWYG was a big advance...but having selected minor elements, like index entries, but optionally visible is better than purist WYSIWYG.)
No. Many speaker designs aren't reversible. Only if ambient sound modifies the power supply, like it did in the old carbon mics.
But, or course, many things that don't appear to be microphones can operate as one. I'd be suspicious of any large touch screen, e.g. That could easily activate at a very low level from ambient noises in a way that would need to be carefully filtered out for normal use (as a touch screen). But if it's very massive, it would probably only pick up loud sounds, or only some particular wave lengths. (Think of the trick using a window pane as a resonator for a laser to read.)
Much more likely is actual microphones built into standard chips. They probably wouldn't be very high quality, but if you combine several sources you could probably process it into some reasonably good quality sound. The question is what would be the ostensible purpose of the various pieces. That seems hard to predict since new effects seem to become public every few months.
Then there's the question of "how difficult would it be to collect and process the data". Most sneaky approaches seem as if they would only work for selected targets. Mics built into consumer devices that just don't advertise themselves is a different category. Those, however, someone is likely to need to take the device apart to discover.
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From the linked article:
Infection with the vaccine virus isolate induces long-term protective immunity but is not associated with clinically significant immunosuppression. Therefore, virus strain is an essential determinant of in vivo immune suppression, but the specific properties of MV important for this characteristic have not been defined.
Most of the article is WRT infection by the unweakened virus strain, not WRT the vaccine.
OK, that sounds believable. I'll need to check that link more carefully. (I suspect it only lowers the immunity, but still....)
If you had said "It can be that nasty", I'd agree with you. But you said "is", and that's not usually true.
I agree with you, I just don't like the extremist arguments being floated around. They are false. While measles is sometimes severe, and sometimes dangerous, it usually isn't either. But it's bad enough to be considered a strong public health risk. Probably not as bad as reckless drivers, but bad.
Most people isn't all people. Several different groups of people have different bad effects ranging from mild to terminal. But for most people the only permanent (well, nearly permanent) effect is immunity to reinfection.
Your link was TL;DR, but the part that I did read did not contradict my assertion. (If I thought there was a serious chance I was wrong, I'd have read more carefully. As it is I only scanned a few paragraphs.)
You need a different name for that. When I heard "Elsagate" I though of the lioness from "Born Free", and how and why she died.
Evidence? If not, I'll consider you a troll.
One problem with this is a number of doctors who were falsely certifying that children shouldn't be vaccinated for medical reasons. You need to deal with that.
Where do you live that you aren't forced to have an ID? I live in the US. When I turned 16 I got a social security number, and when I turned 18 I was registered for the draft. (I wasn't drafted, but I was registered.) Earlier as a boy scout my fingerprints were sent to be registered with the FBI. These days infants are given social security numbers at birth keyed to (I think) their foot-prints, but possibly to their DNA. If not, that's coming soon.
Umnh...you think you have infinitely fast reaction time? That you can miraculously kill momentum without skid marks? Or what is the basis for your belief about highway speed limits?
P.S.: The autobahn has (had?) more serious accidents than other roads per mile driven. They were talking about imposing speed limits on it (in the interest of uniformity in traffic regulations across Europe). I don't know what decision they made/are making.
If you are talking about tetanus, then you've got a point. Measles isn't usually that deadly.
IIUC there is a problem with Dengue fever, in that there are multiple strains, a vaccine against one not only doesn't protect against a different one, it can make that strain considerably more deadly. And the immune system won't allow you to vaccinate against all of them.
OTOH, I'm not real certain of the name of the particular illness. And it was my understanding that it occurred in South America, not in the Philippines. Still, the effect is real, and at the time I read the article how to deal with it wasn't clear.
The federal funding to schools should be cut to zero. Also the federal control over schools. That should be entirely a state or local matter.
Part of the problem with schools is, indeed, underfunding, but centralized collection of funds and redistribution of them didn't do anything to improve matters. At all. And it allowed the feds to stick ridiculous testing requirements on top of the load. A common test once a year is reasonable. Twice a year is justifiable. Anything more frequent is onerously intrusive interference. But make the test through, not just a multiple choice test that can be passed without understanding the material. Yes, it's harder to evaluate the answers. Tough. That's the real world.
Also the schools I've encountered are top heavy with administration which is ineffective because of being hamstrung by rules imposed by on high.
Also, there's no reason a first grade teacher should be required to know calculus, or even algebra. They should be comfortable around simple integers and like to read and love children. Basic medical training is also advisable. Etc. etc.
Well, yes, now that you mention it. I should have my stats checked. But I had measles (two kinds) in the 1950's before there was a vaccine. OTOH, immunity does fade over time, and I don't really know the drop-off curve.
And then charge the parents for child-support...and enforce the collection.
IIRC exemptions against paying taxes have been tried in the past. For awhile they were allowed if you didn't own any taxable property or have any monetary income, but that was eventually thrown out.
Most honest anti-vax people were opposed to vaccination before that ever came up due to many vaccines requiring blood as a culture medium. I'll agree that there may be a few honest anti-vax people for whom the cell culture was the deciding factor. (Apparently that argument gave the Pope trouble, even though he decided that vaccination was good.)
And that argument would, in any case, only apply to one (or a few?) vaccines, not all of them. IIUC the blood argument could honestly be applied to all of them. But those who do so are either kosher, vegetarians, or hypocrites.
For some people there is a religious issue due to the Bible saying something like blood is sacred, and only God can be a blood sucking monster. And so some people read that as saying anything built from blood is taboo, i.e. religiously forbidden. And there are those who honestly believe that and take it seriously. But I don't think you can count anyone who doesn't at minimum keep kosher, and probably insists on vegetarian cuisine. (Not vegan, that's a more extreme form whose roots I've never looked into.)
Well, and because the effects on males aren't as well known. I've read a study that there are deleterious effects, but I still don't remember what they were.
Also: It's important with HPV that you get vaccinated well before any exposure. Again, I don't remember the details about why, but it should be done well before the child is sexually active. IIRC 8 years old was being recommended. Perhaps it takes the immunity awhile to develop.
No. You overestimate the effectiveness of the vaccine. If everyone is vaccinated, then the disease will die because it can't spread effectively, but if several vaccinated people are exposed it's reasonably likely that more than one will come down with the disease. OTOH, their bodies will (usually) mount a stronger and quicker defense, so they're less likely to end up with neurological damage.
That said, measles isn't smallpox. Most people who catch it don't have any permanent aftereffects. (Do you feel lucky?)
Yeah, but in this case the "performance" is collection of tips.
Actually, only a small minority of kinds of mosquito target humans. And so far experiments haven't demonstrated ANY harm in totally removing mosquitoes from an eco-system. Now admittedly, all the tests have been on small islands.
My real question would be "What happens when they evolve to be resistant to this approach?", because one obvious possibility is that they don't only bite when they get hungry.
Well, I do prefer the indexing options available on the 1990 versions of MSWindows for the Macintosh...but when I switched to MSWindows 95 those options weren't available.
So while there are aspects of LibreOffice that I wish were better, the alternatives I've checked haven't been appealing.
That said, due to EULAs I haven't looked at any MS software since about 1998 or Apple software since about 2000. So it's possible they've improved things. I just really doubt it. It would be nice to have multiple separate indexes that had visible entry markers. (In the old Mac version of MSWord an index entry was indicated by an "invisible"(i.e. non-printing) ".i." at the beginning, and an invisible ";" at the end. They could have allowed multiple indexes by using ".i1." for the first, etc. Each one should be able to be given a title like, say, "Alphabetic Index", "Index by Date", "Index of Images", etc.
For that matter, in most versions of WordPerfect you could open a separate pane that would show markup versions of your document. Geany will let you do that using MarkDown code, but that's really ugly markup, and also isn't flexible enough for a word processor. It's nearly adequate for documentation, but not really. And it take so much space it makes the code unreadable. But when it's the text rather than the attached documentation that's being marked up, the trade-offs are different, and less readable markup is tolerable. (OTOH, too much markup makes even a word processor less useful. WYSIWYG was a big advance...but having selected minor elements, like index entries, but optionally visible is better than purist WYSIWYG.)
And since this is only about one Nest product, you should trust the others.
Granted, the thermostat thing was sparked off by the Honeywell thread earlier, but why should you trust the Nest one?
No. Many speaker designs aren't reversible. Only if ambient sound modifies the power supply, like it did in the old carbon mics.
But, or course, many things that don't appear to be microphones can operate as one. I'd be suspicious of any large touch screen, e.g. That could easily activate at a very low level from ambient noises in a way that would need to be carefully filtered out for normal use (as a touch screen). But if it's very massive, it would probably only pick up loud sounds, or only some particular wave lengths. (Think of the trick using a window pane as a resonator for a laser to read.)
Much more likely is actual microphones built into standard chips. They probably wouldn't be very high quality, but if you combine several sources you could probably process it into some reasonably good quality sound. The question is what would be the ostensible purpose of the various pieces. That seems hard to predict since new effects seem to become public every few months.
Then there's the question of "how difficult would it be to collect and process the data". Most sneaky approaches seem as if they would only work for selected targets. Mics built into consumer devices that just don't advertise themselves is a different category. Those, however, someone is likely to need to take the device apart to discover.